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Garmon
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.01.07 21:24:00 -
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Hey guys, after I finish Garmonation 9 I'm planning on making a few very indepth guides, (they won't be about HG crystals and tengu links - I only do this when I am frapsing for movie) I want the guides to cater to every one, I'm sure there's something every one can learn, the best I can hope with these indepth guides is that they will inspire highsec dwellers into going to 0.0 and kick some ass
Main reason I'm making this thread is that I'd like to have some feedback on what they'd like to learn, and if you dont pvp, why exactly is that? Could I help? |
DreamTrooperX
Reloaded. The 99 Percent
22
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Posted - 2012.01.07 21:32:00 -
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The best thing for the people in highsec is to at least concider dipping their feet into low/null. It can be a bit scary, but the rewards are great. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
2724
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Posted - 2012.01.07 21:36:00 -
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The reality of numbrs that get thrown when fighting like how long would a certain kind of setup live for under this much 'dps' or if it could survive an alpha.
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
365
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Posted - 2012.01.07 21:47:00 -
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honestly? where to find targets and what to do when you can fight one... PVP every time i try is roam for hours with nothing to shoot.. or fly into gatecamp, die and w/e its just a small ship. |
Roxwar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.07 21:56:00 -
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As a new player trying to get myself into PVP combat, the first few things that spring to mind would be :-
1. How do you support yourself finacially to cover your losses, as from what ive learned upto now, PVP is certainly not a viable income generator.
2. How can i swing the odds in my favour in a 1v1 fight? I'm new and know im going to lose 99.9% of the time while learning due to skill point advantages my opponent has over me. Is that fixed in stone? Is it possible for someone like me to win over somebody who has more SP than i do.
3. Gate agression mechanics, i get them in a roundabout way, but having them in laymans terms would be a big help.
Rox |
Klown Walk
Ore Mongers
39
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Posted - 2012.01.07 21:59:00 -
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Some stuff I think people could use some help with: (me aswell)
Finding fights. Making the right decisions in a fight. Making isk to support pvping. Flying ships the right way. |
Avensys
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
82
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:02:00 -
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heat management - both in actual combat and considerations when fitting ships
dog-fighting - manual piloting, slingshotting, ... |
Jaa-Ko Arakal
Dogmatic Citizens NZAU Alliance
9
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:05:00 -
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Gonna have to go with finding fights as a solo player, most of the time I roam around and find nothing/things that way outclass my ship. Also recommended ships for a solo player. Can't wait to read a guide by the infamous garmon! keep up the good work. |
seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
67
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:12:00 -
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Garmon I think the best thing you could teach me would be cheap effective pvp, I think its why high sec dwellers mostly don't tap into pvp for fear of losing expensive ships as they think its the only way to pvp and actually get some kills, I know its something I'd like to improve myself, flying ruppies against drakes and actually winning (lol), maybe a video exclusively of t1 ships with t1 fits light get more noobies looking into pvp (unless you've done it already in which point me to the door :D) |
Yakumo Smith
The Forsakened Companions
17
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:17:00 -
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The best thing you could do for your guide is to explain what is going through your head.
Kil2 has been doing this on some of his You Tube video's and it's a great way to learn. It's all very easy to get the "book knowledge", but learning the thought process behind the actions people see on video's can take a lot longer.
For example "burning from gate to split the enemy gang", "decided to attack this chap as his mate on the gate alligned in the opposite direction si I figured I had an extra 15 seconds". This detail is often left out of pvp video's and all the watcher sees is the tackled ship with his friend on the gate without the understanding of how this came about and why it's important etc. |
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
223
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:24:00 -
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1. How do you fight a 20 man with logi support solo when your entire alliance suddenly decides to stay docked.
2. Whats your extraction plan when you are hotdropped by supers and you are already 4 fighting people
3. How do you get the Goons to fight without it being financially benifical to Mittans the mighty.
And anything else you think is useful Something Awful. A beacon for tearful, lonely neckbeards. |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
903
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:26:00 -
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How to avoid getting blobbed to hell and back when soloing without running a whole bunch of neutral scouting alts. morons- sting like a butterfly and-ápost like a bee. |
Bischopt
Ice Fire Warriors
54
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:42:00 -
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Yakumo Smith wrote:The best thing you could do for your guide is to explain what is going through your head.
Kil2 has been doing this on some of his You Tube video's and it's a great way to learn. It's all very easy to get the "book knowledge", but learning the thought process behind the actions people see on video's can take a lot longer.
For example "burning from gate to split the enemy gang", "decided to attack this chap as his mate on the gate alligned in the opposite direction si I figured I had an extra 15 seconds". This detail is often left out of pvp video's and all the watcher sees is the tackled ship with his friend on the gate without the understanding of how this came about and why it's important etc.
Yeah, this.
I actually had my own post which I forgot to save before the forums ate it. ::ccp:: too lazy to type it again. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
203
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:46:00 -
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I don't PVP as I'm a confirmed carebear
But things I think would be usefull to know as an outsider.
-The diffenent styles for group or solo PVP
-The diffence between low, null and wormhole space and how to operate effectively in each. Also perhaps how PVP relates to life in high sec (war decs and suicide ganking etc.)
-How a PVP build would differ from a PVE build
-Movement jamming and how it all works
-Capital ships there roles, strengths and weakneses
-Situaional tactical assesments
ie.
What to do if gatecamped
How to gatecamp
Combat at stations
Roaming and target assesment
What the smeg a 'hotdrop' is how to use or avoid them
POS's attack and defence of
Thats what I can think of of the top of my head, also if you need someone with no real knowledge of PvP to read drafts and give feedback for you I'd be happy to help.
Good luck and nice one, nice to see someone giving something back to EVE.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
302
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Posted - 2012.01.07 23:20:00 -
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Garmon wrote: and if you dont pvp, why exactly is that? Could I help?
Can never seem to find another 7 people to gang up on someone with. |
Mutnin
Mutineers
41
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Posted - 2012.01.07 23:28:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:How to avoid getting blobbed to hell and back when soloing without running a whole bunch of neutral scouting alts.
I think he enjoys getting blobbed to hell and back, at least that's what I think when I watch his vids.
As for what to teach people whom are new to PVP, I'd suggest basic & advanced game mechanics. Also maybe how to control the fights so it stays on your own terms.
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Radelix Cisko
The Adjustment Team
19
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Posted - 2012.01.07 23:31:00 -
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Best thing for me to learn is to take cheap but effective fits and where I can find 1v1. Though I think I am just gonna go to Frigfry Fridays for that.
Cheap effective fits would be useful though |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
903
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Posted - 2012.01.07 23:50:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:How to avoid getting blobbed to hell and back when soloing without running a whole bunch of neutral scouting alts. I think he enjoys getting blobbed to hell and back, at least that's what I think when I watch his vids. As for what to teach people whom are new to PVP, I'd suggest basic & advanced game mechanics. Also maybe how to control the fights so it stays on your own terms.
Heh - I remember you from being in the Minmatar militia about 3 years (?) back, as I had an alt in the area until about then.
You constantly complained about gangs not sending all their members home except one when encountering you back then (no offense intended).
But considering there are thousands of newb pvp guides outthere, I think Garmon should write some advanced stuff not everyone with a basic clue could cover.
I remember encountering him a couple of times in Metropolis/Bleak Lands/Devoid back then, yet he never engaged, regardless of our gangs not being any bigger than what he occasionally takes on in Garmonation.
I FCd small gangs occasionally, and I think I have a pretty good assessment of what my gang can take on and what it can't, yet I find it hard to determine what I can take solo. Sounds weird, I know, as at first glance, there seem to be less elements factoring in when soloing, but then again, i know my gangs capabilities and get an assessment of what the other gang has thanks to scouts, so I consider making the decision whether to engage or not a lot easier when being FC of a small gang than when being on my own.
So yeah - what I'd ask for is a guide on encounter assessment when soloing (and I mean real soloing). morons- sting like a butterfly and-ápost like a bee. |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
69
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Posted - 2012.01.07 23:59:00 -
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Garmon wrote:Hey guys, after I finish Garmonation 9 I'm planning on making a few very indepth guides, (they won't be about HG crystals and tengu links - I only do this when I am frapsing for movie) I want the guides to cater to every one, I'm sure there's something every one can learn, the best I can hope with these indepth guides is that they will inspire highsec dwellers into going to 0.0 and kick some ass
Main reason I'm making this thread is that I'd like to have some feedback on what they'd like to learn, and if you dont pvp, why exactly is that? Could I help?
How to avoid fights you don't want to be in.
Using the starmap to find areas that are camped to ****.
Directional scanner.
checking local.
Instas
Etc.
The first step in PVPing is not getting blobbed to death instantly. |
Forum Fighter
Internet Tough Guys
45
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Posted - 2012.01.08 00:03:00 -
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Garmon wrote:Hey guys, after I finish Garmonation 9 I'm planning on making a few very indepth guides, (they won't be about HG crystals and tengu links - I only do this when I am frapsing for movie) I want the guides to cater to every one, I'm sure there's something every one can learn, the best I can hope with these indepth guides is that they will inspire highsec dwellers into going to 0.0 and kick some ass
Main reason I'm making this thread is that I'd like to have some feedback on what they'd like to learn, and if you dont pvp, why exactly is that? Could I help?
First of all, the pipes to null are camped. So I would like some advice on how to get past a Lach, Huginn, Rapier, Curse gatecamp. Thanks. Bearer of the 1600mm Tinfoil HatGäó |
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
203
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:31:00 -
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Teach how to stop training gallente ships and start training minmitar, also teach me how to make pvp threads stop appearing in general discussion. Threads like this generally result in anything positive.
Locked. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1427
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:45:00 -
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Teach me how to give billions of isk to Mintchip and receive nothing in return. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Pinaculus
Insanely Twisted
129
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:47:00 -
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Finding fights. After an hour or two of roaming around and finding nothing you can't help but wonder if you're doing something drastically wrong.
And finding a mega-blob after 2 minutes gives the same feeling. But that's just obviously bad luck. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4298
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:49:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Teach me how to give billions of isk to Mintchip and receive nothing in return. 1. In any chat window, type in Tippia, highlight and auto-link it to a character (select the topmost in the list). 2. Right-click the link and choose GÇ£give moneyGÇ¥ GÇö enter a number in the billions (after making sure you have it available in your wallet) 3. If you don't hear from Mintchip, you will know it has worked. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Famble
Three's a Crowd
250
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:58:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Teach me how to give billions of isk to Mintchip and receive nothing in return. 1. In any chat window, type in Tippia, highlight and auto-link it to a character (select the topmost in the list). 2. Right-click the link and choose GÇ£give moneyGÇ¥ GÇö enter a number in the billions (after making sure you have it available in your wallet) 3. If you don't hear from Mintchip, you will know it has worked.
Confirming this works.
If anyone ever looks at you and says, "Hold my beer, watch this,"-á you're probably going to want to pay attention. |
Pyrosomniac
9 Dimensions WUT ALLIANCE
1
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:00:00 -
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Advice I'd like?
I guess I'd want 4 key topics, very important ones too.
1 ) Controlling your nerves. Seriously, I get the shakes from adrenaline pretty badly. My caffeine addiction doesn't help. A guide to keeping calm would be nice.
2 ) Good pvp practices, such as engagement protocols that will help tip things in your favour, even if only psychologically (tying back to number 1).
3 ) A leaders point of view. I'm considering training into Leadership, as fleet maneuvers, fleet management, and efficiency have started to interest me. I also wouldn't mind covering, again, the psychological aspects of leadership, from a fleets perspective. After all, nobody wants to die, even if it's inevitable, so making that transition from ship to pod to station instantly should never feel bad if the commander can smooth things out right?
4 ) Recovery of assets. Of course, don't fly what you can't afford to lose, but lose one too many ships and suddenly things can look very bad. A guide for making small sums of ISK rapidly (enough to dare going into null, to make more), to replace failed attempts and mend broken ego's and wallets because that EFT fit totally shouldn't have died that fast.
I'd guess that's it.
TL;DR: Write Sun Tzu's "The Art of War". |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
849
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:02:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Teach me how to give billions of isk to Mintchip and receive nothing in return. Don't stop believing. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) -áGÖÑ New Years Resolution ~ Cease thy Smacktalk GÖÑ |
Elessa Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:11:00 -
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Garmon wrote:I'd like to have some feedback on what they'd like to learn, and if you dont pvp, why exactly is that? Could I help?
How do you combat blobs (fleet of lets say 7 guys but about 20-30 ships) of multiboxing several year vets? Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been |
okst666
Not Solitude Again Chained Reactions
124
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:21:00 -
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Ok I have a question.
Lets pretend you have a highsec war. There are a few wartargets caved in a station. Lets say 2.
Yourself have a fleet up of maybe 5 people and camp that said station.
Every once in a while, one of the WTs undocks and we start shooting and the coward docks up again. how to prevent this?
Second hypothetical question....lets say that above fleet does not exist and you are on your own or maybe just with a friend...and a wt undocks, because it feels supeior...and then the unbelievable happens...it shoots back und you fight it for the sake of actually playing the game....and just when the Wartarget goes into armor, NINE neutral Battleships turn red in overview and start to remoterep. How do you fight this? [X] < Nail here for new monitor |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
497
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:25:00 -
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One thing I would like to "learn" is how to decide, on the fly, whether to try to out track the target close up or try to kite. Because I've found doing the wrong one = almost assured death.
I use pulse, so either can be done... |
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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
309
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:30:00 -
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My only advice to you is helping PROMOTE the underused FACTION WARFARE.
It's the best way to get people into pvp. Explain to them how cheap t1 hulls will help them understand the pvp mechanic and that training right away to a battleship when you are starting and losing it and then blaming CCP is the wrong way to do it. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
35
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Posted - 2012.01.08 04:36:00 -
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Bumped for important content. |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
415
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:14:00 -
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I think people want to know WHY and WHERE to go to low sec. I get the feeling that people feel it is too much trouble, so demystify it. Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.-áPeace out Zulu! Hope you land well! |
seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
67
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Posted - 2012.01.08 11:38:00 -
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Pyrosomniac wrote: 1 ) Controlling your nerves. Seriously, I get the shakes from adrenaline pretty badly. My caffeine addiction doesn't help. A guide to keeping calm would be nice.
This just comes with more and more pvp, first time I pvp'd was my Merlin against a Ritter at a planet in otou, nearly blacked out lol, but somehow I won with both of us in structure. Get a load of t1 frigates/destroyers/cruisers and go roaming lowsec, try and get one or two to engage you on gate, that way you start with gate gun advantage. Ruptures I've found are an excellent little damage dealer and put up somewhat of a good tank. |
Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries Tactical Invader Syndicate
632
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Posted - 2012.01.08 12:21:00 -
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Manual piloting. All those fancy maneuvers that keep you alive and your opponent down. I don't have too many pvp experiences, but what I have learned is that clicking "orbit at X" is most likely to kill you in pvp against skilled pilots. things to do in eve: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-SZYZLfZ7E&feature=g-like&context=G2d6d016ALTmOeXwACAA |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
205
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Posted - 2012.01.08 12:48:00 -
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Famble wrote:Tippia wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Teach me how to give billions of isk to Mintchip and receive nothing in return. 1. In any chat window, type in Tippia, highlight and auto-link it to a character (select the topmost in the list). 2. Right-click the link and choose GÇ£give moneyGÇ¥ GÇö enter a number in the billions (after making sure you have it available in your wallet) 3. If you don't hear from Mintchip, you will know it has worked. Confirming this works.
Worked for me, in fact Mintchip sent me a personal mail telling me how she liked the cut of my jib and invited me to join her corp.
All I need to do now is purchase several Billions worth of useless clothes from her (got to look good and reprezent you know) and pay an anti spying deposit ( A few more bil but then It'll be worth it). Then I'm in, me a Mintchipian , OMG I'm so excited, me ma would be so proud of me
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
309
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Posted - 2012.01.08 13:16:00 -
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1) How to effectively split up a blob when outnumbered. 2) Cheap, yet effective ships/setups. 3) Synergy between gangmembers. |
Liam Mirren
178
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Posted - 2012.01.08 13:33:00 -
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If anything; How falloff affects damage and how you can make use of this (range ammo, kiting etc) to take out ships that on paper have more dps/tank than you. Insights like that are a good way of explaining to newcomers how simple EFT stats don't necessarily mean anything, and realising that there's more to PVP than basic EHP and dps numbers is probably the best way to make them realise they can influence a fight and actively decide the outcome rather than it being "bad luck". If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
255
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Posted - 2012.01.08 13:48:00 -
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The main issue I have is PvP is draining, leaving me feeling horrid. Not something I want from a game. How do I prevent that from happening, other than total avoidance of PvP? The best explanation I have for why this happens is I do not get The Rush.
The Rush is a good felling one gets with and after a burst of adrenaline associated with an exciting experience, like PvP combat. Not everyone gets The Rush. Some get no pleasure from adrenaline, and some actually feel bad or sick from it. According to Dr. Drew Pinsky, the difference between these people is genetic. You are born to get The Rush, or you are not. The result is some players will not enjoy PvP and actively seek to avoid it. After all this is a game, people will tend to avoid game activities that make them sick.
But I also get the feeling that I would enjoy it if it was not for the above effect. What can I do to actually enjoy PvP? CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. Subscribers can never answer a question posed to CCP. Only CCP can. |
Bischopt
Ice Fire Warriors
54
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Posted - 2012.01.08 14:17:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:The main issue I have is PvP is draining, leaving me feeling horrid. Not something I want from a game. How do I prevent that from happening, other than total avoidance of PvP? The best explanation I have for why this happens is I do not get The Rush.
The Rush is a good felling one gets with and after a burst of adrenaline associated with an exciting experience, like PvP combat. Not everyone gets The Rush. Some get no pleasure from adrenaline, and some actually feel bad or sick from it. According to Dr. Drew Pinsky, the difference between these people is genetic. You are born to get The Rush, or you are not. The result is some players will not enjoy PvP and actively seek to avoid it. After all this is a game, people will tend to avoid game activities that make them sick.
But I also get the feeling that I would enjoy it if it was not for the above effect. What can I do to actually enjoy PvP?
You've tried solo pvp right? You could be like me. I dont get the rush from fleet engagements. Usually I get the the rush when I'm the underdog. When I'm attacking a brutix in a crusader or three rifters in a taranis.
Also, my corp once war decced eve uni. We usually had about 5 people in their home system and they were coming out of their stations in 30-50 man blobs with lots and lots of ecm. We used fast ships (interceptors, vagas etc.) to dance around the blob and pick off people who got too far from the main fleet. I wouldnt say I got the rush from that like I do from solo pvp but it was definitely fun.
As for controlling your nerves... I think you just need to get used to it. If your nerves arent preventing you from fighting properly it's just a good thing. I like having shaky hands when I'm doing something crazy. Just means the game is exciting. |
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Pinaculus
Insanely Twisted
130
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Posted - 2012.01.08 16:18:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:The main issue I have is PvP is draining, leaving me feeling horrid. Not something I want from a game. How do I prevent that from happening, other than total avoidance of PvP? The best explanation I have for why this happens is I do not get The Rush.
The Rush is a good felling one gets with and after a burst of adrenaline associated with an exciting experience, like PvP combat. Not everyone gets The Rush. Some get no pleasure from adrenaline, and some actually feel bad or sick from it. According to Dr. Drew Pinsky, the difference between these people is genetic. You are born to get The Rush, or you are not. The result is some players will not enjoy PvP and actively seek to avoid it. After all this is a game, people will tend to avoid game activities that make them sick.
But I also get the feeling that I would enjoy it if it was not for the above effect. What can I do to actually enjoy PvP?
The "buy 20 rifters" advice is designed specifically to get you over this.
I've spoken to several martial artists that admit to being rather bored in tournaments because they've already mentally fought most of their opponents in their heads. Not each individual person, mind you. They just have so much knowledge of the various fighting styles and how to respond to different strategies that winning and losing are almost an afterthought.
At this point most of them start doing goofy things in their spare time just to stay interested. One friend invented different "kung-fu" styles based on animals that he thought moved in interesting ways (e.g. Spider Monkies, Orangutans, etc.). It wasn't to be more effective. It was because he was bored to tears, but was still very skilled. Others started their own schools.
The EVE equivalent being "Fly Goofy Fits for LOLs" and "Teach Newbs to PVP."
I'm still in the "What button do I press now?" phase. It's possible I'll never progress beyond it, but it's fun seeing the explosions. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.01.08 16:20:00 -
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DreamTrooperX wrote:The best thing for the people in highsec is to at least concider dipping their feet into low/null. It can be a bit scary, but the rewards are great.
Translation: "Please bring your best fit ship to Low/Zero so we can pwn you as you pop through the gate."
Really, if you aren't a member of the Corp/Alliance that maintains the gatecamp on the other side or don't fly a Tengu, don't bother with the suicide run. Even if your cloaking skills are maxxed and you are experienced with blockade runners, a fast point or two will end your visit.
As for rewards? Unless you you are blue to the serf squads guarding their "massahs" moongoo, what rewards are we talking here? A ship replacement in return for guard duty? WOWEE! GEE! How thrilling. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ..... snore. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
405
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Posted - 2012.01.08 16:34:00 -
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Creating a site that tests peoples' aptitudes so that we can filter out the pilots before wasting time and ISK on them. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Pinaculus
Insanely Twisted
130
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Posted - 2012.01.08 16:34:00 -
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Ira Theos wrote:DreamTrooperX wrote:The best thing for the people in highsec is to at least concider dipping their feet into low/null. It can be a bit scary, but the rewards are great. Translation: "Please bring your best fit ship to Low/Zero so we can pwn you as you pop through the gate." Really, if you aren't a member of the Corp/Alliance that maintains the gatecamp on the other side or don't fly a Tengu, don't bother with the suicide run. Even if your cloaking skills are maxxed and you are experienced with blockade runners, a fast point or two will end your visit. As for rewards? Unless you you are blue to the serf squads guarding their "massahs" moongoo, what rewards are we talking here? A ship replacement in return for guard duty? WOWEE! GEE! How thrilling. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ..... snore.
So, in essence...don't go to low/null because you might get killed?
Isn't that sort of the point?
Getting into Low/Null is fairly trivial, tbh. Finding decent fights once you get there, and winning a few once you find them, has proven incredibly difficult. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
Selinate
569
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Posted - 2012.01.08 17:09:00 -
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A very nice thing to add in there would be a continuously updated list of corporations/alliances that are willing to train and teach new pilots how to PvP successfully. As it is now, with solo PvP being all but a completely futile pursuit, learning how to PvP in a fleet is absolutely essential, and possible solo PvP coming later.
That's how I think of it any how. You can make a guide on how to PvP but nothing beats plain old experience and someone helping you to get it, and a fleet to go out with you to do it while you learn the ropes. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
406
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Posted - 2012.01.08 17:10:00 -
[46] - Quote
How to:
Log onto the Test server to practise. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance Omega Vector
75
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Posted - 2012.01.08 17:27:00 -
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How to: Get past a gate that's camped to hell and back, without losing your ship, getting into repair bills, or being podded. Defend a PoS or ihub against 200 supercaps that just jumped in. Do anything at all in lowsec without having to be in the same corp as the local pirates. |
Avensys
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
84
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:11:00 -
[48] - Quote
Ira Theos wrote:Translation: "Please bring your best fit ship to Low/Zero so we can pwn you as you pop through the gate." or DreamTrooperX is just speaking from the experience of having recruited a lot of pilots - many of them new to EVE or long-time high-sec dwellers - and taking them into NPC 0.0 all in a very short amount of time.
... while being constantly starved for carriers/jumpfreighters which means most people have/had to bring in their first few ships through one of the two pipes leading from high-sec into the Great Wildlands.
7Q- is firmly in the grip of EBOLA, camps in B-VIP are usually more random and smaller - both entries are camped more often than not and are almost guaranteed to have drag bubbles set up at the gates. If you look at the killboards you'll quickly see that we generally do the dieing not the killing at these chokepoints^^
Ira Theos wrote:Really, if you aren't a member of the Corp/Alliance that maintains the gatecamp on the other side or don't fly a Tengu, don't bother with the suicide run. how come you didn't know about that camp?
did you ignore their scout on the empire site of the gate? did you forget to check starmap for pilots in space? what about giving the system a brief look at eve-kill? don't you have any friends/alts who could scout for you?
I know that getting into 0.0 can seem almost impossible if you only can play during prime-time (in contrast it can be trivially easy if you can make the run after US TZ logs off and before the Russians log on). But you have to remember that the camps are only 1-2 systems deep and that after that your way will most likely be clear (apart from occasional roams, random travellers and ratters).
If you can't avoid the camp your number one weapon is a cloak (which you need for MWD & cloak anyways) and patience. Maybe the campers will do a short roam, maybe another gang will try to bust the camp, maybe there are only a few campers and a much more juicy target than you shows up (most will be slow to react to you while they are busy shooting sth shiny), ... Please believe me that I have done really stupid runs in poorly suited ships and that if you have the patience to hold for 30-90 minutes there will almost always be an opening that gives you a fighting chance at getting through unharmed (if not, log off, do something more fun IRL and try again next day).
Ira Theos wrote:Even if your cloaking skills are maxxed and you are experienced with blockade runners, a fast point or two will end your visit. so you will only be safe 95% of the time when running a gatecamp in your Crane, big deal.
Can only speak for myself but I lose my cloaky ships to poor decision making and mistakes in execution far more often than to bad luck.
Ira Theos wrote:As for rewards? Unless you you are blue to the serf squads guarding their "massahs" moongoo, what rewards are we talking here? A ship replacement in return for guard duty? WOWEE! GEE! How thrilling. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ..... snore. We have neither ship replacements nor guard duty Don't have any nice moons either...
How about access to pvp (without having to worry about sec status or gate guns)? How about easy sources of income that enable you to replace your losses - missions, exploration, CAs, plain ratting, mining sites, markets waiting to be tapped, ... How about making new friends both inside your alliance/corp and with other corps that you happen to come across? How about building a really awesome sandcastle and taking a few photographs before it gets swept away by the waves? |
Ocih
Space Mermaids
37
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:16:00 -
[49] - Quote
Sorry OP, looking at the few replies I saw, unless you can unlearn what people found out about Null and low sec your effort is with not.
EVE is circumstantial evidence and unless you are O.J. it means someone else got away with it. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
255
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:53:00 -
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Bischopt wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:The main issue I have is PvP is draining, leaving me feeling horrid. Not something I want from a game. How do I prevent that from happening, other than total avoidance of PvP? The best explanation I have for why this happens is I do not get The Rush.
The Rush is a good felling one gets with and after a burst of adrenaline associated with an exciting experience, like PvP combat. Not everyone gets The Rush. Some get no pleasure from adrenaline, and some actually feel bad or sick from it. According to Dr. Drew Pinsky, the difference between these people is genetic. You are born to get The Rush, or you are not. The result is some players will not enjoy PvP and actively seek to avoid it. After all this is a game, people will tend to avoid game activities that make them sick.
But I also get the feeling that I would enjoy it if it was not for the above effect. What can I do to actually enjoy PvP? You've tried solo pvp right? You could be like me. I dont get the rush from fleet engagements. Usually I get the the rush when I'm the underdog. When I'm attacking a brutix in a crusader or three rifters in a taranis. Also, my corp once war decced eve uni. We usually had about 5 people in their home system and they were coming out of their stations in 30-50 man blobs with lots and lots of ecm. We used fast ships (interceptors, vagas etc.) to dance around the blob and pick off people who got too far from the main fleet. I wouldnt say I got the rush from that like I do from solo pvp but it was definitely fun. As for controlling your nerves... I think you just need to get used to it. If your nerves arent preventing you from fighting properly it's just a good thing. I like having shaky hands when I'm doing something crazy. Just means the game is exciting.
I've been solo, in small fleets and even in e-uni big blobs. Also in-corp frig free for alls. In one of those blobs I got on the KM for 2 carriers (not with this pilot). In all cases, the stress and adrenaline has left me feeling so bad that for the next day or two I wonder if I should just stop playing, even when I'm on the winning side. Also, it seems to get worse every time I touch PvP, sort of the reverse of getting use to it. It sure is not the fear of isk loss, I'm a multi-billionare. I'm at a loss as to what to do, other than total avoidance of all PvP combat.
I get the feeling that others are the same way, and its why we got so many high sec/npc corp huggers. CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. Subscribers can never answer a question posed to CCP. Only CCP can. |
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Ocih
Space Mermaids
37
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:58:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote: I've been solo, in small fleets and even in e-uni big blobs. Also in-corp frig free for alls. In one of those blobs I got on the KM for 2 carriers (not with this pilot). In all cases, the stress and adrenaline has left me feeling so bad that for the next day or two I wonder if I should just stop playing, even when I'm on the winning side. Also, it seems to get worse every time I touch PvP, sort of the reverse of getting use to it. It sure is not the fear of isk loss, I'm a multi-billionare. I'm at a loss as to what to do, other than total avoidance of all PvP combat.
I get the feeling that others are the same way, and its why we got so many high sec/npc corp huggers.
You fit the norm. Most people don't enjoy blowing other peoples stuff up any more than they enjoy watching thier own get popped. For most people, it's just not all it's cracked up to be.
"We don't belong in EVE".
Where things come apart is, if everyone who "didn't belong in EVE" just left, the game would close down. For the true PvP rush crew and I don't judge them but they have a weakness. The temptation is just too great to prey on easy targets.
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Pierre D'Compton
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.08 19:12:00 -
[52] - Quote
Avensys wrote:Ira Theos wrote:Translation: "Please bring your best fit ship to Low/Zero so we can pwn you as you pop through the gate." or DreamTrooperX is just speaking from the experience of having recruited a lot of pilots - many of them new to EVE or long-time high-sec dwellers - and taking them into NPC 0.0 all in a very short amount of time. ... while being constantly starved for carriers/jumpfreighters which means most people have/had to bring in their first few ships through one of the two pipes leading from high-sec into the Great Wildlands. 7Q- is firmly in the grip of EBOLA, camps in B-VIP are usually more random and smaller - both entries are camped more often than not and are almost guaranteed to have drag bubbles set up at the gates. If you look at the killboards you'll quickly see that we generally do the dieing not the killing at these chokepoints^^ Ira Theos wrote:Really, if you aren't a member of the Corp/Alliance that maintains the gatecamp on the other side or don't fly a Tengu, don't bother with the suicide run. how come you didn't know about that camp? did you ignore their scout on the empire site of the gate? did you forget to check starmap for pilots in space? what about giving the system a brief look at eve-kill? don't you have any friends/alts who could scout for you? I know that getting into 0.0 can seem almost impossible if you only can play during prime-time (in contrast it can be trivially easy if you can make the run after US TZ logs off and before the Russians log on). But you have to remember that the camps are only 1-2 systems deep and that after that your way will most likely be clear (apart from occasional roams, random travellers and ratters). If you can't avoid the camp your number one weapon is a cloak (which you need for MWD & cloak anyways) and patience. Maybe the campers will do a short roam, maybe another gang will try to bust the camp, maybe there are only a few campers and a much more juicy target than you shows up (most will be slow to react to you while they are busy shooting sth shiny), ... Please believe me that I have done really stupid runs in poorly suited ships and that if you have the patience to hold for 30-90 minutes there will almost always be an opening that gives you a fighting chance at getting through unharmed (if not, log off, do something more fun IRL and try again next day). Ira Theos wrote:Even if your cloaking skills are maxxed and you are experienced with blockade runners, a fast point or two will end your visit. so you will only be safe 95% of the time when running a gatecamp in your Crane, big deal. Can only speak for myself but I lose my cloaky ships to poor decision making and mistakes in execution far more often than to bad luck. Ira Theos wrote:As for rewards? Unless you you are blue to the serf squads guarding their "massahs" moongoo, what rewards are we talking here? A ship replacement in return for guard duty? WOWEE! GEE! How thrilling. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ..... snore. We have neither ship replacements nor guard duty Don't have any nice moons either... How about access to pvp (without having to worry about sec status or gate guns)? How about easy sources of income that enable you to replace your losses - missions, exploration, CAs, plain ratting, mining sites, markets waiting to be tapped, ... How about making new friends both inside your alliance/corp and with other corps that you happen to come across? How about building a really awesome sandcastle and taking a few photographs before it gets swept away by the waves?
Guy speaks the truth.
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Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2012.01.09 01:18:00 -
[53] - Quote
Pinaculus wrote:Ira Theos wrote:DreamTrooperX wrote:The best thing for the people in highsec is to at least concider dipping their feet into low/null. It can be a bit scary, but the rewards are great. Translation: "Please bring your best fit ship to Low/Zero so we can pwn you as you pop through the gate." Really, if you aren't a member of the Corp/Alliance that maintains the gatecamp on the other side or don't fly a Tengu, don't bother with the suicide run. Even if your cloaking skills are maxxed and you are experienced with blockade runners, a fast point or two will end your visit. As for rewards? Unless you you are blue to the serf squads guarding their "massahs" moongoo, what rewards are we talking here? A ship replacement in return for guard duty? WOWEE! GEE! How thrilling. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ..... snore. So, in essence...don't go to low/null because you might get killed? Isn't that sort of the point? Getting into Low/Null is fairly trivial, tbh. Finding decent fights once you get there, and winning a few once you find them, has proven incredibly difficult.
No, Pinaculus, getting killed is not generally the point. Getting into Zero is easy, surviving in Zero is the trick. All I said was that jumping blindly into Zero without having a lot of blues on the Zero side will get you killed (unless you are SP rich enough to fly Tengus) even a well skilled blockade runner can get nailed by fast ships and points.
Now as for the rewards, there are few even if you are a member of the dog pack for RMT farm because the gravy of the farm doesn't run down as far as the rank and file. (And don't say "free ships", because that amounts to peanuts tossed to the monkeys.) |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2012.01.09 01:41:00 -
[54] - Quote
Avensys wrote:Ira Theos wrote:Translation: "Please bring your best fit ship to Low/Zero so we can pwn you as you pop through the gate." or DreamTrooperX is just speaking from the experience of having recruited a lot of pilots - many of them new to EVE or long-time high-sec dwellers - and taking them into NPC 0.0 all in a very short amount of time. ... while being constantly starved for carriers/jumpfreighters which means most people have/had to bring in their first few ships through one of the two pipes leading from high-sec into the Great Wildlands. 7Q- is firmly in the grip of EBOLA, camps in B-VIP are usually more random and smaller - both entries are camped more often than not and are almost guaranteed to have drag bubbles set up at the gates. If you look at the killboards you'll quickly see that we generally do the dieing not the killing at these chokepoints^^ Ira Theos wrote:Really, if you aren't a member of the Corp/Alliance that maintains the gatecamp on the other side or don't fly a Tengu, don't bother with the suicide run. how come you didn't know about that camp? did you ignore their scout on the empire site of the gate? did you forget to check starmap for pilots in space? what about giving the system a brief look at eve-kill? don't you have any friends/alts who could scout for you? I know that getting into 0.0 can seem almost impossible if you only can play during prime-time (in contrast it can be trivially easy if you can make the run after US TZ logs off and before the Russians log on). But you have to remember that the camps are only 1-2 systems deep and that after that your way will most likely be clear (apart from occasional roams, random travellers and ratters). If you can't avoid the camp your number one weapon is a cloak (which you need for MWD & cloak anyways) and patience. Maybe the campers will do a short roam, maybe another gang will try to bust the camp, maybe there are only a few campers and a much more juicy target than you shows up (most will be slow to react to you while they are busy shooting sth shiny), ... Please believe me that I have done really stupid runs in poorly suited ships and that if you have the patience to hold for 30-90 minutes there will almost always be an opening that gives you a fighting chance at getting through unharmed (if not, log off, do something more fun IRL and try again next day). Ira Theos wrote:Even if your cloaking skills are maxxed and you are experienced with blockade runners, a fast point or two will end your visit. so you will only be safe 95% of the time when running a gatecamp in your Crane, big deal. Can only speak for myself but I lose my cloaky ships to poor decision making and mistakes in execution far more often than to bad luck. Ira Theos wrote:As for rewards? Unless you you are blue to the serf squads guarding their "massahs" moongoo, what rewards are we talking here? A ship replacement in return for guard duty? WOWEE! GEE! How thrilling. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ..... snore. We have neither ship replacements nor guard duty Don't have any nice moons either... How about access to pvp (without having to worry about sec status or gate guns)? How about easy sources of income that enable you to replace your losses - missions, exploration, CAs, plain ratting, mining sites, markets waiting to be tapped, ... How about making new friends both inside your alliance/corp and with other corps that you happen to come across? How about building a really awesome sandcastle and taking a few photographs before it gets swept away by the waves? You assume too much... I spend most of my time in NPC Zero and most of the things you listed at the end as rewards are dubious at best (notice I was kind and didn't say "BS".)
But let's consider some of what you said about rewards, line by line.
"How about access to pvp (without having to worry about sec status or gate guns)?" * If that is a "reward" for you, you work CHEAP.
"How about easy sources of income that enable you to replace your losses - missions, exploration, CAs, plain ratting, mining sites, markets waiting to be tapped, ..." * This is a fallacy since you won't have time to tap them while doing your "guard duty" for the Man. Besides, you're there for the PvP, right? and the Man will require that you be doing just that or you're out.
"How about making new friends both inside your alliance/corp and with other corps that you happen to come across?" * You need a an RMT Farm "Massah" to do this?
"How about building a really awesome sandcastle and taking a few photographs before it gets swept away by the waves?" * First of all YOU don't own squat in the Zero Farm, YOU are a DOG in the PACK, so YOU don't build squat. Secondly, Yes whatever your CORP builds, it will likely get swept away unless your PACK is larger than the neighboring animals. That somehow seems pointless on both counts, because YOU haven't really accomplished anything.
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Liam Mirren
178
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Posted - 2012.01.09 01:43:00 -
[55] - Quote
Ira Theos wrote:No, Pinaculus, getting killed is not generally the point. Getting into Zero is easy, surviving in Zero is the trick. All I said was that jumping blindly into Zero without having a lot of blues on the Zero side will get you killed (unless you are SP rich enough to fly Tengus) even a well skilled blockade runner can get nailed by fast ships and points
You're very much whining tbh. Also, what's wrong with having a bunch of friends fly cheapo T1 cruisers and just see how far you can get. Who CARES if you lose an insured T1 cruiser and get podded without implants. What other ppl are trying to convey is the "stop being scared of dying and suddenly the game becomes more fun", that doesn't translate to "dying is good" but more a "if you stop flying expensive **** and aim to have fun you'll.... have fun".
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
197
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Posted - 2012.01.09 02:28:00 -
[56] - Quote
I don't PvP 'cause I'm 56 years old and have spent half a century playing shoot 'em up. At my age, an adrenalin rush makes you nauseus. From all that experience, chess is the only true PvP game anyway. HOWEVER (big "however",) it seems the idea of countering the crutches of webbing and scramming figure prominenty in any guide. That'd be my suggestion.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1437
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Posted - 2012.01.09 03:26:00 -
[57] - Quote
Ira Theos wrote:No, Pinaculus, getting killed is not generally the point. Getting into Zero is easy, surviving in Zero is the trick. All I said was that jumping blindly into Zero without having a lot of blues on the Zero side will get you killed (unless you are SP rich enough to fly Tengus) Confirming that Tengus are completely invulnerable in nullsec.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
39
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Posted - 2012.01.09 03:30:00 -
[58] - Quote
Is it possible to survive landing in a bubbled gate camp of 70+ ships when flying a MWD Jaguar? ..or anything for that matter? if so, how?
That would be on top of my list.
edit: That's jumping through the gate into the previously unknown camp btw. |
Suitonia
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
42
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Posted - 2012.01.09 07:00:00 -
[59] - Quote
Skorpynekomimi wrote:How to: Get past a gate that's camped to hell and back, without losing your ship, getting into repair bills, or being podded. Defend a PoS or ihub against 200 supercaps that just jumped in. Do anything at all in lowsec without having to be in the same corp as the local pirates.
The best chance to make it back to the gate or to escape is to do the following.
First of all it's important to understand the session change mechanic and your invulnerability timer. When you jump into a new system, your ship will start a 30 second session change timer during this time, you cannot change systems, therefore its pointless to try and go back to the gate at this time, many people don't understand this mechanic, and it's not like the game has a manual or even itself mentions this at any point, so it's one of those things you either learn from someone else or you die a lot PvPing like me to find out. You can enable the session change timer on the general settings section of the game menu. It will be a spinning icon that appears in the top left corner, when you mouse over it'll tell you how many seconds left before it disappears. It's very easy when you're inexperienced to panic when you see a big gate camp and burn to the gate only to find out you still have your session change timer, bounce of the gate and die horribly. Relax, take your time, you have 60 seconds (30 seconds after the session change timer) where you will be in an invulnerable cloaked state and can plan out and assess what is the best course of action. The only time I recommend leaving before the session change timer is up is if you know there are more guys landing soon on the gate which will make burning off the gate impossible.
So, you have 60 seconds to plan before you must take an action. This is my thought process when I jump into a gate-camp. - Can I just warp? If I'm in an interceptor or a small frigate, and they don't have a bubble/hic, sometimes I can just warp out. look at the enemy ships, do they have any sensor boosters or remote sensor boosting effects? do they have fast tackle like an interceptor? - Can I just burn away? If my ship is faster than the enemy ships camping, then chances are, I can just burn out of the bubble/hic range, and their point ranges, and just warp out. This is obviously not an option if you see 3 arty canes with sensor boosters, but if you jump into something like onyx/3x drake/malediction/hurricane then it would be fairly easy to get out by mwding away, if your ship is fast enough. You should think about 3 things really. - Can I outrun the enemy ships, or, can I outrun their point range before their long range tackle would be able to get on to me, would I be able to drag the long range tackle out of the DPS/Influence spheres of the other ships so I can kill the long range tackle, or force it off me and escape? - What is the range of the enemies tackle. Take special note of Lachesis/Huginn/Curse (And arazu/rapier). As these will make long range escapes much more difficult. - Can I survive long enough to escape. Again, if they have arty canes (or any other high damage but low tracking weapon), burning away could be a very bad mistake if you can't outrun their tackle before escaping their damage spheres. - Another thing to watch out for is the Skirmish Gang Links, they'll increase the tackle range of all ships as well as their speed and agility. Look out for Claymore/Loki's on grid with a sensor booster like effect. You can also try the directional scanner if it's close by. If they catch you on a burn out and you suspect links, it's a good idea to make a note of the pilots involved for the future.
If the above options are not available, then going back to the gate is your best option. Remember to wait out the session change before going back. I would recommend putting the gate you're on, onto your selected items window, and then approach, overload your mwd, and spam the jump button. (its much better than trying to right click the gate which takes much longer and is more clunky)
If enemy ships follow you onto the other side, or there are already hostile ships the other-side, repeat this. Often the ships on the other side will be thinner than the ones on this side. You might even be able to get a kill on this side while the bulk of hostile ships are still agressed on the other-side. You can also wait out your cloak and see where the other ship decloaks. On some bigger stargates the enemy ship(s) can spawn outside of scram/point range of you, and you may be able to just warp.
Unfortunately, there is no full-proof method of running a camp. Some camps (particulary remote sensorboosted camps with 90% webs and high damage weapons) are impossible to escape from. Fortunately they are quite rare or are often very niche and will run from just about anything that isn't a solo player since they will die against most small gangs, even with less ships than them. This is the best tactics you can use to ensure you have the best possible chance of running a camp.
Also, review what you're flying/pvping in. A drake is going to die jumping into a decent gatecamp, but solo interceptors have a very low chance of death. Your choice of ship makes a big impact on what is a certain death camp or just a small repair bill. MWD is obviously one of the best tools to help you getting back to that gate or getting out. Cloaking Devices can help you pull of the cloak+mwd trick to escape completely if there is no bubble. They can also help you get closer to the gate intially, MWD+cloak approaching the gate can easily get you 4-5km closer to the gate before the enemy is able to decloak you with their fast tacklers, even longer if they aren't paying attention or don't have any fast ships. Obviously any thing that makes your ship more agile/faster is going to help you make it back to the gate in more circumstances, or warp before being targeted. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
40
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Posted - 2012.01.09 07:13:00 -
[60] - Quote
That's a pretty thorough, in-depth response. Maybe not for my question, but the answer is the same. |
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Suitonia
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
43
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Posted - 2012.01.09 07:20:00 -
[61] - Quote
okst666 wrote:Ok I have a question.
Lets pretend you have a highsec war. There are a few wartargets caved in a station. Lets say 2.
Yourself have a fleet up of maybe 5 people and camp that said station.
Every once in a while, one of the WTs undocks and we start shooting and the coward docks up again. how to prevent this?
Second hypothetical question....lets say that above fleet does not exist and you are on your own or maybe just with a friend...and a wt undocks, because it feels supeior...and then the unbelievable happens...it shoots back und you fight it for the sake of actually playing the game....and just when the Wartarget goes into armor, NINE neutral Battleships turn red in overview and start to remoterep. How do you fight this?
By not taking part in high-sec station PvP |
Jenshae Chiroptera
410
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Posted - 2012.01.10 02:40:00 -
[62] - Quote
Suitonia wrote:... By not taking part in high-sec station PvP
Stations can be fine depending on who and how. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Suitonia
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
43
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Posted - 2012.01.14 18:46:00 -
[63] - Quote
Yes, but there is no inherent way of dealing with neutral remote repairers, or people unwillingly to fight on station undocks. Sure, there probably are people who actually fight, and don't use remote repair, but those are few and far between. But that doesn't have anything to do with the question he asked, and I'm sorry if my rather blunt answer rubbed you the wrong way. There is no real way to protect yourself from your opponent doing it, neutral logistics are almost invulnerable on high-sec stations, and there is nothing you can really do to stop an opponent from using them.
There are a few niche tactics like bumping your opponent off the undock etc. But very hard to pull this off effectively. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
834
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Posted - 2012.01.14 19:02:00 -
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Roxwar wrote:As a new player trying to get myself into PVP combat, the first few things that spring to mind would be :-
1. How do you support yourself finacially to cover your losses, as from what ive learned upto now, PVP is certainly not a viable income generator.
2. How can i swing the odds in my favour in a 1v1 fight? I'm new and know im going to lose 99.9% of the time while learning due to skill point advantages my opponent has over me. Is that fixed in stone? Is it possible for someone like me to win over somebody who has more SP than i do.
3. Gate agression mechanics, i get them in a roundabout way, but having them in laymans terms would be a big help.
Rox
1. incursions, PI, ratting to a lesser degree, salvage, looting
2. not usually, best option is to forget about 1v1 altogether until you have a decent set of skills or know for a fact you can own the other guy. Get in a pvp corp and scout/bait or take a couple potshots on the primary and run like hell, you still get on the KM
3. if you agress on the gate you can't jump until you stop agressing and your timer runs out, same with a station. if you land on a gate and someone is there either they are solo or they will attempt to push you through to the fleet on the other side by agressing you, or they are deciding how much of a threat you are. Nothing matters until someone redboxes, if he does you can jump through into the unknown or attempt to burn out of point range and warp away, if you do you will either force him to jump or all his buddies on the other side will pile and kill you. That said, bookmarks can make that a non issue and give you the advantage of intel
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Killdu
New Eden Renegades
0
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Posted - 2012.02.23 18:04:00 -
[65] - Quote
I think the main thing EVERYONE can learn from you is: What fights to choose in more common ships! aka BCs, cheap HACs (like your t2 ishtar or maybe even a vaga), BSs, and frigates. I think it would also help if you talked about navigation and range control. I just hope this won't result in thousands of mini-garmons. lol That might get sticky. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
734
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Posted - 2012.02.23 18:25:00 -
[66] - Quote
Garmon wrote:
Main reason I'm making this thread is that I'd like to have some feedback on what they'd like to learn, and if you dont pvp, why exactly is that? Could I help?
The best thing you can teach new players wanting to get into PVP is that ships are tools to be thrown away.
In my opinion, getting that through their heads is the biggest hurdle in the game for new players. Once you get over it, everything else falls into place.
So do a video compilation of you losing ship after ship and laughing it off.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
66
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Posted - 2012.02.23 21:29:00 -
[67] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:The main issue I have is PvP is draining, leaving me feeling horrid. Not something I want from a game. How do I prevent that from happening, other than total avoidance of PvP? The best explanation I have for why this happens is I do not get The Rush.
The Rush is a good felling one gets with and after a burst of adrenaline associated with an exciting experience, like PvP combat. Not everyone gets The Rush. Some get no pleasure from adrenaline, and some actually feel bad or sick from it. According to Dr. Drew Pinsky, the difference between these people is genetic. You are born to get The Rush, or you are not. The result is some players will not enjoy PvP and actively seek to avoid it. After all this is a game, people will tend to avoid game activities that make them sick.
But I also get the feeling that I would enjoy it if it was not for the above effect. What can I do to actually enjoy PvP?
The short answer is: don't let yourself feel that rush fully. The farther toward "homg adrenaline wheeeeee" the pendulum of neuro-chemical responses of the human body swings, the farther it will swing the other way, leaving you feeling godawful. This is true of a great many things, learning to achieve a more or less stable state is not easy, but very beneficial. You're right, it's probably genetic, but it's definitely something that you're hardwired to feel. Adrenaline makes some people sick, the goal is not to change the way it makes you feel (I don't think you can if it's bad enough), the goal is to control the adrenaline spikes.
The long answer full of my own thoughts, anecdotes and speculation is within this wall of text.
This is an interesting issue because it concerns the interface between stuff you do in game and how it affects your physical state. Confirming that this used to happen to me, and still does at times when I'm kind of zoning out and then SUDDENLY people that want to kill me (usually happens when hauling something many jumps through low/null, and jumping into a sea of red as I get into the personal autopilot groove of warping from gate to safe to gate). I get headaches from the adrenaline in these situations and it totally sounds ******** because I'm experiencing real life health effects from flying Internet Spaceships, but this is the way of things. The adrenaline kick makes for shaky hands and a hurting head, but it helps me think and make good decisions very quickly, has proved to be useful IRL Then comes the feeling of being drained which is common after an adrenaline rush. When it happens frequently, like daily or even more often, this can literally be bad for one's health, kind of like abuse of caffeine that can **** up adrenal gland function for years (speaking from experience), our bodies aren't meant to receive this "holy **** imma die emergency mode on" response too often, it really is a life-preservation emergency hormonal response reserved for running away from real things that want to eat you and the like.
I spent time learning to deal with it, not for the game though, had a real life incentive. First things first, don't blame yourself for feeling terribad after an adrenaline experience, stepping away from the screen is not ragequitting, it's doing a smart thing and calming yourself. Those who judge can **** right off. It's a perfectly normal response. Second, I suggest looking into learning about relaxation techniques, for muscles and your brain. Takes time to master them, but once you do you can learn to go from a state of stress to purposefully controlled calmness quickly. Controlling your breathing is very important, too. I'm not just bullshitting with some meditate to achieve nirvana or whatever. Relaxation techniques aren't bullcrap, they exist and they work, and it can seem like magic when you learn to get it right. And third, anticipate these situations, and practice dealing with them. Practice practice practice. When you know that you know what you're doing, it's a lot easier to stay calm. And practice a lot of introspection: what makes you feel a certain way, what helps you deal with it, etc. Be honest with yourself though Controlling your thinking, muscles and breathing controls your adrenal response, if adrenaline spikes make you sick, the goal is to learn to calm down very quickly and stop the pendulum from swinging too far. Some people find it easier to stay calm when they are drunk because dire situations can seem a lot less dire when you're feeling merry. When you do get hit by a sudden deadly Internet Spaceship surprise and you do get that spike of adrenaline and it's too late to try and keep it at bay, just take it in stride, it happens. Every person is different. But you'll find it a lot easier to deal with PvP when you go out looking for it and find it. |
Cyprus Black
Cowboy Diplomacy
145
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Posted - 2012.02.23 21:40:00 -
[68] - Quote
I'd like to learn how to make the other guy go boom and not me that goes boom. Follow my EvE blog at: http://cyprusblack.blogspot.com/ |
bilingi
Ghosts of the Storm
30
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Posted - 2012.02.23 23:11:00 -
[69] - Quote
Ok a guide on how to get Low sec and 0.0 people to quit posting how to get targets into low sec and null.. OR how to explain to Elite pvpers That allot high sec people dont care? |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
366
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Posted - 2012.02.23 23:16:00 -
[70] - Quote
Did you know you can NOS billboards? Not a lot of cap available... but enough for you.
True story.
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SkiD-MaRk
DEAD-ON
15
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:40:00 -
[71] - Quote
TBH. Make video's like this guy. Kil2? Commentary is a must for good guide video's.
He focus's alot on how a solo pvp player should think when entering a fight. That information can be translated into group combat and can create far better pilots in a fleet. He is very specific about the topics he covers. And highlights his mistakes(alot of pvp video's I have seen dont have this)
As for high sec pvp. Try and cover the machanics of this. ie..nuet reps(and the changes made to them), station games(timers), splitting gate camps, ect. And simple things like fittings, explaining the use of mods in certain situations. Those are some of the basics alot of new pilots need to learn.
GL hope to see some great video's!!!
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Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
179
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:43:00 -
[72] - Quote
A list of typical "in the field" rock/paper/scissors re. ships (i.e. which ships are typicallly good against which, under what circumstances, with what typical or atypical fits). How to quickly recognize fits, tactics, etc., from initial information.
I suppose this kind of hard-won knowledge is precisely the sort of "edge" a competitive player isn't going to give away easily though |
Derth Ramir
Hellion Evolution
12
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Posted - 2012.02.24 05:13:00 -
[73] - Quote
Why is it beneficial to place three remote sensor boosters on a command Loki than the more commonly used 3x eccm setup?
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Degren
The Scope Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.02.24 05:43:00 -
[74] - Quote
How do I learn to keep a high transversal/angular? Imagine them as a giant gun and try to dodge, dip, dive?
When I set my ship up, I am probably supposed to have an idea of the range I want to engage in. How do I determine the oppositions preferred range? I assume that one is more experience than anything.
What are the best ships to learn in? I'm currently trying **** fit rifters, but I wonder if I should "splurge" and get t2 mods for it while I'm still in training wheels. |
Plutonian
Intransigent
94
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Posted - 2012.02.24 08:19:00 -
[75] - Quote
I'd love to see a PvP tutorial which touches on pilot mindset upon engaging. On the surface, Eve appears to be a space-themed spreadsheet with hard-coded rules. But underneath all the formulas exists a basic truth: where your head is going into a fight makes all the difference.
It sounds crazy, but the expectations you bring to a fight generally determine the course of that fight. There are days I really don't feel like fighting or get it in my head that my roam can only end in disaster... and I lose ship after ship (even one on one with lesser skilled and/or younger pilots). Other (rare) days when I'm howling for vengeance I can take on superior odds and walk over my opponents... because there was no doubt in my mind as to the outcome.
There's more to these fights than just loadouts and statistics.*
* Or else I'm just crazy, in which case it's probably best to ignore me and don't make eye contact or sudden moves.
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Fidelium Mortis
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
59
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Posted - 2012.02.24 14:34:00 -
[76] - Quote
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Suitonia wrote:... By not taking part in high-sec station PvP Stations can be fine depending on who and how.
In general Station games make for a very boring and frustrating PvP experience.
For a tutorial, I think a video breakdown similar to the dual prop Taranis guide could be useful, though something a bit cheaper like an Incursus or Merlin might be more palatable for a new pvper due to price (there's already enough rifter guides out there).
Oh and cover how to get a pod out in low sec, along with advice on piecing together a low cost pod for pvp - at least until they build up some experience.
Also some T1 cruiser options might be interesting to explore. ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon |
Doris Dents
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.02.24 14:36:00 -
[77] - Quote
That losing ships doesn't matter |
Stukkler Tian
Deaths Head Brigade Vanguard.
4
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:16:00 -
[78] - Quote
Ecm. Do you fit against it or just run when it hits you? seems like every other solo fight i get in involves a falcon decloaking at some point. |
Kale Kold
Mindless Griefing
24
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:21:00 -
[79] - Quote
There are two main points that people new to PvP are always completely unaware of and that these points win time and time again. I've spent years as a lowsec pirate and these two points are the two largest catalysts for success and have made me billions.
- Fly as a team
- Scout ahead
Fly as a team You must be a team! Period! No questions! Nominate a strict chain of command and stick to it. If anyone violates the chain, kick them. There must only be one Fleet Commander and their say on all matters (warping, primary's) is final! Period! Finding a good FC is important but if you are inexperienced, pick a guy with the most experience and allow him to lead and learn. All FC's have made mistakes and got a lot people killed (including me) but each loss is lesson that you will not repeat. The most important aspect is that you have one voice and one goal. If there is any dissension kick that player immediately. I can't stress this enough, you must move and fight as one unit.
Scout ahead You would be surprised how many times i've seen single players and fleets blindly jump into hostile systems. Believe me, ALL < 0.5 gates are watched! ..We call em 'eyes', scouts who are always ahead and to the rear of fleets. Always move your eyes into the system you are jumping into and never, ever jump the fleet without the say-so of your eyes. Eyes should also be masters of the directional scanner to make sure there are no fleets incoming to a gate and to detect if they are parked off-grid. As a addition to this point, all fleet members must continually spam the directional scanner in hostile systems to look for probes, incoming ships etc. And remember everyone should keep their eyes peeled on local.
There are many more tips i could give but are more specific to a particular event, these two however are universal. btw, it doesn't matter what you fly, all ships have uses, it's the application and tactics that win every time. GÇ£Some people call me insane for the destruction-áIGÇÖve caused, ...I believe I was just doing my duty!GÇ¥ -- Testimony submitted to Caldari Navy war crimes tribunal. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3280
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:33:00 -
[80] - Quote
Interception Manuvers I seriously think needs consideration in training via video/chart/ and guide
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Little Brat
The Mighty
3
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:19:00 -
[81] - Quote
Bischopt wrote:Yakumo Smith wrote:The best thing you could do for your guide is to explain what is going through your head.
Kil2 has been doing this on some of his You Tube video's and it's a great way to learn. It's all very easy to get the "book knowledge", but learning the thought process behind the actions people see on video's can take a lot longer.
For example "burning from gate to split the enemy gang", "decided to attack this chap as his mate on the gate alligned in the opposite direction si I figured I had an extra 15 seconds". This detail is often left out of pvp video's and all the watcher sees is the tackled ship with his friend on the gate without the understanding of how this came about and why it's important etc. Yeah, this. I actually had my own post which I forgot to save before the forums ate it. ::ccp:: too lazy to type it again.
type your forum post in a word document then copy and paste to the forum...works for me -á-áad astra per aspera |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
107
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:32:00 -
[82] - Quote
Garmon wrote:Hey guys, after I finish Garmonation 9 I'm planning on making a few very indepth guides, (they won't be about HG crystals and tengu links - I only do this when I am frapsing for movie) I want the guides to cater to every one, I'm sure there's something every one can learn, the best I can hope with these indepth guides is that they will inspire highsec dwellers into going to 0.0 and kick some ass
Main reason I'm making this thread is that I'd like to have some feedback on what they'd like to learn, and if you dont pvp, why exactly is that? Could I help?
Hey man GG on taking your big toys out to play and losing them brawling like a lion. Look forward to your video. |
Garmon
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
117
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Posted - 2012.03.11 22:54:00 -
[83] - Quote
So I finished Garmonation 9
Myself, Duncan Tanner, Willl adama has also created a website catered for instructional pvp content at www.eveiseasy.com
After some of the feedback that was given in this thread, and in other places, the style we ended up going with was just recording some fights we had, and go into as much detail as we could and try to explain everything that happened and why we did certain things.
As this is still in the early part of the project, we only have 3 videos up so far, and we're enjoying the process of making these so far, our next installment next weekend will focus on cheap ships any one can take out and solo in without implants or links
More suggestions is still welcome as some has been helpful, we have to prioritize things though, so even if your suggestion is very good, it might not go into effect immediately, but I still appreciate the suggestions, cheers
Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
93
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Posted - 2012.03.11 23:16:00 -
[84] - Quote
Definitely worth watching for anyone good insight into small-scale PVP, even if you feel you are at an 'advanced' level, it never hurts to go over what you may regard as 'the basics'. Chances are those bothering to watch will pick up some new ideas, hopefully implement them and make EVE more exciting and enjoyable for all.
What my dear corpmates have done here reminds me of a TV documentary character called The Masked Magician, who revealed his tricks of the trade - all with the hope of forcing professional magicians to be innovative again, and to make magic more enjoyable for all. The Order of the Falcon or Hin +¡slenska f+ílkaor+¦a is a national Order of Iceland |
Willl Adama
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
140
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Posted - 2012.03.11 23:58:00 -
[85] - Quote
Any kind of feedback on the videos we already made would be most welcome too Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
Shogun Archer
Phoenix Rise Industries
8
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Posted - 2012.03.12 01:05:00 -
[86] - Quote
Thanks for the great videos. I've always had a ton of respect for what you guys do. |
Caldari Acolyte
Perkone Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.03.12 01:06:00 -
[87] - Quote
Drop leet booster alt in system and you too can be leet solo PvPer : Fixed |
Willl Adama
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
147
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Posted - 2012.03.13 11:42:00 -
[88] - Quote
Caldari Acolyte wrote:Drop leet booster alt in system and you too can be leet solo PvPer : Fixed
We're gonna be releasing a couple of videos this weekend that will be focussed on more 'casual' and accessible pvp (that is - without alts and expensive stuff) Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
Espen Egak
Bootleg Vitamin
2
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:07:00 -
[89] - Quote
Thank you Garmon you are the bomb! |
Ozzie Asrail
Exploited
4
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Posted - 2012.03.13 15:30:00 -
[90] - Quote
Garmon, Duncan and Willl - great videos! If anyone is still worried about PvP then there has never been a better time to learn to PvP than now :)
I really feel the top 2 issues new-ish PvP'ers are:
1. Finding and creating fights - So this includes picking the right regions/systems, finding small gangs to engage, splitting bigger gangs, gauging enemy fleet strengths/weaknesses, etc
2. Fleet compositions - Grabbing any ship and roaming is usually a bad idea. So how do you pick your ships to engage against the odds, what makes a well rounded fleet, etc. |
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Willl Adama
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
148
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Posted - 2012.03.13 17:25:00 -
[91] - Quote
Ozzie Asrail wrote:Garmon, Duncan and Willl - great videos! If anyone is still worried about PvP then there has never been a better time to learn to PvP than now :)
I really feel the top 2 issues new-ish PvP'ers are:
1. Finding and creating fights - So this includes picking the right regions/systems, finding small gangs to engage, splitting bigger gangs, gauging enemy fleet strengths/weaknesses, etc
2. Fleet compositions - Grabbing any ship and roaming is usually a bad idea. So how do you pick your ships to engage against the odds, what makes a well rounded fleet, etc.
Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
Garmon
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
145
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Posted - 2012.03.13 17:37:00 -
[92] - Quote
Two very good points, even the first point will be interesting for the advanced pvper, because that is a problem a lot of people have, thanks Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
Willl Adama
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
148
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Posted - 2012.03.14 00:31:00 -
[93] - Quote
Ooops I didn't mean to emptyquote
Point #1 is already on the drawing board. Point #2 is very interesting, hadn't thought of that! Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
DOCTOR OCTAGONAPUS
Judicio Sine Misericordia
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 11:10:00 -
[94] - Quote
O7 |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
421
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Posted - 2012.03.14 12:33:00 -
[95] - Quote
Yakumo Smith wrote:The best thing you could do for your guide is to explain what is going through your head.
Kil2 has been doing this on some of his You Tube video's and it's a great way to learn. It's all very easy to get the "book knowledge", but learning the thought process behind the actions people see on video's can take a lot longer.
For example "burning from gate to split the enemy gang", "decided to attack this chap as his mate on the gate alligned in the opposite direction si I figured I had an extra 15 seconds". This detail is often left out of pvp video's and all the watcher sees is the tackled ship with his friend on the gate without the understanding of how this came about and why it's important etc.
The problem is that making these decisions is a split second thought you make after considering past experiences which have failed or succeeded.
Many times good players (not saying I'm one, I'm horrible), make their decisions on experience and this can't be taught. To explain what's going through someone's head can sometimes get very lengthy so the approach they've taken in these videos seems to have found that balance between being too wordy and demonstrating what's going on in someone's head.
when did hydra become newbie friendly :)
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Willl Adama
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
152
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Posted - 2012.03.15 10:56:00 -
[96] - Quote
Zagdul wrote:
The problem is that making these decisions is a split second thought you make after considering past experiences which have failed or succeeded.
Many times good players (not saying I'm one, I'm horrible), make their decisions on experience and this can't be taught. To explain what's going through someone's head can sometimes get very lengthy so the approach they've taken in these videos seems to have found that balance between being too wordy and demonstrating what's going on in someone's head.
You're right, some things can only be learned through experience. Nonetheless, having an understanding of certain game mechanics and so on is a good foundation to build your experience upon, and that's pretty much what we're going for with this. People probably shouldn't expect to suddenly be PVP-experts just from the knowledge they can gain from videos such as ours, but it'll definately help them to get out there and improve their game much faster. Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
Uppsy Daisy
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
82
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Posted - 2012.03.15 11:38:00 -
[97] - Quote
Really good videos and a great idea.
I know you have loads of ISK Garmon, but if you want to bring PVP to the masses, flying a Machariel with a Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor and gods knows what else Faction Goodies and Implants is probably not the way to go unless it is really what you need to succeed.
Is it? |
Willl Adama
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
152
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Posted - 2012.03.15 12:47:00 -
[98] - Quote
Uppsy Daisy wrote:Really good videos and a great idea.
I know you have loads of ISK Garmon, but if you want to bring PVP to the masses, flying a Machariel with a Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor and gods knows what else Faction Goodies and Implants is probably not the way to go unless it is really what you need to succeed.
Is it?
We're aware of this issue. We're actually going to release a few more couple of videos this weekend which will focus on much more accessible stuff to the casual player (that'll be unlinked and without super expensive stuff).
It's probably going to be solo Wolf and Rupture action Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
141
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Posted - 2012.03.16 10:49:00 -
[99] - Quote
Zagdul wrote:when did hydra become newbie friendly :)
We've always been newbie friendly : ) Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
Cannibal Kane
Brotherhood of KANE
294
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Posted - 2012.03.16 11:20:00 -
[100] - Quote
I would not mind joining Hydra... could learn hell of a lot. EDIT: If they will have me.
Anyway, to me PVP is a attitude thing. You either have it or you don't. Learning to do the basics can help but being great takes more than the skills you train. It takes a certain type of attitude.
Nice Site, awesome job. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist. |
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Willl Adama
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
155
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Posted - 2012.03.17 10:52:00 -
[101] - Quote
Cannibal Kane wrote:I would not mind joining Hydra... could learn hell of a lot. EDIT: If they will have me.
Anyway, to me PVP is a attitude thing. You either have it or you don't. Learning to do the basics can help but being great takes more than the skills you train. It takes a certain type of attitude.
Nice Site, awesome job.
That is true for almost anything though!
thanks : ) Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
QQ Weinerschnitzel
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.17 12:33:00 -
[102] - Quote
Saw the link - interested in PvP, downloaded the HD version and sat back to be instructed .....
What I saw was no instruction, just some fights recorded with usually over 5-1 odds and some gutsy tactics, which sometime did end up in some losses.
What did I learn? That this is how you set up your ship to PvP - not a general recommendation just how you do it and you like taking on greater odds than just 1v1
This is not PvP instuction
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Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
389
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Posted - 2012.03.17 15:08:00 -
[103] - Quote
I don't PvP, but I signed up anyways because I love the commentary. |
Kill Rockstar
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.03.17 16:56:00 -
[104] - Quote
The best pvp vids and now another Grand Slam, is there nothing we Welsh cannot do!!!! |
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
142
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Posted - 2012.03.17 19:18:00 -
[105] - Quote
QQ Weinerschnitzel wrote:Saw the link - interested in PvP, downloaded the HD version and sat back to be instructed .....
What I saw was no instruction, just some fights recorded with usually over 5-1 odds and some gutsy tactics, which sometime did end up in some losses.
What did I learn? That this is how you set up your ship to PvP - not a general recommendation just how you do it and you like taking on greater odds than just 1v1
This is not PvP instruction as I imagined instruction to be.
edit - my opinion
This sounds a lot like you watched parts of Garmonation 9 which isn't intended to be instructional at all.
The instructional videos are on www.eveiseasy.com Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
Garmon
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
156
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Posted - 2012.03.18 01:37:00 -
[106] - Quote
We've just added 2 new videos!
Solo Rupture and solo Wolf in 0.0 Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
120
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Posted - 2012.03.18 01:41:00 -
[107] - Quote
Is there a tutorial for blacking out the fleet window so nobody sees the covert ops scout (falcon) and the t3 ganglink ship? |
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
142
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Posted - 2012.03.18 02:06:00 -
[108] - Quote
Patient 2428190 wrote:Is there a tutorial for blacking out the fleet window so nobody sees the covert ops scout (falcon) and the t3 ganglink ship?
No, I'm sorry, there isn't. It's also unfortunate that there isn't a tutorial that could ever salvage your posting. Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
Sylia
Insidious Design
0
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Posted - 2012.03.18 02:49:00 -
[109] - Quote
Duncan Tanner wrote:Patient 2428190 wrote:Is there a tutorial for blacking out the fleet window so nobody sees the covert ops scout (falcon) and the t3 ganglink ship? No, I'm sorry, there isn't. It's also unfortunate that there isn't a tutorial that could ever salvage your posting.
<3 |
lady jailbait
Republic University Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.03.18 03:09:00 -
[110] - Quote
new vids are great, best so far imo. was gona say should should stop the using alt whining but apparently not lol |
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Cailais
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
228
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Posted - 2012.03.18 10:12:00 -
[111] - Quote
Patient 2428190 wrote:Is there a tutorial for blacking out the fleet window so nobody sees the covert ops scout (falcon) and the t3 ganglink ship?
lols
C.
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Garmon
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
159
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Posted - 2012.03.18 19:20:00 -
[112] - Quote
lady jailbait wrote:new vids are great, best so far imo. was gona say should should stop the using alt whining but apparently not lol
People seem to be enoying these, so we'll definately be making more of that kind of videos! Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com
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Klown Walk
Black Rebel Rifter Club
46
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Posted - 2012.03.18 19:24:00 -
[113] - Quote
Tried the shield rupture today and It-¦s the most fun I have had solo pvping. |
Anxiir
6
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Posted - 2012.03.18 21:50:00 -
[114] - Quote
This is not what I expected.
It seems to be geared toward already experienced PVPers, which is right up my alley! I was thinking this was for newbies shooting their first person.
I can really get behind this because there are many like me to want to be good at engaging gangs, usually solo. This helps eliminate a lot of the trial and error of learning these techniques.
Thanks for the great site and by all mean please do more vids! |
vlad0821 Artwik
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
2
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Posted - 2012.03.19 01:17:00 -
[115] - Quote
this is a great idea.
I would like you to go deep in topics like Zimmy Zeta wrote:Manual piloting. All those fancy maneuvers that keep you alive and your opponent down. I don't have too many pvp experiences, but what I have learned is that clicking "orbit at X" is most likely to kill you in pvp against skilled pilots. kiting tactics, etc.
anyway keep up the good work
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
3
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Posted - 2012.03.19 11:17:00 -
[116] - Quote
I used to be addicted to drugs. Then I saw the EveIsEasy videos and they saved my life. God bless Will and Garmon. |
Willl Adama
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
156
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Posted - 2012.03.19 11:21:00 -
[117] - Quote
Anxiir wrote:This is not what I expected.
It seems to be geared toward already experienced PVPers, which is right up my alley! I was thinking this was for newbies shooting their first person.
I can really get behind this because there are many like me to want to be good at engaging gangs, usually solo. This helps eliminate a lot of the trial and error of learning these techniques.
Thanks for the great site and by all mean please do more vids!
Yeah, we're definately trying to reach out to experienced players, because guides for the basics of pvp have already been done countless of times. That being said, we're going to do videos of varying 'difficulty' so to speak, so some stuff is going to be more basic than other. Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
General Escobar
Gung-Ho
5
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Posted - 2012.03.19 12:04:00 -
[118] - Quote
Cool... i like the new "true" solo approach! Its a lot more useful for newer players that don`t have access to all the fancy stuff like off grid boosters and crystal implants, just to name a few! That kinda stuff belongs to fancy videos like Garmonation but not really into "instructional" videos, imho!
Keep it coming!! |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
653
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Posted - 2012.03.19 13:16:00 -
[119] - Quote
Keep them comming... |
Uppsy Daisy
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
84
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Posted - 2012.03.19 18:21:00 -
[120] - Quote
Willl Adama wrote:Uppsy Daisy wrote:Really good videos and a great idea.
I know you have loads of ISK Garmon, but if you want to bring PVP to the masses, flying a Machariel with a Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor and gods knows what else Faction Goodies and Implants is probably not the way to go unless it is really what you need to succeed.
Is it? We're aware of this issue. We're actually going to release a few more couple of videos this weekend which will focus on much more accessible stuff to the casual player (that'll be unlinked and without super expensive stuff). It's probably going to be solo Wolf and Rupture action
Thanks, those two are both really good.
Will your vid should have the fitting in it, but it's not hard to find in the comments for the vid I guess.
Keep em coming! |
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Marc Halcyon
Dead Sky Inc. Talocan United
0
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Posted - 2012.03.19 21:39:00 -
[121] - Quote
Awesome Videos, keep them coming!
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Willl Adama
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
157
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:34:00 -
[122] - Quote
Uppsy Daisy wrote:Willl Adama wrote:Uppsy Daisy wrote:Really good videos and a great idea.
I know you have loads of ISK Garmon, but if you want to bring PVP to the masses, flying a Machariel with a Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor and gods knows what else Faction Goodies and Implants is probably not the way to go unless it is really what you need to succeed.
Is it? We're aware of this issue. We're actually going to release a few more couple of videos this weekend which will focus on much more accessible stuff to the casual player (that'll be unlinked and without super expensive stuff). It's probably going to be solo Wolf and Rupture action Thanks, those two are both really good. Will your vid should have the fitting in it, but it's not hard to find in the comments for the vid I guess. Keep em coming!
Yeah I forgot, sorry =) Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
Willl Adama
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
157
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Posted - 2012.03.21 13:34:00 -
[123] - Quote
Alot of people has been asking for a video explaining some scouting tecniques (D-scan in particular), so that's what we have planned for this weekend Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
Lakshata Chawla
Imperial Guardians
12
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Posted - 2012.03.21 14:24:00 -
[124] - Quote
Great videos, my only complaint is that the voice audio quality is ****, and very hard to hear on the video on engagement. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
550
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Posted - 2012.03.21 14:32:00 -
[125] - Quote
You expect me to watch a HD video with sound quality like that? Well l'v never do anything of the kind!
Clean up that audio man. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
384
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Posted - 2012.03.21 14:37:00 -
[126] - Quote
ALL credibility is gone now: http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2012/03/exploitingeveiseasycom.html
Nothing to see here anymore.....move along. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
146
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Posted - 2012.03.21 15:26:00 -
[127] - Quote
We're aware of the audio issue and are working to improve the quality of the audio in future releases.
Yea I agree, if that blogger had any credibility before then it's all gone now with that terrible article.
Some facts: - This mechanic, now deemed exploit, has been in the game and known about for at least 3-4 years if not more. - It has been used by faction NPCs to kill players before they could warp for same amount of time. - It has been used by players to kill other players including JFs well before Garmon did it. - It has been petitioned numerous times by many different people. The entire time it has been "working as intended".
If you are going to fault us for understanding game mechanics well enough to use them to our full advantage then I guess we are guilty. I would hope that people that follow this site would expect that of us.
However if you are going to call us exploiters when we haven't used the mechanic since it's status was changed to exploit then frankly you're pretty dumb.
Are we glad it's being fixed? Of course, we've lost ships to it as well and we think you should be able to cancel warp and dock up on a station. This entire situation however is being blown way out of proportion. Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
384
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Posted - 2012.03.21 16:10:00 -
[128] - Quote
Duncan Tanner wrote: {SPIN deleted} Are we glad it's being fixed? Of course, we've lost ships to it as well and we think you should be able to cancel warp and dock up on a station. This entire situation however is being blown way out of proportion.
AN EXPLOIT WAS DISCOVERED AND NOT REPORTED.
THAT is violation of EULA writ LARGE
You have not a grain of sand to stand on with this one. Sorry. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
146
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Posted - 2012.03.21 16:45:00 -
[129] - Quote
Duncan Tanner wrote: Some facts: - This mechanic, now deemed exploit, has been in the game and known about for at least 3-4 years if not more. - It has been used by faction NPCs to kill players before they could warp for same amount of time. - It has been used by players to kill other players including JFs well before Garmon did it. - It has been petitioned numerous times by many different people. The entire time it has been "working as intended".
I guess reading is difficult for you. Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
Sylia
Insidious Design
1
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Posted - 2012.03.22 12:18:00 -
[130] - Quote
Enuff about silly hacks, wheres new vids coming?
Also, for newer players, hows about you guys start a new alt, and do a video log of it progressing over say 3 months and show what can be done from day one.
Hit the critics in the mouth, list the skillplan used and show some low sp goings on.
Make it a side series maybe, as well as vids for how with ok sp you can improve your pvp style / success
I get the impression is that this site is to encourage people that they too can play well if they just think a little more. And encourage I am sure you are achieving.
Looking forward to your ongoing efforts :)
One appreciative fan thanking you |
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FoXaS Neai
Industrial Mining and Production Group
0
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Posted - 2012.03.22 12:55:00 -
[131] - Quote
Awesome video's, learned it a lot from them but one thing i'd like to see in the next video's is an amarr ship for example a harbinger or an omen since i only fly amarr and i really want to see if they are worth something
so far FoXaS |
ReBeLSKuLL
Meatshield Bastards The Bastards.
2
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Posted - 2012.03.23 00:21:00 -
[132] - Quote
Hot Stuff, would love to see more. I am very interested on seeing solo and small gangs. Keep it up! |
Willl Adama
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
158
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Posted - 2012.03.25 10:57:00 -
[133] - Quote
Sylia wrote:Enuff about silly hacks, wheres new vids coming?
Also, for newer players, hows about you guys start a new alt, and do a video log of it progressing over say 3 months and show what can be done from day one.
Hit the critics in the mouth, list the skillplan used and show some low sp goings on.
Make it a side series maybe, as well as vids for how with ok sp you can improve your pvp style / success
I get the impression is that this site is to encourage people that they too can play well if they just think a little more. And encourage I am sure you are achieving.
Looking forward to your ongoing efforts :)
One appreciative fan thanking you
Coll idea, we'll consider it
Next video coming up soon, it'll be on the topic of scouting. Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
263
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:39:00 -
[134] - Quote
Videos like this that help soften the learning curve for eve = good. Save the Miners! |
Garmon
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
226
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:29:00 -
[135] - Quote
We've added another video this one is about scouting and using the directional scanner. A few other topics are briefly touched upon as well such as setting a route and fitting theory for fleet tackle frigates.
Make sure to also check out the accompanying article for more in-depth discussion about various topics such as:
Types of Ships commonly used to scout Fitting for T1 Frigates and Fleet Interceptors Using the Directional Scanner Reporting Intel to your FC Moving through LowSec and NullSec in Non-Scouting Ships Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com
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Officer Nyota Uhura
215
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:02:00 -
[136] - Quote
The new vids are awesome. Thanks again! |
Marbin Drakon
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:26:00 -
[137] - Quote
Haven't actually watched the videos yet, but stuff like this is awesome both for new players and people like me who still might pick up a finer point or two.
To those not wanting to use border gates into low / null:
You can try to find a wormhole route if you want to "drop behind the lines" so-to-speak. Just get a T1 scan frigate off the market or from the scanning tutorial and lots of core scanner probes. Look for wormholes in highsec (particularly X702s into Class 3 wormhole systems). Right-click the wormhole and click 'Show Info.' If it doesn't say "This wormhole is reaching the end of its natural lifetime," or, "This wormhole has had it's mass critically disrupted...," hop in. If the other side is camped, wait out your session change and jump back (5km jump range on wormholes means you usually spawn in jump range). Otherwise, plug the system into sites like wormnav.com or staticmapper.com and see if it has a guaranteed connection to Lowsec or Nullsec for you to use. MAKE SURE TO BOOKMARK EVERYTHING!!! Once you've bookmarked both sides of the wormholes you want to use, then you can go get your Rupture or other pvp ship and use the route. Don't bring expensive implants since wormhole systems are fair game for bubbles and bombs.
It is still a good idea to practice getting away from gate camps at some point, but going through a wormhole gives you some advantages when you want to play with nullsec people who may have eyes in surrounding systems. Plus you get practice scanning which is always a useful skill to have. |
Diesel47
My Little Pwnys
6
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:08:00 -
[138] - Quote
Good videos. Love them. THANKS. |
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
763
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Posted - 2012.03.28 09:22:00 -
[139] - Quote
This is really cool, thanks guys |
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JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
217
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Posted - 2012.03.28 09:29:00 -
[140] - Quote
Cool of you guys to put the time and effort into the vids. |
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Memrox
Memrox Corp
8
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Posted - 2012.03.28 09:42:00 -
[141] - Quote
Really cool vids, also Id like to see more action clips with you guys raping plp! :D |
witchking42
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 09:45:00 -
[142] - Quote
Great resource, but why don't the vids show up in Youtube from the search?
If you seach for "eveiseasy" you only see a few of the Garmation vids, not the newer ruppy, wolf or scouting vids.
When watching via an ipad via the website or a tweet it's hard to get it to display the HD version automatically.
wk |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
218
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Posted - 2012.03.28 09:48:00 -
[143] - Quote
witchking42 wrote:Great resource, but why don't the vids show up in Youtube from the search?
If you seach for "eveiseasy" you only see a few of the Garmation vids, not the newer ruppy, wolf or scouting vids.
When watching via an ipad via the website or a tweet it's hard to get it to display the HD version automatically.
wk
Because they want you to register your email addy before you get access to the vids. ;) |
Inepsa1987
Critical Mass Inc.
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:19:00 -
[144] - Quote
Great work on the videos. Would like to see a video just on breaking through gate camps, since this is where a lot of people die right off in eve. Spaceship Pilot. |
Willl Adama
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
158
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:21:00 -
[145] - Quote
Inepsa1987 wrote:Great work on the videos. Would like to see a video just on breaking through gate camps, since this is where a lot of people die right off in eve.
This is something several people have been asking for, so we're probably goin to collect some footage along the way and do it at some point Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
157
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:23:00 -
[146] - Quote
witchking42 wrote:Great resource, but why don't the vids show up in Youtube from the search?
If you seach for "eveiseasy" you only see a few of the Garmation vids, not the newer ruppy, wolf or scouting vids.
When watching via an ipad via the website or a tweet it's hard to get it to display the HD version automatically.
wk
We want people to go through our website for now but I think we will change them to be publicly listed in a couple of weeks and you'll be able to just use youtube if you want.
Inepsa1987 wrote:Great work on the videos. Would like to see a video just on breaking through gate camps, since this is where a lot of people die right off in eve.
I was hoping to run into camps in this video but yea that's a good topic and we will try to cover it in the future. Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
Samantha Utama
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:43:00 -
[147] - Quote
Great videos, guys. Thanks for doing this.
Req: solo interceptor flying |
freebree
0ne Percent. Transmission Lost
10
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:55:00 -
[148] - Quote
awesome stuff!
Continue on the cheap ships. Also, I love the idea about starting a new toon from scratch. |
Klown Walk
Black Rebel Rifter Club
71
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:14:00 -
[149] - Quote
This should be on the first page. |
Caillech Bathory
Double-Down Narwhals Ate My Duck
0
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Posted - 2012.04.01 10:42:00 -
[150] - Quote
really cool videos, keep up good work |
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Crazyy Ivann
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.01 15:55:00 -
[151] - Quote
So are you using links in these fights?
Haven't seen all vids yet so don't know if its explained or not. |
Willl Adama
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
158
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Posted - 2012.04.01 17:58:00 -
[152] - Quote
Crazyy Ivann wrote:So are you using links in these fights?
Haven't seen all vids yet so don't know if its explained or not.
It is mentioned in the description and/or the commentary itself when links are used, so if there are no mention of them, then no. For reference, there are links used in the 2 gang fights and the deimos fight, but no links are used the in the rest of the videos. Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
Klown Walk
Black Rebel Rifter Club
71
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Posted - 2012.04.01 19:17:00 -
[153] - Quote
I would like to see some solo taranis pvp, where you use guerilla tactics. |
Garmon
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
235
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:53:00 -
[154] - Quote
Klown Walk wrote:I would like to see some solo taranis pvp, where you use guerilla tactics.
Will probably get around to this soon, I did plenty of that in garmonation 7 if you've not seen it, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N0-MW6HOLI Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com
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Admiral Rutledge
The Dead Rabbit Society
3
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Posted - 2012.04.04 02:09:00 -
[155] - Quote
"Thank you" is not enough but it is all I have. |
Willl Adama
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
158
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:55:00 -
[156] - Quote
New Video added today. I roam nullsec in a Myrmidon and talk about a bunch of topics along the way, including some of those suggested in here :) Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
Intigo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
3
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:02:00 -
[157] - Quote
SO GOOD.
Seriously, the amount of stuff that people could learn from this is huge. And you present it in a very precise and clear manner. |
Ilik Tanikalot
Black Rebel Rifter Club
17
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Posted - 2012.04.04 21:34:00 -
[158] - Quote
Great vids, always nice to watch!
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Bibi Andersson
Mordo's Legion
2
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Posted - 2012.04.05 21:32:00 -
[159] - Quote
Great vids guys, thanks for the effort!
Respect. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
422
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Posted - 2012.04.06 06:51:00 -
[160] - Quote
Willl Adama wrote:New Video added today. I roam nullsec in a Myrmidon and talk about a bunch of topics along the way, including some of those suggested in here :)
This was really really good!
Thank you very much, I learnt a ton. Now to watch the others |
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Vonlutt
Valkyr Industries Late Night Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.04.07 03:53:00 -
[161] - Quote
Great job guys, really good. |
Korthan
Damnation Angels
2
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Posted - 2012.04.07 04:35:00 -
[162] - Quote
Thanks for taking the time to do these vids for all the people involved.
It's ignited a new fire to go out and pvp some more especially when solo.
<3 |
Raziel Saston
Deviance Cartel
4
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:37:00 -
[163] - Quote
Great work guys. A must watch for all. Murphy asked Paddy "What ringtone have you got ?" Paddy said, "I've never really looked, but probably light brown." |
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
165
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Posted - 2012.04.07 22:10:00 -
[164] - Quote
We've released two more videos and the OP has been updated
Also all the videos are now publicly listed on youtube as promised so you can get them straight from there if you wish. Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
Beat General
Anarchist Industries Reborn Malice Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.04.07 22:50:00 -
[165] - Quote
+1 |
Kiyarii Oskold
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.07 23:19:00 -
[166] - Quote
For those of us who haven't signed up via email, can you explain the mentioned membership?
Also, wouldn't forming an AT alliance require people to put their characters into said alliance for many months? Obviously it takes a lot of effort to do well in the AT, but right now you're still Hydra and this is Eve, so why should we trust you with well-trained alts/mains? How would you deal with griefing wardecs during that time, etc? And is this a new meta-gaming of said AT, that CCP would be hard-pressed to counter? |
Intigo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
5
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Posted - 2012.04.07 23:39:00 -
[167] - Quote
The Talos footage is so beastly. |
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
165
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Posted - 2012.04.08 00:41:00 -
[168] - Quote
Kiyarii Oskold wrote:For those of us who haven't signed up via email, can you explain the mentioned membership?
We will continue to release publicly available videos that anyone can access just like normal but it will be under a reduced release schedule. The membership thing is basically a subscriber service where we will be releasing and making a ton more videos and guides. We will give more information about this in a week's time on the 14th when we launch.
Kiyarii Oskold wrote:Also, wouldn't forming an AT alliance require people to put their characters into said alliance for many months? Obviously it takes a lot of effort to do well in the AT, but right now you're still Hydra and this is Eve, so why should we trust you with well-trained alts/mains? How would you deal with griefing wardecs during that time, etc? And is this a new meta-gaming of said AT, that CCP would be hard-pressed to counter?
As far as the Alliance Tournament proposal, the idea is not to put together a team to challenge for the title or try to go all the way. The AT experience is about much more than that.
The idea behind this initiative is to take a bunch of people who've subscribed and enter a team with them just to see how we do and to have fun. There won't be exhaustive SiSi practices beyond maybe 1 or 2 in total just to familiarize people with the format.
When it comes to committing well-trained alts or mains I'd say that we'd honestly prefer having lower-sp characters join to be a part of this so we can show Eve that it's not all about skill points. It would be great if we could use the alliance tournament as a platform to show how you fly your ship matters much more than SP.
There isn't any secret plan involved with any of this and it's completely separate from any of Hydra's AT efforts. I don't see wardecs being a problem at all and we could always counter dec with Hydra if it becomes one (or hire Noir. m8) Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
maCH'EttE
The 12th Legion Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
5
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Posted - 2012.04.08 01:44:00 -
[169] - Quote
good vids fellas, please keep them coming. |
Vixorz
Cabronazos
11
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Posted - 2012.04.08 20:28:00 -
[170] - Quote
Videos are awesome. \o/
But!... you should clean your audio before uploading the videos. There is a lot of white noise, probably due to the crappy mics you guys are using. To fix that you can use Adobe Soundbooth or any similar software. Just drag the file or the audio track and do a "noise reduction" or "noise clean". If you are using Sony Vegas, maybe it has that feature too, i'm not sure.
This will help improve the quality a lot ;-) |
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MarkusBrisbane
Vitriol Ventures BLACK-MARK
1
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:21:00 -
[171] - Quote
I'm really enjoying the vids, loads of really usefull advice. Keep up the good work. I swear, all the survival instinct of a lemming under peer pressure. |
Josh Satchell
Dead Pilots Society
0
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Posted - 2012.04.10 17:56:00 -
[172] - Quote
good stuff keep it up . should be tagged for newbs... |
Willl Adama
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
177
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Posted - 2012.04.12 12:17:00 -
[173] - Quote
Preview of our new video (dual Thorax) + some information regarding our new and upgraded website which will be launching soon; watch it here Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
james1122
Aperture Harmonics K162
25
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Posted - 2012.04.13 15:10:00 -
[174] - Quote
Keep the videos coming. It is all very much appreciated :) Two Step for CSM |
Pixxie Twilight
80
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:12:00 -
[175] - Quote
Garmon,
Thanks for all the video tutorials, am linking them and Garmonation in my latest show.
Pixxie T >^^< ***~~~ NEW PLAYER PODCAST ~ -áPIXXIE'S EVE ONLINE PODCAST ~~~*** ***Latest Episode* EPISODE 9 *Dust 514, Stealth Bombers, PvP, Burn Jita*** ~~~~~~~~-á On iTunes and at http://pixxietwilight.podbean.com/ ~~~~~~~~ |
Cyaron wars
D00M. Northern Coalition.
6
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Posted - 2012.04.13 21:36:00 -
[176] - Quote
I really enjoy this |
geit reyl
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.14 04:38:00 -
[177] - Quote
i like the bit that says 19.99 a month |
Mnmlife
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.04.14 05:01:00 -
[178] - Quote
200$ for a lifetime membership or 19$ a month.
you serious man?
the website isn't even up properly or on time and you want people to fork over that type of cash for something with no guarantee it will exist in a month?
I cant do much else then wish you all luck with it. I don't think I can support that level of expense for something that is going to leak out the moment you publish it. Forum or video wise.
* edit so noone thinks I am making this up
http://www.eveiseasy.com/complete-your-order/ |
Forum Harlot
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.04.14 05:33:00 -
[179] - Quote
I've watched some of your videos, know your track record in EVE, and you seem like a knowledgeable bunch - but paying 20 bucks a months (Which is more than I pay for an EVE account) or 200 for a lifetime membership on a site that may or may not survive three months? Yeah, no. Good luck, though.
Edit: Your video promoting the website sounding like a TV shop commercial doesn't help. |
zaqq
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.04.14 05:33:00 -
[180] - Quote
I was so looking forward to the up coming videos and other stuff, then BOOM $19 per month??? UMADBROS!!
Completely lost faith in you guys :( makes me a sad panda to admit it, which is a real shame because the videos so far have been very epic (apart from some audio issues) and I have supported them as much as I could.
I look forward to watching the newer videos that get ripped from the website and thrown up on youtube for free etc, I know they are gonna be pro :)
peace o/
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Kheo Sen
shatterd chains
2
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Posted - 2012.04.14 05:44:00 -
[181] - Quote
zaqq wrote:
Completely lost faith in you guys :( makes me a sad panda to admit it, which is a real shame because the videos so far have been very epic (apart from some audio issues) and I have supported them as much as I could.
I look forward to watching the newer videos that get ripped from the website and thrown up on youtube for free etc, I know they are gonna be pro :)
peace o/
this |
Maximille Biagge
The Eden Trading International Corporation Curatores Veritatis Alliance
47
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Posted - 2012.04.14 07:16:00 -
[182] - Quote
lol, just lol.
I seriously thought what you guys were doing was great, giving back to the community that made you "famous" and trying to help those out there who want to learn to be good at solo/small gang pvp.
But alas its just a big money making scheme by the "great garmon" and his buddies, trying to milk your fanbase for all it's worth.
Seriously 20 dollars a month for pvp videos and commentaries? The same stuff that so many other eve players share with the community for free every week.
let me guess, the next garmonation will only be available on blue-ray from amazon?
pathetic.
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Dracnys
14
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Posted - 2012.04.14 07:30:00 -
[183] - Quote
First: Your instructional videos were by far the best one's I've seen. Thank you for making them, I've learned a lot.
However, your price is way to high and there's no way to know if you website is legit and that you will continue to do more content. Is it even allowed to sell these videos? Because, well, CCP owns the copyright to everything in EVE.
From a business perspective I would advise you that your target group of elite PVP people in EVE is too small and not ready to pay real money. Especially not more than their EVE subscription. This just can't sustain multiple "players" working full time. Very few people are ready to pay for computer game videos. And despite the good quality these videos stay what they are: People playing computer games with commentary.
I would pay ISK, probably lots of it, but no RL money. |
Raziel Saston
Deviance Cartel
4
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Posted - 2012.04.14 08:11:00 -
[184] - Quote
Dracnys wrote:First: Your instructional videos were by far the best one's I've seen. Thank you for making them, I've learned a lot.
However, your price is way to high and there's no way to know if you website is legit and that you will continue to do more content. Is it even allowed to sell these videos? Because, well, CCP owns the copyright to everything in EVE.
From a business perspective I would advise you that your target group of elite PVP people in EVE is too small and not ready to pay real money. Especially not more than their EVE subscription. This just can't sustain multiple "players" working full time. Very few people are ready to pay for computer game videos. And despite the good quality these videos stay what they are: People playing computer games with commentary.
I would pay ISK, probably lots of it, but no RL money.
Mostly this.
A few friends saw this coming but I refused to believe it. Now that it's here I still can't believe it.
Waaaay over priced
Website looks poor
The videos themselves are by far the best i have seen and I am sure there is plenty of Rodneys out there that will part with their cash. GL with that.
There is soo many free apps and videos etc out there. Seems like you guys lost the whole spirit of eve thing. Murphy asked Paddy "What ringtone have you got ?" Paddy said, "I've never really looked, but probably light brown." |
Aldap
Club Bear
40
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Posted - 2012.04.14 08:49:00 -
[185] - Quote
You guys are overreacting.
First I'll say, I just don't have the money. Simply my rl situation doesn't allow me to spend much time online playing, and even paying the subscription sometimes seems at risk these days. So I won't be joining EiE... However, if I had the money I'd join without second thought.
Why? Because its obvious that people can get just about the best PvP experience and improve way faster simply any other form of 'teacher' that Eve has to offer.... Do you know how many people actually pay rl cash for Eve stuff every day?
This is a legitimate and really great offer imo.
About 9 years I started playing a board game called 'Go', its very deep and complex. After a couple of years playing I kinda got stuck on and my level of game just wouldn't take the next level leap without help. I was breaking on the cliff for a full year trying to make that next step into "dan" level, without success. I then took a couple months of tutoring lessons from a pro, paying 20$ per session. I cannot even explain how incredible it impacted my game, moved into the lower dan levels smoothly with ease and even enjoyed playing more than ever before.
'Go' was and still is just a hobby for me, and so is Eve. If you love your hobby enough, you'll go beyond those childish reaction you just blurt out, and realize that a lot of players are going to deeply benefit from EiE and become much better pilots.
I see nothing but positive things coming out of this. More pilots knowing their solo stuff. More pilots being able to face blobs without fear. More 'out of the box' thinking, just more real Eve rather than boring ECM and Blobs.
Well done and goodluck to everyone who are taking this next step! My first PvP video: The Hunt |
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
69
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Posted - 2012.04.14 08:49:00 -
[186] - Quote
LOL 19$ a month?
You serious? that is nearly the same price as an EvE sub.
I admit your videos are nice and are informative but they are not worth 19$ a month, hell I wouldnt even pay that for a porno of rihanna licking her own snatch.
Best of luck with your scam tho. Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |
Beat General
Sons of Retribution Malice Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.04.14 08:49:00 -
[187] - Quote
costs alot...
I think that abbadon21 guy is corrupting the minds of garmon/will/duncan.
All that guy is a greedy money muncher. You can tell by his disgusting voice. |
Raziel Saston
Deviance Cartel
4
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Posted - 2012.04.14 09:10:00 -
[188] - Quote
Aldap wrote:
If you love your hobby enough, you'll go beyond those childish reaction you just blurt out, and realize that a lot of players are going to deeply benefit from EiE
Hardly childish reactions. They are asking members to pay around the same amount as the actual eve subsciption.
I think we all know who is going to deeply benefit from EIE Murphy asked Paddy "What ringtone have you got ?" Paddy said, "I've never really looked, but probably light brown." |
Syss7
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.14 09:27:00 -
[189] - Quote
EvE is Easy, err... Expensive |
Ozzie Asrail
Exploited
5
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Posted - 2012.04.14 09:40:00 -
[190] - Quote
Looks good guys, hope it goes well for you. The vids have been awesome so far so i can only assume the one in the member area will be first class
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Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.14 10:24:00 -
[191] - Quote
Not for me I'm afraid at that price point but good luck Garmon, Will and Duncan with the enterprise. |
Ishanmae
Binding Energy
3
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Posted - 2012.04.14 11:10:00 -
[192] - Quote
Not for me either...
I can't justify paying about as much as I pay for two subs (with yearly payments, I'm below 22$/month for both accounts).
I could easily plex them if I had the time to play more, but as it is, I would have a hard time justifying the expense for the EVE accounts already if money was tighter.
At a lower price, I would have definitely gone for it... |
Klown Walk
Black Rebel Rifter Club
76
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Posted - 2012.04.14 11:21:00 -
[193] - Quote
No wonder why you kept dodging the price before. Good luck but it-¦s to much for me as a casual pvper. |
shortattenionsp
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2012.04.14 11:44:00 -
[194] - Quote
Great videos so far guys and I really like what you're trying to do but I think you have really gotten your pricing wrong. I think pricing lower (under $10 a month) would give you waay more subs and you'd make more money that way. $19 is too close to $20 and most people just won't be able to justify paying that to themselves. - I'm sure you'll get some for sure, I just think it'd work out better for you with a lower price point.
Also the website really could look better, it looks fairly amateurish at the moment. There's plenty of decent simple eve websites out there, like SOMER blinks's site for example, http://cogdev.net/blink/. I just looked in the Eve fansites list and found a couple of randoms that look ok: http://extra-vehicular.blogspot.co.uk/ , http://www.saganexplorations.net/ Spend some of that money on a web designer or even hire someone for isk ;)
Just a little feedback anyway, peace |
Bruno Bourque
4
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Posted - 2012.04.14 12:08:00 -
[195] - Quote
Quote:10. You may not market, sell, advertise, promote, solicit or otherwise arrange for the exchange or transfer of items in the game or other game services unless it is for in-game sales of in-game services or items. http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp
Can someone from CCP confirm if this is allowed, since people cant actually sell things like phone apps ect. |
Wyvern Eden
Eden's Spaceship Enterprises
4
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Posted - 2012.04.14 14:21:00 -
[196] - Quote
The videos were very very good, and I was really looking forward to the new site and members area. However, asking almost 20$ per month is just INSANELY overpriced. In my opinion asking any RL currency for this is just wrong. It would have been a fair price if it would be like 500m isk for access in my opinion. There are many people not spending a dime on EVE, just playing with PLEX. Those people certainly won't pay any RL currency for a guide I guess, so you would be missing out on a lot of customers!
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General Escobar
Gung-Ho
6
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Posted - 2012.04.14 14:26:00 -
[197] - Quote
the videos aren`t bad but the sub is just way too expensive! |
Naomi Wildfire
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
102
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Posted - 2012.04.14 14:36:00 -
[198] - Quote
Achievement unlocked: Mastertroll |
Elenor Kharne
Ergo Optima
1
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Posted - 2012.04.14 14:47:00 -
[199] - Quote
I really liked your awesome videos so far and it felt like you were just any other EVE gamer simply with more experience, skill and some creativity how to win fights than any other. And suddenly. That voice (modulated or not) talking about elite pro wtf pvp and the last announcement video whose related videos were only make-up styling videos at first, which made me feel that those "only positive comments" might not come from actual players.
My opinion is that you would have been better not using all those high profile marketing tricks (pron voice, promise everything under the sun, make the clients feel exclusive/elite for paying you ...) which you can see in most scams.
A smooth transition would have been better. your site is just starting and you cant expect players to pay for it such high prices without having seen much of your service. I kinda like your service and I think there are players willing to pay for this.
I agree with Aldap in his points although I am not in a position nor willing to spend so money for that stuff. You can find a lot of good thoughts on good tactics/fittings if you invest some time in searching them (eg. blogs of good pvpers, fellow gamers [discussions with them], videos), for free.
Your vision of how your site might turn out is great and sounds promising, too. I really wish you the best for your project. |
Lex Fasces
New Eden Renegades
5
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Posted - 2012.04.14 15:45:00 -
[200] - Quote
Not patients.g 5 dollars per video and certainly not for the forum that is most likely empty and needs populating. saw.thus coming and would gladly pay a fiver a month or whatever but more than eve sub is a bit too egotistical for me lol |
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Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
989
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Posted - 2012.04.14 15:53:00 -
[201] - Quote
hehe |
Memrox
Memrox Corp
33
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Posted - 2012.04.14 16:39:00 -
[202] - Quote
Garmon (and your cronies), just leave the vids to the pro's like Kovorix. |
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2012.04.14 16:43:00 -
[203] - Quote
Garmon and the other great pilots in the vids, really really disappointing. 19 dollars a month!! come on man. I think you should have never hooked up with abbadon21. He just ripps people off. And here i thought you guys were doing a great thing for eve. I would not mind paying 5 dollars a month, just to see you guys fly. Besides that, there are plenty of other great pilots that put up their vids for FREE. Very sad. |
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2012.04.14 16:45:00 -
[204] - Quote
Beat General wrote:costs alot... I think that abbadon21 guy is corrupting the minds of garmon/will/duncan. All that guy is, is a greedy money muncher. You can tell by his disgusting voice. I thought i was the only one that thought of that lol. He does sound slimy. |
james1122
Aperture Harmonics K162
26
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Posted - 2012.04.14 17:35:00 -
[205] - Quote
Make it $5 a month or less and then I will subscribe.
That is all.... Two Step for CSM |
geit reyl
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.04.14 18:05:00 -
[206] - Quote
i wonder how long it took abadon to talk them into this, that dude has rl scaming lvl 5
edit: also his cheap tv shoping channel jargon all over the site makes me laugh so hard |
TooNu
Hide and Sneak
0
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Posted - 2012.04.14 18:05:00 -
[207] - Quote
HAHAHAHAHA Garmon still trolling :) Every year we get something awesome fom Garmon and again he delivers. Alliance tournamet finals vs himself, Mintchip, and now $19.99 subscription, love it
I can not wait for the next instalment of "Garmon: Your mind it is blown!' |
Naomi Wildfire
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
102
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Posted - 2012.04.14 18:12:00 -
[208] - Quote
TooNu wrote:HAHAHAHAHA Garmon still trolling :) Every year we get something awesome fom Garmon and again he delivers. Alliance tournamet finals vs himself, Mintchip, and now $19.99 subscription, love it I can not wait for the next instalment of "Garmon: Your mind it is blown!'
Sad part about those is, Mintchip is not a one time troll but rather a continuously one. |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
669
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Posted - 2012.04.14 18:30:00 -
[209] - Quote
Maximille Biagge wrote:lol, just lol.
I seriously thought what you guys were doing was great, giving back to the community that made you "famous"
So you really believe that's Garmon who owes the community rather than it owing him? Really?
May be he should start paying isk for anyone bothering to watch his movies then?
While I'm not supporting this initiative, I can't blame him either. People think it's OK to copy-cat someone's setups, to abuse him knowing he's a prooven soloer (and thus has no crap like cynoes), but should he somehow ask a bit in exhange he becomes the worst scoundrel.
Pathetic, indeed. 14 |
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2012.04.14 18:34:00 -
[210] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:Maximille Biagge wrote:lol, just lol.
I seriously thought what you guys were doing was great, giving back to the community that made you "famous"
So you really believe that's Garmon who owes the community rather than it owing him? Really? May be he should start paying isk for anyone bothering to watch his movies then? While I'm not supporting this initiative, I can't blame him either. People think it's OK to copy-cat someone's setups, to abuse him knowing he's a prooven soloer (and thus has no crap like cynoes), but should he somehow ask a bit in exhange he becomes the worst scoundrel. Pathetic, indeed. no body is putting down garmon, its just sad that he is charging or abbadone21 is charging 19 dollars a month, ohh by the way get off his nuts.
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Maximille Biagge
The Eden Trading International Corporation Curatores Veritatis Alliance
50
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Posted - 2012.04.14 18:46:00 -
[211] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:Maximille Biagge wrote:lol, just lol.
I seriously thought what you guys were doing was great, giving back to the community that made you "famous"
So you really believe that's Garmon who owes the community rather than it owing him? Really? May be he should start paying isk for anyone bothering to watch his movies then? While I'm not supporting this initiative, I can't blame him either. People think it's OK to copy-cat someone's setups, to abuse him knowing he's a prooven soloer (and thus has no crap like cynoes), but should he somehow ask a bit in exhange he becomes the worst scoundrel. Pathetic, indeed.
Yes anybody who rises to any form of "fame" in a community owes alot of it to the people behind them, He uplaods videos and its his fan that like them, share them with their friends, promote them on the forums and ultimately pump up that view counter.
All this attention then can even lead to sponsorship by entities like Somer Blink.
but in the end without the community the video makers are nothing except people who are good at eve.
The whole eveiseasy thing was introduced as a way to give back tot he community, to help them out, "say thankyou" in a way.
and now it costs the community RL cash, and a substantial amount at that.
TBH I would even have payed a PLEX for it to fund ships and such in game for the video makers but there is no way I can see how making the videos and running a forum can suddenly require so much RL cash. |
Mij Fa Meraptuchi
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.04.14 18:51:00 -
[212] - Quote
Make it 4.99 and only then, maybe... Better yet charge isk or GTFO. |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
669
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Posted - 2012.04.14 19:03:00 -
[213] - Quote
Maximille Biagge wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:Maximille Biagge wrote:lol, just lol.
I seriously thought what you guys were doing was great, giving back to the community that made you "famous"
So you really believe that's Garmon who owes the community rather than it owing him? Really? May be he should start paying isk for anyone bothering to watch his movies then? While I'm not supporting this initiative, I can't blame him either. People think it's OK to copy-cat someone's setups, to abuse him knowing he's a prooven soloer (and thus has no crap like cynoes), but should he somehow ask a bit in exhange he becomes the worst scoundrel. Pathetic, indeed. Yes anybody who rises to any form of "fame" in a community owes alot of it to the people behind them, He uplaods videos and its his fan that like them, share them with their friends, promote them on the forums and ultimately pump up that view counter. All this attention then can even lead to sponsorship by entities like Somer Blink. but in the end without the community the video makers are nothing except people who are good at eve. . View counter and that kind of e-fame is of no value whatsoever.
What really matters are mutual emotions - an artist comes to the scene and performs his stuff, the audience claps and then leaves. On top of that it pays for the tickets upfront.
Now what you're saying is: the artist should be grateful for them just coming and sitting still and then leaving silent. Moreover, he should 'give back' and then perform another irrelevant activity - for free as well.
By the way, just for your information - 1/3 to 1/2 comments I see at video threads come from people who in turn make PvP movies. Same faces all the way.
P.S.
Sponsorship you mentioned might get one enough isk to pay for the ammo used. You clearly have no clue at the expenses one suffers whilst making a decent movie. 14 |
Maximille Biagge
The Eden Trading International Corporation Curatores Veritatis Alliance
50
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Posted - 2012.04.14 20:35:00 -
[214] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:Maximille Biagge wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:Maximille Biagge wrote:lol, just lol.
I seriously thought what you guys were doing was great, giving back to the community that made you "famous"
So you really believe that's Garmon who owes the community rather than it owing him? Really? May be he should start paying isk for anyone bothering to watch his movies then? While I'm not supporting this initiative, I can't blame him either. People think it's OK to copy-cat someone's setups, to abuse him knowing he's a prooven soloer (and thus has no crap like cynoes), but should he somehow ask a bit in exhange he becomes the worst scoundrel. Pathetic, indeed. Yes anybody who rises to any form of "fame" in a community owes alot of it to the people behind them, He uplaods videos and its his fan that like them, share them with their friends, promote them on the forums and ultimately pump up that view counter. All this attention then can even lead to sponsorship by entities like Somer Blink. but in the end without the community the video makers are nothing except people who are good at eve. . View counter and that kind of e-fame is of no value whatsoever. What really matters are mutual emotions - an artist comes to the scene and performs his stuff, the audience claps and then leaves. On top of that it pays for the tickets upfront. Now what you're saying is: the artist should be grateful for them just coming and sitting still and then leaving silent. Moreover, he should 'give back' and then perform another irrelevant activity - for free as well. By the way, just for your information - 1/3 to 1/2 comments I see at video threads come from people who in turn make PvP movies. Same faces all the way. P.S. Sponsorship you mentioned might get one enough isk to pay for the ammo used. You clearly have no clue at the expenses one suffers whilst making a decent movie.
and it seems you maybe make PvP videos for the wrong reasons and are under the impression all other PvP video makers share your estranged opinions vOv |
Raziel Saston
Deviance Cartel
7
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Posted - 2012.04.14 22:35:00 -
[215] - Quote
Mistress Lilu wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:Maximille Biagge wrote:lol, just lol.
I seriously thought what you guys were doing was great, giving back to the community that made you "famous"
So you really believe that's Garmon who owes the community rather than it owing him? Really? May be he should start paying isk for anyone bothering to watch his movies then? While I'm not supporting this initiative, I can't blame him either. People think it's OK to copy-cat someone's setups, to abuse him knowing he's a prooven soloer (and thus has no crap like cynoes), but should he somehow ask a bit in exhange he becomes the worst scoundrel. Pathetic, indeed. no body is putting down garmon, its just sad that he is charging or abbadone21 is charging 19 dollars a month, ohh by the way get off his nuts.
lol Murphy asked Paddy "What ringtone have you got ?" Paddy said, "I've never really looked, but probably light brown." |
Laktos
Gunpoint Diplomacy
105
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Posted - 2012.04.15 02:20:00 -
[216] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:Maximille Biagge wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:Maximille Biagge wrote:lol, just lol.
I seriously thought what you guys were doing was great, giving back to the community that made you "famous"
So you really believe that's Garmon who owes the community rather than it owing him? Really? May be he should start paying isk for anyone bothering to watch his movies then? While I'm not supporting this initiative, I can't blame him either. People think it's OK to copy-cat someone's setups, to abuse him knowing he's a prooven soloer (and thus has no crap like cynoes), but should he somehow ask a bit in exhange he becomes the worst scoundrel. Pathetic, indeed. Yes anybody who rises to any form of "fame" in a community owes alot of it to the people behind them, He uplaods videos and its his fan that like them, share them with their friends, promote them on the forums and ultimately pump up that view counter. All this attention then can even lead to sponsorship by entities like Somer Blink. but in the end without the community the video makers are nothing except people who are good at eve. . View counter and that kind of e-fame is of no value whatsoever. What really matters are mutual emotions - an artist comes to the scene and performs his stuff, the audience claps and then leaves. On top of that it pays for the tickets upfront. Now what you're saying is: the artist should be grateful for them just coming and sitting still and then leaving silent. Moreover, he should 'give back' and then perform another irrelevant activity - for free as well. By the way, just for your information - 1/3 to 1/2 comments I see at video threads come from people who in turn make PvP movies. Same faces all the way. P.S. Sponsorship you mentioned might get one enough isk to pay for the ammo used. You clearly have no clue at the expenses one suffers whilst making a decent movie.
Have to agree with Fon on this one. Garmon and the other eveiseasy guys don't owe the community anything. Garmon, Willl and Duncan have already given lots to the community through the creation of their inspiring pvp videos, and on top of that 9 long, in depth free eveiseasy guides that were released before the site went exclusive.
In fact, one should be more surprised that they were doing these videos for free in the first place rather than surpised that they now charge for them. When I (and just about everyone) go soloing, I frequently engage 5+ times my numbers, and then once I have been pinned down have a falcon or some such thing permajam me. Sometimes while this happens I am laughed at by the gankers for trying to solo. The EVE community at large has not respect, but mainly scorn and derision for anybody who tries to solo. In this culture, we should be surprised any soloer bothers to do anything to give back to the community in any way, whether it is for free or for a price.
If you do not want to pay cash for these videos, then fine, do not. I'm not subscribing either. But rather than deride these guys for wanting something in return for all the work they are doing, instead be grateful for all the inspirational videos and the educational video guides they have already produced for free. Latest PVP Video: Perseverance
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Diddles Mcphee
The Casual Killers
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Posted - 2012.04.15 02:24:00 -
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The commercialization of EIE has killed everything you were to me as an inspiration in EVE pvp. I hope you sincerely reconsider what you've done. I had a lot of respect for you as an EVE player, but now all I see is another "artist" on a greedy bastard tour.
The worst part is that there are probably already many people who have given in to your demands, and the comments from the true Garmon fans\supporters will have fallen on deaf ears.
I hope that you will continue to create/release non-instructional videos for the community to enjoy at their leisure and not their expense
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Maximille Biagge
The Eden Trading International Corporation Curatores Veritatis Alliance
51
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Posted - 2012.04.15 04:20:00 -
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Laktos wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:Maximille Biagge wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:Maximille Biagge wrote:lol, just lol.
I seriously thought what you guys were doing was great, giving back to the community that made you "famous"
So you really believe that's Garmon who owes the community rather than it owing him? Really? May be he should start paying isk for anyone bothering to watch his movies then? While I'm not supporting this initiative, I can't blame him either. People think it's OK to copy-cat someone's setups, to abuse him knowing he's a prooven soloer (and thus has no crap like cynoes), but should he somehow ask a bit in exhange he becomes the worst scoundrel. Pathetic, indeed. Yes anybody who rises to any form of "fame" in a community owes alot of it to the people behind them, He uplaods videos and its his fan that like them, share them with their friends, promote them on the forums and ultimately pump up that view counter. All this attention then can even lead to sponsorship by entities like Somer Blink. but in the end without the community the video makers are nothing except people who are good at eve. . View counter and that kind of e-fame is of no value whatsoever. What really matters are mutual emotions - an artist comes to the scene and performs his stuff, the audience claps and then leaves. On top of that it pays for the tickets upfront. Now what you're saying is: the artist should be grateful for them just coming and sitting still and then leaving silent. Moreover, he should 'give back' and then perform another irrelevant activity - for free as well. By the way, just for your information - 1/3 to 1/2 comments I see at video threads come from people who in turn make PvP movies. Same faces all the way. P.S. Sponsorship you mentioned might get one enough isk to pay for the ammo used. You clearly have no clue at the expenses one suffers whilst making a decent movie. Have to agree with Fon on this one. Garmon and the other eveiseasy guys don't owe the community anything. Garmon, Willl and Duncan have already given lots to the community through the creation of their inspiring pvp videos, and on top of that 9 long, in depth free eveiseasy guides that were released before the site went exclusive. In fact, one should be more surprised that they were doing these videos for free in the first place rather than surpised that they now charge for them. When I (and just about everyone) go soloing, I frequently engage 5+ times my numbers, and then once I have been pinned down have a falcon or some such thing permajam me. Sometimes while this happens I am laughed at by the gankers for trying to solo. The EVE community at large has not respect, but mainly scorn and derision for anybody who tries to solo. In this culture, we should be surprised any soloer bothers to do anything to give back to the community in any way, whether it is for free or for a price. If you do not want to pay cash for these videos, then fine, do not. I'm not subscribing either. But rather than deride these guys for wanting something in return for all the work they are doing, instead be grateful for all the inspirational videos and the educational video guides they have already produced for free.
I'm sorry but are you saying these "artists" don't owe any thanks to their fans? Are all the Thank-you's at the end of almost every pvp video not sincere and only added because "it's what one does".
Now I in no way ever stated that Garmon and co. NEEDED to produce any of the eveiseasy videos or anything else and am thankful for all the free videos and commentaries they produced. I myself learned from them as many others have.
All I am dissapointed about is that when EiE was announced I myself and i'm sure many others saw it as a kind gesture of sorts, the grand masters laying bare their secrets to us younger players to encourage the growth of this solo PvP community.
I myself have often found myself frustrated trying to solo, being constantly blobbed and permajammed only to hear "it's ok because you're in CVA, all they do is blob" and it is people like yourself and garmon who's videos make me jump in the next ship and try again, over and over.
But now it is a payed for, "elite club" once more and only those of us willing to fork over the cash may continue to learn about solo pvp or "copycat setups" from those who wanted to see it flourish.
I do apolagise for the aggressive stance I may have taken in any earlier comments and if this made me seem ungreatful, but this is the eve-online forum and there is no room to sugarcoat anything. If I think something is wrong I will say it and then defend my opinion, I would be a coward if i didn't.
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Jezs
Missions Mining and Mayhem Northern Coalition.
9
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Posted - 2012.04.15 04:36:00 -
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So how much have you made so far? |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
670
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Posted - 2012.04.15 05:32:00 -
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Maximille Biagge wrote:
I'm sorry but are you saying these "artists" don't owe any thanks to their fans? Are all the Thank-you's at the end of almost every pvp video not sincere and only added because "it's what one does".
Now I in no way ever stated that Garmon and co. NEEDED to produce any of the eveiseasy videos or anything else and am thankful for all the free videos and commentaries they produced. I myself learned from them as many others have.
All I am dissapointed about is that when EiE was announced I myself and i'm sure many others saw it as a kind gesture of sorts, the grand masters laying bare their secrets to us younger players to encourage the growth of this solo PvP community.
I myself have often found myself frustrated trying to solo, being constantly blobbed and permajammed only to hear "it's ok because you're in CVA, all they do is blob" and it is people like yourself and garmon who's videos make me jump in the next ship and try again, over and over.
But now it is a payed for, "elite club" once more and only those of us willing to fork over the cash may continue to learn about solo pvp or "copycat setups" from those who wanted to see it flourish.
I do apolagise for the aggressive stance I may have taken in any earlier comments and if this made me seem ungreatful, but this is the eve-online forum and there is no room to sugarcoat anything. If I think something is wrong I will say it and then defend my opinion, I would be a coward if i didn't.
You missed the word "mutual". Any artist is pleased to see the full hall, that's right, but the people in turn should show some respect and behave accordingly. I simply can not imagine, say, Freddie Mercury singing in his usual manner in front of emotionless robots.
Apology accepted. I don't mean to sound arrogant, but please do note the following: you might have thought about it another way should you be making vids comparable to those of Garmon/Genos or mine. Most just don't know how it feels.
Yet again, I personally don't support this commercial way of doing things. But I surely understand where it comes from. 14 |
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Laktos
Gunpoint Diplomacy
107
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Posted - 2012.04.15 05:36:00 -
[221] - Quote
Maximille Biagge wrote:I'm sorry but are you saying these "artists" don't owe any thanks to their fans? Are all the Thank-you's at the end of almost every pvp video not sincere and only added because "it's what one does".
Now I in no way ever stated that Garmon and co. NEEDED to produce any of the eveiseasy videos or anything else and am thankful for all the free videos and commentaries they produced. I myself learned from them as many others have.
All I am dissapointed about is that when EiE was announced I myself and i'm sure many others saw it as a kind gesture of sorts, the grand masters laying bare their secrets to us younger players to encourage the growth of this solo PvP community.
I myself have often found myself frustrated trying to solo, being constantly blobbed and permajammed only to hear "it's ok because you're in CVA, all they do is blob" and it is people like yourself and garmon who's videos make me jump in the next ship and try again, over and over.
But now it is a payed for, "elite club" once more and only those of us willing to fork over the cash may continue to learn about solo pvp or "copycat setups" from those who wanted to see it flourish.
I do apolagise for the aggressive stance I may have taken in any earlier comments and if this made me seem ungreatful, but this is the eve-online forum and there is no room to sugarcoat anything. If I think something is wrong I will say it and then defend my opinion, I would be a coward if i didn't.
I'm not saying that video makers shouldn't be grateful to their fans. I am saying that video makers don't "owe" the community and they have the right to do with their own work what they will. Whether it be distributing it for free or charging for it. It is then the viewers choice whether to pay for it or not watch it. But these guys should not be demonised for their choice to try to turn their hard work into something profitable, especially as, as far as I am aware, they have monetised this service primarily so that they can do it full time. Would you do volunteer work full time?
The fact that eveiseasy has now been made an exclusive club only for paying members is disappointing to me as well. But they are far from the only people who are teaching solo pvp, and their way is not even necessarily the right way. A lot of the information in the eveiseasy videos are not fact, but are simply the video makers way of playing and seeing the game. There really is no right or wrong in EVE, and the fittings and tactics that are promoted in the eveiseasy videos are not a science.
So for those who want to pay to join eveiseasy, they will be able to learn these certain styles and ways of playing the game in an easily digestable format. But for the rest of us there are all the other video makers who release pvp vids, there is Kil2 and Kovorix's podcast, there is Sard Caid's Twitch TV Stream, there are blogs and guides and all the wealth of information of the rest of the eve pvp community, and above all there is personal experience, which will always remain the greatest and most sure way of learning solo pvp. Latest PVP Video: Perseverance
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Forum Harlot
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.04.15 05:48:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote: You missed the word "mutual". Any artist is pleased to see the full hall, that's right, but the people in turn should show some respect and behave accordingly. I simply can not imagine, say, Freddie Mercury singing in his usual manner in front of emotionless robots.
wat.
Some guy making EVE videos is not Freddie Mercury, and art? Really? He is, in fact, some guy making EVE videos.
I personally don't have a problem with anyone charging money for the videos, but you'd have to be stark raving mad to pay close to double that of EVE's subscription fee (10.95 if you pay for 12 months at a time) for PVP advice or to think that's a reasonable price, when you can have two additional EVE accounts for approximately the same monthly cost (Falcon alt, anyone?). It's just dumbfounding that apparently none of them pointed out just how disproportional that price is. |
Lex Fasces
New Eden Renegades
5
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Posted - 2012.04.15 08:29:00 -
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Hehe I too would pay a fiver a month but no more. thing is, if this succeeds then they make money, if it flops they call it a troll. Tbh garmons trolling history combined with the cheesy website really makes it reluctant for me to hand over money |
Elenor Kharne
Ergo Optima
1
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Posted - 2012.04.15 09:14:00 -
[224] - Quote
Laktos wrote: I'm not saying that video makers shouldn't be grateful to their fans. I am saying that video makers don't "owe" the community and they have the right to do with their own work what they will. Whether it be distributing it for free or charging for it. It is then the viewers choice whether to pay for it or not watch it. But these guys should not be demonised for their choice to try to turn their hard work into something profitable, especially as, as far as I am aware, they have monetised this service primarily so that they can do it full time. Would you do volunteer work full time?
The fact that eveiseasy has now been made an exclusive club only for paying members is disappointing to me as well. But they are far from the only people who are teaching solo pvp, and their way is not even necessarily the right way. A lot of the information in the eveiseasy videos are not fact, but are simply the video makers way of playing and seeing the game. There really is no right or wrong in EVE, and the fittings and tactics that are promoted in the eveiseasy videos are not a science.
So for those who want to pay to join eveiseasy, they will be able to learn these certain styles and ways of playing the game in an easily digestable format. But for the rest of us there are all the other video makers who release pvp vids, there is Kil2 and Kovorix's podcast, there is Sard Caid's Twitch TV Stream, there are blogs and guides and all the wealth of information of the rest of the eve pvp community, and above all there is personal experience, which will always remain the greatest and most sure way of learning solo pvp.
Pretty much this.
btw I am perfectly fine with your price. You want to keep this things exclusive, that's a way to make it that way. My disappointment was limited to the way it has been advertised since recently. You went from a bunch of players who are one of the best in eve and wanting to spread your knowledge, to some who use stuff they teach in marketing classes to the extremes. Which made it appear to me like the sole purpose of this is to make money. And with your reputation I thought that you weren't desperate to do this that way.
Anyway, you are free to do anything. That thread is interesting how others think about making videos.
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
2120
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Posted - 2012.04.15 10:11:00 -
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Selling anything that uses the EVE Intellectual Property for real life cash is against the rules. EVE related services can, however, be sold for ISK. I'm not going to comment on whether that will always be the case, but it is today. Just letting everyone know.
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james1122
Aperture Harmonics K162
26
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Posted - 2012.04.15 10:22:00 -
[226] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Selling anything that uses the EVE Intellectual Property for real life cash is against the rules. EVE related services can, however, be sold for ISK. I'm not going to comment on whether that will always be the case, but it is today. Just letting everyone know.
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