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Le Bon
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.03 12:39:00 -
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Ok im going to be as honest as possible.
Genuinely i would prefer a less "proffional" EVETV and to not have to pay to connect with the community in such a mannor.
You dont need make up artists and the likes, we're gamers, we dont perticulary care if your cast have pimples.
We dont need graphic artists, etc etc etc. A TV Crew, a tech guy and the cast would ultimately be all you need for a good _FREE_ TV show.
Also i dont believe the first episode had enough content or enthusiasm for me to want to warrent to pay for watching future episodes.
Im sorry if this is seen as a flame but its my genuine honest opinion.
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Callisto Ares
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.07.03 19:39:00 -
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Whats done is done, I don't expect Eve-TV to go free or ad supported anytime soon.
I simply think this was the wrong way to go about it. As others pointed out a value added content offering along with Eve should be included with your monthly subscription, just as other MMO's have done with comics.
I think some of the resentment over this has to do with a small and loyal fanbase that's already supporting the game (with one or more accounts each) feeling nickle and dimed when they see more and more added content or services requiring additional fees.
Voice support in the game could have been free built in with an API as other MMO's have done. Either way it doesn't fit MMO's as a separate subscription, Voice support is a group activity and Ventrilo/Teamspeak fill that role perfectly.
E-ON Magazine could have been free with the game as a PDF. The printed versions cost such a high premium over anything comparable they're definately not an impulse newstand type purchase, and the content as with many magazines isn't really exclusive.
Eve TV could have been free with less "pro" and more Diggnation style. The content is all community supplied short of exclusive CCP videos and info that could be support to Eve community sites, podcasts, and video podcasts (all of which any community manager should be doing).
If I had one question to ask here it'd be why has the short term goal of small profits taken precedence over the long term goal of a MMO developer to strengthen your community, keep them engaged in and out of the game, give them more value for their dollar than any other entertainment media available, and keep them coming back and telling their friends.
How much value can you place on free press and advertising? I for one don't think charging $2/play for streaming video makes up for potentially the value to the existing playerbase and potential new customers getting excited about the game and giving the trial a try because they watched Eve-TV and saw all the great things going on in the world. ____________________ Callisto Ares
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2007.07.03 21:16:00 -
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I like the idea... I watched what I could with my free credits, and it was very interesting. But personally, I hope you do not put all your important info on here. I probably will never pay unless you accept ISK. I do enjoy the dev voice blogs, as I burn them to CD and listen to the chat on my way to work.
Eve TV is not for me. Not because I'm cheap, but because I don't want yet another place to pour my cash into, even if it is a few buck per episode. Of course, MAYBE, just maybe I'd pay if you got Morgan Web to host it.... or that Karen Holt babe. I'm no geek. Well, maybe I should pay so you can afford to get the hotties, but then I've been here way to long and know there'd be a nerf of her.
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sableye
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.05 00:28:00 -
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ok I've bought credits to watch eve tv its not alot I admit and will buy credits in future but I'd prefer it if I could buy episodes I guess cause I am not gonan rewatch an episode unless its really good as it would start rakcing up the costs.
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Imas Pi
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Posted - 2007.07.05 01:25:00 -
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Is there going to be a space soap opera show? That would be neat. Hire some actors, put up a cool set representing some 0.0 station. Maybe even have a set for Jita, along the lines of Sanford and Son. Now I would pay to watch that! :)
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Ifness Investigations
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Posted - 2007.07.08 01:21:00 -
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I must consider this TV setup a missed opportunity. Of course it should be FREE of charge. Indeed: it is not very expensive- so why charge at all? Nickles and dimes work both ways.
It could have been a major boost to the community, and not only in respect to the potential player outthere.
Take it from a Dutchman- to ask for small extra fees for community services will cost you deerly in the end. Commercially spoken it would have been so much wiser to slightly raise membership fees to provide for an extra community platform(although even this would be a bad idea at this crucial stage imo).
I wish Eve all the best- it is a promising concept. I sincerely hope all the pending (game)ideas will be realized one by one. I sincerely hope the community will grow into what you hope it to be.
But as said: for the latter this TV setup is a missed opportunity.
Ifness
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Jaikar Isillia
The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.08 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ifness Investigations I must consider this TV setup a missed opportunity. Of course it should be FREE of charge. Indeed: it is not very expensive- so why charge at all? Nickles and dimes work both ways.
It could have been a major boost to the community, and not only in respect to the potential player outthere.
Take it from a Dutchman- to ask for small extra fees for community services will cost you deerly in the end. Commercially spoken it would have been so much wiser to slightly raise membership fees to provide for an extra community platform(although even this would be a bad idea at this crucial stage imo).
I wish Eve all the best- it is a promising concept. I sincerely hope all the pending (game)ideas will be realized one by one. I sincerely hope the community will grow into what you hope it to be.
But as said: for the latter this TV setup is a missed opportunity.
Ifness
Did someone say all their equipment cost 11 million dollars?
GFTO. I can see a million dollars max in a small time production such as this.
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Severun
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Posted - 2007.07.08 03:46:00 -
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I signed up it gave me 200 credits, then I watched for about 5 minutes and it told me I was out of credits.
Then it took me to a screen where I could buy 500 credits for 5$ US.
So that means in order to watch a single 40 minute show, I'd have to spend about $15.
That's kinda steep.
It also doesn't allude to the fact that you have to pay for it until you actually try to watch it.
I was interested in the content, but not enough to pay for it.
I'll pay for the game, that's enough for me.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.08 15:17:00 -
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i think it is a great idea for those who want to live eve even at downtimes and this will probably bring in more players!
good job CCP ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore
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Ifness Investigations
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Posted - 2007.07.08 15:38:00 -
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I watched both episodes last night (after my posting here) if only to make a fair (be it personal) judgement.
... err... what can I say. It is a friendly incrowd show, and I enjoyed watching it. Reminds me of my local (volunteer run) TV station (with a neglectible budget). I will not purchase more credits so I'm afraid I will miss out on the episodes to come.
Make it a free platform asap CCP. Or find other partners in these ventures. Because someone is having a laugh at the expense of the Eve community (quite literally may I add). I find it hard to take CCP management seriously at this moment. Sorry.
Ifness
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Kylania
Gallente Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.08 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jaikar Isillia Did someone say all their equipment cost 11 million dollars?
GFTO. I can see a million dollars max in a small time production such as this.
Not at all, they are renting time in a studio that cost 11 million pounds. They haven't bought any equipment. -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap | How to Build from a BPO |
Kylania
Gallente Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.08 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ifness Investigations
Make it a free platform asap CCP. Or find other partners in these ventures. Because someone is having a laugh at the expense of the Eve community (quite literally may I add). I find it hard to take CCP management seriously at this moment. Sorry.
It's actually quite expensive to run something like that, even with volunteers and low budget sets. Bandwidth alone is probably thousands of dollars. While your local access TV station can get it's signal out to everyone using existing cable lines and a single time transmission, streaming internet video, even a downloadable version, is not at all the same type of media delivery.
Do keep in mind that EVE TV isn't being made by CCP anymore, it's being produced by MMM, the guys that do the lovely E-ON magazine. -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap | How to Build from a BPO |
Tarron Sarek
Gallente Endica Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.07.08 17:04:00 -
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A short story about what happened to me yesterday: A good friend of mine payed me a visit and we sat there, talking, watching some vids on the net and stuff. He had played EVE for some months but stopped because he lacked the time necessary. Well, anyway he knows and pretty much likes the game, but at the same he's got kind of an outside point of view. So I thought why not show him EVE TV.
His reaction:"It costs money? WTF? It's basically advertisement. That's like paying for movie trailers.."
I thought I'd share that impression with the devs. Sure, all people react differently, but this is one of the possible and I might add not so unlikely reactions.
EVE TV is probably a nice feature and service for people who already enthusiastically play EVE. But IMHO it fails at being a sales promotion.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.08 18:43:00 -
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they have to have some quick returns for it, you dont expect 11 million dollars to pay off in advertising within a month do you? ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore
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Algorithm 5
Caldari Hakata Group Blade.
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Posted - 2007.07.08 20:05:00 -
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Some feedback.
Watched the show on free credits. The content didn't suck, not bad. But the connection dropped a little, this was just after the release of episode 2.
Start watching episode 2 on a few leftover credits... dropped, dropped, dropped, dropped... all the time the stream is broken the credits keep ticking down and down.
Summary: Thanks but no thanks.
I'd been ready to pay for EVE TV until it appeared that streams get choked up on release with too much demand, and I'd have to keep paying for it even while it's broken, and can only watch it between once and not at all.
Multiple stream restarts, multiple browser restarts, multiple browers, 2 operating systems, all choked up, all while ticking down the credits.
Sorry guys, it appears Jalipo hasn't improved much since the Caldari Tournement debacle, except it broke 15 seconds into the introduction animation instead of at 0%...
As an aside, if it's the bandwidth that's the killer, have you considered bit torrenting it? I see there's a pirate torret of episode 1 out there already...
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Ixianus
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Posted - 2007.07.08 20:28:00 -
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You know, I tuned in and watched and thought "Hmm, this is pretty neat." Then this little message popped up that I was running low on credits and I thought "Hmm, no way Im paying to buy 'credits.'"
Really, Id rather just have a boatload of ads rather than have to pay for it, I mean come on, YouTube is free, Stage 6 is free, and so are innumerable other random sites.
Anyone who hasnt seen the divx site go look at it by the way, amazing quality for streaming content. Using the divx codec, why dont you guys just use that and blast me with intel ads, instead of asking me to shell out to watch.
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Natalia Fachiri
Minmatar Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.07.08 20:46:00 -
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You know, I was willing to try this out...untill I saw on the page where you buy the credits that I need a credit card.
What about people without a credit card? Many many people dont have one where I am from (Germany). I wont be getting a credit card to watch EvE TV, thats too much hassle.
Provide an alternative that doesnt require a credit card and I will give EvE TV a try. If you can do it for acconut payments youshould be able to do it for other things too, right?
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Vort X
EON Order Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.07.08 20:51:00 -
[318]
The staff in EvE TV are trying their best to make a great show and by doing so, advertising EvE, respect for that. Advice: CCP should pay them, not us. Put a linky on the main page, maybe an integrated DivX player and watch your subscribers boost. It would make the difference. Ask a professional marketing team to do the research for you, if it doesn't make sense.
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.08 20:51:00 -
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I tried it and I liked it but after running out of credits I decided not to buy more. Should it be free I would watch it.
Oh, and streaming sucks. I have a 5s pause after each 30s of video. Downloads FTW!
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.08 23:05:00 -
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Edited by: Terminus adacai on 08/07/2007 23:10:56 Paying for a streaming video? No thanks. Love the game and would have been interested in the content presented. Hell, it may have encouraged Trials to go paying, or lured others to play.... The fact you are charging for it sucks.
Wanted to add that I already pay for 3 accounts. This was a move in the wrong direction, just like Charging for EON and in game voice. Maybe CCP should hire a marketing director?
Good luck
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Matthew Cooper
Minmatar Who What When Where Why and How
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Posted - 2007.07.08 23:47:00 -
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Edited by: Matthew Cooper on 08/07/2007 23:47:02
Originally by: Terminus adacai This was a move in the wrong direction, just like Charging for EON and in game voice.
Paying for a magazine? That's totally unprecedented!
Really though, it's a high quality publication.
Can't say the same about EVE-TV though, since I still refuse to watch it until there's an option other than streaming.
Originally by: Tarminic Stop posting with your alt Kieron.
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Kairi Loveless
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Posted - 2007.07.27 04:42:00 -
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Wow. This sucked. I'm glad I didn't have to pay to see what it was like. Apparently pausing the video counts as viewing it, in which your credits are getting eaten up, so... instead of getting to watch the whole episode, I got like only 5 min when I was interrupted by a phone call. So... exercise caution with the pause button... :p
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Dau Katari
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Posted - 2007.08.27 00:43:00 -
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It's a shame how much talent going into EVE TV is being wasted. The minute or so of footage was worth paying a *reasonable* amount to watch, but they shouldn't keep the meter running while the video buffers. I've never wanted an internet start-up to crash and burn until I discovered Jalipo, as I believe the business model they practice and promote borders on fraud. Besides: what could possibly be more distracting from the video itself than being reminded to "top up" for the video you thought you had already paid for before your connection faltered?
I hope you consider broadcasting via Stage 6, and covering costs with (preferably relevant) ads. I can't believe I'm saying this, but advertisements really aren't that much of a hassle.
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Sikozu Prioris
Cirrius Technologies O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.08.27 01:22:00 -
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If we paid a one time fee to watch an episode, then I would watch. Doesnt have to be a download, can still be streamed but I dont want to pay to have to watch a bit again. Once you pay for that episode at the quality you want you should be able to watch it as many times as you want. Doesnt make that much difference to profits since how many ppl are actually gunna pay to see the same thing twice?
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Tobias Lee
DMC Inc. Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.10 20:15:00 -
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cant you do a deal with ccp and just charge isk instead and get it converted to real money much like selling game cards i'm sure this would generate alot more interest from us skint or unwilling to pay even more money to watch what is gonna b a really expensive programme?
i would pay isk to watch some but not real money. as for 12 million on a studio my old college i used to work at didnt cost more than 1 million pounds to build and that was for the entire building. you wont need a studio that big for that.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.10 20:19:00 -
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EVE TV IS NOW FREE The mods need to go ahead and lock this, as it's no longer accurate. ------------ Whiners - Unite! | Posting and You Tarminic - Forum Warfare Specialist. |
ForceM
Gallente POS Builder Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 20:19:00 -
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for the love of the jovians ... stop necroing dude.
btw .. its free already
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Vasili vonHolst
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Posted - 2007.10.10 21:03:00 -
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LuL, this is about as usefull as eve playing cards.
Anyone wanna come over and play eve with cards?
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Nicho Void
Gallente Hyper-Nova
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Posted - 2007.10.10 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Koba Kyogen
Originally by: Xicon Why is there a cost for EVE TV?
there shouldn't be a cost for EVE TV, the blondie isn't even remotely hot - and the coverage is weak.
she could audition for planet of the apes
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