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Epidemis
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Posted - 2007.06.19 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Leena Raphael I'm gobsmacked, I really am.
I can't believe the amount of whingeing that's going on here. For the first time (AFAIK) an MMO is getting it's own dedicated online TV show, and all you're doing is moaning?!
Jees people, get a grip.
Why shouldn't MMM charge for this AND make a profit? They're putting work into it, they deserve to get paid. At least watch the damn free trial before stamping your feet in a hissy fit.
Saying all that, a downloadable version would be a lot better than streamed, so we could watch it anywhere & keep it.
Personally, I'm looking forward to it & good luck to everyone at EVE TV.
Let people have their own opinion, god know's they are right :P
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Kornel
Minmatar Alfa Corporation Rough Necks
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Posted - 2007.06.19 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Kornel What we have here? 2,5M ..3,5 with house and ability to shoot on HiEnd movie level. I forgot to mention - all this goodies, all this quality do not be seen, because we all will see 250kbit or 500 kbit translation.
Or, you hire the 11M pound studio, like they said. Not build it, like they never said.
I mean, that hiring 11M studio is much more expensive, that hiring 0,5 M studio - and this is not good explanation of big expenses to be covered. Its good explanation of bad management, or fact, that someone will make gooood money on this. Maybe EVE-TV hire studio from friend? If they CAN explain, WHAT they use and WHY they need so expensive set, I will eat my hat w/o salt.(notify - "O, we need it for awesome quality!" is not good enougth) Or... they hire little corner in this facility, for small money.... but why they tell us about 11m set and big expenses in this case? I do not like such attitude... it smells... Empire High Sec research service! |
Tykari
Gallente Imperium Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.19 22:43:00 -
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I liked EvE TV alot during the past Alliance Tournaments and I have been looking forward to the weekly show. Of course having to pay for it does complicate matters.
Now I can say that for me that the first free show will be the deciding factor. If it's a fantastic show and there aren't any streaming issues, I'll likely end up watching it. I just wish there were more payment options then only credit cards because that is what causes the complications for me. And seeing that's an issue with Jalipo I don't see that changing anytime soon.
------ In my memories is still see the waves. The light and the energy pulsing, forming shapes so complex and beautiful. It is a tale none will ever believe. |
Ja'kar
Vendetta Underground
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Posted - 2007.06.19 22:51:00 -
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$8 a month ontop of what I pay for eve is too much for the game. I would rather put that money into something else...
But thats just me
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Atreus Minmatarius
Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.06.19 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Atreus Minmatarius on 19/06/2007 22:59:33 oh great, another thing that nobody asked for and that most of EvE players will never use. Just like the voice thingy. You are a game company, stick to that till the product is the best that it can be. Instead spend those money for hirings of more staff, devs and technicians and better hardware.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.19 23:13:00 -
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EveTV was a fun EVE related distraction when it first covered the Tourny. Since then, the fun of it has slowly dripped away, the technology of it has gradually gotten worse (WTF was with that awful client during the 2006 Tourny?), and now there's a price tag.
If it wasn't streaming, I'd consider paying for it, but I certainly would never pay for streamed video. Ridiculous.
And I honestly don't see why you need an ú11 million studio for a program like this- the production values were fine when you were recording it in the CCP facilities...it doesn't have to be HDTV ready, FFS (specially if it's gonna be streamed). Keep the price low-to-non-existent by keeping the costs down. for a product that most wouldn't dream of paying for, it's pretty vital. --------
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Kornel
Minmatar Alfa Corporation Rough Necks
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Posted - 2007.06.19 23:31:00 -
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Yea, why CCP do not want to establish their own small studio, even HDV based to recieve better picture when downsampling to inet formats, hire 3-5 men to do job, and do same for nothing? Mention - it will be great advertising to whole project and bring more subscribers.. and keep old one. So CCP will be paid for such project.. just not so directly. Imagine, how pride players will be, when they will tell friends, that they play mmorg with their own, constant TV show!
Now its look like someone want to make money using good brand and fans base. Empire High Sec research service! |
Lorieen
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Posted - 2007.06.19 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Xicon We have teamed up with Jalipo, who has done a stunning job working in consultation with Adobe to bring to life the best rich-media experience you can get on the web, using an embedded Flash 9 player in the EVE TV website (www.eve-online.tv).
Didn't CCP learn from last yr mess up with the championships not to bother with Jalipo and embedded flash player?
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Kwint Sommer
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Posted - 2007.06.19 23:38:00 -
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For $1 I can download and own a copy of an episode of what Time called last years Best Drama and certainly my favorite show Battlestar Galactica from itunes which has a sound record.
For $1.91 I can stream 1 time and 1 time only an episode of what sounds like a flashy version of Podded from a source that I remember screwing up the last alliance tournament broadcast.
Even if I were getting a permanent copy from a reliable source it still costs twice what Battlestar Galactica does and I doubt it will have twice the quality of the award winning BSG.
Why can't you guys just get four or five Dev's to do a weekly Podded style podcast and charge a quarter to cover the overtime? We aren't expecting the equivalent of the evening news for the EVE world with all the flashy graphics and expensive sets. We just want a few words about 0.0 politics, a quick summary of the dev blogs and an interesting interview or two. I was happy with Podded.
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cioran wyborowa
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Posted - 2007.06.19 23:48:00 -
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Kornel has the right idea. I have no idea what eve tv is, but will probably check it out (if I can download the eps especially). I like to know whats going on and reading dusty old blogs is boring as hell. But seriously, 11 million dollar studio? Pro makeup artists? Considering what normal people do on sites like youtube with im sure much less budget, could it not have been offered for free without the studio?
Is eve tv about content, or fluff? Hire some hot 19 year old to read the news, throw in some captured video of popular events and get some important players on webcams to debate tactics or whatever. Now once again, I have no idea what your going for here with eve tv but if its just gonna be another revenue stream - well thats a poor motivation for anything creative.
ps you have to pay for ingame vent? per minute?!?!
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Cadien Cybernetics
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Posted - 2007.06.19 23:59:00 -
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Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 20/06/2007 00:35:05 Well, I was very excited to hear about weekly EVETV and really looked forward to it. However.. streaming and Jalipo pretty much rules this out for me. Maybe the free trial will change my mind, but I doubt it. Spending so much money on production for what's basically a kind of video fanzine seems a bit disproportionate to me. Why not start out smallish and increase your investment over time? Actually players weren't asked what they'd prefer, and I think that's the main problem.
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Ozstar
Naughty 40 Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.20 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: zykerx i wont pay for it either, and sofar havent seen somone i know who will pay forit
well s**t, MMM could have saved themselves alot of time and money if they had just asked you whether the idea would succeed.
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia It¦s still very ackward reading threads about 'how to ride eris'
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.20 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer For $1 I can download and own a copy of an episode of what Time called last years Best Drama and certainly my favorite show Battlestar Galactica from itunes which has a sound record.
For $1.91 I can stream 1 time and 1 time only an episode of what sounds like a flashy version of Podded from a source that I remember screwing up the last alliance tournament broadcast.
Even if I were getting a permanent copy from a reliable source it still costs twice what Battlestar Galactica does and I doubt it will have twice the quality of the award winning BSG.
Why can't you guys just get four or five Dev's to do a weekly Podded style podcast and charge a quarter to cover the overtime? We aren't expecting the equivalent of the evening news for the EVE world with all the flashy graphics and expensive sets. We just want a few words about 0.0 politics, a quick summary of the dev blogs and an interesting interview or two. I was happy with Podded.
Very good comparison. Makes me cry sad emo tears, though --------
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Ayari
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.06.20 00:13:00 -
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Edited by: Ayari on 20/06/2007 00:13:19 Edited by: Ayari on 20/06/2007 00:12:56 I don't mind paying as long as I get to watch the show whenever I want. In the age of TiVo, I should not have to be in front of my PC on a certain day and time to catch the show, especially when it would be so easy to keep it as a pay download.
I was really looking forward to this, but the implementation means that I'd have to schedule a time to watch it. If you offered it as a pay download, you could keep it in rotation for a week, which means the server load would be less, because that 45 minutes of streaming per user would be spread across the week.
I have no problems paying, but you really need to make it accessible to everyone, no matter what their timezone or personal schedule.
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Hermia
HIVE O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.06.20 00:52:00 -
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After the last showing of eve tv its fantastic how fast CCP have driven forward with this. In no other game does TV feel more appropriate or relevant than one where politics reins the dominant consideration.
Politics aside, simply communicating the depth of gameplay has been notoriously hard and not easily accessible, eve-tv should change that.
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MotherMoon
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Posted - 2007.06.20 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Hermia After the last showing of eve tv its fantastic how fast CCP have driven forward with this. In no other game does TV feel more appropriate or relevant than one where politics reins the dominant consideration.
Politics aside, simply communicating the depth of gameplay has been notoriously hard and not easily accessible, eve-tv should change that.
other than than the fact that no one will watch it
and the fact that pay per minate untill your computer crashing and pay all over again
or the connection dies
pr minate? sounds like a cell phone text service
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Marodi Julita
Sublime Captial Investments
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Posted - 2007.06.20 03:00:00 -
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CCP, since you like to endorse things. Make a Quafe drink. I would buy it.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.06.20 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Marodi Julita CCP, since you like to endorse things. Make a Quafe drink. I would buy it.
They did so back in 2004. Wikipedia has a picture. Apparently it tastes like 7-up. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
Ruffio Sepico
Minmatar Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.06.20 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Marodi Julita CCP, since you like to endorse things. Make a Quafe drink. I would buy it.
They used to sell Quafe at the eve store -)
Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
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keiichi chan
Caldari BORG Kollektiv BORG Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.20 06:46:00 -
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I just say two words to all here... Look here!
That's the best Solution.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hade wade dude da~
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Z3r0n
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Posted - 2007.06.20 07:40:00 -
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Edited by: Z3r0n on 20/06/2007 07:41:45
Quote: Imagine, how pride players will be, when they will tell friends, that they play mmorg with their own, constant TV show!
Now its look like someone want to make money using good brand and fans base.
OMG i so agree!!
I just can't understand how it can be that i can watch thousands and thousands of hours of streaming videos on youtube or even whole tv-shows on TV-links for free but with CCP where i already pay 30 dollars a month for my accounts i am asked to pay an extra 2$ per view - but actually it's even worse... i have to pay BY EFFING MINUTE! If i at least could like "buy" the episode so i could download or re-stream it as often as i liked then i might think about it... thou even then i doubt i'd pay... i mean guys for 2$ i can rent a movie for 24h and watch it 10 times or for 15$ a month i can get thousands of TV programs that i can i can record AND have a far better quality then the rubish from jalipo.
i'd really like to hear a response from Xicon or Xyliana about the 7 pages of people saying they are unwilling to pay for this and that we actually don't give a rats ass about "going pro" and we won't pay you for it.
anything? are you even reading the reactions of the ppl you are trying to leech money off?
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David Bonesaw
Gallente Panta-Rhei Event-Horizon
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Posted - 2007.06.20 08:13:00 -
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I'm willing to pay for the show but the ability to pay only with a credit card excludes me as a customer. Get some Direct debit service as its implemented in subscription extension and i will pay
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EVETV Xyliana
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Posted - 2007.06.20 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Skakkee did you use to have pink hair and play a Cleric a few years ago Xyliana ?
yes. Prydwen.
EVE TV Website
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EVETV spiralJunkie
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Posted - 2007.06.20 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: EVETV Xyliana
Originally by: Skakkee did you use to have pink hair and play a Cleric a few years ago Xyliana ?
yes. Prydwen.
I also had pink hair. It was a way to get free itams in UO _
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Nnyarlathotep
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Posted - 2007.06.20 08:23:00 -
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YouTube ftw.
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Templer Relleg
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.06.20 08:27:00 -
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So.. MMM Publishing. Being silent isn't exactly gonna help this case.
How about speaking to us? Seems like just about everybody agrees on one thing: STREAMING IS BAD!! Mkay?
Streaming should be free. Downloadable should cost. Simple as that.
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SN3263827
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.06.20 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Z3r0n I just can't understand how it can be that i can watch thousands and thousands of hours of streaming videos on youtube or even whole tv-shows on TV-links for free
If you can't understand the difference between an advertising-supported service and a subscription service then there really isn't any point talking to you.
I suspect, though, that you're being deliberately obtuse.
Quote: but with CCP
Not CCP. It being a separate charge is precisely for the reasons people have complained unjustifiably earlier in the thread. If the production cost of EVETV came out of monthly game time subscriptions it would eat into game development, server upgrade, and other support budgets. It being separate means that those willing to pay can pay and those unwilling suffer no ill effect.
Quote: i'd really like to hear a response from Xicon or Xyliana about the 7 pages of people saying they are unwilling to pay for this and that we actually don't give a rats ass about "going pro" and we won't pay you for it.
There will be a Dev blog/Q&A in which, knowing Xyl, she will address as many concerns of the community as she can. She has even said so in this thread if you'd care to read it.
A lot of the issues raised have already been discussed with the playerbase through ad hoc skype conversations, and believe me Xyliana is aware of the concerns with the method s of viewing/payment available. I won't go into to much detail because I don't want to misinform.
There are valid concerns with the Jalipo system concerning payment, but not quite what you are all bleating on about. _____________________________________________
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Cuisinar
Gallente Artificial Horizons YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.06.20 08:42:00 -
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Im also not interested in this service. Mutch like eve voice.
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EVETV Sapateiro
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Posted - 2007.06.20 08:45:00 -
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Just to stress that EVE TV has not invested ú11m in building a studio. EVE TV is hiring a studio that has had ú11m spent on it. A lot of time was spent looking for a suitable studio, and the one we chose was nearby, fully-equipped, reasonably priced and the guy in charge is a gamer... not an EVE fan, sadly, but we're working on that.
We haven't gone out and hired people just to justify charging a high price. We've hired people who are necessary to making a quality broadcast. Many people are working on a volunteer basis, some aren't - but the point is that regardless of how much is spent, EVE TV, like EVE itself, is a commercial entity, whose existence can only be justified by an ability to make some kind of profit in the long term. (Much as that pains me to say all this, being a pinko lefty socialist hippy an' all).
EVE TV will cost money to watch. To begin with it will be pay-per-view. That may well change in the future. There could be a subscription model. There could be payable downloads. It could be about having 'premium' content and reduced fee content.... Whatever develops, unless EVE TV can secure enough advertising to subsidise fees (which might be possible, we'll see), EVE TV will not be free to watch, except for the live PvP Tournament coverage.
Thanks
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EVETV Xyliana
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Posted - 2007.06.20 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Z3r0n Edited by: Z3r0n on 20/06/2007 07:45:14 Edited by: Z3r0n on 20/06/2007 07:41:45
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i'd really like to hear a response from Xicon or Xyliana about the 7 pages of people saying they are unwilling to pay for this and that we actually don't give a rats ass about "going pro" and we won't pay you for it.
anything? are you even reading the reactions of the ppl you are trying to leech money off?
As the thread has said from the beginning that we are launching and that we will be looking into alternatives. Watch for free on Saturday and ANY player can come to me with suggestions and feedback on the production side of the show because ultimately the style and look of the show I am aiming to please the community on that front. You can tune in and ask questions on the dev live blog and on our open discussion radio show on split infinity radio this saturday.
As for streaming and things of that nature there are many directions this can go and there are honest intentions once we get things out there. The reason for coming right out and saying (at the start of this thread) was to get it out there and if people need to unload some steam before than actually see the show then okay but I do hope you tune in, get your free 200 credits and hit up the EVETV forums.
EVE TV Website
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