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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:24:00 -
[61]
Personally I'll just wait for someone to throw them up on YouTube.
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Cikster
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:37:00 -
[62]
Since we have the price for how much the 1 Mb version of the weekly show is I decided to calculate how much it would cost to watch the next PVP Tournament and the numbers are ...
If we say that it¦s 6 hours per day * 3 days then watching it all would be 54 $
If we say that it¦s 8 hours per day * 3 days then watching it all would be 72 $
With those numbers I think i¦ll skip it. |
Templer Relleg
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:44:00 -
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I will watch it. The price is not THAT high. But still.
What the breaking point me for tho is that its only streaming. Im angry about that. What about us who like to bring episodes of whatever to the gym on our mp3 players?
What if we just cant stand flash? What about Silverlight client instead?
If no, at LEAST just let us be able to stream it in our favorite media player.
The Jalipo client RUINED the last pvp tournament. I dont wanna have that happen to evetv.
Also the "New player experience" part of the show seems rather stupid. Should i pay to watch that?
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Tetsujin
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:56:00 -
[64]
so these new people, these "presenters" are actors?
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Cergorach
Amarr The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:58:00 -
[65]
Good initiative, if i like it i'll tune in every week! Good luck and have fun ;-)
ps. a 720p or 1080i h264 file would make me a very happy camper
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Anwylyd Al'Vos
Minmatar United Anti-Enheduanni Front
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:58:00 -
[66]
Heh... streaming for the suck... usually at work or sleeping during dt anyway, I'll just play the game (which I pay for 2 accounts on already) when I get home like I usually do...
If you do decide to make it download able as well, I will gladly purchase it... gl guys.
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Treelox
Amarr Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2007.06.18 21:00:00 -
[67]
jalipo and only in a streaming format.....
really turns me off to the whole idea, tbh. Will still give the free trial a look, but i dont see me contining to subscribe to the stream after that. -- http://www./sigs/Treelox/sig.png [orange]signature removed (change the zombie gagging sig) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected] |
Tarkan Kador
Amarr PanTarkan Kador Holdings
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Posted - 2007.06.18 21:04:00 -
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Nobody I know watched EVE TV when it was free. I'm thinking they might share my perspective that EVE TV's premise was rather dumb. We use our free time playing EVE, not watching interwebs broadcasts about EVE.
Maybe for the 5% of folks who are actually engrossed in things EVE-TV worthy, it might be nice. |
AceOfSpace
Pineapple Blunder
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Posted - 2007.06.18 21:13:00 -
[69]
If it's a weekly thing I don't see why it can't be a nice downloadable avi or something
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Hajink
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Posted - 2007.06.18 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Gone'Postal Why in hell...
You have smegloads of already paying players screaming at you to fix bugs, the server side lag and other ingame content.. so you guys come up with... Pay per view!..
Do you even believe what you type? Do you honestly think MMM - an independant magazine publisher - has anything to do with the development of EVE online? This isn't being made by CCP.
Secondly, even if it was being made by CCP, do you think that the programmers (the guys who fix the bugs) would be taken off this and assigned to ******* broadcasting duty? What planet do you live on?
Quote: Last time I bothered watching Eve TV there was a short fat kid doing smeg all, the stream was up and down more times then a hooker and there was more adverts then the content advertised.
I'll watch the "free" one of course however to see if you have improved things but pay for the rest.. fat chance.
Afford to pay it yes.. but your product has been going downhill for a while and while you appear to be dropping TQ support for a card game, a TV show and giving us the ability to "walk around". I'd rather pay for the upgrades to the software at this rate.
Again, CCP is NOT making this. Programmers do not make card games. Programmers to not make TV programs. Throwing cash at a problem doesn't simply make it vanish into thin air, otherwise the UK NHS would be the best health service in the world. Think before you type next time as you clearly have no idea how a company actually works. Departments? Skill sets?
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Originally by: EVETV Xyliana All these questions your welcome to ask in the Live Dev blog
You missed the point where you have to PAY for that **** as well....
Except that EVE-Voice is STILL FREE. Have you actually made a single valid point in this thread yet?
Quote: Extensive tests's WTF... did you even see last years... **** even winterblink made a comic for how stupid and **** poor it was.. it's also harder to save and make a torrent//utube the dam thing..
The tourney was a ****-up and I don't think anyone will disagree. The difference with this is that it isn't live, so there won't be such an omgwtf server strain. Also, the whole point of making it PPV is so you can't torrent/youtube it, otherwise they wouldn't make any money to cover the running costs so it would be shut down.
Quote: Pathetic.
You summed up your post perfectly.
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Hellspawn01
Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.18 21:23:00 -
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Will we get a guarentee that it wont end up in a lag fest like the alliance tournament?
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Cergorach
Amarr The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.18 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tarkan Kador Nobody I know watched EVE TV when it was free. I'm thinking they might share my perspective that EVE TV's premise was rather dumb. We use our free time playing EVE, not watching interwebs broadcasts about EVE.
Maybe for the 5% of folks who are actually engrossed in things EVE-TV worthy, it might be nice.
5% 0f 200.000 players is still 10.000 folks @2$ a person that's $20k a week, $1M+ a year... I think EveTV would be estatic if 5% of the player base tuned in every week.
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Level4
Minmatar Red Frog Investments Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.18 21:30:00 -
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Hi,
Despite all the negative opinions in here, i will be watching. EveTV has come a long way from where it started, they even gave us the opportunity to show our video making skills in previous tournaments.
Despite the limitations of the technology, i think EveTv is a great concept. As long as players can continue to contribute to it, i think its worth watching.
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Tar om
Minmatar Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.18 21:39:00 -
[74]
I hope they don't use the same bunch of muppets as last time. I've still got the full quota of pay as you credit with them! I tried the free trial, bought the subscription and boom! You'll have to persuade me that this will be vastly different (including changing all the presenters) -- We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net
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Nicho Void
Gallente Hyper-Nova
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Posted - 2007.06.18 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Personally I'll just wait for someone to throw them up on YouTube.
That's a surefire way of reminding CCP that they need to contact Google and ban the content from YouTube.
Smooth.
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2007.06.18 22:07:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Hajink
Do you even believe what you type? Do you honestly think MMM - an independant magazine publisher - has anything to do with the development of EVE online? This isn't being made by CCP.
No just funded by them.
Originally by: Hajink
Secondly, even if it was being made by CCP, do you think that the programmers (the guys who fix the bugs) would be taken off this and assigned to ******* broadcasting duty? What planet do you live on?
Earth nice little planet.. No the programs are taken off there job to program a client used for EVETV or does a independant magazine publisher know that much about the client they can change it ?. 11Mill for a tv studio say that number out loud for a second.. then think next time you lose a ship from lag, a bug that 11 mill could not have been spent in a better way improving the game for the rest of us and not a few players.
Originally by: Hajink
Again, CCP is NOT making this. Programmers do not make card games. Programmers to not make TV programs. Throwing cash at a problem doesn't simply make it vanish into thin air, otherwise the UK NHS would be the best health service in the world. Think before you type next time as you clearly have no idea how a company actually works. Departments? Skill sets?
NHS is far from perfect, as is eve atm imo, however i'm well aware how skill sets and departments work, and i'm aware that issues don't just vanish by giving said deptment more money, staff have to know what there changing, programming ect so it's not a case of just finding more staff either, but this to me just says hey look we have 11 mill to blow.. lets do this.
Originally by: Hajink
Except that EVE-Voice is STILL FREE. Have you actually made a single valid point in this thread yet?
ok i'll bow down and say I've not used Eve Voice, nor will I it's an old fight over eve voice and TS or vent that has it's own threads on here so no need for more wasted fights, however taking from my account page.... "Start communicating at a new level and activate your FREE 30 DAY TRIAL of the fully integrated EVE Voice." From that i'll say that 30 days free rest you pay for... if thats wrong then i'm wrong and i admit it.
Originally by: Hajink
The tourney was a ****-up and I don't think anyone will disagree. The difference with this is that it isn't live, so there won't be such an omgwtf server strain. Also, the whole point of making it PPV is so you can't torrent/youtube it, otherwise they wouldn't make any money to cover the running costs so it would be shut down.
You summed up your post perfectly.
Glad we agree on at least one point but meh, yes covering running costs is all well and good but spending that ammout of money on something that tbh won't effect Mr Jo player is imo insane, if CCP said we just spent 11Mill on new server hardware but we have to add $4 to the cost of the game i'd do it without thinking.
Oh and post with ya main.. Grow a pair will you.
these views are mine, disagree or agree with me thats fine, we are both allowed are own views, i'm not here to change yours and your not going to change mine.
Originally by: Dark Shikari Anyone comparing CCP to a glacier is really not being fair to the glacier.
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Tarkan Kador
Amarr PanTarkan Kador Holdings
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Posted - 2007.06.18 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: Tarkan Kador on 18/06/2007 22:23:59
Originally by: Cergorach
Originally by: Tarkan Kador Nobody I know watched EVE TV when it was free. I'm thinking they might share my perspective that EVE TV's premise was rather dumb. We use our free time playing EVE, not watching interwebs broadcasts about EVE.
Maybe for the 5% of folks who are actually engrossed in things EVE-TV worthy, it might be nice.
5% 0f 200.000 players is still 10.000 folks @2$ a person that's $20k a week, $1M+ a year... I think EveTV would be estatic if 5% of the player base tuned in every week.
200,000 players? You mean 200,000 accounts (slightly less than that, if I recall).
Accounts aren't people. For all we know, those less than 200,000 accounts could be played by 10,000 players. 5% of 10,000 players is 500. at $2 a person, that's $1,000 a week, $52,000 a year. Seems like a lot of work for %52,000 a year.
I'm as casual as they come, and even I have two.
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l3lind Man
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.18 22:38:00 -
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yeah there's no way im gonna pay any amount of money to watch a stream but like many others i would pay for the episodes if i could have them on my comp
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R3dSh1ft
Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.06.18 22:41:00 -
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Just to clarify for some of you, the studio is worth 11 million, they are hiring it, they did not spend 11 million. (how could you think CCP has 11 million of anything except yen to spend on eve-tv :P) _________________________________________________________
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Darpz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:00:00 -
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as much as I love the idea of the show I prolly won't be watching since I'm not going to pay money to sit at my computer to watch something and if I want to rewatch pay more money.
give us a downloadable version for 2.5 and I would be more than happy. hell you would be better off and would make alot more money if you had it just a monthly membership for 5-10 bucks a month to join and you can view past episodes, stream the current show or download in the format of your choice. Personally I loved the WMP stream because I could just point my xbox with XBMP at the stream kick back and relax.
there is no point of having a stream for a pretaped internet show and its going to hurt you in the long run because its alot more tempting to have something you can dl and play on a media extender (they are becoming alot more prevelent than you think) than to dl and watch the show in some dinky flashplayer that I can't control the size of it and can't record to watch later.
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The Gate
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:07:00 -
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Agree with most of the posters here, eve-tv is a waste of time. The quality last year was terrible with the streaming, and don't even get me started on the presenters. They were useless, making cheap jokes and generally having no clue about most ships or how to fit them.
Why would i pay to watch somebody talk about eve who has less knowledge about it than i or many others do ?
For the record, i wouldn't watch it this year if it was free, trying to make you pay for it is an insult. |
Tractormech
Caldari Axe Gang
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:19:00 -
[82]
Quote: Do you even believe what you type? Do you honestly think MMM - an independant magazine publisher - has anything to do with the development of EVE online? This isn't being made by CCP.
Secondly, even if it was being made by CCP, do you think that the programmers (the guys who fix the bugs) would be taken off this and assigned to ******* broadcasting duty? What planet do you live on?
No, but it costs CCP money. Money which could have been used hire an extra dev to work on said bugs.
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Ket Halpak
Cold-Fury Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:45:00 -
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I'm a bit sceptical about the whole credits thing, but I'm gonna give it a go and see how I like it. _ Check out my blog at RantingsofaCarebear.blogspot.com Privateers: Those who don't adapt become victims of harsh irony |
Wrayeth
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:46:00 -
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I'll jump in with the group that is very leery of the EVETV setup. With quality programming, a pay subscription might be within reason...but Jalipo? After my experience with the last alliance tournament, I have absolutely a.) no interest in anything produced by them, and b.) a burning hatred for their windowed player; I would much prefer a windows media player stream/download for ease of use, ease of resizing, option to fullscreen/window at will, and general user-friendliness.
I'll give EVE TV a try, but I expect the crappy Jalipo stream and annoying player will prevent me from doing so more than once. I find this extremely disappointing since I was really looking forward to EVE TV. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire
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Ishina Fel
Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: The Gate Why would i pay to watch somebody talk about eve who has less knowledge about it than i or many others do ?
Yeah, as long as you have yourself to listen to, you don't need to pay to hear other people talk
Seriously, all the moaners here deserve a big fat yawn. Ranting and raving as if you were forced to watch EVE-TV. Hint: it is optional. Don't watch it if you don't want to. Does it occur to you that all that posting in this thread really tells people is "aww man, I wanted to watch it so much, how dare they charge me for something I want"?
--This week's show doesn't have interesting topics? Don't tune in.
--The current show's topics turn out to be boring? Stop watching. Credits are counted by the minute, you don't pay for more than you actually stream.
--There's a topic that's the center of your interests? Tune in for the 10 minutes they talk about it, and why hello there - 50 cent well spent!
I'm going to hold it like the above. Thus I am getting interesting topics in high quality video for very reasonable amounts of the money that is mine to spend.
But one good point was made in this thread: a download option would be great. Some things (such as specific highly anticipated matches in the tournaments) are just too precious to lose to the depth of the internet. There was no DVD for the third alliance tournament, and there probably won't be one for future events... so how can we observe once more IAC's Imperial Apocalypse / Absolution duo hunting for Burn Eden's Celestis / Navy Caracal team? How can we rewatch the destruction of the most expensive ship lost in the tournament history, or witness again the grand final? EveFiles has neither of these, only the first few matches...
Please consider a download option for such important and valuable memories. It will end up costing Jalipo a lot less bandwidth if people don't stream it down for the umpteenth time just to show a friend... and that's even assuming that these videos won't be disappearing forever after three months like the footage from the third tourney did. Let me watch the stream, then let me decide if I want to download it. Even if it costs credits again, there will be instances where it's more than worth it!
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ghosttr
Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:48:00 -
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It seems nice, but without being able to download & keep the broadcasts for further viewing I don't think ill be buying.
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Jose Quevo
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:51:00 -
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The 'pay-per-view' -idea is simply put a bad marketing decision. I would vouch for either a monthly subscribtion ( 5-10Ç max. ), or a 2Ç a pop direct-to-drive download. But spending money-per-minute to view a stream?
I am not going to try - not even out of curiosity - unless CCP gives us more options. ----
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Daenethx
Gallente Fallen Angel's
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Posted - 2007.06.19 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tractormech
Quote: Do you even believe what you type? Do you honestly think MMM - an independant magazine publisher - has anything to do with the development of EVE online? This isn't being made by CCP.
Secondly, even if it was being made by CCP, do you think that the programmers (the guys who fix the bugs) would be taken off this and assigned to ******* broadcasting duty? What planet do you live on?
No, but it costs CCP money. Money which could have been used hire an extra dev to work on said bugs.
you amaze me yet again What does it cost CCP? I don't see that any money will come from CCP to the independant publisher =\
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Tonkin
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 00:29:00 -
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bleh i aint going to pay that, damn if there naked women of course i would.
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Punished
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Posted - 2007.06.19 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tonkin bleh i aint going to pay that, damn if there naked women of course i would.
And most people here wouldn't even pay for that! |
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