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Karan Hanid
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:05:00 -
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Is there really any sensible and viable reason why there are three character slots per account?
EVE is not like other MMORPGs. It takes a lot of time to achieve anything and since you cannot train two or three characters on the same account at once, everyone sticks to their "main". This leaves two slots per account that are available for creation of "alts". Now, I'll try to list all the possible uses of alts and try to find at least one that's really useful. Let's assume a player only has one account.
1. Scouting. This is horribly difficult if we assume you only have one account, however, if you frequently use a certain route through 0.0 or low sec, be it for mission running, trading, empire-to-0.0-and-back trips, you usually have a choice of two routes due to "choke point" systems, which means you can put two alts into those choke points and always know if there is a camp there or not.
Although this might be very useful, isnt this almost like a small exploit? Or at least a not-very-fair advantage? I guess ideally, in a MMO Game, you should team up with fellow players for pretty much anything. In this case you either team up with another character who will play the role of a scout and get to your destination safely or take your chances on your own and either live or die.
2. A hauler/salvager for loot from missions/ratting. This is also a bit difficult or rather very time consuming, as you have to get a bookmark, presumably drop it in a container at a planet, then relog with your alt and pick up the bm and only then can you reach the mission, where you you will have to fly to each wreck manually, because you cannot tractor beam what's not yours. For ratters, the process isnt so hard, but it is still pretty time consuming.
Personally, I doubt many people do this. It's even easier to just train your main to haul/salvage. For ratters, however, this might be the only choice. Sometimes. However, again, shouldnt you team up with other players? Since this is a MMO Game... Or at least do everything yourself.
3. High sec ganking. With the introduction of 1mil SP starting characters, it has become possible to get enough newly created characters to gank someone in high-sec with no cost, or at least very little compared to the possible gain. It is very quick and does not bear any punishment in any form, i.e. sec status or reputation. This is an exploit.
4. Corporation CEO. I guess an alt could be used simply as a CEO of corporation. I do not see the reasons behind this, but I have seen people doing this. So I guess there must be a reason. Personally, I think it wont be a big deal if people will have to list the name of the person who is really in charge in the Corporation Description.
5. Forum posting. Again, personally I dont see any reason for this whatsoever. The fact that people have the ability to post and not be identified just makes flaming and etc. more tempting, because there is no fear of losing reputation with the community or even ban. (I dont know if it is a particular character that gets banned or the account, so can someone please enlighten me?)
Overall, to be honest, I cant see any reason why we should be allowed to creat two extra characters. I feel it only leads to a loss of immersion and realism (I know this is a game, but still...) and encourages people to do all sorts of other, completely unhelpful crap... If people really need a second character to do something for them, then they probably have a second account, which is pretty fair, as that character has it's own skills and purpose and if you dont know that he is someones "alt", you can think he is an individual player. At least it does not break the immersion and realism too much.
Personally, I think there should only be one character per account.
What are your thoughts on this? What uses do you have for your "alts"? (Remember, I'm talking about "alts" as in other character slots on the same account!
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Mirven Treiss
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:09:00 -
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Another reason is that you can create two different characters with vastly different attributes and therefore flip-flop training on different skills for better results if you want to have -- say: one combat character, and one industrial character.
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Fallen Elite
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:10:00 -
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Personally, I just like to play with the character creation. =/
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Kyoi
Shuttles Dont Tank Well
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:11:00 -
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I have my main account with one main character I train and play on, I do have 2 other characters though sat in various regions if I need a price check and one of those is making this post . On my other account I have
- Industrial Alt - Cyno Alt - Scout
The majority of the training is done on the Industrial Alt while the scout just uses a shuttle or MWD'ing t1 frig and the cyno alt can use an Osprey with Cyno.
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Karan Hanid
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:13:00 -
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Edited by: Karan Hanid on 28/05/2007 20:21:08 Edited by: Karan Hanid on 28/05/2007 20:20:40 To Mirven Treiss,
I guess you could do this, but does anyone really do it? By training your alt you lose time with your main. I dont think attributes matter THAT much, unless you have a totally gimped character. You would also have to spend 1-2 months on each of the characters to just train the learning skills, because otherwise your main would probably be better in all attributes compared to any newly created character.
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The Pointless
Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:13:00 -
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Let's see, I have my Jack-of-all-trades main. Guess there's no need for an alt... Oooh! Wait! Suicide Gankers? I'd best make an alt, train Gallente Industial and take a hauler full of empty, mis-labelled cans over to them.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:19:00 -
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One guy is holding my old corporation, my brother Doctor Jones that is, and is also my contact near Jita for price checks "Clean up on Gate 4! And a Pricecheck for Alloyd bars!"
Also another reason he's in charge of my corp, but that's hushus
My other character slot is just for fun.
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Karan Hanid
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Fallen Elite Personally, I just like to play with the character creation. =/
LOL, you just reminded me!! I, too, LOVE to play with character creation tools when I get bored, creating characters and making up role play scenarios for them.
However, this is not a viable reason.
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:21:00 -
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One to play, one to sit in Jita, and one to forum spam!
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Karan Hanid
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:24:00 -
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To Sheriff Jones,
Could you please explaing why exactly do you use you alt as a CEO of you corp? Could really not use just one character for this?
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Anehra
X-Fire
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:30:00 -
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Pricechecks and/our camp certain spots in pipes, as others said.
But there's simply no reason to train several characters on the same account when you could as well train it all on one character, as someone said - the attributes won't affect that much if you will be spending time training learning on both anyway. Training learning on one (and using implants on it) should balance it up.
The only reason is to have a character in a location where you want to check something. That's it.
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Karan Hanid
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:35:00 -
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However, do you all not think that such price-checking alts are also a bit of an exploit? It kind of ruins the trading system a little bit, dont you think? I know it would be really hard to play a trader character without these price-checking alts, but still... If you are a serious trader, at least in theory, you should be a member of a trading corp, which would have a network of price-checkers. Although it is completely unrealistic that someone would sit in a station all day and stare at market prices. Plus you would have to share profit with them... But there must be a reason why CCP wont allow us to just choose the region we want in the market window just like that...
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MotoTsume
Gallente Clan Black Scorpion
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:39:00 -
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One Main to rule them all, One Alt to find them, One Alt to bring them all and in the darkness bind them In the Land of Zero-Zero where the Shadows lie.
It's just a game........Or is it?????
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MotoTsume
Gallente Clan Black Scorpion
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:39:00 -
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One Main to rule them all, One Alt to find them, One Alt to bring them all and in the darkness bind them In the Land of Zero-Zero where the Shadows lie.
It's just a game........Or is it?????
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 28/05/2007 20:42:14
Originally by: Karan Hanid To Sheriff Jones,
Could you please explaing why exactly do you use you alt as a CEO of you corp? Could really not use just one character for this?
TImeline is as follows:
Sheriff Jones creates a corporation. Another person joins this "massive" corporation. We do stuff in our lil own business. We both move to another corporation to explore the galaxy,to boldly go where either of has never gone(0.0 space). It was an offer we couldn't refuse. Doctor Jones takes over corporation to hold it until such time will/might occur that Sheriff Jones decides to assume power and begin galactic domination!
As a "clarification", i'm not in MY corporation at the moment.
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Anehra
X-Fire
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:43:00 -
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Just let all 3 train without being affected by the others training timers.
This game is old enough to not having balancing issues from that, to be honest. And most of us run several accounts anyway.. for me, that'd just give me even more option for small and fast-paced pvp (perhaps pirating) rather than using my "two mains" for it. The other 2+2 characters will never catch up or be even near the skillpoints of the current ones.
This would also solve balancing PvE/PvP issues between races. So you're pure Amarr/Minmatar and struggle in PvE? Make a Caldari/Gallente alt for PvE. They won't need much sp to be viable. So you're pure Caldaria and run missions, perhaps build your own stuff, but want more PvE viability? Make a Gallente on the same account, specialize in cruiser sized ships and drones and have some fun popping hundreds of ships.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 28/05/2007 20:42:14
Originally by: Karan Hanid To Sheriff Jones,
Could you please explaing why exactly do you use you alt as a CEO of you corp? Could really not use just one character for this?
TImeline is as follows:
Sheriff Jones creates a corporation. Another person joins this "massive" corporation. We do stuff in our lil own business. We both move to another corporation to explore the galaxy,to boldly go where either of has never gone(0.0 space). It was an offer we couldn't refuse. Doctor Jones takes over corporation to hold it until such time will/might occur that Sheriff Jones decides to assume power and begin galactic domination!
As a "clarification", i'm not in MY corporation at the moment.
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Anehra
X-Fire
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:43:00 -
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Just let all 3 train without being affected by the others training timers.
This game is old enough to not having balancing issues from that, to be honest. And most of us run several accounts anyway.. for me, that'd just give me even more option for small and fast-paced pvp (perhaps pirating) rather than using my "two mains" for it. The other 2+2 characters will never catch up or be even near the skillpoints of the current ones.
This would also solve balancing PvE/PvP issues between races. So you're pure Amarr/Minmatar and struggle in PvE? Make a Caldari/Gallente alt for PvE. They won't need much sp to be viable. So you're pure Caldaria and run missions, perhaps build your own stuff, but want more PvE viability? Make a Gallente on the same account, specialize in cruiser sized ships and drones and have some fun popping hundreds of ships.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:47:00 -
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Having played games that make you pay more for additional character slots, all I have to say to you is STFU. Thank you.
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MotoTsume
Gallente Clan Black Scorpion
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:51:00 -
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Edited by: MotoTsume on 28/05/2007 20:50:45 Here is the whole verse;
Three Alts for the Amarr under the Nebula, Seven for the Caldari-lords in their halls of steel, Nine for Mortal Minmatar doomed to die, One for the CEO in his Navy Megathron In the System of Jita where the Lag lie. One Main to rule them all, One Alt to find them, One Alt to bring them all and in the darkness bind them In the Region of Zero-Zero where the Shadows lie.
Edit:spelling
It's just a game........Or is it?????
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Wylker
Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:52:00 -
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CAoD alts tbh.
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Maria McGee
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:53:00 -
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I'd love to have even MORE character slots per account, and I'd fill them up very quick, with various industrial + trader + R&D alts.
I think most people have more than one character created, that they use for (whatever) something useful. Especially if you are a scientist (limited number of lab slots per char), or a trader (different chars in different systems, each with their own limited number of buy/sell orders) then it is VERY useful.
Anyway, its not like its would be possible for CCP to change (reduce) the amount of characters per account without a mass exodus of quitting players, no matter how much the OP would like it.
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Karan Hanid
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:56:00 -
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I didnt really mean this thread to be a message to CCP to nerf alts. I was just wandering what other people think about this and maybe I'm missing something out. I'm not a trader and I'm not a researcher. So I only use alts to make pretty faces =)
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones Doctor Jones takes over corporation to hold it until such time will/might occur that Sheriff Jones decides to assume power and begin galactic domination!
"Hey, Dr. Jones, no time for love. We've got company."
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The Pointless
Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:58:00 -
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Edited by: The Pointless on 28/05/2007 20:58:20
Originally by: Wylker CAoD alts tbh.
Not just COAD though. Many cowards hide behind an alt to insult or troll anywhere on this forum. Losers.
Originally by: Winterblink "Hey, Dr. Jones, no time for love. We've got company."
I'm not even sure what's more disturbing: That that quote made me think of the Indiana Jones films or that it reminded me of the stupid Aqua song.
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CrestoftheStars
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.05.28 21:05:00 -
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yer would be alot better if all 3 char would get sp, and you couldnt trader chars and where only allowed one account per person :)
better for the game all in all.. but people don't care about anything else then themselve ___________________________________________ Humans take everything that is beautiful and sweet and turn it into something horrifying and ugly.
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The Pointless
Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd
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Posted - 2007.05.28 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: CrestoftheStars yer would be alot better if all 3 char would get sp, and you couldnt trader chars and where only allowed one account per person :)
better for the game all in all.. but people don't care about anything else then themselve
What's that supposed to mean? (You know, you remind me of some Dutch kid that I'm constantly in disagreement with on another site.)
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Draconyx
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Posted - 2007.05.28 21:21:00 -
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Let say you have a main and it spends its entire life in 0.0.
But ocassionly you want to go mine or do some missions or just generally do something else not affiliated with your current life in 0.0
Now one character per account means you have to get a whole other account to do that. But if you have 3 per account it means you can create that secondary to do something else.
Yes you are taking time away from another character to train but that is a choice you make. And for some after several years they could care less about a few months of training someone else.
The bottom line what is the BENEFIT to the community to removing those 2 slots ? And what will be the COST for removing them. What will people lose. That is the bottom line as it is already in the game and everyone is used to them. So it comes down to why should they be removed not why should they stay.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.05.28 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: The Pointless
Originally by: CrestoftheStars yer would be alot better if all 3 char would get sp, and you couldnt trader chars and where only allowed one account per person :)
better for the game all in all.. but people don't care about anything else then themselve
What's that supposed to mean? (You know, you remind me of some Dutch kid that I'm constantly in disagreement with on another site.)
Dutch > you. Learn it.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.28 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: The Pointless I'm not even sure what's more disturbing: That that quote made me think of the Indiana Jones films or that it reminded me of the stupid Aqua song.
That's just wrong. But a mashup of the song + footage from the Indy flicks would be really hilarious. :)
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