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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.05.28 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: The Pointless
Originally by: Winterblink "Hey, Dr. Jones, no time for love. We've got company."
I'm not even sure what's more disturbing: That that quote made me think of the Indiana Jones films or that it reminded me of the stupid Aqua song.
Funny thing is, when i was making Doctor Jones, it was just to make a more scientific Jones family member.
NEver even thought about what the connections could be
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sableye
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.28 21:28:00 -
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you forgot about cyno alts and research alts.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.05.28 21:31:00 -
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-5 and lower tend to have a hauler alt and/or a player with the same spaceship command skills so that they can buy stuff in empire and bring them to lowsec. Not sure how many have a separate account for this. I'm below -5 myself, but I don't nearly ever need to visit empire.
Corporation CEOs are even more viable now, because of the wonderful 800k SP starting. My CEO alt has Corporation Management 5 among other corporation skills that allow me to have a large amount of people in my corporation. (She's not currently in use...)
My other slot is my scout, who will scout for my other accounts/characters in a shuttle. He has a funny name. :)
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Malcanis
High4Life Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.28 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Karan Hanid To Sheriff Jones,
Could you please explaing why exactly do you use you alt as a CEO of you corp? Could really not use just one character for this?
(1)Saves a few days training, since you can start an alt with corp management V. That's a week's training for me that I'd rather put into skills I want to use every day.
(2) means you can move your main into another corp for a while without disbanding your corp.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.28 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: The Pointless Let's see, I have my Jack-of-all-trades main. Guess there's no need for an alt... Oooh! Wait! Suicide Gankers? I'd best make an alt, train Gallente Industial and take a hauler full of empty, mis-labelled cans over to them.
lets do it together - i would enjoy this ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.05.28 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis (1)Saves a few days training, since you can start an alt with corp management V. That's a week's training for me that I'd rather put into skills I want to use every day.
Hehe, that's actually a funny point as i could've gotten corp man V nowadays. But Doc Jones was a mainly research etc character, so i had to pause Sheriff to get corp management to get it transferred
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Lidana
Gallente Orion Holdings Incorperated
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Posted - 2007.05.28 22:02:00 -
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It has to be said the original question might have some validity from a historical point of view of why cpp done things like that, but from a pratical point of view nothing can be changed now, because it would involve one of the following two scenarios and responces
1) CPP announce that in a weeks time 2 of the characters on each account will be deleted, pick which one you want to keep. Result: Whine fest from all the players with existing alts, cpp reverse the decision.
2) CPP announce that new players only get one slot, existing alts are retained. Result: Whine fest from all the players without existing alts, cpp reverse the decision.
See the trend
Lidane
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Leonardo Sabrioski
Caldari Aydin Tech
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Posted - 2007.05.28 22:05:00 -
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My setup:
first account: 1 combat pilot/ secondary: industry 1 hauler alt 1 scout/hauler
second account: 1 industrial pilot/ secondary: combat 1 cyno/research alt/scout 1 cyno/research alt/scout
This way... I can have 1 scout and 1 main/hauler with me at all times so non-of my valuable assets are touched
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Lady Lanslock
Gallente Sell or Bust Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.05.28 22:10:00 -
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There is a point to having multiple chars on same account because you can optomize attributes for roles.
E.g. training an indy char and a combat char will take less overall time than training a single char in both roles.
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Elspeth Vigneron
Caldari Phoenix Logistics Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.28 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mirven Treiss Another reason is that you can create two different characters with vastly different attributes and therefore flip-flop training on different skills for better results if you want to have -- say: one combat character, and one industrial character.
I've done that. I find you can have multiple characters that are worthwhile; though only one per account be truly "great." Like my miner, after I got to to Exhumers IV, there wasn't much point in training up the mining character. He's very skewed, ability wise, to mining/industrial So I made an alt to trade. She's better at trading, as an alt, than he is due to character creation choices. And once you've gotten the Caldari mission runner to where she can watch TV while cruising through Level IV's, then it's time to split training time with the Minmater PvP/Ratter specialist...
Now, if I had my way, I'd be able to TRAIN all three. But I don't get my way. Still, I can make a couple of viable specialized-characters per account. Phoenix Logistics Industries |
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Byzan Zwyth
Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.28 23:01:00 -
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I kinda wish you could only make 2 chars but both could skilltrain
then people would have to make trial accounts to alt post on forums = not trial accounts on forums. solved ---------------------- Rank: Tech 1 and a 1/2 cannon fodder
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DaveW
Caldari South Park Development
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Posted - 2007.05.29 01:44:00 -
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Filthy Pierre
Gallente Laughing Fox Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.05.29 06:05:00 -
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What he said!
If you manufacture items/copy or sell BPO/BPCs, then you set your alts up to have high research skills. This enables you to run up to 18 research slots running concurrently with no effort as opposed to a maximum of six using just the main. (This assumes you don't want to pay a *lot* more for the book that enables a character to run even more slots.)
Another use of alts is that the hauler/trader/buyer alt enables certain pirates to pretend that they never, ever, carebear while hypocritically condemming all others for ever daring to do so. (I don't think I've ever known a pirate so hardcore that that he lives *only* on what he gets from his kills! ..or that it's even doable without 'carebearing')
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CaosSpinner
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Posted - 2007.05.29 06:49:00 -
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To the OP, when EVE went gold the reasion for multiple alts was that the cost of clones, It took months to get just to 1 mil sps and the cost of the clone was as much as cruser (which it also took months to earn the isk) so by seperating the points by creating a fighter, a mfg, a miner you divded the cost by 3.
Of course now days clones are cheep, that was not always the case.
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.05.29 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Karan Hanid Is there really any sensible and viable reason why there are three character slots per account?
I haven't read all the replies but here is my reason:
I have two accounts. The first has my main. The second has my hauler, my pirate and my scout. Once my pirate has enough skill (yeah right) and if I ever decide I don't want to pay for two accounts anymore (i.e. if mining is nerfed more) I might transfer my hauler and the pirate to my first account. So I can carebear, pirate and steal ore (with the hauler) all on one account. --
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RaTTuS
BIG Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.29 10:23:00 -
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1) Science Alt do do lots of research [RPM 4 is quicker to get on an alt than RPM5 on the main], and I find that I run out of reseach slots too fast. 2) production Alt - Advanced Mass Production is very useful for a builder 3) hauler Alt - 4) cyno Alt - 5) sales alts - Of cause the can be all on the main but if you have the relevent skills at 5 already there is nowhere to go, so train the alt.
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Leonardo Sabrioski
Caldari Aydin Tech
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Posted - 2007.05.30 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Elspeth Vigneron
Originally by: Mirven Treiss Another reason is that you can create two different characters with vastly different attributes and therefore flip-flop training on different skills for better results if you want to have -- say: one combat character, and one industrial character.
I've done that. I find you can have multiple characters that are worthwhile; though only one per account be truly "great." Like my miner, after I got to to Exhumers IV, there wasn't much point in training up the mining character. He's very skewed, ability wise, to mining/industrial So I made an alt to trade. She's better at trading, as an alt, than he is due to character creation choices. And once you've gotten the Caldari mission runner to where she can watch TV while cruising through Level IV's, then it's time to split training time with the Minmater PvP/Ratter specialist...
Now, if I had my way, I'd be able to TRAIN all three. But I don't get my way. Still, I can make a couple of viable specialized-characters per account.
Uhm youforget to take into account learning skills. To max them out (all learning to level 5 and all advancted to 4) takes around a month. Now if you're willing to do this on every single character go for it. However its not very efficient. Also you're forgetting about implants. If you're rich enough you might be able to get a set of +4s for one character. But the rest of the characters on that account will suffer because of the lack of implants and we'll be training "less efficiently" as your main.
I usually just give my alts a day of training time/maybe less. And provide full training for my 2 mains. ----------------------------------------------
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SawMan
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Posted - 2007.08.23 04:50:00 -
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wow i must really be a loser... i have 3 accounts.. 1. miner/hauler/trader scout syno
2.. miner/syno scout
3... pvp jita price checker hauler..
throw away alts are nice scouts... and never have enugh cyno/s i used to mine with 3 acounts.. one perma tank and the other to mine.haul but.. now i trade and i need people to haul and check prices in diff reighons with out having to move... thanks :P and ps... Karan Hanid... your a noob use your character slots...
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Filthy Pierre
Gallente Laughing Fox Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.08.23 05:32:00 -
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Actually, I'd *love* to see us all be reduced to one character per account. It'd make for a better game for all of us.
I never could figure why CCP came up with the concept of a character's security status and then went on to undermine it by allowing people to freely sidestep it all the time by using alts.
I know I'd think twice before I podded a given asshat under those circumstances...
FP
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Daelin Blackleaf
No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2007.08.23 05:53:00 -
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As has been implied there is little point to the extra slots on your main account since most of us want to maximize the potential of our main (though industrial and combat stat characters works well for some it seems) however on your second account it allows you to train up multiple low sp chars for various functions, science, industry, trade, etc and of course the added benefit of having 2-3 cyno chars to jump to allowing you to make multiple jump trips solo a lot quicker than usual in a cap ship.
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.23 05:58:00 -
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Trade alt, scout alt. ---
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Anglo
Minmatar Astral Mexicans
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Posted - 2007.08.23 06:37:00 -
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i have 4 acounts. one acount is filled with cyno alts. and on the others theres also mains, pirat alts, industirel mains, builders. the list goes on... u cant train more than one caracter at a time because ccp need you to buy more acounts. simple.
buy more acounts.
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Anglo
Minmatar Astral Mexicans
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Posted - 2007.08.23 06:38:00 -
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hell i know a guy who have 7 miner acounts.. he makeas ALOT of isk when he loads all 7 of em and mine in belts..
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Zeonos
Amarr Fairtrade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.08.23 08:04:00 -
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well guess the main point for most is to have one in each region to check on market and such.
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Sister Aika
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Posted - 2007.08.23 08:11:00 -
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What's else would I use this Alt for then to spam the forums ?
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Hanrasen Nia
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Posted - 2007.08.23 08:13:00 -
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Don't know about you, but I have 3 characters in use on all my accounts.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.08.23 08:23:00 -
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one main (stopped training), another soon-to-be-main. -
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Delusion 'Fel
Minmatar Nefarious Ratiocinations Zzz
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Posted - 2007.08.23 08:52:00 -
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Heres the set up ive got. Basically on primary account i sacrificed 2 weeks of training to build up some additional manufacturers for the extra slots. Second account is purely an "alt" alt account, and as with my primary, the researchers will probably be pushed into manufacturing or something for yet more build slots at some point.
account 1: Primary char. Scout/Price check/manufacturer. Scout/Price check/manufacturer.
account 2: Hauler/miner. Research alt. Research alt.
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J'Mkarr Soban
Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.23 09:21:00 -
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Originally, you could train on all three characters at the same time. That was when they were useful, and you could indeed have true 'alternate characters' instead of throw-aways.
Now they are used purely for meta-gaming, and nothing else. I don't like meta-gaming at all, but if someone pays for another account to do that, fair enough on them. Providing everyone with free meta-gaming.
I have never seen a game so prevalent in meta-gaming as Eve, and it makes me sad.
Meta-gaming ftl, tbh.
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Nihn Lemai
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Posted - 2007.08.23 10:13:00 -
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I have only one account with one character. Its a minmatar sebiestor so the attributes are very balanced. When setting out the points I made them as close to each other as I could, except charisma.
Now Ive trained all learning skills to lvl 5 and the advanced ones to lvl 4.
I think that with those skills I can train both industrial and combat quicker than having two characters (each with specialized attributes but no learning skills) training separate skill trees.
And then we have the issue that I like to emerge myself in the game us much as I can. "Omg, were under attack? Wait, ill just switch to my combat character" dont like.
As far as I am concerned, they can limit us to one character per account.
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