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Galavet
Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.19 20:43:00 -
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I am not sure if the saying is global or not, so I will sum it up. If you needlessly shout for help, and those who show up find out you're simply lying, they will be less apt to show up when you really need it.
HC has cried wolf for the last eight weeks. Since the end of your operation ôBenny Hill Beachheadö waged in TPAR, the front line of the battle has been pushed through Paragon Soul, ever closer towards AZN. Yet HC continues to dish out the same tired lines to the masses, preaching of big plans and the death of BoB. Your men are starting to see past the pretty painting you hold in front of them, and see the real battlefield that is behind it. So far over 800 hobbits have seen the light and chosen to vacate rather than wait to be led like sheep to the slaughter.
Just to further illustrate my point, this is how ASCN HC plans it (DS1 gets the credit for this one):
Quote: We will go on a major offensive on EU TZ starting Friday or maybe Saturday depending on a few things.
Be ready for Bob pwnage Saturday 19:00, the operation will continue for 4 consecutive days ending Tuesday
And this is how the ASCN grunts see it:
Quote: That means we have to create gangs, and with the recent loss of ships, nobody joins any gang if there's no official FC or HC in it. I'd love to be able to roam an kill stuff, people are just too much afraid imho
John McCreedy and Cyvok, I am saying this directly to youà People do not enjoy being lied to, and they show their displeasure by leaving your side. So when it matters the most for ASCN, when everything you have worked to build is collapsing all around you and the big bad wolf is sitting on your front porch who will remain to hear your cries for help? Make another three-hour audio recording, hell write another one of your morale boosting novels if you think it will help save your alliance. I however think it will take more than words to patch the mighty walls of Jericho.
Again, Credit this one to DS1:
Quote: AS SOON AS WE CAN BRING OUR VAST SUPERIOR NUMBERS TO BEAR, THIS WAR IS OVER AND BOB WILL NOT HAVE A SINGLE STATION LEFT EVENTUALLY
We are waiting. In the meantime Paragon Soul is now fully under BoB control. The defense we expected to see of your last few stations was non-existent. The remnants of your POS network are systematically being destroyed. Sadly, your latest tactical plan (aka The superblob) 150 Battleships and 100 support vessels, does not even dare engage our fleet. It would seem to me that your commanders still couldnÆt find the fortitude to make the tough call. Instead you run back to the shire and wait for BoB to jump into you, which of course we did. A truly pathetic display, formulated by some truly pathetic leaders. I just wonder what kind of pretty picture McCreedy and the crew will paint to make your last failure look a bit more pleasing to the average hobbits eyesà
In closing, I would just like to make a quick observation about our recent trips to AZN. It would seem the lies propagated by HC amongst the ranks are now causing a portion of the ASCN memberbase to delude themselves regarding what "victory" really is; to claim a victory after last night's combat had us running for our dictionaries to check that the definition of the word hadn't changed. You can indeed only dream of it being defined in the way you claim it. And why is it that CLS only bring Titan to fight when their home is under siege? How do you think that makes the previous Paragon Soul station owners feel? Were they not good enough to be graced by its protection? The titan has to many flaws to put onto the field right? At least it does until its protecting CLS central, then its good enough to be a front line shipà
When ASCN took Paragon Soul it was under the auspices that the region wasn't prepared for an invasion by BoB. That ASCN would fortify the area to make it in to a quagmire for our forces.
The result?
Nice Regionà
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Tholarim
Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.19 20:45:00 -
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We'll take it.
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RealLiveGirl
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.11.19 20:48:00 -
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I just *can't* get enough of BoB threads full of long, threatening, condescending posts which expose the original poster as an even bigger douchebag than the person he's insulting.
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CJ70
Caldari Legionari Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.19 20:51:00 -
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I was surprized to hear they used the Avatar last night especially after what CYVOK said on his post about BOBs use of their titan.
What were the stats for the Azn fight btw
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RedClaws
Amarr Dragon's Rage Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.19 20:53:00 -
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Boring! (+ you have no clue)
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AvanCade
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.19 20:55:00 -
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Paragon is now bob controlled. All hobbits are camping azn...
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Geralt Rivia
Xanadu
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Posted - 2006.11.19 20:56:00 -
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hmm u never get bored posting that stuff?
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Lowa
Gallente North Star Networks
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Posted - 2006.11.19 20:57:00 -
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Ah, what the hell, I might as well get in on the first page.
Cheers, Lowa
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.19 20:58:00 -
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Edited by: Pilk on 19/11/2006 21:08:27 Well, time to get on the first page of a BoB zerg-post.
There are deserters and spies in every war. Their existence is testament to their lack of honor and the lack thereof in their corporations' leadership.
There are people in every war who go out of their way to read their enemies' internal communications. Some seem to revel in this underhandedness, even going so far as to repost these communications in a public forum. Needless to say, these people are similarly reviled as being without honor or pride.
TS held Paragon and didn't have the forces or the werewithal to keep it. ASCN and AXE liberated it. Tragically, the pullout that followed was too complete, and the situation repeated itself. As you've now seen, ASCN doesn't give up on its home nearly so easily as its frontier. Expect more AZN-style t2-smacking as long as ASCN's experienced FC's and pilots continue to take the field.
I won't mince words--you took Paragon Soul, and that is not a meaningless accomplishment. But it's the functional equivalent of taking the U.S. Virgin Islands--most people in the U.S. have never been there and wouldn't even know it's U.S. territory were it not for the name. Quit acting surprised that you get your asses handed to you when you show up in New York City and expect the same level of fight.
Your skills are strong. Your allies are weak or nonexistant. Your capacity for forum smackage is never-ending.
Your ability to win battles in this war has reached its end.
Yours in Battle, Pilk Axiom Empire
Edit: added content.
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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.19 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: Murukan on 19/11/2006 21:00:31 i'm getting a weird sense of deja vu. Like i've already read this thread before.
I do have to admit though the nice region... With thol immedietly replying we'll take it was a good little forum coreography
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.19 20:59:00 -
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Meh... Gets kinda boring now ____________
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Grimpak
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.19 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Galavet Crying Wolf
Actually I cry "****IN' VOICES DON'T LEAVE ME ALONE!"
afterall they keep screaming about the freakin' bunny armed with peashooters, while I sit down and see the whales flying! But who cares! I have the mighty pen of the dragon that can write 100001 words per second! All I need is the ox to sit down and start reading "War & Peace" and I WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!!11oneoneone -------
Originally by: Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
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Massao
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.19 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: CJ70 What were the stats for the Azn fight btw
8 battleships lost, 30+ killed. Details are on the usual website.
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Darko1107
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.11.19 21:06:00 -
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Edited by: Darko1107 on 19/11/2006 21:07:48 Good post. I do agree that ASCN HC has made many bad decisions. Shouting about an easy victory while doing absolutely nothing to bring it is, in my mind, completely unbelievable. How ANY ASCN member didnt stand up and tell them to **** off right there and then is even more unbelievable.
However, while bob are continueing to rip ASCN apart harshly, I do feel for ASCN HC as thier alliance falls apart around them.
Coulda left out the last line, super cheesy. ------------------
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Brunswick2
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.19 21:08:00 -
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I knew the last thread about the AZN engagement was missing something... ---------------------------------
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Major Stormer
Caldari Red Storm Vendetta
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Posted - 2006.11.19 21:10:00 -
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Look Mum, im in Yet Another BOB V ASCN thread!
Cant you guys use the existing threads for this? serously.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.19 21:13:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 19/11/2006 21:15:27
Originally by: Pilk Your ability to win battles in this war has reached its end.
Hmm, yessss.
You probably don't mind if I keep this little gem for use in a comic reply later tonight right ?
Provided of course that ASCN's FC can find the testicular fortitude to take his twice as large gang and jump it into us within now and say an hour or two.
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VonKaplanek III
Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.19 21:17:00 -
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Hey Galavet.....Your tiresome propaganda from spying our forums is getting real old.
We had a blast last night, Loads of fun all around!! The best you can hope is to make us destruct ourselves. If fights like last night keep happeneing that surely wont happen. We getting better everyday and you guys know it!! Victory for us is very different that victory for you at this point. If we have fun and see bob explosions its a victory. Did we pwn you?...certainly not, but did you lose roughly 1/2 of your fleet yesterday..yes you did. That spells F-U-N for us :) Thank You and hope we can do it again.
Respect to all for great fights!!
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Reilu Desportus
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2006.11.19 21:18:00 -
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Edited by: Reilu Desportus on 19/11/2006 21:20:04
Originally by: Pilk Edited by: Pilk on 19/11/2006 21:08:27 Well, time to get on the first page of a BoB zerg-post.
There are deserters and spies in every war. Their existence is testament to their lack of honor and the lack thereof in their corporations' leadership.
There are people in every war who go out of their way to read their enemies' internal communications. Some seem to revel in this underhandedness, even going so far as to repost these communications in a public forum. Needless to say, these people are similarly reviled as being without honor or pride.
TS held Paragon and didn't have the forces or the werewithal to keep it. ASCN and AXE liberated it. Tragically, the pullout that followed was too complete, and the situation repeated itself. As you've now seen, ASCN doesn't give up on its home nearly so easily as its frontier. Expect more AZN-style t2-smacking as long as ASCN's experienced FC's and pilots continue to take the field.
I won't mince words--you took Paragon Soul, and that is not a meaningless accomplishment. But it's the functional equivalent of taking the U.S. Virgin Islands--most people in the U.S. have never been there and wouldn't even know it's U.S. territory were it not for the name. Quit acting surprised that you get your asses handed to you when you show up in New York City and expect the same level of fight.
Your skills are strong. Your allies are weak or nonexistant. Your capacity for forum smackage is never-ending.
Your ability to win battles in this war has reached its end.
Yours in Battle, Pilk Axiom Empire
Edit: added content.
SO is your definition of getting your arse handed to to is in fact when ASCN kill less ships than they lose?
Dude, you need to wake up. ASCN only got kills because BOB jumped in on you. I recomend you have a good look at what your saying and stop babbling the crap you are.
ASCN have not got the balls to jump in on a smaller fleet let alone a larger fleet, period!
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Brunswick2
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.19 21:20:00 -
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Edited by: Brunswick2 on 19/11/2006 21:20:51
Originally by: Reilu Desportus alt stuff
Post with your main! ---------------------------------
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Nira Li
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.19 21:27:00 -
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The crying in local said it all to me.
Death is closer than you think and I am bringing him to you.
You Will Cry My Name
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Darkstar BP
Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.19 21:30:00 -
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Another week, another pathetic morale-boosting Eve-O blog by the BoB leadership.
Fact: more people showed up in more BS than ever before. Higher percentage of T2 too. So much for the so-called demoralization of ASCN. ASCN is improving.
Fact: our FC was smart enough not to engage when he couldn't win. Must be frustrating for the BoB-leadership: ASCN is improving.
Fact: we lost 18B according to BoB killboard in the last week. 4400 members: 4 mio per member. Pathetic result for BoB. Again: ASCN is improving.
Fact: Bob Forum attacks increasing: BoB is improving at least in one way. Go ahead guys have fun.
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Phoenus
Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.19 21:32:00 -
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Edited by: Phoenus on 19/11/2006 21:32:51
Originally by: Darkstar BP Another week, another pathetic morale-boosting Eve-O blog by the BoB leadership.
Fact: more people showed up in more BS than ever before. Higher percentage of T2 too. So much for the so-called demoralization of ASCN. ASCN is improving.
Fact: our FC was smart enough not to engage when he couldn't win. Must be frustrating for the BoB-leadership: ASCN is improving.
Fact: we lost 18B according to BoB killboard in the last week. 4400 members: 4 mio per member. Pathetic result for BoB. Again: ASCN is improving.
Fact: Bob Forum attacks increasing: BoB is improving at least in one way. Go ahead guys have fun.
Losing 18 Billion ISKs worth of ships, in one week - no matter how many members you have, is not a 'pathetic result'.
[ 2006.08.16 20:49:06 ] (combat) Your Electron Blaster Cannon II barely scratches Dominix [NTEMS]<HELLH>(Dominix), causing 1908.4 damage. |
Darko1107
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.11.19 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Darkstar BP Another week, another pathetic morale-boosting Eve-O blog by the BoB leadership.
Fact: more people showed up in more BS than ever before. Higher percentage of T2 too. So much for the so-called demoralization of ASCN. ASCN is improving.
Fact: our FC was smart enough not to engage when he couldn't win. Must be frustrating for the BoB-leadership: ASCN is improving.
Fact: we lost 18B according to BoB killboard in the last week. 4400 members: 4 mio per member. Pathetic result for BoB. Again: ASCN is improving.
Fact: Bob Forum attacks increasing: BoB is improving at least in one way. Go ahead guys have fun.
Tbh i like to take the **** out of bob as much as possible. But this is just getting silly!
FACT: BOB Have taken multiple stations from ASCN
FACT: ASCN have taken NONE of BoB's stations.
FACT: ASCN Have lost Members
FACT: BoB Have not lost members.
Im sorry but your drivel about ASCN improving has NOTHING to do with who is winning the war. Youve lost space, Youve lost members, youve lost morale.
If however you do keep improving (might wanna do so a bit quicker), you might at some point stand even the slightest chance of winning.
TBH i'd just see if you can call in LV/AXE/mypetcat now before it gets to late. Hell Pay sum1, or everyone, to fight for you.
Your losing bad, its time to pull out all the stops. ------------------
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Ituralde
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.19 21:44:00 -
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ASCN could have the most amazing kill/loss ratio in EVE against BOB but they *still* would be losing.
Battles are won by they who hold the field at the end.
Territorial Wars are won by they who hold the space in question at the end.
Wars in general are won by they who survive the war and come out on top.
Kill/loss ratios factor into this nowhere. The telling factor is a Paragon Soul with BOB's name on it.
Myself, I did not think such an utter loss to be possible. Losing an ENTIRE REGION in what, 4 weeks? I have heard stories of spineless fleet command, poor alliance management, terrible strategic decisions, but frankly, I don't know what to beleive. The loss of Paragon Soul seems to indicate that Bob's take on the deal is accurate but the forums seem awfully one-sided in their favor. So, in the interests of a more balanced perspective, I would like to ask the ASCN membership a few questions.
1. Is there a ship replacement program for ships lost in fleet engagements? If so, could you explain how it works?
2. Is there some sort of plan everyone knows for how your alliance plans to defeat BOB?
3. This one is also a question for BoB, are there ever BoB fleets that stay in one spot in a battleground system (one with a fleet present from each side) for 20 minutes or more at a time?
4. Is the average ASCN member decently wealthy and are they easily able to make a significant amount of money in a short period of time?
5. What does the average ASCN member think the reason is their alliance lost Paragon Soul? What is the High Command's opinion?
6. Do you consider your Fleet Commanders to be agressive? Too Agressive? Not agressive enough? Explain your reasoning too.
I would say these are honest questions, easily answerable ones I should assume. Not intended as a flame, I just see a lot of BoB threads that devolve into flame wars, but really I don't get a balanced average ASCN perspective on the matter, such things are really hard to get from the flaming tossed between the various sides.
If these questions seem like a flame, I might advise that you look inside your alliance and ask yourselves why. Ive always had a soft spot for ASCN, I thought the mass outpost construction was pretty sweet, it makes my carebear side smile. So, if I could understand a little bit of their end I would really appreciate it. No alliance in EVE should die as fast as it appears ASCN might.
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Therem Harth
DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.19 21:47:00 -
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Illustration: http://youtube.com/watch?v=dvBPCm25z4I |
Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.19 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine Provided of course that ASCN's FC can find the testicular fortitude to take his twice as large gang and jump it into us within now and say an hour or two.
You're the aggressor, remember? The onus is not on ASCN to do something; if the status quo doesn't change, you lose.
<3, --P
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Knocturnal
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.19 21:57:00 -
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Edited by: Knocturnal on 19/11/2006 21:57:28 Well tbh i dunno why people keep whiening around here. This thread is ment to let people know how the situation is on teh front line. Till now ASCN could bring only big words out. Never saw them attacking us. They managed to blob BoB. Yeah it was 68ft or what ? So my persoanl point of view is ASCN should start talking when they got the guts to fight.
Regards
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BlackDog Rackh'am
Minmatar Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.19 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Galavet
And why is it that CLS only bring Titan to fight when their home is under siege? How do you think that makes the previous Paragon Soul station owners feel? Were they not good enough to be graced by its protection? The titan has to many flaws to put onto the field right? At least it does until its protecting CLS central, then its good enough to be a front line shipà
When ASCN took Paragon Soul it was under the auspices that the region wasn't prepared for an invasion by BoB. That ASCN would fortify the area to make it in to a quagmire for our forces.
The result?
Nice Regionà
That's a really interesting comment that has a sense of deja vu for me. The previous alliance that CLS was in, collapsed when their home region was starting to get overrun. At that point, there was a call made that all of the alliance should focus their efforts there. Back then this was highly impractical, since not all 0.0 stations had the amount of services they have today.
Not to mention that the rest of the alliance corps had to relocate through heavily contested areas in a very small timeframe and while being outnumbered. CLS and the feyth corps that made the bulk of the alliance number-wise were US timezone, the ones who had to relocate where smaller EU timezone corps, sharing the same prime time with the bulk of the hostile forces. Also, a lot of the corps had been bled totally dry by that point, couldn't field battleship gangs and would have been better used as a guerilla force behind the enemy lines. Since ground had been lost, this meant they wouldn't have to relocate at all to disrupt the incoming enemy tide.
Most of all, there was no earlier planning regarding office slots or logistics whatsoever. These guys just had to stick it out in the frontiline on their own till feyth got swamped, which signalled the order to abandon everything and run to the rescue. A lot of fighters that didn't were cut loose and set to -ve while the feyth corps formed ASCN and secured a separate peace for them.
As i was heavily involved in those events, i am very curious to see how this situation plays out eventually.
Originally by: Pilk Edited by: Pilk on 19/11/2006 21:08:27 TS held Paragon and didn't have the forces or the werewithal to keep it. ASCN and AXE liberated it. Tragically, the pullout that followed was too complete, and the situation repeated itself.
Interesting choice of words for a situation that occured to both TS and ASCN. The existence of a double standard of judgement is plainly obvious to the blindest of men. I guess that it's safe to say BoB is now liberating ASCN space too? Or that ASCN did unto TS exactly what BoB is currently doing to them? You could pick one of the above two and (point of emphasis) apply it to both entities, but not apply each one selectively to a group alone.
Just my 0.02 isk
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Revelatia
Clandestia
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Posted - 2006.11.19 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: Revelatia on 19/11/2006 22:12:42 @ Ituralde
1. On an alliance/fleet level no, on a corp level, in some corps yes, in others, you just go back to the rear and rat/mine to replace your losses.
2. There is no plan that everyone knows, hell there is hardly a plan that more than a couple of people know, bar just about all of BoB that is. The secrecy that we work under is in my opinion our greatest failing, as no one really knows what the hell to do. Oh, and the defeat part... dude breaking even without being driven from 0.0 will be a result, defeating them is "pie in the sky"
3. Yes but they usually hang around at POS's or rotate SS until warped to go pew pew.
4. It depends, some are, some aren't usually dependent on how much they can play. Despite what the general populace feel, on a regular player level, we aren't rich.
5. Quite a few reasons actually...
a. Obsessive and counter-productive secrecy. BoB knows more about us overall than the average ASCN, directors and CEO's included. b. Improper planning and execution c. Not enough FC's d. Compromised forums and teamspeak. e. Bob are VERY good at this, we are not.
6. Our FC's, what few there are, after a large loss, get a grilling and a blow by blow account, multiple times, of what they "should" have done, or "shouldn't". As a result, most fleets are purely defensive, with flyby attacks and HUGE amounts of POS sitting.
EDIT - Spelling and a little elaboration.
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