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Debora Tsung
Die Woge des Wahnsinns Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2015.01.12 22:40:01 -
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eug3nio Anninen wrote:Debora Tsung wrote:Your frigate has a crew off possibly 2. If any.
And I don't think that your engine room has windows...
And what deck are you even talking about? We don't have any luxury cruise liners with open top deck for people to walk on. ok sorry for frigate example ....what about capital ships^? plus you know what i'm talking about ...your answer is easy answer ....and don't make any point... Your capital ship is huge, as big as a small town, literally. What do you expect to see there? Tiny little pixels behind that tiny bright spots that are even tinier windows?
Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> AFK Cloaking Collection Thread
Please stop making "fix afk cloaking!" threads, your idea is not new. Thanks in advance.
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Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2015.01.12 22:42:52 -
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DaReaper wrote: They used to do this. I dunno if its still there, its been a while, but back in the day you would see convoys of 3 haulers leave stations, slow boat off grid and then start heading into another station. You could attack these when they got outside of station gun range, and take there cargo. People used to do this all the time to make a little isk here and there
I saw one about 6 months back atleast, I've only seen them about 3 times total in ~6 years of playing Eve though. |
Debora Tsung
Die Woge des Wahnsinns Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2015.01.12 22:55:38 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote: I concur.
The EVE universe seems rather dead without seeing ANY people anywhere. Other than floating corpses in space and ourselves in our captains quarters.
Well there's a point, where are all the corpses of my crew when my Raven got destroyed, would be cool if they'd float around the wreck as some kind of bio space dust...
Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> AFK Cloaking Collection Thread
Please stop making "fix afk cloaking!" threads, your idea is not new. Thanks in advance.
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Alundil
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.01.12 22:58:18 -
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Rroff wrote:DaReaper wrote: They used to do this. I dunno if its still there, its been a while, but back in the day you would see convoys of 3 haulers leave stations, slow boat off grid and then start heading into another station. You could attack these when they got outside of station gun range, and take there cargo. People used to do this all the time to make a little isk here and there
I saw one about 6 months back atleast, I've only seen them about 3 times total in ~6 years of playing Eve though. They're still out and about. I see them from time to time on resupply excursions to kspace. There are a number of people that shoot those convoys for the drops (market goods and minerals) so that might explain why they aren't seen.
As to the link posted by ISD Ezwal, that's a good resource. The program "EVE Mon" also shows that detailed number for each ship.
The table field is called 'maxPassengers' and here are some specific frigate examples: Atron = 3 Maulus = 12 Navitas = 6
Bantam = 3 Griffin = 6 Bantam = 8
Magnate = 8 Executioner = 8 Tormentor = 10
Probe = 10 Rifter = 2 Slasher = 2
So while the Lore referenced in the link from ISD explains the main racial differences/considerations on ship passengers (i.e. crew) Amarr: Mid-range Caldari: Mid- to upper-range Gallente: Lower-range Minmatar: Upper-range actual stats ingame don't seem to follow that too well at least in the admittedly small sample size of 3 frigates per race as above. Based on that link, ship passenger compliments would run lowest to highest in the following order: Gallente, Amarr, Caldari, Minmatar.
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Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
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Posted - 2015.01.12 22:59:26 -
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WoD had some cool procedural shader technology that could make it look like TVs were on in rooms behind windows. Maybe something like that would work? With the new on-demand loading, you might even be able to situationally load only the relevant levels of detail only when the camera zoomed in on a particular ship. Then, there's essentially no risk of bringing everything down during a massive fight, because most people in that context aren't going to be zoomed in anyway.
Just a thought. It would be a cool level of detail, and more immersion is always good.
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Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
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Posted - 2015.01.12 23:12:57 -
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Also just thought of a bit of a mismatched mechanic. So for the few people who have CQ turned on, you get into your pod fully clothed right? You character goes down that short flight of stairs to the side at the end of the catwalk and sits in the open pod right?
But when you get podded, your body is naked and filled with cables and tubes... so seems there is a small disconnect between CQ and the pod itself. OOOoooooh, maybe thats why it takes eons for CQ to load every time you dock, your character has to get unplugged from the cables, out of the pod, dry off, and get dressed again.
I almost wish they would just change the lore of the "pod" to be more of an escape pod when seen in conjunction with CQ and fully clothed characters in pods to naked cable filled characters in space corpses. |
Jon Dekker
Dekker Corporation
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Posted - 2015.01.12 23:21:14 -
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Yep, walking around and chatting with NPC crew would be pretty cool I think. I think CCP can construct some lore about being wirelessly connected to the ship just like they did with the Dust & Valkyrie tech.
Zooming in on a ship to see life... that's more of a technical issue that I'm not sure will give the bang for the effort involved.
HOWEVER
I do think that they can create shaders that show civilian traffic around stations, around stargates, and little settlements around these things that eventually we can travel to.
But CCP then needs to have an army of devs and content creators to come up with NPC interactions and such. I think it would be totally rad though if they did. Even a "crew" hiring, upgrading, trading game mechanic. Anyone remember playing Baseball All Stars, where you could draft and trade or let go of players, and upgrade their stats? If you have a crew, you can take them on your ship with you, and if blown up without issuing the "abandon ship" command, then a bunch of your crew will die as a result. Perhaps you can train a skill that increases the odds of your entire crew surviving. Then you'd have a timer for how long that crew is out of commission.
Then you can trade with other pilots your crew members, or let them become free agents to make room for a better crew member, or someone that fits what you need. Each crew member will increase certain stats based on their abilities, etc.
When CCP merges Dust & Valkyrie & EVE into a single EVE game, where we can walk around stations and our ships, then you can finally chat with your crew, and give them gifts that helps them do their job better!
Like adorable puppies. How can you say no to puppies CCP??? |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2015.01.12 23:42:19 -
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Alundil wrote:
The table field is called 'maxPassengers' and here are some specific frigate examples: Atron = 3 Maulus = 12 Navitas = 6
Ship Passengers are obviously not crew. I suspect that stat dates to a Dev who had a theory about smaller ships acting as vip shuttles from A to B either for income, or moving other capsuleers, i.e. A concept way back in EVE Beta that never actually took place.
Since those numbers are totally wrong for crew for ships. Frigates when fully fitted would have a crew of 10-40 depending on race.
Remember that the 'minimum' crew guideline listed is a Bare Hull. Zero Fittings, that's how many crew you need to have to un-dock and fly the hull to a new location like Jita to buy fittings. When you are fitting a gun, there is going to be a crew member associated with that gun (at least one) to do manual local tasks, deal with battle damage, and the like.
Battleships run 4-9 THOUSAND crew when fully fit. Even if we assume those numbers are for non capsuleer ships, the capsuleer numbers are normally only about half to 2/3rds of the standard crew numbers. So a Capsuleer Battleship is still 3-7 thousand crew. |
Kaerakh
Surprisingly Deep Hole Try Rerolling
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Posted - 2015.01.12 23:45:13 -
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Jon Dekker wrote:Yep, walking around and chatting with NPC crew would be pretty cool I think. I think CCP can construct some lore about being wirelessly connected to the ship just like they did with the Dust & Valkyrie tech. The important bit^
So let me get this straight, you want to talk to this guy?
Why?
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Sirran The Lunatic
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
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Posted - 2015.01.12 23:45:49 -
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I only support this idea if (and only after CCP art team develops graphically-represented hull breaches) you get to see people running around on fire once you're in structure.
Or perhaps a little number indicating how much crew is left on your ship as your armor starts to fail. Maybe even little escape pods (that can be smartbombed?)
All sadistic joking aside, I'd rather see the art team work on implementing other levels of detail to enhance realism, such as physically rendered turrets for modules like remote repair units, sensor damps... you know, all the stuff missing that makes it look like your ship is casting space-magic.
Additionally, shield and armor hardener effects really wash out (ie, ruining) all the detail CCP is putting into their new models/rendering schema. The obviously low resolution shield hardening effect pretty much negates all your efforts, friends.
To tie this back to main topic: There are other, better, more interesting things that would help immersion.
TLDR: Better things to do than waste time on this in the foreseeable future, in this little waffle's opinion. |
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Jarh'el Amaar Perihelion
Adventurers
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Posted - 2015.01.13 01:16:50 -
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Im not big fan of extremes in any way. Recipe for success - avoid extremes but do everything else possible. If we are talking about moving pixel-shadows behind those little lights on ship, at max zoomed view - i would vote no. Becouse its not immersive enough, in most cases to put such effort and cpu time. Same for walking in stations, talking to ppl. I can leave without it. Its Eve, its a game about spaceships anyway. But.. I dont see a reason to not add LIFE all around us in actually DEAD space. We are flying through hisec, huge space empires and we see only capsuleeers ships with some rare occurances of npc ships undocking. Big nope. Lets add some very simplified, unlockable models or even shader-based civilian little ships, passenger liners etc boats. Civilian shuttles (much smaller than capsuller-flown) etc. Automated drones around stations, gates and other structures. Repairing stuff, moving packages in and out haulers. And ads, blinky, shiny ads, not only Concord billboards. And more effects around structures like electric buzzes, zips etc, blinking lights. Concord ships should PATROL entire regions looking for criminals and gank situations (im not talking about nerfing PVP, it must be balanced). Im talking about immersion and climate building.
Eve evolves and we need to point new directions. Not all players are fans of big nullsec PVP battles and want some hisec/empire utilization of their new GTX970, i7, 16GB machines.
Yes for crew bodies around wrecks Yes for litle capsules flying away from damaged/destroyed ships Yes for crews (maybe, if done properly) Yes for more life in stations, ships landing and flying towards docking sections Yes for life going on around us, making us feel that we are only small part of it.. |
Oscae
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.13 01:49:35 -
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Sirran The Lunatic wrote: other levels of detail to enhance realism, such as physically rendered turrets for modules like remote repair units, sensor damps... you know, all the stuff missing that makes it look like your ship is casting space-magic.
I fully endorse this service and/or product
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Tusker Crazinski
Delta vane Corp. Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2015.01.13 06:08:37 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Tusker Crazinski wrote:and windows.... why would you ever put windows on a spaceship? Imagine you were building a real spaceship: What kind of monster would you need to be NOT to add windows?
for the same reason you don't put windows on a submarine.
- Mass penalty - Structural comprise.... cause for the mass penalty. - Offers next to zero utility save for a small port hole for the astrogator. - Unlike a sub you need to mind radiation.... it is in fact a thing in space. - Do you really wan't just a winow between you and the bits of everything moving several Km/s and the nothing that is space.
So I ask, what kind of monster would you have to be to fit windows on all habitable parts of a spaceships hull? |
FoxFire Ayderan
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Posted - 2015.01.13 06:14:38 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:As I haven't seen this linked here in this thread you might want to take a look at this New Eden Crew Guidelines for reference.
Shouldn't we have a way to shoot all our enemy's crew life-pods out of the sky just to be additionally sadistic.
But seriously, that page makes a lot of sense. Even with a capsuleer and Titan (which is as big as a good sized city - granted probably with a lot of space taken up by enormous engines, other equipment, and just empty space for smaller support ships to traverse) has a minimum crew of 3000 to 6000 people. And given a maximum human capacity (presumably including quarters) of 70,000 - 145,000 I suspect most such ships carry far more than the minimum required.
One wonders if they are anything like the Enterprise in Star Trek the Next Generation where crew members would have their families on board (sometimes you'd see children on the ship). Though given the nature of these ships activities that's probably not a good idea. Still the Enterprise was fighting all the time.
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FoxFire Ayderan
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Posted - 2015.01.13 06:26:27 -
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Dangeresque Too wrote: I almost wish they would just change the lore of the "pod" to be more of an escape pod when seen in conjunction with CQ and fully clothed characters in pods to naked cable filled characters in space corpses.
Yeah my pod is only for escape purposes. I lead a full interactive life aboard my ships.
I don't require the goo and cables as I have Jovian Bluetooth technology to communicate with my ships functions.
But shhhh, don't tell anyone. They've only given it to me. Oh crap, now the cat is out of the bag. Okay, don't tell them you heard about it from me!
I think the whole pod-goo, your 'being' the ship, idea was originated with the fact that originally there were no avatars or places for you to walk around like Incarna brought about. So your representation (your avatar) was largely your ship.
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Mike Whiite
Geuzen Inc
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Posted - 2015.01.13 07:07:55 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Seriously, some good ideas here, thanks for getting a discussion started.
My intention in pointing out the scale of the ships wasn't to shoot down the idea, but more to point out that there are issues of scale in trying to represent little people walking around inside ships somehow.
If you have more ideas about what would make the world of the game seem more lived-in, please keep posting.
I think some of the ships, Merlin class for example, give the impression they have a single pilots cockpit and are some what confusing as to the scale of the ships.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.01.13 07:20:53 -
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Tusker Crazinski wrote:
even if you have bullshit artificial gravity you're thrusters are down and the nose is up, it's space. orientation is irrelevant so you should stand against your acceleration vector.
Mind blown
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.13 07:25:12 -
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Tusker Crazinski wrote:for the same reason you don't put windows on a submarine.
You don't put windows on a submarine because the pressures the submarine has to withstand are far greater than what a spacecraft has to sustain. Also, because deep under the ocean there's no light.
Meanwhile, on real spacecraft (such as the ISS) windows are a major feature and extremely popular among crews.
Of course a crewed ship is going to have windows.
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Debora Tsung
Die Woge des Wahnsinns Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2015.01.13 07:46:47 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Tusker Crazinski wrote:for the same reason you don't put windows on a submarine. You don't put windows on a submarine because the pressures the submarine has to withstand are far greater than what a spacecraft has to sustain. Also, because deep under the ocean there's no light. Meanwhile, on real spacecraft (such as the ISS) windows are a major feature and extremely popular among crews. Of course a crewed ship is going to have windows. Well, if I were a capsuleer I'd construct a ship without windows, because A) they'd compromise the structural integrity of my ships armor and B) if anyone were even allowed to stop working and look outside he could use one of the screen linked to the visual sensor arrays.
Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> AFK Cloaking Collection Thread
Please stop making "fix afk cloaking!" threads, your idea is not new. Thanks in advance.
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Kaerakh
Surprisingly Deep Hole Try Rerolling
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Posted - 2015.01.13 08:03:04 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Tusker Crazinski wrote:for the same reason you don't put windows on a submarine. You don't put windows on a submarine because the pressures the submarine has to withstand are far greater than what a spacecraft has to sustain. Also, because deep under the ocean there's no light. Meanwhile, on real spacecraft (such as the ISS) windows are a major feature and extremely popular among crews. Of course a crewed ship is going to have windows.
That's because morale outweighs the need for structural strength. Your comparison falls flat because the goals of either example are simply different.
EVE ships have to withstand the rigors of combat and environmental hazards. The ISS sits in orbit with little to no debris, and certainly no combative scenarios.
So again, your comparison is flawed from the outset. I expect more from a developer at CCP.
Edit: Also, the submarine comparison was fine.
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Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.01.13 09:11:03 -
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Aren't the windows on the ships the little dots of light that covers it?
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Claud Tiberius
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.01.13 09:30:49 -
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I would like the players camera to have an additional mode (currently the camera only orbits ships/objects), where the camera can be automatically moved to just in-front of the ships cockpit. In this way, although the camera is not inside the ship/cockpit, its close enough that any player would get a very good picture of how someone, if in side cockpit, would see the ship from that position.
In addition to this, the axis of the camera should be fixed to the ship such that, if the ship goes into a roll, pitch or yaw, the camera would do the same. Thus adding the the first person emphasis of the camera.
TL;DR First person view of the ships captain (pilot), but does not require view of the cockpit.
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Bl1SkR1N
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2015.01.13 11:17:12 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
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Posted - 2015.01.13 11:32:22 -
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Kaerakh wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:Tusker Crazinski wrote:for the same reason you don't put windows on a submarine. You don't put windows on a submarine because the pressures the submarine has to withstand are far greater than what a spacecraft has to sustain. Also, because deep under the ocean there's no light. Meanwhile, on real spacecraft (such as the ISS) windows are a major feature and extremely popular among crews. Of course a crewed ship is going to have windows. That's because morale outweighs the need for structural strength. Your comparison falls flat because the goals of either example are simply different. EVE ships have to withstand the rigors of combat and environmental hazards. The ISS sits in orbit with little to no debris, and certainly no combative scenarios. So again, your comparison is flawed from the outset. I expect more from a developer at CCP. Edit: Also, the submarine comparison was fine.
The ISS is constantly being moved to avoid debris and NASA do a huge amount of work to track the detritus we've fired into orbit. The ships in Eve can hurl themselves through warp and can withstand hits from VW sized artillery shells, I think they would have the technology to make a few windows that can take space debris.
On a similar not the 0.5 metre window really won't make much difference to structural integrity when a ton of antimatter/plasma/hypervelocity missile slams into your ship. Another point would be that the armour plan on the ship would almost certainly be *inside* the hull covering all of the important parts of the ship. Crew quarters would be placed around this as a flimsy outer hull and would add very little to the integrity of the inner hull (think 'All or Nothing armour plan for RL battleships).
Windows would give the crew a feeling of comfort and when jumping into combat the crew would be inside the armoured areas manning the various important bits of the ship and hoping their favourite teddy bear doesn't get vaporized outside of the more safe areas. |
Tusker Crazinski
Delta vane Corp. Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2015.01.13 14:00:49 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Tusker Crazinski wrote:for the same reason you don't put windows on a submarine. You don't put windows on a submarine because the pressures the submarine has to withstand are far greater than what a spacecraft has to sustain. Also, because deep under the ocean there's no light. Meanwhile, on real spacecraft (such as the ISS) windows are a major feature and extremely popular among crews. Of course a crewed ship is going to have windows. well not going to lie the ISS would have been a hell of a lot cheaper if it had no windows.
every gram counts in the space game, 1 tone of windows and structural reinforcements becomes something stupid like 20 tons of fuel to get it to LEO. now keep in mind the ISS is still protected the earths magnetosphere, anything beyond that radiation becomes a serious issue.
the Saturn V had VERY few windows, with shutters and only out of necessity. Apollo 11 actually had to use their own shadow an AGL indicator.
and yeah pressure goes both ways, the pressure disparity on a spaceship is not nearly as high as on a sub, however the consequences of a hull breech on a spaceship are FAR more sever..... and horrific.
If you look at the Falcon 9, Boeing's new ship, Artist sketches of beyond earth vessels, they have little to no windows.... matter in fact you might want to use you water tanks as a radiation buffer. ;)
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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We can travel at thousands of times the speed of light (without turning into some kind of plasma) and you're worried about the structural integrity of windows? FFS suspend some disbelief for a while.
You know, modern day office towers really don't need windows either - they don't even open in most of them. You know why they have them? Because sometimes a ************ just likes to look outside.
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
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Posted - 2015.01.13 14:53:02 -
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Just to throw this out there for the "Crew size" folks:
EVElopedia wrote:
Marauders
Crew
Marauders are often more cramped than their basic counterparts due to the interior space devoted to Bastion operations. The crew of a Marauder is typically a little less than that of other battleships, ranging from a little over a hundred essential personnel to nearly a thousand crew members and their families. This is usually dependent on the nature and location of deployment. However, due to Marauders being especially utilized for lengthy tours of duty, the latter is more common. Despite the risks, a space faring family can etch out a rigid but reasonable life aboard a Marauder, having access to basic services and commodities, employment opportunities for menial tasks, living quarters only marginally smaller than on some stations, and in the event of a Marauder's armor and shields being neutralized, priority to escape pods which launch long before the danger of a catastrophic hull breach.[5]
A more significant difference between the crew complement of a Marauder and that of other battleship class starships is the distribution of crew members in the gunnery and engineering sections. A Marauder's dual-hardpoint weapon systems utilize advanced automation, which means only a handful of seasoned and skilled gunnery personnel are needed to monitor the dual-hardpoint subsystems and oversee their operation. This makes a large, dedicated gunnery crew unnecessary. Due to the presence of the Bastion system, a Marauder generally possesses an enhanced engineering contingent that carefully monitor the flow of power. Alongside these crew members are assorted groups of technicians, mechanics, and wreckage retrieval specialists that are essential to the self sufficiency of a Marauder. They are able to make use of most salvage recovered whether it be to to perform repairs, enhance ship systems, replenish supplies or even for use in trade.
Generally, the experience and service records of crew assigned to Marauders vary greatly; the one exception of course being the gunnery and engineering crew. Nevertheless, serving aboard a Marauder is usually considered a prestigious opportunity, and as such any inexperienced or rookie crew members assigned to the core ship systems tend to be either naturally skillful or intellectually superior to their peers.
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Debora Tsung
Die Woge des Wahnsinns Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2015.01.13 15:11:40 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:Just to throw this out there for the "Crew size" folks: Link: Marauders (lore)You fought the lore and the lore won ... I do not understand what you're talking about, nobdy ever said there were no crews aboard capsuleer ships. We were arguing about the necessity of windows and tiny pixels moving behind other tiny pixels...
Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
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Posted - 2015.01.13 16:20:20 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:Just to throw this out there for the "Crew size" folks: Link: Marauders (lore)You fought the lore and the lore won ... I do not understand what you're talking about, nobdy ever said there were no crews aboard capsuleer ships. We were arguing about the necessity of windows and tiny pixels moving behind other tiny pixels...
Well my ships have windows even if its just for the giggles of buzzing the poor window cleaners with my camera drones... |
eug3nio Anninen
Valkyrie Knights
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DUDES , first of all thanks for all this replies , no idea this thread would ever be feel that much,....
i understand all the scientific / sci-fi explanation about why not add a windows or any trace of human beings in the space , all your aswer make sense ,
but there's a point to consider, we talking ( at least this is what i wanted opening this thread ) about add some immersion to this super complex game .....
summing up........
1) the first point all your answers is that adding a living crew visible is not possibile due to tech-problem wherareas u encounter big fights involving 1000-2000 ships or more
2) is not realistic to have such things like windows , deck with crew....etc .....
let me explain ......
2) tech problem can be solved with scaling factors , other way games like GTA never existed , CPU don't have to make calculation of all crews walking in ships deck during a fight with 2000 players , will show the interiors only when the camera is real real close ...... ( just make examples )
1) eve is a beatiful game but a lot of times universe seems dead ..... and this is a problem :
a) when u get near stargates , maybe would be cool to see repairing drone flying around structures , like NPCs doing stuff , giving u the sensation of a presistent LIVING universe ,
B) space station are basically empty , would be nice to see mechanics working while your docked , ore people living inside , as well of NPCs little ships , flying around the space stations ,
C) realistic explanation of why we shuould not have more particles just make few sense : just think about usless aereodinamic configuaration of ships assoult hulls...
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