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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.09.10 18:00:00 -
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Game Time Code Rules
Because of the high number of ETC scams we get in our queues we making a few rules to make ETC trading more secure. If you do not follow the rules below you may not be eligible for reimbursement if you fall victim to an ETC scam.
- Do not trade with anyone that has not been in the games for at least 15 days. Before trading check the playerÆs employment history. If he was created in the last 2 weeks then call the deal off.
- When you have agreed on a price, both parties will send an ingame EVEmail to one another where they will list.
* The number of codes being sold. * The type of codes (30 day, 50 day etc.) * The agreed upon price.
- For example if you are buying/selling 2 x 30 day code for 150 million each both parties will send a message something like this: ôSelling/buying two thirty day codes for 300 million ISKö.
- When both parties have sent an EVEmail the buyer will send his ISK. In the comment field he will enter what exactly heÆs paying for. The number of codes and their types. In the above example he would enter ô2 x 30 day ETCö.
- When the ISK has been received the seller will send the codes in an EVEmail.
- If you are scammed then file a petition in the Exploit category as soon as possible. Include a link to the forum auction.
If you don't follow the above rules you may not be eligible for reimbursement!
Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online
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Chrisb6122
Gallente Slaves to humanity
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Posted - 2006.09.10 18:02:00 -
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Sounds good
sticky?
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Pestillence
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.10 18:24:00 -
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Sounds like sensible precautions.
It's a shame you can't see people on trial accounts, then you could ask people not to deal with them.
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Tropa
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Posted - 2006.09.10 18:27:00 -
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Thank you CCP
Perhaps if this was posted as a news item it may receive more visibility?
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.09.10 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Pestillence Sounds like sensible precautions.
It's a shame you can't see people on trial accounts, then you could ask people not to deal with them.
If you check employment history in game, and the person is less than 15 days old, he is likely a trial account, or at least a very new account or alt. In either case, you shouldn't trust him.
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Scarh Juna
Amarr The FOC
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Posted - 2006.09.10 18:31:00 -
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Good to see something being done
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Ellen Firestar
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2006.09.10 19:07:00 -
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GJ guys, a good boost to player morale seeing that you guys put effort into this.
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Tammarr
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Posted - 2006.09.10 20:52:00 -
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Hurray! ...Was starting to think about spending all my dope on gtc before you would disallow it because of all thet scammers but now I suppose I'll be happily playing along while fishing for a new job.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2006.09.10 21:36:00 -
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Well it's about time.
Maybe now players will be more careful when buying time codes rather than sending off their ISK and "CCP will return it if its scam" attitude.
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Veroon Coch
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Posted - 2006.09.10 22:59:00 -
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Looking at the number of new (less than 1 day) players posting GTC for ISK threads, would it be possible for the MODs and GMs to do a bit of account pruning?
Another option may be for posting in the SELL forum to be restricted to full accounts!
(And yes I'm on a trial account myself)
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Audrea
Widowmakers Novus Ordos Seclorum
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Posted - 2006.09.11 05:05:00 -
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What if I would require the seller to change the order of things? I mean, first he sends me the code, I verify it, then send cash.
Would the seller still be covered by CCP protection in such order of transaction as well by the new rules? ------------------ Tired of fleet combat lag? -Post HERE
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Grenouille
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Posted - 2006.09.11 07:23:00 -
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hello. there is a person on the sell forums here, that sais she or he sels GTC. ingame the "characters" are 1 day old. it is the same person as i checked the bad english that he or she speaks. wouldnt it be better to prohibit the selling of GTC of characters less than 15 days? so i personally will check the sellers and post that they are scammers. after my oppinion all the characters less than 15 days are scammers.
please tell me what u think.
with respect, Grenouille.
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Grenouille
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Posted - 2006.09.11 09:52:00 -
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hey chieftain, is there a way to track their ip (scammers)? i know that there is :) . come on let't do somethinga bout this. you are doing a great work blocking the threads. i like that. we can kick em hard with no return if u can track their ip's. at least for a while. hope they don't have dinamic IP's.
cheers and with respect, Grenouille.
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Sharon Velerii
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Posted - 2006.09.11 11:31:00 -
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Why reason in payment should't be enough? You need to send mail to everyone and wait for their. I think Payment with reason, and evemail with the codes should be enough why are we complicating so much? Anyway, only 5% of people will do it like you say.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.09.11 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Veroon Coch Looking at the number of new (less than 1 day) players posting GTC for ISK threads, would it be possible for the MODs and GMs to do a bit of account pruning?
We go through the forums a few times every day, and remove a lot of those threads.
Originally by: Audrea What if I would require the seller to change the order of things? I mean, first he sends me the code, I verify it, then send cash.
Would the seller still be covered by CCP protection in such order of transaction as well by the new rules?
Probably because it's easier to deal with people who lost ISK to a scammer than people who lost a GTC to a scammer. I don't know if you would be protected, I doubt it. Either way, it's better to do it the "old" way.
Originally by: Grenouille hello. there is a person on the sell forums here, that sais she or he sels GTC. ingame the "characters" are 1 day old. it is the same person as i checked the bad english that he or she speaks. wouldnt it be better to prohibit the selling of GTC of characters less than 15 days? so i personally will check the sellers and post that they are scammers. after my oppinion all the characters less than 15 days are scammers.
A character younger than 15 days isn't necessarily a scammer and a character above 15 days might still be a scammer. But making sure the person you buy of is older than 15 days ensures it's a real account and not a trial account, which increases security a bit. These rules are not a complete solution, but they do help a lot in decreasing scams and catching scammers.
Originally by: Grenouille hey chieftain, is there a way to track their ip (scammers)? i know that there is :) . come on let't do somethinga bout this. you are doing a great work blocking the threads. i like that. we can kick em hard with no return if u can track their ip's. at least for a while. hope they don't have dinamic IP's.
We deal with scammers as we catch them, and as I said, these rules will help us catch them.
Originally by: Sharon Velerii Why reason in payment should't be enough? You need to send mail to everyone and wait for their. I think Payment with reason, and evemail with the codes should be enough why are we complicating so much? Anyway, only 5% of people will do it like you say.
The more we have to go by, the better it is. I seriously doubt people are willing to lose their hard earned ISK by being too lazy to follow these simple steps. But if they are, I guess they will risk not being reimbursed.
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Sharon Velerii
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Posted - 2006.09.11 18:51:00 -
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There should be a way of checking the code without useing it. Imagine that you bought code for isk and you are going to vacation for 2 weeks. And after you return you find out that your code doesnt work, and you have blocked account. So the only way will be to pay for the code with the money you doesnt have in real.
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groove
Gallente Sector 7
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Posted - 2006.09.11 21:11:00 -
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i bought a 50 day gtc from a char and i didnt follow the rules. and he scammed me :( can he get away with that or will he be banned or something ???
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Phearless Leader
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Posted - 2006.09.11 21:31:00 -
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Actually, I think it'd be great if I could "lock" an ETC. A locked GTC couldn't be used without a password, but could be verified as working. Additionally, given an ETC and its password, one should be able to change the password.
At that point, ETC selling becomes truly secure; the only way to scam is for the scammer to either: a) get ISK and not give the correct password/not give a password at all a.1: Most scammers, as I understand it, get isk, transfer it around, and log off, and would never have a working GTC to give in the first place. a.2: Since there is an actual GTC in play, that GTC traces back to someone's actual hard currency. b) have multiple people testing the GTC simultaneously b.1: So make testing a GTC something that you have to do while logged in, and for five minutes after, only you can use it. Limit it to five tests/day/account so that you can't deprive a seller of their ETC by continuously testing it.
This also opens up the field of GTC resale, which was previously a logistical nightmare. Needless to say, I--and, I suspect, many others--would be very interested in entering that field.
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Blind Man
Caldari 0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.11 23:07:00 -
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great to see this, hopefully this means GTC sales are here to stay :)
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.09.12 00:42:00 -
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Is it still ok to buy them if the person advertises in an in-game trade channel? All those rules would be followed, except there would be no link to the forum post.
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GM Fate
Minmatar Game Masters
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Posted - 2006.09.12 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: groove i bought a 50 day gtc from a char and i didnt follow the rules. and he scammed me :( can he get away with that or will he be banned or something ???
Report it. We will keep permanently banning everyone found guilty of ETC scamming.
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Hellspawn01
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.12 11:08:00 -
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Does that mean that we finally get a seperated forum for GTC/char sales?
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Archo X
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.12 16:18:00 -
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Any chance we could just do away with GTC sales?
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Ceratin
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.12 16:29:00 -
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Can we get this posted in the game news so everyone definatly reads it? Or at least a warning that its going on |
Talthrus
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.12 17:35:00 -
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Could a similar set of rules be established for character transfers? ----------------------
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Paerist
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Posted - 2006.09.12 23:23:00 -
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god.
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Pestillence
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.13 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Paerist sucks to be me
Indeed
Go GM's \o/
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Tanner Mirabel
Minmatar Universal Exports
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Posted - 2006.09.13 14:28:00 -
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its a pity there can't be an in game mechanism where sellers can do a kind of GTC escrow which only accepts valid codes so people can buy them without risk. It might also help to stop every other thread in the sell order forum being from GTC sellers
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DOGNOSH
Minmatar SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2006.09.13 14:55:00 -
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i already do a contract for my buyers,which i haven't used all the time but will do from now on
p.s. notice to sellers i also keep note of my previous threads i sold in to post their link in new thread, to try to re assure buyers and i always use my main not alt
wrangler : one thing i have in my contracts, which also helps us sellers, is i insist the code to be used immediately,that way seller has peace of mind that it won't come back and bite him in the arse,and issues can be resolved immediately(one buyer called me a scammer,he quickly doubled backed when he realised he put in a Q instead of O )
mmmm pink Eris will approve - Xorus Xorus has been webbified - DOGNOSH
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Yggdrassil
Amarrian Missionaires
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Posted - 2006.09.14 11:42:00 -
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Don't know wether that is possible at all - but...
Is it an option to quite simply limit where in the forums trial accounts are allowed to CREATE topics? Also limit their abilities to reply in some categories.
In sell forum, I really don't see the need for a 14 day old trial account user to create topics at all.
In ship/general discussion - they should be able to create as many topics as they want.
In corporation and alliance forum - they should not be allowed neither to create topic nor reply to topics.
I'm sure there are other forums too that might need limited access.
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Fren Mallow
Gallente Bluestar Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.09.14 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Fren Mallow on 14/09/2006 16:33:19 Why isn't it possible for the DB of Eve, the ones which holds all GTC's and interacts with my browser, to interact INGAME with the escrow/player-market?!
I imagine a very simple and most secure procedure, which runs completely ingame.
The one, who want's to sell a GTC for isk simply got a special tab in the escrow, where he can put in the GTC (the full number) and the wanted price.. CCP's DB then takes the Code (checks if it's a VALID one!!!) and creates a Selling-Offer for all others to see, which tells the price and the sort of GTC (30, 50, 90 or 180 days). The GTC normaly gets checked anyways, when you put it in for extending your account. Now this offer looks like any other offer ingame, except that it contains a valid x-day GTC. The I-dot would be - item is in your hangar - you simply hit it with right mouse button and sellect: "extend account" ..eh? :) You don't even need to know the GTC anymore..
With the upcoming renovation of the escrow such a thing should be implemented, as it would make this stuff really secure. Both sides of the deal can't be scammed, as CCP validates the code and acts as a third party, which IS secure (at least it should be ;)).
It's one thing to get scammed ingame with items vs isk. It's a whole other story, when we're talking about GTC's, which had been purchased for REAL WORLD Money.
Greets Fren Mallow
PS: such account extending items would also be very interessting for ingame sugar-pieces, ya know? F.i. instead a snow-ball launcher I really would like to find such stuff (1 day items or what ever comes to your mind) in my hangar at christmas ;)
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multigl
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.09.14 20:59:00 -
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I hope this isn't retroactive. I was scammed out of over 1 billion isk worth of timecards, and I filed a petition like three weeks ago. This doesn't seem like a terribly difficult thing to verify.
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Sara Harvey
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Posted - 2006.09.15 07:44:00 -
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OH HECK YA
I second this one, and third it and fourth it and so on...... if there was a way to lock a code from being used, it could protect sellers as well as buyers.... seller could send code to buyer, buy verifies code, buyer sends payment buyer sends unlock.... if only... but as always no mater how good a system put in to place there would be new ppl with new scams.... but i beleive this would minimize losses.
Originally by: Phearless Leader Actually, I think it'd be great if I could "lock" an ETC. A locked GTC couldn't be used without a password, but could be verified as working. Additionally, given an ETC and its password, one should be able to change the password.
At that point, ETC selling becomes truly secure; the only way to scam is for the scammer to either: a) get ISK and not give the correct password/not give a password at all a.1: Most scammers, as I understand it, get isk, transfer it around, and log off, and would never have a working GTC to give in the first place. a.2: Since there is an actual GTC in play, that GTC traces back to someone's actual hard currency. b) have multiple people testing the GTC simultaneously b.1: So make testing a GTC something that you have to do while logged in, and for five minutes after, only you can use it. Limit it to five tests/day/account so that you can't deprive a seller of their ETC by continuously testing it.
This also opens up the field of GTC resale, which was previously a logistical nightmare. Needless to say, I--and, I suspect, many others--would be very interested in entering that field.
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Funky Chicken
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Posted - 2006.09.15 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Fren Mallow Edited by: Fren Mallow on 14/09/2006 16:33:19 The one, who want's to sell a GTC for isk simply got a special tab in the escrow, where he can put in the GTC (the full number) and the wanted price.. CCP's DB then takes the Code (checks if it's a VALID one!!!) and creates a Selling-Offer for all others to see, which tells the price and the sort of GTC (30, 50, 90 or 180 days).
The problem is, this makes it even easier for someone trying to create thier own code time generator to do testing and validation to make sure its working right. Sure they might end up getting bans while testing it out, but once its working, will be mighty hard to ever close the lid on it.
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Fren Mallow
Gallente Bluestar Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.09.15 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Funky Chicken
Originally by: Fren Mallow Edited by: Fren Mallow on 14/09/2006 16:33:19 The one, who want's to sell a GTC for isk simply got a special tab in the escrow, where he can put in the GTC (the full number) and the wanted price.. CCP's DB then takes the Code (checks if it's a VALID one!!!) and creates a Selling-Offer for all others to see, which tells the price and the sort of GTC (30, 50, 90 or 180 days).
The problem is, this makes it even easier for someone trying to create thier own code time generator to do testing and validation to make sure its working right. Sure they might end up getting bans while testing it out, but once its working, will be mighty hard to ever close the lid on it.
You would actually have this problem allready, if it there would be a problem of that sort, not?
At least till now I typed 3 times GTC into a mask on the website here for validation by ccp.. so where's your point, when this would be avaiable ingame too?
Greets
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DOGNOSH
Minmatar SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2006.09.15 12:56:00 -
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this is what i send to most buyers(not all so far ,but will do from now on) ==== time/date here goods you are buying :goods here(e.g. 90 day ETC) price :price here
On the completion of sale of this ETC trade you agree to use it immediately and confirm the code works we are both protected by CCP rules and they can trace all our activities so this should be a breeze
If you are satisfied i would like you , a request , to post in the appropriate thread on the forum saying so , please :)
If you agree with this EVEmail please reply saying so, then we can commence trading On recieving your monies i will EVEmail you the code and wait confirmation that all is ok ;) If the code is wrong or doesn't work i will refund you in full immediately (no problems so far :) )
i hope to trade with you again thanks, dognosh
mmmm pink Eris will approve - Xorus Xorus has been webbified - DOGNOSH
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Warnings
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Posted - 2006.09.15 18:33:00 -
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:(
You punish the buyer and not seller ...
You can't follow isk and go to a true account for ban ? If all scammers are banned ... You don't have scam with GTC.
But now, you allow scam with trial account ...
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basthamaster
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.09.15 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Warnings :(
You punish the buyer and not seller ...
You can't follow isk and go to a true account for ban ? If all scammers are banned ... You don't have scam with GTC.
But now, you allow scam with trial account ...
They punish the buyer for being too lazy to check from whom they buy. If the BUYERS don't buy from the SCAMMERS, the SCAMMERS won't have any reason to SCAM. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Selling 30d timecodes and 90d timecodes!
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GM Eldini
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Posted - 2006.09.16 09:27:00 -
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Please continue reporting GTC scams to us. It simply IS NOT Allowed no matter what and we will continue to act according to our policies.
The most normal way people get scammed is by trusting players with no player history, corp history and standings. I would refrain from buying from these.
Thank you all for helping us rid EVE of illegal scams.
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Vedmo4ka
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Posted - 2006.09.16 13:26:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=396317
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Esaka
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.16 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Fren Mallow Edited by: Fren Mallow on 14/09/2006 16:33:19 I imagine a very simple and most secure procedure, which runs completely ingame.
The one, who want's to sell a GTC for isk simply got a special tab in the escrow, where he can put in the GTC (the full number) and the wanted price.. CCP's DB then takes the Code (checks if it's a VALID one!!!) and creates a Selling-Offer for all others to see, which tells the price and the sort of GTC (30, 50, 90 or 180 days). The GTC normaly gets checked anyways, when you put it in for extending your account. Now this offer looks like any other offer ingame, except that it contains a valid x-day GTC. The I-dot would be - item is in your hangar - you simply hit it with right mouse button and sellect: "extend account" ..eh? :) You don't even need to know the GTC anymore..
Yeah thats what I and surely others have suggested in the past as well. Add GTCs to ingame as items that work like implants(one time use to extend account time) and also add an interface to import 'RL' GTCs into the game(which in the import process would invalide the code). That wouldn't even require to change the way escrow or the normal market works as they could be handled as normal items there. -------------------------------------- Agent & Mission-Info: http://www.eveinfo.com Evewide Market-Info: http://eve-central.com/ |
Macdeth
Ephemeral Misgivings
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Posted - 2006.09.17 13:24:00 -
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Will you actually be investigating these petitions to verify that the timecode sellers who get petitioned actually did supply a fake timecode? I'm a consumer rather than supplier of timecodes, but I do know a half dozen people who've had their accounts all suddenly permabanned because someone petitioned them for timecode fraud, or because they had the misfortune to receive isk transferred to them in exchange for a legitimate timecode from an apparently hacked account.
It has in some cases taken weeks for the players to get those wrongful bans reversed.
Additionally, in one slightly less clearcut case I've heard of, the person's account wasn't unbanned at all because they had resold a bad code, unknowingly, that they themselves had bought from a scammer, in-game. Is there a policy in place regarding such second-hand sales?
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RemusVI
Gallente Legion Federation Eve Federation Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.17 14:00:00 -
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I got a question about validity.
Ok , say i got a GTC from a GTC seller or got it from a a website like shatterdcrystal or something like that....now i just want to know DOES GTC have like a validity to use or an expiry date if not used within that time. Secondly , suppose again i get a GTC from a seller , How do i verify it ? Should mi send it through a eve-mail to a GM or who to verify it with ? ---------------------------------------------- LEGION FEDERATION "We beleive in Vigilence ,Federalism and Freedom" President Of The Council and Fleet Admiral: Admiral Remus Costa[IMG]http:/ |
Cherry Kiss
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Posted - 2006.09.18 01:12:00 -
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I don't understand why anyone would bother buying time codes if they did not intend to use them... immediantly!
I deeply appreciate the efforts the GMs put into protecting us from scammers! Thank you for the new, sensible policy.
I think most buyers are people like me, very happy to find a way to play EVE without having to pay real cash every month.
Just use the bought time codes immediantly, and there will be no problem with discovering much later you've been cheated. You'll know right away.
If you're buying for someone else, just make sure that someone else is also available immediantly as you buy the code, so it can be verified right away.
Thank you again for protecting this service to poor folks like myself :) It is against my religion to pay monthly game fees ;) but I'm more than happy to come up with some ISK to keep playing this wonderful game, and let someone else pay for me in exchange for my in game money :)
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Extreme
Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.18 08:09:00 -
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Edited by: Extreme on 18/09/2006 08:12:47
To Dev's;
SOLUTION to prevent scams better
1. Move GTC sales to a new forum
2. RESTRICT posting at the new GTC forums only to non-trial accounts (trial accounts don't have the isk to buy GTC's anyways and so it has no function for them to reply) . .
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Azarael
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Posted - 2006.09.18 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Extreme (trial accounts don't have the isk to buy GTC's anyways and so it has no function for them to reply)
I have 3 accounts. Account Nb. 2 and 3 had the ISK to buy ETC from the first day on, believe me
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Extreme
Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.18 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Azarael
Originally by: Extreme (trial accounts don't have the isk to buy GTC's anyways and so it has no function for them to reply)
I have 3 accounts. Account Nb. 2 and 3 had the ISK to buy ETC from the first day on, believe me
You're missing the point totally here.
It's about trial accounts can/will not be able to start a topic selling GTC's (scam)
And a true trial account is unable to buy GTC with isk as he simply cannot have that much of isk. So there's no need for trials to be able to reply on threads in that section.
As you said you have a 2nd and 3rd account you simply can use your main account to reply on topics.
My idea is to have a good filter against GTC scams.
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Ghrekk
Minmatar Warriors Of The Abyss
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Posted - 2006.09.18 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Extreme
Originally by: Azarael
Originally by: Extreme (trial accounts don't have the isk to buy GTC's anyways and so it has no function for them to reply)
I have 3 accounts. Account Nb. 2 and 3 had the ISK to buy ETC from the first day on, believe me
You're missing the point totally here.
It's about trial accounts can/will not be able to start a topic selling GTC's (scam)
And a true trial account is unable to buy GTC with isk as he simply cannot have that much of isk. So there's no need for trials to be able to reply on threads in that section.
As you said you have a 2nd and 3rd account you simply can use your main account to reply on topics.
My idea is to have a good filter against GTC scams.
This would be a good idea, but there is a way around... I will not post this here, because scammers might read and think "Hey, good one!"... If you'd like to know, EVEmail me (NOT CONVO, EVEMAIL!!)... I won't tell this to trials / young characters, either --------------------------------------------
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RemusVI
Gallente Legion Federation Eve Federation Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.18 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: RemusVI on 18/09/2006 14:42:51 The reason , i asked for the expiry thingy , only because if i keep one ready at the end of the subscription. And suppose a situation arises like, Example: Subscritpion end on november 15 Present date: october 20. Now , if i use the GTC (30 day), will it extend , from November 15 to November 20? OR Novermber 15 to December 15? Thast the reason , i wanted to be sure off , with respect to the possibility of the extension by 5 days, though i think it will extend to Dec. 15 but just to be sure of that i asked for expiry date so i wud have to use it only at the 1 day before "end of subscription".
And the another thing , about trial accnts. posting , i wud hope only their "starting a topic" to be restricted , but i wud feel replying is not a problem as someone already mentioned they have used trial accts. to buy GTC. ---------------------------------------------- LEGION FEDERATION "We beleive in Vigilence ,Federalism and Freedom" President Of The Council and Fleet Admiral: Admiral Remus Costa[IMG]http:/ |
Tanila01
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Posted - 2006.09.18 20:12:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Extreme Edited by: Extreme on 18/09/2006 08:12:47
To Dev's;
SOLUTION to prevent scams better
1. Move GTC sales to a new forum
2. RESTRICT posting at the new GTC forums only to non-trial accounts (trial accounts don't have the isk to buy GTC's anyways and so it has no function for them to reply)
Really nice idea. And may be sell GTC licence ? For increase cost of loss. For example 1b isk or so. No licence - no posting.
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Cherry Kiss
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Posted - 2006.09.18 21:14:00 -
[51]
Originally by: RemusVI Edited by: RemusVI on 18/09/2006 14:42:51 The reason , i asked for the expiry thingy , only because if i keep one ready at the end of the subscription. And suppose a situation arises like, Example: Subscritpion end on november 15 Present date: october 20. Now , if i use the GTC (30 day), will it extend , from November 15 to November 20? OR Novermber 15 to December 15? Thast the reason , i wanted to be sure off , with respect to the possibility of the extension by 5 days, though i think it will extend to Dec. 15 but just to be sure of that i asked for expiry date so i wud have to use it only at the 1 day before "end of subscription".
And the another thing , about trial accnts. posting , i wud hope only their "starting a topic" to be restricted , but i wud feel replying is not a problem as someone already mentioned they have used trial accts. to buy GTC.
It continues from the end of your subscription, not from the day you use it. So use it immediantly, no worries ;)
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RemusVI
Gallente Legion Federation Eve Federation Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:28:00 -
[52]
Ah , good to hear that. Pretty much satisfied now and thanks for clearing my doubts ---------------------------------------------- LEGION FEDERATION "We beleive in Vigilence ,Federalism and Freedom" President Of The Council and Fleet Admiral: Admiral Remus Costa[IMG]http:/ |
Lord Frost
Minmatar The Crystal Method
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Posted - 2006.09.20 12:34:00 -
[53]
Here's a better solution... don't allow out-of-game items to be sold for in-game isk.
Every exploit allows people an unfair advantage over someone who plays by the rules. In this case, someone selling timecards can gain isk like crazy by spending real cash. Vet players work for years to gain isk to buy items, bpos, t2... and now a timecard selling nub can outbid a vet player in an auction... doesn't seem fair.
... just my verteran worthless 2 cents.
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GM Eldini
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Posted - 2006.09.20 12:46:00 -
[54]
We will continue to ban GTC scammers as Senior GM Fate previously stated in this thread. It's simply not allowed. We will investigate each case thoroughly, the only thing this means is that if you were scammed and did not follow the rules in this thread you MIGHT not be eligble for reimbursement. Again, it's something that we will need to investigate in each and every case.
Thanks for understanding.
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Jezebel
xtort
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Posted - 2006.09.21 06:47:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Jezebel on 21/09/2006 06:49:01 Refunded good job GM's
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Solid Wilko
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.09.22 11:14:00 -
[56]
Cheers
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majko
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.23 10:00:00 -
[57]
Would it be not much easier to create a game item representing the GTC ? These items could be auctioned, sold, escrowed or whatever. Using that item (like implant) would be a using of GTC.
CCP would save the effort needed to check the forums and CCP would get less petitions. Players wold get a lot more safety when buying these GTC.
btw: i am not user or seller of GTC, just saw too many posts to this topic.
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.25 11:04:00 -
[58]
I am a bit confused about this GTC thing , CCP online store has 100 day GTC and 50 day , how do ppl even get those 90 day or 30 day cards for cash then ?? "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
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Heikki
Gallente Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.09.26 11:19:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Wrangler at least 15 days
Uhm, does that mean those 21 day trial codes from Eve Collectible Card Game boxes become suddenly valuable?
Then again, almost as easier to amend the rules if and when it becomes a problem..
-Lasse signed the idea of mandatory import of GTCs to tradeable ingame items
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Bill Shankly
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Posted - 2006.09.26 12:02:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel I am a bit confused about this GTC thing , CCP online store has 100 day GTC and 50 day , how do ppl even get those 90 day or 30 day cards for cash then ??
They are bought from other suppliers.
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Wild Wrath
Gallente Outcasters
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Posted - 2006.09.27 03:39:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel I am a bit confused about this GTC thing , CCP online store has 100 day GTC and 50 day , how do ppl even get those 90 day or 30 day cards for cash then ??
from a reseller like www.shatteredcrystal.com for example
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2006.09.27 19:41:00 -
[62]
can't we make a maximium ISK price for gtc?
this gtc is so godly overpriced and running out of hand
------------------------------------------- That ccp created a universe doesen't mean they'r gods
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Ghrekk
Minmatar Warriors Of The Abyss
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Posted - 2006.09.27 21:01:00 -
[63]
people do decide their own prices, and as long as people buy them they will only get higher... --------------------------------------------
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Shao Lee
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Posted - 2006.09.27 21:52:00 -
[64]
Who is protecting the sellers from being accused of buying isk with RL cash when they have records to prove it was from GTC sales? Petition active for over 1 month now still unanswered.
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RandyPan
The Breakfast Club
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Posted - 2006.09.27 23:16:00 -
[65]
One reason for not wanting to use a timecode immediately would be if you're going on holiday or summat?!?! buying the GTC with isk then not gonna be around for a while, waste of isk / time if you put the code straight on when you're not gonna be there! Not that i'm fussed cos i'm never away LOL but i DID fancy takin a break a while back but didnt want to get a GTC and not put it straight in in case it was a scam! Another reason possibly spotting a good price and buying a few and not sure if to put on main account / alt / sell on?!?!?
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Night Wallker
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.28 08:22:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Night Wallker on 28/09/2006 08:24:40 And what about resellers like this :
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=355592
...I miss to buy 1 90d GTC only for 1-2min becouse this Guy Ghreek bought all 4 for less then a minet ...some players can't afford buying normal account or GTC and depends from this kind of buying accounts
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Ghrekk
Minmatar Warriors Of The Abyss
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Posted - 2006.09.28 15:55:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Ghrekk on 28/09/2006 15:57:59 Reselling is a profession, not some lame ass crappy thing some people do to **** off others. You either accept it, or get a creditcard / luck. --------------------------------------------
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Esaka
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.29 01:50:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Ghrekk Edited by: Ghrekk on 28/09/2006 15:57:59 Reselling is a profession, not some lame ass crappy thing some people do to **** off others. You either accept it, or get a creditcard / luck.
yeah.. that has to be the reason why you're initially lied about your reselling intentions. i wouldn't be surprised if you soon turn out to be a scammer, after all its just a profession to maximize isk income. -------------------------------------- Agent & Mission-Info: http://www.eveinfo.com Evewide Market-Info: http://eve-central.com/ |
Ghrekk
Minmatar CharTrainee Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.09.29 14:04:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Esaka
Originally by: Ghrekk Edited by: Ghrekk on 28/09/2006 15:57:59 Reselling is a profession, not some lame ass crappy thing some people do to **** off others. You either accept it, or get a creditcard / luck.
yeah.. that has to be the reason why you're initially lied about your reselling intentions. i wouldn't be surprised if you soon turn out to be a scammer, after all its just a profession to maximize isk income.
ok right... now what the hell are you talking about? --------------------------------------------
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Messerschmitt facility
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.29 18:34:00 -
[70]
I am not sure if this was mentioned, to many pages and my eyes bleed (stupid monitor).
If this was not made from a forum offer (The seller did not post it on forum, I found him through other reasons, announcing in local, etc.) so I cannot give the link to the forum post when I make the exploit petition, will that not make me eligible for reimbursment? _________________________________
A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking...
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Ghrekk
Minmatar CharTrainee Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.09.29 18:36:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Messerschmitt facility I am not sure if this was mentioned, to many pages and my eyes bleed (stupid monitor).
If this was not made from a forum offer (The seller did not post it on forum, I found him through other reasons, announcing in local, etc.) so I cannot give the link to the forum post when I make the exploit petition, will that not make me eligible for reimbursment?
It's ofcourse still a scam, and if you have followed the rules then you are still eligible for reimbursement. --------------------------------------------
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Captain GTCMAN
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Posted - 2006.09.30 02:40:00 -
[72]
Captain GTC MAN approves of these guidelines! More than a few of them have been standard operating procedure for quite some time.
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123966
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Posted - 2006.09.30 04:31:00 -
[73]
Thats almost the way i do it for almost a year now. Glad its public.
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Demi Gorge
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Posted - 2006.10.01 14:56:00 -
[74]
I always insist that my customers follow CCP rules. I have never had a problem. Many happy customers. Zero complaints.
It really is a win/win for everyone involved and kinda fun too.
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TopeZone Waters
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Posted - 2006.10.03 01:12:00 -
[75]
May I ask why I cannot accept a purchase from a semi new account such as a month or two by recieving the code first and send isk once the code is validated?
This is what I offer all the time in my buy orders... that I only give isk first to accounts over one year old, anything under I accept code... use it and then send isk once it works... I can be trusted to pay as I have a several year account I dont want to lose.
Just curious if the new rules can be adjusted to allow for such deals. ------------------------------------------------
Just because it has wings does not mean it can fly or was even meant to in the first place. Whatch that first step, its a doozy |
Demi Gorge
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Posted - 2006.10.03 04:20:00 -
[76]
I think CCP needs to insist that codes are used during the transaction.
Kinda scary that people are buying codes in-game and not using them and then reselling them in the forum.
Somebody will get burned soon.
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Natasa K
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Posted - 2006.10.03 16:32:00 -
[77]
is there any eve in-game channel for GTC buyers and sellers?
ty
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Ghrekk
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.10.03 16:36:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Natasa K is there any eve in-game channel for GTC buyers and sellers?
ty
I've made one, but it's not too crowded though... needs more advertising, maybe? :) it's
"Timecodetrading"
without the "" --------------------------------------------
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DeODokktor
Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2006.10.08 09:47:00 -
[79]
Originally by: TopeZone Waters May I ask why I cannot accept a purchase from a semi new account such as a month or two by recieving the code first and send isk once the code is validated?
If you get the code first then you'll know if it's a scam or not so that means the new rules dont apply to you.
These rules are to protect people from getting scamm'd.. getting the code first (and checking it) means you dont get scamm'd.
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Bad Taste
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Posted - 2006.10.08 11:20:00 -
[80]
Originally by: DeODokktor
Originally by: TopeZone Waters May I ask why I cannot accept a purchase from a semi new account such as a month or two by recieving the code first and send isk once the code is validated?
If you get the code first then you'll know if it's a scam or not so that means the new rules dont apply to you.
These rules are to protect people from getting scamm'd.. getting the code first (and checking it) means you dont get scamm'd.
Youre right getting the code first will ensure the buyer doesn't get scammed, but the seller may do by the more unscupulous buyers out there by getting the code and then claiming it didn't work, or not having the isk to pay for it, These rules are to protect both buyer and seller - Remember Scams work from both sides so follow the rules
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Rahn Sohwant
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Posted - 2006.10.08 15:18:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Rahn Sohwant on 08/10/2006 15:20:52 hmm. the glue on this post seems to have failed.
I recommend high-quality 3M Post-It brand sticky notes.
Edit: Interesting... the glue seems to only work in the up direction. Posting to the thread does not bump it to the top, yet it continues to plummet freely.
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death dealer1
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Posted - 2006.10.10 01:22:00 -
[82]
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Talidorn
Pandoras Mining Covanant
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Posted - 2006.10.17 13:03:00 -
[83]
HEY!!!!
Perhaps the EO forum ppl could be so kind as to put up a GTC buy/sell forum?
Other auctions/sales/lotteries get lost... An average page (in the first 10 pages) is 1/2 - 2/3 GTC sales.
Can we move this noise to it's own forum (like pricechecks got?)
Thanks,
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tealkjaffa
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Posted - 2006.10.24 21:53:00 -
[84]
I dont know what to do rich jsscu bought 5 GTC's off me and a GM reversed the isk trade. I would like to know how I go about fixing this???
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tealkjaffa
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Posted - 2006.10.25 01:47:00 -
[85]
my pitition is not getting an autoreply and I would like to resolve this issue please if I am going about this wrong email me at st6buck@yahoo I will keep checking this thread thank you
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Hellspawn01
Amarr The Phantom Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.26 11:29:00 -
[86]
GTC/Char sales forum NOW
Ship lovers click here |
Lab Technician071548
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Posted - 2006.10.31 23:44:00 -
[87]
Where do you get a GTC to sell?
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Lab Technician071548
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Posted - 2006.11.01 23:39:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Wild Wrath
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel I am a bit confused about this GTC thing , CCP online store has 100 day GTC and 50 day , how do ppl even get those 90 day or 30 day cards for cash then ??
from a reseller like www.shatteredcrystal.com for example
OK, maybe I should ahve read more before my above post.
How is this different from buying ISK? Do I understand correctly that people can buy a GTC for out of game cash and then sell it for in-game ISKies on the forums here?
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Fliewatuet
Angelus dos Business
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Posted - 2006.11.02 07:38:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Lab Technician071548 How is this different from buying ISK? Do I understand correctly that people can buy a GTC for out of game cash and then sell it for in-game ISKies on the forums here?
Buying ISK with real currency is forbidden from ccp. But selling GTCs for ingame ISK is allowed. After all, all money spend on those GTCs will ultimately flow back to ccp directly. No isk farmer, macrominer or else will get real money from selling a gtc. Thats the difference and thats IMO one of the best ways for ccp to cut short those isk sellers.
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Sidrat Mort
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Posted - 2006.11.08 16:31:00 -
[90]
Firstly this is a trial account I created in the hope of getting back into eve properly after allowing my main account to lapse.
I also do not have a credit or debit card facitily either. I am considering purchasing a splashplastic card and that will take time.
My main character's name is Sidrat Flush. Most if not all of my characters I've created in the past have Sidrat as the name, so go in game and check them all out, I have been playing for a while, and would love to play again properly but find the lack, or the hassle of purchasing time codes to be a real pain.
Now, if I COULD get in to my other account I would be able to purchase a GTC for ISK. I don't mind that practice at all, and would like to offer that service myself as well.
What I find amazing is the lack of retail stores offering a payment service where you can pay in cash get a reciept with a number on it, and type in that number on the account screen. Same style as splash plastic but without the extra fees and wait. Or how about the UK players advertising their presence and offering a UK postal address for money orders/cheques in exchange for a time code emailed to a nominated address, and including a character name. Ideally I would like to be able to stand in front of a human being in my home town of Bristol, hand over the required amount in UK sterling and obtain a valid useable time code for x number of days.
Please CCP, help me to get back into the only online game that makes some sense.
Advice, back up, suggestions and or polite flaming appreciated.
Sidrat (flush, mort, and a couple of others I've forgotten and hopefully deleted)
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yuomnb gmccer
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Posted - 2006.11.10 14:17:00 -
[91]
Edited by: yuomnb gmccer on 10/11/2006 14:25:05
Originally by: Wrangler Game Time Code Rules
Because of the high number of ETC scams we get in our queues we making a few rules to make ETC trading more secure. If you do not follow the rules below you may not be eligible for reimbursement if you fall victim to an ETC scam.
- Do not trade with anyone that has not been in the games for at least 15 days. Before trading check the playerÆs employment history. If he was created in the last 2 weeks then call the deal off.
- When you have agreed on a price, both parties will send an ingame EVEmail to one another where they will list.
* The number of codes being sold. * The type of codes (30 day, 50 day etc.) * The agreed upon price.
- For example if you are buying/selling 2 x 30 day code for 150 million each both parties will send a message something like this: ôSelling/buying two thirty day codes for 300 million ISKö.
- When both parties have sent an EVEmail the buyer will send his ISK. In the comment field he will enter what exactly heÆs paying for. The number of codes and their types. In the above example he would enter ô2 x 30 day ETCö.
- When the ISK has been received the seller will send the codes in an EVEmail.
- If you are scammed then file a petition in the Exploit category as soon as possible. Include a link to the forum auction.
If you don't follow the above rules you may not be eligible for reimbursement!
gm:I be stung know clearly 680mil,I account be you prohibited, you is hybrid, prostitute foster。 seeing your error,you family met day in and day out gimme curse adrenic acid degree:---you all at home female at liberty with by gang-bang,everybody AIDS;you at liberty what the hell AIDS GM: 我被骗了680MIL ;你们封了我的号,你们是杂种;婊子养的,由于你的错误,你家人会天天给我诅咒10次:--- 你全家女人有空就被轮奸,人人艾滋病;你有空也可以艾滋病。 gm:I be stung know clearly 680mil,I account be you prohibited, you is hybrid, prostitute foster。 seeing your error,you family met day in and day out gimme curse adrenic acid degree:---you all at home female at liberty with by gang-bang,everybody AIDS;you at liberty what the hell AIDS.
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yuomnb gmccer
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Posted - 2006.11.11 03:32:00 -
[92]
Originally by: yuomnb gmccer Edited by: yuomnb gmccer on 10/11/2006 14:25:05
Originally by: Wrangler Game Time Code Rules
Because of the high number of ETC scams we get in our queues we making a few rules to make ETC trading more secure. If you do not follow the rules below you may not be eligible for reimbursement if you fall victim to an ETC scam.
- Do not trade with anyone that has not been in the games for at least 15 days. Before trading check the playerÆs employment history. If he was created in the last 2 weeks then call the deal off.
- When you have agreed on a price, both parties will send an ingame EVEmail to one another where they will list.
* The number of codes being sold. * The type of codes (30 day, 50 day etc.) * The agreed upon price.
- For example if you are buying/selling 2 x 30 day code for 150 million each both parties will send a message something like this: ôSelling/buying two thirty day codes for 300 million ISKö.
- When both parties have sent an EVEmail the buyer will send his ISK. In the comment field he will enter what exactly heÆs paying for. The number of codes and their types. In the above example he would enter ô2 x 30 day ETCö.
- When the ISK has been received the seller will send the codes in an EVEmail.
- If you are scammed then file a petition in the Exploit category as soon as possible. Include a link to the forum auction.
If you don't follow the above rules you may not be eligible for reimbursement!
gm:I be stung know clearly 680mil,I account be you prohibited, you is hybrid, prostitute foster。 seeing your error,you family met day in and day out gimme curse adrenic acid degree:---you all at home female at liberty with by gang-bang,everybody AIDS;you at liberty what the hell AIDS GM: 我被骗了680MIL ;你们封了我的号,你们是杂种;婊子养的,由于你的错误,你家人会天天给我诅咒10次:--- 你全家女人有空就被轮奸,人人艾滋病;你有空也可以艾滋病。 gm:I be stung know clearly 680mil,I account be you prohibited, you is hybrid, prostitute foster。 seeing your error,you family met day in and day out gimme curse adrenic acid degree:---you all at home female at liberty with by gang-bang,everybody AIDS;you at liberty what the hell AIDS.
GM: 我被骗了680MIL ;你们封了我的号,你们是杂种;婊子养的,由于你的错误,你家人会天天给我诅咒10次:--- 你全家女人有空就被轮奸,人人艾滋病;你有空也可以艾滋病。 gm:I be stung know clearly 680mil,I account be you prohibited, you is hybrid, prostitute foster。 seeing your error,you family met day in and day out gimme curse adrenic acid degree:---you all at home female at liberty with by gang-bang,everybody AIDS;you at liberty what the hell AIDS
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Adriana Cita
Gallente Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.15 15:58:00 -
[93]
I personaly think that the current system works great. Everyone that is worried about being scamed is protected, if you follow the rules. If you dont follow the rules of the game you are penalized, so, with GTC, it is no different.
I have sold a few GTC myself, and always, the person has used it right away, confirming its validity.
If you dont want to have that problem, use your credit card, if you dont have one, see about borrowing one, or PAYPAL does do verified chequing accounts, takes a few days, but at least you could then purchase a 14 day card to play.
The system is put in place so people technicaly 'can' play for free. Not to make it so that people can worry about their ability to play for free all the time.
It is up to you, the player, to make sure that you have a GTC or Credit Card to play, not CCP's. They simply put the options there for you.
It is your responsability to make sure that when you get back from vacation that you can log on, again, not CCP's.
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Fly Catcher
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Posted - 2006.11.19 15:25:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Sidrat Mort Firstly this is a trial account I created in the hope of getting back into eve properly after allowing my main account to lapse.
I also do not have a credit or debit card facitily either. I am considering purchasing a splashplastic card and that will take time.
If you have a UK bank account you can use it to fund pay pal - and then buy a gtc from shattered crystal on paypal. Only need a 30 dayer (less than a tenner?) to get your main back up and running.
Thats a bank account - not a credit or debit card, just your sort code and account number required.
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Flowerpot
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Posted - 2006.11.19 22:02:00 -
[95]
gtc worked fine - an honest man.
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Fliewatuet
Angelus dos Business
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Posted - 2006.11.23 13:14:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Flowerpot
gtc worked fine - an honest man.
Who? This isn't a gtc sale thread but the one with ccp's rules for gtc sales... :D -- |
DancesWithPods
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Posted - 2006.11.24 19:04:00 -
[97]
Giant Container's gtc worked great TY
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Dehra Dun
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Posted - 2006.11.27 16:51:00 -
[98]
Hi there. I regret to inform you that we do not support resales Game Time Codes. I'm afraid there is nothing we can do for you.
Best regards, GM Nova EVE Online Customer Support
can someone explain that to me ? or have i missed something ?
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Bri Kengarags
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Posted - 2006.12.01 21:04:00 -
[99]
Very good seller!
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Tanya Stormrage
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Posted - 2006.12.03 11:42:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Tanya Stormrage on 03/12/2006 11:47:25 Now, if someone has suggested this before, sorry, didnt have the patience to read 4 pages of ppl saying thesame stuff
(also, couldn't find the "reply to topic" button, so i quoted and deleted the quote)
Anyhow, heres my suggestion=
why not make it possible to convert an EVE time card to an in-game item, it practically removes all the possible scams and utilizes the already existant trade, and newly added, contract system.
meet up, right click, trade, drop eve time code into box, wait for other part to drop in some $$$, u see the money, he sees the code ITEM, it IS valid since u've converted it from code into item using site (seems like the best way, idk if possible)
(u can right click the code item, it'll say XX day VALID time code)
the in-game item would be a usable item, or an openable letter of some sort, if usable - right click, "add time" - if letter, open, read, then copy code into browser and smack it in, bam! more time.
if possible, problem solved!
if not possible, o well seems like we'r stuck with ETC scammers
this is a trial account, my "real" account is suspended due to creditcard problems.
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Keradil
Caldari Cursed Spawn SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.05 09:06:00 -
[101]
So, With this system we will basically be able to track the time code sale?
As in, if I sold a GTC to another person, used this system and that person decided "Hey, lets screw this guy over and say they didn't work", CCP GMs would be able to look at his account and notice that he activated the time codes I sent?
However, what if these guys choose not to use them immediately and then say they simply did not work? The seller is out his real money?
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Xlunax
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Posted - 2006.12.09 19:52:00 -
[102]
I vote for Tanya's idea, but it seems even simpler. Just use the new contract system in Revelations. No need to meet up or anything else. It would even work for third party GTC sales. I think it would work like this: when we purchase a GTC it is not "owned"; in other words i can call anyone on the phone, give them the GTC verbally and they can use it. In this new case, you'd enter the GTC as an item. Obviously the system would check to see that its a valid/unused GTC. Then you enter this GTC into a contract where it is locked and unusable. When it is purchased (or the contract expires/cancelled), the GTC becomes "owned" by that account that gets the contract, and can only be used by that account unless it is re-contracted and purchased by another account. I kinda thought CCP would do this with Rev. Maybe they did and I just can't find GTCs as items. This system would completely put an end to all GTC issues. Anyone agree? disagree? Sorry in advance if its been discussed in the previous 4 pages already.
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Wieland II
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Posted - 2006.12.10 23:09:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Keradil
As in, if I sold a GTC to another person, used this system and that person decided "Hey, lets screw this guy over and say they didn't work", CCP GMs would be able to look at his account and notice that he activated the time codes I sent?
However, what if these guys choose not to use them immediately and then say they simply did not work? The seller is out his real money?
1. Yes. 2. The GMs can check if the code is a valid code.
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Yutterbium Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.14 10:29:00 -
[104]
Edited by: Yutterbium Darkness on 14/12/2006 10:34:43 Sorry clicked wrong button
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Baleorg
Gallente Guys of Sarcasm
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Posted - 2006.12.14 18:50:00 -
[105]
wodnering. wasnt there "yesterday" under accoutn service that "secure gtc trade" thingy? it seem to have vanished ---
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Alex maximillian
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Posted - 2006.12.18 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: Alex maximillian on 18/12/2006 12:54:28 i agree with tanya but the item should have the code unseeable like an packed item when you unpack the code it would go directly in to an new menu in the character sheet showing the code an if you want to activate it
so if you wanted to see the code you couldnt trade it like skilll books work when you try to train it automactly goes to the skill menu
due to finacial problems i cant pay my only hope was buyng the code from someone but this new rule breaks me that thing this item would turn my account into payng acount and someone could make an petion about this it would get lot of votes(does trials account can make petions if can i will make them)
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R0ME0
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Posted - 2006.12.18 15:14:00 -
[107]
there is now a secure way, using the new account service feature on your account under eve-o site.. No scamming anymore
R0ME0, Spelt with number 0, not letter o
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Destiny Calling
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2006.12.19 12:16:00 -
[108]
As a seller -I had an interesting problem this week.
I sold a GTC to a chap, who was not an alt and the sale went through the books and followed all rules.
However the buyer paid me with money he had scammed from someone else. Once his scam was made know he was banned and the money withdrawn from my account and given back to the chap the scammer had scammed.
This is a nightmare situation, however providing you followed the rules you are protected, however this requires a thourough investigation and it can take several days for it to be resolved.
I'd just like to make sellers aware of this and stress the importance of doing it all by the book.
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Petina Mai
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Posted - 2006.12.21 00:42:00 -
[109]
Is it just me, or has the secure ETC transfer function disappeared? I could have sworn it was up just yesterday.
BTW, did anybody get a chance to try it out? I was going to do that just now to find out the specifics of how it works, but obviously I can't atm.
Petina Mai
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Kamilka
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Posted - 2006.12.26 23:48:00 -
[110]
Awesome service, thank you. Definitely recommended.
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Beckee
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:02:00 -
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I write here as you and advise to inform about default by the player of obligations faster.
Deceit with GTC in game!!!!!!
Has found the seller at forum EVE. He has sent him the letter to me such: 2006.12.30 07:42 ok i selling 2*30gtc for 270m. -------------------- 2006.12.30 07:41 I want to buy 2 GTC on 135mil ISK for a piece. I send ISK 270mil.
I have sent him 270mill ISK!!!
And it(he) was gone. And WHO NOW WILL COMPENSATE? I have earned ISK I want to buy and??? Not ISK not GTC!! And accounts come to an end 31,12,2006!!! Understand.
Conversation in a chat: ---------------------------------------------------------------
Channel ID: 2115106116 Channel Name: Private Chat (alone) Listener: Beckee Session started: 2006.12.30 07:36:58 ---------------------------------------------------------------
[ 2006.12.30 07:37:17 ] Beckee > Hi:) [ 2006.12.30 07:37:24 ] oh happy > hi [ 2006.12.30 07:37:32 ] Beckee > U WTS GTC? [ 2006.12.30 07:37:41 ] oh happy > ye [ 2006.12.30 07:37:46 ] oh happy > 30gtc for 135 [ 2006.12.30 07:37:49 ] Beckee > ok [ 2006.12.30 07:38:10 ] Beckee > 2*135=270 [ 2006.12.30 07:38:36 ] oh happy > k [ 2006.12.30 07:38:42 ] oh happy > give me email [ 2006.12.30 07:39:00 ] Beckee > ok sec [ 2006.12.30 07:42:30 ] oh happy > sent email [ 2006.12.30 07:50:58 ] Beckee > and?:) [ 2006.12.30 07:53:21 ] oh happy > 1sec [ 2006.12.30 07:53:29 ] Beckee > :)ok
AND HE OFF-GAME!!!
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Inyourdreams
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Posted - 2007.01.03 08:29:00 -
[112]
well just got scammed by shiftge looks like his thread is closed already. i petitioned in reimburstment group under escrow and trading since there was no suitable cathegory for that. Any idea how long can it take?
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Sasha Windsong
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Posted - 2007.01.03 23:58:00 -
[113]
this is a mix of ideas and modified (I read page 1 and 2 and 4 :) so forgive me if it is already stated)
First CCP will create a station that players cannot go to. this station will be called GTC-Central. Players can purchase GTC online via a website. Upon purchase it will create an in-game item called GTC. You cannot destroy this GTC. It cannot be deleted. upon right click you can either.
1. Use it. Upon using it. It will add 30 days to your account. No refund 2. Sell it to market - It will follow normal market rules (taxes and such) You can input a price as if you were selling anything else in game with tax. When a player purchase this item, it will be in the GTC-Central and that player can just right click and use it or resell (again follow normal selling ingame tax and such. 3. This item cannot be MOVED it is a given since a player can't visit that station anyways :) it will always be on top of player asset (or bottom) if players have any GTC time card item
Optional: players can buy different type of card such as 30, 60, or 90 days GTC and it will be added, BUT to make things simplier it is better to stick with 30 days.
This way, there cannot be any scams, dupes, cheats etc etc. Players can hoard them. No "redeem" code needed since you have to activate the GTC item and it will automatically add time to your account.
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Kerpals
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Posted - 2007.01.06 02:33:00 -
[114]
I'd like to ask, what about those who never see this thread?
I personally, recieve at least 3 ingame spam emails a weeks offering GTC for isk/cash.
So what of the person who does not read this thread, get's spammed ingame, thinks it's a good idea and then loses all their hard-earned isk to some scammer named erthhksdjkdf.
You have what, 250 THOUSAND players? I'm sorry ccp, but you can not use the "If they don't do it the carefull way; to bad" attitude. It's nonsense and you know it.
Personally, I say keep auditing emails and isk transfers, and prevent trial accounts from sending evemail period. Also prevent them not only sending, but recieving isk in amounts greater than say 500k, this way a person can help their noob friend have some fun , but a trial player can't be selling items (gtcs) for 150M + isk. --- Now for constructive suggestion: Turn GTC into an ingame item. Allow a user, who wishes to sell gtc's ingame, to add the GTC to their ingame inventory via the website. Then the GTC may be sold via auction or item transfer using ingame mechanics that can not be foiled.
When a player uses the website to add a GTC to their ingame inventory, the GTC would at that time be authenticated, thus preventing FALSE GTC from being added to anyone's ingame inventory.
This way there is no way to scam. If the person advertises GTC 90 day 150M you can view the auction and know instantly that what he is really selling is a single round of phased plasma s.
Feel free to contact me via email ccp.
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Ruhige Schmerz
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Posted - 2007.01.07 06:27:00 -
[115]
Just thought I'd drop in and say that there is another (easy) way to handle the "Is it a full account" problem other than just looking at character age.
Trial accounts aren't (currently, anyway) allowed to send anything to other players in game, including ISK.
So, you could simply have the GTC seller send 1 ISK to the buyer as a first step. If they do, then they are a full account, even if they're only a day old.
Doesn't address any real scam issues I know, but it does provide a way to see if the seller is a real account and not a trial, without having to make any changes to the forum or elsewhere. |
Nuska
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Posted - 2007.01.09 01:30:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Wrangler If you check employment history in game, and the person is less than 15 days old, he is likely a trial account, or at least a very new account or alt. In either case, you shouldn't trust him.
I think this is a very unfortunate statement. I can see that CCP wants to cut down on the number of scams, and the 15 day rule is indeed sensible as it eliminates trial accounts.
However, implying that new accounts of alts can not be trusted is imho the wrong message to send as Community Manager.
If anything a new character has the need for isk and may be more likely to make the deal. Someone who has been in the game for a year doesn't bother with what is essentially buying 150m ISK for real money.
At the same time some people may want to avoid the stigma associated with ISK buying and use an alt to make their purchase.
In addition, what's CCP doing about professional ISK sellers? Look at the guy on this very forum who has hundreds of time codes in stock. What does he do with all the ISK he is getting? Consider that one can get 150M for US$15 (30-day ETC), 1 million ISK for $0.1, and that IGE is selling 1 million ISK for $0.21, you know what's happening to all that ISK. Professional virtual currency sellers are selling time codes on here, and doubling their profits by selling the ISK on their web site. All that under CCPs watch, because after all, it's good for business.
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Rakyz
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Posted - 2007.01.18 05:33:00 -
[117]
What about those other sites selling GTCs for USD? Presumably, they were purchased for ISK, and are now being resold for USD. Is that allowed? Will I be perma-banned if I purchase from them?
That's not to say I'd be stupid enough to buy from a sketchy site in the first place.
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Angelic Resolution
Arcanum Defence Forces
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Posted - 2007.01.21 08:24:00 -
[118]
Is getting to the point where there needs to be a seperate forum for GTC's and characters for sale.
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FiNAL FiGHT
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Posted - 2007.01.23 04:22:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Angelic Resolution Is getting to the point where there needs to be a seperate forum for GTC's and characters for sale.
Agreed - the GTC market is crowding up the items and character market.
Also, I love Sasha Windsong's idea about a tangible GTC that is an ingame item... the only problem is a way for vendors to submit these legitimately purchased timecodes and accurately appropriate them to the buying character. - I mean who would do that? The vendor, or CCP? I think the logistics of timecode delivery would be fairly complicated... ? Great idea, but if I had to chose this, or fix any number of other things - I'd choose others.
A separate sell forum for GTCs? Yes please. That seems like an easy fix.
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SN3263827
The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion
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Posted - 2007.01.30 08:46:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Wrangler A character younger than 15 days isn't necessarily a scammer and a character above 15 days might still be a scammer. But making sure the person you buy of is older than 15 days ensures it's a real account and not a trial account, which increases security a bit.
Not really. Scammer uses GTC to activate account. He then scams for the value of 10 GTCs. Result - he's up 9 GTCs.
An age limit of a lot more than 15 days is needed to make scamming so inconvenient as to be not worthwhile. _____________________________________________
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uait
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Posted - 2007.01.30 10:36:00 -
[121]
Very useful informations... my problem now is it seems i can't create a new topic to sell the prepaid gamecard i received as gift (and which i don't need)... If i open a new post, and try to read it, this message pops up: 500 - Internal Error
wtf?
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Nasdram
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Posted - 2007.01.30 14:55:00 -
[122]
i just have been scammed, filed a petition, got the message i sucessfully created a petition.
but the petition does not show up under my petitions. where can i see if it actually did get created?
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Jack Bower1
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Posted - 2007.01.31 16:00:00 -
[123]
why dont ccp make eve game time codes actual items in game. e.g. on the market...
Right click on them to use them once used they disappear like bpcs?. easy.... trouble is setting it up so they can be purchased with real money, suppose ccp would have to place the items into the relavant chars hanger after purchase which may be a lot of work for them?...
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Zenedb
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Posted - 2007.01.31 19:41:00 -
[124]
How can I know the ETC is not used ?
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Drago Shane
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Posted - 2007.02.04 17:19:00 -
[125]
Instant service, worked fine. Good seller.
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Otohime Mutsumi
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Posted - 2007.02.05 19:59:00 -
[126]
Edited by: Otohime Mutsumi on 05/02/2007 19:56:10 Hi i just started a trial acc but also had a paid account a while back so, beying imposible to me to pay for this game because i lack a credit card i wanna know if it ill be posible to transfer for example, the agreed payment to a moderator or someone who the seller and anyone can trust and then transfer that money to the seller to make things even more clear, in the other hand i ill like to ask if it posible to add some other payment method that doesnt involve western union and etc. and also doesnt leave trial users as myself out of the bag.
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Otohime Mutsumi
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Posted - 2007.02.05 19:59:00 -
[127]
Edited by: Otohime Mutsumi on 05/02/2007 19:56:10 Hi i just started a trial acc but also had a paid account a while back so, beying imposible to me to pay for this game because i lack a credit card i wanna know if it ill be posible to transfer for example, the agreed payment to a moderator or someone who the seller and anyone can trust and then transfer that money to the seller to make things even more clear, in the other hand i ill like to ask if it posible to add some other payment method that doesnt involve western union and etc. and also doesnt leave trial users as myself out of the bag.
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Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2007.02.06 10:53:00 -
[128]
Originally by: SN3263827 An age limit of a lot more than 15 days is needed to make scamming so inconvenient as to be not worthwhile.
Every age limit will not work. I could have had an active trial account with a char almost a year old last October without paying anything. And as you said, if you can scam ten GTCs at the cost of one scammers will do that, it just takes a bit more organisation.
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Ductoris
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.02.09 04:45:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Zenedb How can I know the ETC is not used ?
You can't but if you follow the rules ,and leave an INGAME message history the GMS can help you.
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Ductoris
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.02.09 04:46:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Otohime Mutsumi Edited by: Otohime Mutsumi on 05/02/2007 19:56:10 Hi i just started a trial acc but also had a paid account a while back so, beying imposible to me to pay for this game because i lack a credit card i wanna know if it ill be posible to transfer for example, the agreed payment to a moderator or someone who the seller and anyone can trust and then transfer that money to the seller to make things even more clear, in the other hand i ill like to ask if it posible to add some other payment method that doesnt involve western union and etc. and also doesnt leave trial users as myself out of the bag.
You can buy a GTC as an alt, it's only the sellers who are prohibited from selling as alts.
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Kindza dza
Amarr New Beginning INC
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Posted - 2007.02.14 15:56:00 -
[131]
Really nice you trying to make eve better and better in all categorys. I myself have no credit card so i have to order ETC online, up to now i been using Shatteredcrystal and i will keep on using them cause its fast and reliable. it would be cool to be able to buy more things for isk tho, like the portret or maybe some other eve items.
i know i want to make a new look on my char but i cant since i have no creditcard. my internetbank is all i got :P
gg guys, keep it up :) _________________________________________________
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D'kar
Minmatar Dark Times Tech.
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Posted - 2007.02.14 16:03:00 -
[132]
I think the ISK for portrait idea is a good idea myself - maybe that should be brought up in the features discussion area... _______________ Dark Times Tech
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Johan Kronkat
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:43:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Ductoris You can buy a GTC as an alt, it's only the sellers who are prohibited from selling as alts.
I don't see that rule anywhere, would you please show me a link...
Thanks.
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Johan Novavoid
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Posted - 2007.02.15 09:35:00 -
[134]
Originally by: D'kar I think the ISK for portrait idea is a good idea myself - maybe that should be brought up in the features discussion area...
Agreed, I find the prospect of paying cash just to alter an avatar to be absolutely ludacris.
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WilliamPD
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Posted - 2007.02.22 18:22:00 -
[135]
Yeah, interested in knowing more about that rule as well.
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Drago Shane
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Posted - 2007.02.23 07:26:00 -
[136]
There is an Account Serice named Securely Sell EVE Time Code and it have description: "What if I trade a code through e-mail, or other sources, and don't get my ISK? The Secure Time Code Exchange is the only supported method of trading EVE Time Codes for ISK. Any other methods of trading Time Codes are done at your own risk. The EVE Customer Support will not investigate such claims and petitions regarding such trades may be closed. "
So, no more standard GTC selling via EVEMail, even if GTC Rules followed from first post in this thread.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.02.23 15:09:00 -
[137]
New rules and system for ETC trading can be found here.
Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online
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