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Fren Mallow
Gallente Bluestar Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.09.14 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Fren Mallow on 14/09/2006 16:33:19 Why isn't it possible for the DB of Eve, the ones which holds all GTC's and interacts with my browser, to interact INGAME with the escrow/player-market?!
I imagine a very simple and most secure procedure, which runs completely ingame.
The one, who want's to sell a GTC for isk simply got a special tab in the escrow, where he can put in the GTC (the full number) and the wanted price.. CCP's DB then takes the Code (checks if it's a VALID one!!!) and creates a Selling-Offer for all others to see, which tells the price and the sort of GTC (30, 50, 90 or 180 days). The GTC normaly gets checked anyways, when you put it in for extending your account. Now this offer looks like any other offer ingame, except that it contains a valid x-day GTC. The I-dot would be - item is in your hangar - you simply hit it with right mouse button and sellect: "extend account" ..eh? :) You don't even need to know the GTC anymore..
With the upcoming renovation of the escrow such a thing should be implemented, as it would make this stuff really secure. Both sides of the deal can't be scammed, as CCP validates the code and acts as a third party, which IS secure (at least it should be ;)).
It's one thing to get scammed ingame with items vs isk. It's a whole other story, when we're talking about GTC's, which had been purchased for REAL WORLD Money.
Greets Fren Mallow
PS: such account extending items would also be very interessting for ingame sugar-pieces, ya know? F.i. instead a snow-ball launcher I really would like to find such stuff (1 day items or what ever comes to your mind) in my hangar at christmas ;)
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multigl
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.09.14 20:59:00 -
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I hope this isn't retroactive. I was scammed out of over 1 billion isk worth of timecards, and I filed a petition like three weeks ago. This doesn't seem like a terribly difficult thing to verify.
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Sara Harvey
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Posted - 2006.09.15 07:44:00 -
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OH HECK YA
I second this one, and third it and fourth it and so on...... if there was a way to lock a code from being used, it could protect sellers as well as buyers.... seller could send code to buyer, buy verifies code, buyer sends payment buyer sends unlock.... if only... but as always no mater how good a system put in to place there would be new ppl with new scams.... but i beleive this would minimize losses.
Originally by: Phearless Leader Actually, I think it'd be great if I could "lock" an ETC. A locked GTC couldn't be used without a password, but could be verified as working. Additionally, given an ETC and its password, one should be able to change the password.
At that point, ETC selling becomes truly secure; the only way to scam is for the scammer to either: a) get ISK and not give the correct password/not give a password at all a.1: Most scammers, as I understand it, get isk, transfer it around, and log off, and would never have a working GTC to give in the first place. a.2: Since there is an actual GTC in play, that GTC traces back to someone's actual hard currency. b) have multiple people testing the GTC simultaneously b.1: So make testing a GTC something that you have to do while logged in, and for five minutes after, only you can use it. Limit it to five tests/day/account so that you can't deprive a seller of their ETC by continuously testing it.
This also opens up the field of GTC resale, which was previously a logistical nightmare. Needless to say, I--and, I suspect, many others--would be very interested in entering that field.
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Funky Chicken
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Posted - 2006.09.15 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Fren Mallow Edited by: Fren Mallow on 14/09/2006 16:33:19 The one, who want's to sell a GTC for isk simply got a special tab in the escrow, where he can put in the GTC (the full number) and the wanted price.. CCP's DB then takes the Code (checks if it's a VALID one!!!) and creates a Selling-Offer for all others to see, which tells the price and the sort of GTC (30, 50, 90 or 180 days).
The problem is, this makes it even easier for someone trying to create thier own code time generator to do testing and validation to make sure its working right. Sure they might end up getting bans while testing it out, but once its working, will be mighty hard to ever close the lid on it.
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Fren Mallow
Gallente Bluestar Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.09.15 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Funky Chicken
Originally by: Fren Mallow Edited by: Fren Mallow on 14/09/2006 16:33:19 The one, who want's to sell a GTC for isk simply got a special tab in the escrow, where he can put in the GTC (the full number) and the wanted price.. CCP's DB then takes the Code (checks if it's a VALID one!!!) and creates a Selling-Offer for all others to see, which tells the price and the sort of GTC (30, 50, 90 or 180 days).
The problem is, this makes it even easier for someone trying to create thier own code time generator to do testing and validation to make sure its working right. Sure they might end up getting bans while testing it out, but once its working, will be mighty hard to ever close the lid on it.
You would actually have this problem allready, if it there would be a problem of that sort, not?
At least till now I typed 3 times GTC into a mask on the website here for validation by ccp.. so where's your point, when this would be avaiable ingame too?
Greets
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DOGNOSH
Minmatar SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2006.09.15 12:56:00 -
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this is what i send to most buyers(not all so far ,but will do from now on) ==== time/date here goods you are buying :goods here(e.g. 90 day ETC) price :price here
On the completion of sale of this ETC trade you agree to use it immediately and confirm the code works we are both protected by CCP rules and they can trace all our activities so this should be a breeze
If you are satisfied i would like you , a request , to post in the appropriate thread on the forum saying so , please :)
If you agree with this EVEmail please reply saying so, then we can commence trading On recieving your monies i will EVEmail you the code and wait confirmation that all is ok ;) If the code is wrong or doesn't work i will refund you in full immediately (no problems so far :) )
i hope to trade with you again thanks, dognosh
mmmm pink Eris will approve - Xorus Xorus has been webbified - DOGNOSH
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Warnings
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Posted - 2006.09.15 18:33:00 -
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:(
You punish the buyer and not seller ...
You can't follow isk and go to a true account for ban ? If all scammers are banned ... You don't have scam with GTC.
But now, you allow scam with trial account ...
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basthamaster
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.09.15 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Warnings :(
You punish the buyer and not seller ...
You can't follow isk and go to a true account for ban ? If all scammers are banned ... You don't have scam with GTC.
But now, you allow scam with trial account ...
They punish the buyer for being too lazy to check from whom they buy. If the BUYERS don't buy from the SCAMMERS, the SCAMMERS won't have any reason to SCAM. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Selling 30d timecodes and 90d timecodes!
30d - 145m
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GM Eldini
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Posted - 2006.09.16 09:27:00 -
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Please continue reporting GTC scams to us. It simply IS NOT Allowed no matter what and we will continue to act according to our policies.
The most normal way people get scammed is by trusting players with no player history, corp history and standings. I would refrain from buying from these.
Thank you all for helping us rid EVE of illegal scams.
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Vedmo4ka
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Posted - 2006.09.16 13:26:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=396317
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Esaka
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.16 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Fren Mallow Edited by: Fren Mallow on 14/09/2006 16:33:19 I imagine a very simple and most secure procedure, which runs completely ingame.
The one, who want's to sell a GTC for isk simply got a special tab in the escrow, where he can put in the GTC (the full number) and the wanted price.. CCP's DB then takes the Code (checks if it's a VALID one!!!) and creates a Selling-Offer for all others to see, which tells the price and the sort of GTC (30, 50, 90 or 180 days). The GTC normaly gets checked anyways, when you put it in for extending your account. Now this offer looks like any other offer ingame, except that it contains a valid x-day GTC. The I-dot would be - item is in your hangar - you simply hit it with right mouse button and sellect: "extend account" ..eh? :) You don't even need to know the GTC anymore..
Yeah thats what I and surely others have suggested in the past as well. Add GTCs to ingame as items that work like implants(one time use to extend account time) and also add an interface to import 'RL' GTCs into the game(which in the import process would invalide the code). That wouldn't even require to change the way escrow or the normal market works as they could be handled as normal items there. -------------------------------------- Agent & Mission-Info: http://www.eveinfo.com Evewide Market-Info: http://eve-central.com/ |
Macdeth
Ephemeral Misgivings
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Posted - 2006.09.17 13:24:00 -
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Will you actually be investigating these petitions to verify that the timecode sellers who get petitioned actually did supply a fake timecode? I'm a consumer rather than supplier of timecodes, but I do know a half dozen people who've had their accounts all suddenly permabanned because someone petitioned them for timecode fraud, or because they had the misfortune to receive isk transferred to them in exchange for a legitimate timecode from an apparently hacked account.
It has in some cases taken weeks for the players to get those wrongful bans reversed.
Additionally, in one slightly less clearcut case I've heard of, the person's account wasn't unbanned at all because they had resold a bad code, unknowingly, that they themselves had bought from a scammer, in-game. Is there a policy in place regarding such second-hand sales?
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RemusVI
Gallente Legion Federation Eve Federation Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.17 14:00:00 -
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I got a question about validity.
Ok , say i got a GTC from a GTC seller or got it from a a website like shatterdcrystal or something like that....now i just want to know DOES GTC have like a validity to use or an expiry date if not used within that time. Secondly , suppose again i get a GTC from a seller , How do i verify it ? Should mi send it through a eve-mail to a GM or who to verify it with ? ---------------------------------------------- LEGION FEDERATION "We beleive in Vigilence ,Federalism and Freedom" President Of The Council and Fleet Admiral: Admiral Remus Costa[IMG]http:/ |
Cherry Kiss
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Posted - 2006.09.18 01:12:00 -
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I don't understand why anyone would bother buying time codes if they did not intend to use them... immediantly!
I deeply appreciate the efforts the GMs put into protecting us from scammers! Thank you for the new, sensible policy.
I think most buyers are people like me, very happy to find a way to play EVE without having to pay real cash every month.
Just use the bought time codes immediantly, and there will be no problem with discovering much later you've been cheated. You'll know right away.
If you're buying for someone else, just make sure that someone else is also available immediantly as you buy the code, so it can be verified right away.
Thank you again for protecting this service to poor folks like myself :) It is against my religion to pay monthly game fees ;) but I'm more than happy to come up with some ISK to keep playing this wonderful game, and let someone else pay for me in exchange for my in game money :)
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Extreme
Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.18 08:09:00 -
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Edited by: Extreme on 18/09/2006 08:12:47
To Dev's;
SOLUTION to prevent scams better
1. Move GTC sales to a new forum
2. RESTRICT posting at the new GTC forums only to non-trial accounts (trial accounts don't have the isk to buy GTC's anyways and so it has no function for them to reply) . .
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Azarael
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Posted - 2006.09.18 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Extreme (trial accounts don't have the isk to buy GTC's anyways and so it has no function for them to reply)
I have 3 accounts. Account Nb. 2 and 3 had the ISK to buy ETC from the first day on, believe me
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Extreme
Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.18 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Azarael
Originally by: Extreme (trial accounts don't have the isk to buy GTC's anyways and so it has no function for them to reply)
I have 3 accounts. Account Nb. 2 and 3 had the ISK to buy ETC from the first day on, believe me
You're missing the point totally here.
It's about trial accounts can/will not be able to start a topic selling GTC's (scam)
And a true trial account is unable to buy GTC with isk as he simply cannot have that much of isk. So there's no need for trials to be able to reply on threads in that section.
As you said you have a 2nd and 3rd account you simply can use your main account to reply on topics.
My idea is to have a good filter against GTC scams.
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Ghrekk
Minmatar Warriors Of The Abyss
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Posted - 2006.09.18 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Extreme
Originally by: Azarael
Originally by: Extreme (trial accounts don't have the isk to buy GTC's anyways and so it has no function for them to reply)
I have 3 accounts. Account Nb. 2 and 3 had the ISK to buy ETC from the first day on, believe me
You're missing the point totally here.
It's about trial accounts can/will not be able to start a topic selling GTC's (scam)
And a true trial account is unable to buy GTC with isk as he simply cannot have that much of isk. So there's no need for trials to be able to reply on threads in that section.
As you said you have a 2nd and 3rd account you simply can use your main account to reply on topics.
My idea is to have a good filter against GTC scams.
This would be a good idea, but there is a way around... I will not post this here, because scammers might read and think "Hey, good one!"... If you'd like to know, EVEmail me (NOT CONVO, EVEMAIL!!)... I won't tell this to trials / young characters, either --------------------------------------------
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RemusVI
Gallente Legion Federation Eve Federation Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.18 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: RemusVI on 18/09/2006 14:42:51 The reason , i asked for the expiry thingy , only because if i keep one ready at the end of the subscription. And suppose a situation arises like, Example: Subscritpion end on november 15 Present date: october 20. Now , if i use the GTC (30 day), will it extend , from November 15 to November 20? OR Novermber 15 to December 15? Thast the reason , i wanted to be sure off , with respect to the possibility of the extension by 5 days, though i think it will extend to Dec. 15 but just to be sure of that i asked for expiry date so i wud have to use it only at the 1 day before "end of subscription".
And the another thing , about trial accnts. posting , i wud hope only their "starting a topic" to be restricted , but i wud feel replying is not a problem as someone already mentioned they have used trial accts. to buy GTC. ---------------------------------------------- LEGION FEDERATION "We beleive in Vigilence ,Federalism and Freedom" President Of The Council and Fleet Admiral: Admiral Remus Costa[IMG]http:/ |
Tanila01
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Posted - 2006.09.18 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Extreme Edited by: Extreme on 18/09/2006 08:12:47
To Dev's;
SOLUTION to prevent scams better
1. Move GTC sales to a new forum
2. RESTRICT posting at the new GTC forums only to non-trial accounts (trial accounts don't have the isk to buy GTC's anyways and so it has no function for them to reply)
Really nice idea. And may be sell GTC licence ? For increase cost of loss. For example 1b isk or so. No licence - no posting.
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Cherry Kiss
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Posted - 2006.09.18 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: RemusVI Edited by: RemusVI on 18/09/2006 14:42:51 The reason , i asked for the expiry thingy , only because if i keep one ready at the end of the subscription. And suppose a situation arises like, Example: Subscritpion end on november 15 Present date: october 20. Now , if i use the GTC (30 day), will it extend , from November 15 to November 20? OR Novermber 15 to December 15? Thast the reason , i wanted to be sure off , with respect to the possibility of the extension by 5 days, though i think it will extend to Dec. 15 but just to be sure of that i asked for expiry date so i wud have to use it only at the 1 day before "end of subscription".
And the another thing , about trial accnts. posting , i wud hope only their "starting a topic" to be restricted , but i wud feel replying is not a problem as someone already mentioned they have used trial accts. to buy GTC.
It continues from the end of your subscription, not from the day you use it. So use it immediantly, no worries ;)
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RemusVI
Gallente Legion Federation Eve Federation Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:28:00 -
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Ah , good to hear that. Pretty much satisfied now and thanks for clearing my doubts ---------------------------------------------- LEGION FEDERATION "We beleive in Vigilence ,Federalism and Freedom" President Of The Council and Fleet Admiral: Admiral Remus Costa[IMG]http:/ |
Lord Frost
Minmatar The Crystal Method
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Posted - 2006.09.20 12:34:00 -
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Here's a better solution... don't allow out-of-game items to be sold for in-game isk.
Every exploit allows people an unfair advantage over someone who plays by the rules. In this case, someone selling timecards can gain isk like crazy by spending real cash. Vet players work for years to gain isk to buy items, bpos, t2... and now a timecard selling nub can outbid a vet player in an auction... doesn't seem fair.
... just my verteran worthless 2 cents.
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GM Eldini
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Posted - 2006.09.20 12:46:00 -
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We will continue to ban GTC scammers as Senior GM Fate previously stated in this thread. It's simply not allowed. We will investigate each case thoroughly, the only thing this means is that if you were scammed and did not follow the rules in this thread you MIGHT not be eligble for reimbursement. Again, it's something that we will need to investigate in each and every case.
Thanks for understanding.
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Jezebel
xtort
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Posted - 2006.09.21 06:47:00 -
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Edited by: Jezebel on 21/09/2006 06:49:01 Refunded good job GM's
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Solid Wilko
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.09.22 11:14:00 -
[56]
Cheers
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majko
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.23 10:00:00 -
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Would it be not much easier to create a game item representing the GTC ? These items could be auctioned, sold, escrowed or whatever. Using that item (like implant) would be a using of GTC.
CCP would save the effort needed to check the forums and CCP would get less petitions. Players wold get a lot more safety when buying these GTC.
btw: i am not user or seller of GTC, just saw too many posts to this topic.
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.25 11:04:00 -
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I am a bit confused about this GTC thing , CCP online store has 100 day GTC and 50 day , how do ppl even get those 90 day or 30 day cards for cash then ?? "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
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Heikki
Gallente Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.09.26 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler at least 15 days
Uhm, does that mean those 21 day trial codes from Eve Collectible Card Game boxes become suddenly valuable?
Then again, almost as easier to amend the rules if and when it becomes a problem..
-Lasse signed the idea of mandatory import of GTCs to tradeable ingame items
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Bill Shankly
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Posted - 2006.09.26 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel I am a bit confused about this GTC thing , CCP online store has 100 day GTC and 50 day , how do ppl even get those 90 day or 30 day cards for cash then ??
They are bought from other suppliers.
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