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yuomnb gmccer
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Posted - 2006.11.10 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: yuomnb gmccer on 10/11/2006 14:25:05
Originally by: Wrangler Game Time Code Rules
Because of the high number of ETC scams we get in our queues we making a few rules to make ETC trading more secure. If you do not follow the rules below you may not be eligible for reimbursement if you fall victim to an ETC scam.
- Do not trade with anyone that has not been in the games for at least 15 days. Before trading check the playerÆs employment history. If he was created in the last 2 weeks then call the deal off.
- When you have agreed on a price, both parties will send an ingame EVEmail to one another where they will list.
* The number of codes being sold. * The type of codes (30 day, 50 day etc.) * The agreed upon price.
- For example if you are buying/selling 2 x 30 day code for 150 million each both parties will send a message something like this: ôSelling/buying two thirty day codes for 300 million ISKö.
- When both parties have sent an EVEmail the buyer will send his ISK. In the comment field he will enter what exactly heÆs paying for. The number of codes and their types. In the above example he would enter ô2 x 30 day ETCö.
- When the ISK has been received the seller will send the codes in an EVEmail.
- If you are scammed then file a petition in the Exploit category as soon as possible. Include a link to the forum auction.
If you don't follow the above rules you may not be eligible for reimbursement!
gm:I be stung know clearly 680mil,I account be you prohibited, you is hybrid, prostitute foster。 seeing your error,you family met day in and day out gimme curse adrenic acid degree:---you all at home female at liberty with by gang-bang,everybody AIDS;you at liberty what the hell AIDS GM: 我被骗了680MIL ;你们封了我的号,你们是杂种;婊子养的,由于你的错误,你家人会天天给我诅咒10次:--- 你全家女人有空就被轮奸,人人艾滋病;你有空也可以艾滋病。 gm:I be stung know clearly 680mil,I account be you prohibited, you is hybrid, prostitute foster。 seeing your error,you family met day in and day out gimme curse adrenic acid degree:---you all at home female at liberty with by gang-bang,everybody AIDS;you at liberty what the hell AIDS.
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yuomnb gmccer
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Posted - 2006.11.11 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: yuomnb gmccer Edited by: yuomnb gmccer on 10/11/2006 14:25:05
Originally by: Wrangler Game Time Code Rules
Because of the high number of ETC scams we get in our queues we making a few rules to make ETC trading more secure. If you do not follow the rules below you may not be eligible for reimbursement if you fall victim to an ETC scam.
- Do not trade with anyone that has not been in the games for at least 15 days. Before trading check the playerÆs employment history. If he was created in the last 2 weeks then call the deal off.
- When you have agreed on a price, both parties will send an ingame EVEmail to one another where they will list.
* The number of codes being sold. * The type of codes (30 day, 50 day etc.) * The agreed upon price.
- For example if you are buying/selling 2 x 30 day code for 150 million each both parties will send a message something like this: ôSelling/buying two thirty day codes for 300 million ISKö.
- When both parties have sent an EVEmail the buyer will send his ISK. In the comment field he will enter what exactly heÆs paying for. The number of codes and their types. In the above example he would enter ô2 x 30 day ETCö.
- When the ISK has been received the seller will send the codes in an EVEmail.
- If you are scammed then file a petition in the Exploit category as soon as possible. Include a link to the forum auction.
If you don't follow the above rules you may not be eligible for reimbursement!
gm:I be stung know clearly 680mil,I account be you prohibited, you is hybrid, prostitute foster。 seeing your error,you family met day in and day out gimme curse adrenic acid degree:---you all at home female at liberty with by gang-bang,everybody AIDS;you at liberty what the hell AIDS GM: 我被骗了680MIL ;你们封了我的号,你们是杂种;婊子养的,由于你的错误,你家人会天天给我诅咒10次:--- 你全家女人有空就被轮奸,人人艾滋病;你有空也可以艾滋病。 gm:I be stung know clearly 680mil,I account be you prohibited, you is hybrid, prostitute foster。 seeing your error,you family met day in and day out gimme curse adrenic acid degree:---you all at home female at liberty with by gang-bang,everybody AIDS;you at liberty what the hell AIDS.
GM: 我被骗了680MIL ;你们封了我的号,你们是杂种;婊子养的,由于你的错误,你家人会天天给我诅咒10次:--- 你全家女人有空就被轮奸,人人艾滋病;你有空也可以艾滋病。 gm:I be stung know clearly 680mil,I account be you prohibited, you is hybrid, prostitute foster。 seeing your error,you family met day in and day out gimme curse adrenic acid degree:---you all at home female at liberty with by gang-bang,everybody AIDS;you at liberty what the hell AIDS
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Adriana Cita
Gallente Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.15 15:58:00 -
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I personaly think that the current system works great. Everyone that is worried about being scamed is protected, if you follow the rules. If you dont follow the rules of the game you are penalized, so, with GTC, it is no different.
I have sold a few GTC myself, and always, the person has used it right away, confirming its validity.
If you dont want to have that problem, use your credit card, if you dont have one, see about borrowing one, or PAYPAL does do verified chequing accounts, takes a few days, but at least you could then purchase a 14 day card to play.
The system is put in place so people technicaly 'can' play for free. Not to make it so that people can worry about their ability to play for free all the time.
It is up to you, the player, to make sure that you have a GTC or Credit Card to play, not CCP's. They simply put the options there for you.
It is your responsability to make sure that when you get back from vacation that you can log on, again, not CCP's.
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Fly Catcher
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Posted - 2006.11.19 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sidrat Mort Firstly this is a trial account I created in the hope of getting back into eve properly after allowing my main account to lapse.
I also do not have a credit or debit card facitily either. I am considering purchasing a splashplastic card and that will take time.
If you have a UK bank account you can use it to fund pay pal - and then buy a gtc from shattered crystal on paypal. Only need a 30 dayer (less than a tenner?) to get your main back up and running.
Thats a bank account - not a credit or debit card, just your sort code and account number required.
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Flowerpot
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Posted - 2006.11.19 22:02:00 -
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gtc worked fine - an honest man.
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Fliewatuet
Angelus dos Business
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Posted - 2006.11.23 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Flowerpot
gtc worked fine - an honest man.
Who? This isn't a gtc sale thread but the one with ccp's rules for gtc sales... :D -- |
DancesWithPods
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Posted - 2006.11.24 19:04:00 -
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Giant Container's gtc worked great TY
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Dehra Dun
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Posted - 2006.11.27 16:51:00 -
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Hi there. I regret to inform you that we do not support resales Game Time Codes. I'm afraid there is nothing we can do for you.
Best regards, GM Nova EVE Online Customer Support
can someone explain that to me ? or have i missed something ?
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Bri Kengarags
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Posted - 2006.12.01 21:04:00 -
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Very good seller!
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Tanya Stormrage
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Posted - 2006.12.03 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Tanya Stormrage on 03/12/2006 11:47:25 Now, if someone has suggested this before, sorry, didnt have the patience to read 4 pages of ppl saying thesame stuff
(also, couldn't find the "reply to topic" button, so i quoted and deleted the quote)
Anyhow, heres my suggestion=
why not make it possible to convert an EVE time card to an in-game item, it practically removes all the possible scams and utilizes the already existant trade, and newly added, contract system.
meet up, right click, trade, drop eve time code into box, wait for other part to drop in some $$$, u see the money, he sees the code ITEM, it IS valid since u've converted it from code into item using site (seems like the best way, idk if possible)
(u can right click the code item, it'll say XX day VALID time code)
the in-game item would be a usable item, or an openable letter of some sort, if usable - right click, "add time" - if letter, open, read, then copy code into browser and smack it in, bam! more time.
if possible, problem solved!
if not possible, o well seems like we'r stuck with ETC scammers
this is a trial account, my "real" account is suspended due to creditcard problems.
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Keradil
Caldari Cursed Spawn SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.05 09:06:00 -
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So, With this system we will basically be able to track the time code sale?
As in, if I sold a GTC to another person, used this system and that person decided "Hey, lets screw this guy over and say they didn't work", CCP GMs would be able to look at his account and notice that he activated the time codes I sent?
However, what if these guys choose not to use them immediately and then say they simply did not work? The seller is out his real money?
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Xlunax
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Posted - 2006.12.09 19:52:00 -
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I vote for Tanya's idea, but it seems even simpler. Just use the new contract system in Revelations. No need to meet up or anything else. It would even work for third party GTC sales. I think it would work like this: when we purchase a GTC it is not "owned"; in other words i can call anyone on the phone, give them the GTC verbally and they can use it. In this new case, you'd enter the GTC as an item. Obviously the system would check to see that its a valid/unused GTC. Then you enter this GTC into a contract where it is locked and unusable. When it is purchased (or the contract expires/cancelled), the GTC becomes "owned" by that account that gets the contract, and can only be used by that account unless it is re-contracted and purchased by another account. I kinda thought CCP would do this with Rev. Maybe they did and I just can't find GTCs as items. This system would completely put an end to all GTC issues. Anyone agree? disagree? Sorry in advance if its been discussed in the previous 4 pages already.
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Wieland II
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Posted - 2006.12.10 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Keradil
As in, if I sold a GTC to another person, used this system and that person decided "Hey, lets screw this guy over and say they didn't work", CCP GMs would be able to look at his account and notice that he activated the time codes I sent?
However, what if these guys choose not to use them immediately and then say they simply did not work? The seller is out his real money?
1. Yes. 2. The GMs can check if the code is a valid code.
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Yutterbium Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.14 10:29:00 -
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Edited by: Yutterbium Darkness on 14/12/2006 10:34:43 Sorry clicked wrong button
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Baleorg
Gallente Guys of Sarcasm
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Posted - 2006.12.14 18:50:00 -
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wodnering. wasnt there "yesterday" under accoutn service that "secure gtc trade" thingy? it seem to have vanished ---
BTW: A GOOD Cache-Cleaner |
Alex maximillian
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Posted - 2006.12.18 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: Alex maximillian on 18/12/2006 12:54:28 i agree with tanya but the item should have the code unseeable like an packed item when you unpack the code it would go directly in to an new menu in the character sheet showing the code an if you want to activate it
so if you wanted to see the code you couldnt trade it like skilll books work when you try to train it automactly goes to the skill menu
due to finacial problems i cant pay my only hope was buyng the code from someone but this new rule breaks me that thing this item would turn my account into payng acount and someone could make an petion about this it would get lot of votes(does trials account can make petions if can i will make them)
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R0ME0
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Posted - 2006.12.18 15:14:00 -
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there is now a secure way, using the new account service feature on your account under eve-o site.. No scamming anymore
R0ME0, Spelt with number 0, not letter o
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Destiny Calling
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2006.12.19 12:16:00 -
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As a seller -I had an interesting problem this week.
I sold a GTC to a chap, who was not an alt and the sale went through the books and followed all rules.
However the buyer paid me with money he had scammed from someone else. Once his scam was made know he was banned and the money withdrawn from my account and given back to the chap the scammer had scammed.
This is a nightmare situation, however providing you followed the rules you are protected, however this requires a thourough investigation and it can take several days for it to be resolved.
I'd just like to make sellers aware of this and stress the importance of doing it all by the book.
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Petina Mai
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Posted - 2006.12.21 00:42:00 -
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Is it just me, or has the secure ETC transfer function disappeared? I could have sworn it was up just yesterday.
BTW, did anybody get a chance to try it out? I was going to do that just now to find out the specifics of how it works, but obviously I can't atm.
Petina Mai
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Kamilka
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Posted - 2006.12.26 23:48:00 -
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Awesome service, thank you. Definitely recommended.
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Beckee
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Posted - 2006.12.30 18:02:00 -
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I write here as you and advise to inform about default by the player of obligations faster.
Deceit with GTC in game!!!!!!
Has found the seller at forum EVE. He has sent him the letter to me such: 2006.12.30 07:42 ok i selling 2*30gtc for 270m. -------------------- 2006.12.30 07:41 I want to buy 2 GTC on 135mil ISK for a piece. I send ISK 270mil.
I have sent him 270mill ISK!!!
And it(he) was gone. And WHO NOW WILL COMPENSATE? I have earned ISK I want to buy and??? Not ISK not GTC!! And accounts come to an end 31,12,2006!!! Understand.
Conversation in a chat: ---------------------------------------------------------------
Channel ID: 2115106116 Channel Name: Private Chat (alone) Listener: Beckee Session started: 2006.12.30 07:36:58 ---------------------------------------------------------------
[ 2006.12.30 07:37:17 ] Beckee > Hi:) [ 2006.12.30 07:37:24 ] oh happy > hi [ 2006.12.30 07:37:32 ] Beckee > U WTS GTC? [ 2006.12.30 07:37:41 ] oh happy > ye [ 2006.12.30 07:37:46 ] oh happy > 30gtc for 135 [ 2006.12.30 07:37:49 ] Beckee > ok [ 2006.12.30 07:38:10 ] Beckee > 2*135=270 [ 2006.12.30 07:38:36 ] oh happy > k [ 2006.12.30 07:38:42 ] oh happy > give me email [ 2006.12.30 07:39:00 ] Beckee > ok sec [ 2006.12.30 07:42:30 ] oh happy > sent email [ 2006.12.30 07:50:58 ] Beckee > and?:) [ 2006.12.30 07:53:21 ] oh happy > 1sec [ 2006.12.30 07:53:29 ] Beckee > :)ok
AND HE OFF-GAME!!!
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Inyourdreams
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Posted - 2007.01.03 08:29:00 -
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well just got scammed by shiftge looks like his thread is closed already. i petitioned in reimburstment group under escrow and trading since there was no suitable cathegory for that. Any idea how long can it take?
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Sasha Windsong
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Posted - 2007.01.03 23:58:00 -
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this is a mix of ideas and modified (I read page 1 and 2 and 4 :) so forgive me if it is already stated)
First CCP will create a station that players cannot go to. this station will be called GTC-Central. Players can purchase GTC online via a website. Upon purchase it will create an in-game item called GTC. You cannot destroy this GTC. It cannot be deleted. upon right click you can either.
1. Use it. Upon using it. It will add 30 days to your account. No refund 2. Sell it to market - It will follow normal market rules (taxes and such) You can input a price as if you were selling anything else in game with tax. When a player purchase this item, it will be in the GTC-Central and that player can just right click and use it or resell (again follow normal selling ingame tax and such. 3. This item cannot be MOVED it is a given since a player can't visit that station anyways :) it will always be on top of player asset (or bottom) if players have any GTC time card item
Optional: players can buy different type of card such as 30, 60, or 90 days GTC and it will be added, BUT to make things simplier it is better to stick with 30 days.
This way, there cannot be any scams, dupes, cheats etc etc. Players can hoard them. No "redeem" code needed since you have to activate the GTC item and it will automatically add time to your account.
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Kerpals
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Posted - 2007.01.06 02:33:00 -
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I'd like to ask, what about those who never see this thread?
I personally, recieve at least 3 ingame spam emails a weeks offering GTC for isk/cash.
So what of the person who does not read this thread, get's spammed ingame, thinks it's a good idea and then loses all their hard-earned isk to some scammer named erthhksdjkdf.
You have what, 250 THOUSAND players? I'm sorry ccp, but you can not use the "If they don't do it the carefull way; to bad" attitude. It's nonsense and you know it.
Personally, I say keep auditing emails and isk transfers, and prevent trial accounts from sending evemail period. Also prevent them not only sending, but recieving isk in amounts greater than say 500k, this way a person can help their noob friend have some fun , but a trial player can't be selling items (gtcs) for 150M + isk. --- Now for constructive suggestion: Turn GTC into an ingame item. Allow a user, who wishes to sell gtc's ingame, to add the GTC to their ingame inventory via the website. Then the GTC may be sold via auction or item transfer using ingame mechanics that can not be foiled.
When a player uses the website to add a GTC to their ingame inventory, the GTC would at that time be authenticated, thus preventing FALSE GTC from being added to anyone's ingame inventory.
This way there is no way to scam. If the person advertises GTC 90 day 150M you can view the auction and know instantly that what he is really selling is a single round of phased plasma s.
Feel free to contact me via email ccp.
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Ruhige Schmerz
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Posted - 2007.01.07 06:27:00 -
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Just thought I'd drop in and say that there is another (easy) way to handle the "Is it a full account" problem other than just looking at character age.
Trial accounts aren't (currently, anyway) allowed to send anything to other players in game, including ISK.
So, you could simply have the GTC seller send 1 ISK to the buyer as a first step. If they do, then they are a full account, even if they're only a day old.
Doesn't address any real scam issues I know, but it does provide a way to see if the seller is a real account and not a trial, without having to make any changes to the forum or elsewhere. |
Nuska
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Posted - 2007.01.09 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler If you check employment history in game, and the person is less than 15 days old, he is likely a trial account, or at least a very new account or alt. In either case, you shouldn't trust him.
I think this is a very unfortunate statement. I can see that CCP wants to cut down on the number of scams, and the 15 day rule is indeed sensible as it eliminates trial accounts.
However, implying that new accounts of alts can not be trusted is imho the wrong message to send as Community Manager.
If anything a new character has the need for isk and may be more likely to make the deal. Someone who has been in the game for a year doesn't bother with what is essentially buying 150m ISK for real money.
At the same time some people may want to avoid the stigma associated with ISK buying and use an alt to make their purchase.
In addition, what's CCP doing about professional ISK sellers? Look at the guy on this very forum who has hundreds of time codes in stock. What does he do with all the ISK he is getting? Consider that one can get 150M for US$15 (30-day ETC), 1 million ISK for $0.1, and that IGE is selling 1 million ISK for $0.21, you know what's happening to all that ISK. Professional virtual currency sellers are selling time codes on here, and doubling their profits by selling the ISK on their web site. All that under CCPs watch, because after all, it's good for business.
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Rakyz
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Posted - 2007.01.18 05:33:00 -
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What about those other sites selling GTCs for USD? Presumably, they were purchased for ISK, and are now being resold for USD. Is that allowed? Will I be perma-banned if I purchase from them?
That's not to say I'd be stupid enough to buy from a sketchy site in the first place.
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Angelic Resolution
Arcanum Defence Forces
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Posted - 2007.01.21 08:24:00 -
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Is getting to the point where there needs to be a seperate forum for GTC's and characters for sale.
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FiNAL FiGHT
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Posted - 2007.01.23 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Angelic Resolution Is getting to the point where there needs to be a seperate forum for GTC's and characters for sale.
Agreed - the GTC market is crowding up the items and character market.
Also, I love Sasha Windsong's idea about a tangible GTC that is an ingame item... the only problem is a way for vendors to submit these legitimately purchased timecodes and accurately appropriate them to the buying character. - I mean who would do that? The vendor, or CCP? I think the logistics of timecode delivery would be fairly complicated... ? Great idea, but if I had to chose this, or fix any number of other things - I'd choose others.
A separate sell forum for GTCs? Yes please. That seems like an easy fix.
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SN3263827
The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion
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Posted - 2007.01.30 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler A character younger than 15 days isn't necessarily a scammer and a character above 15 days might still be a scammer. But making sure the person you buy of is older than 15 days ensures it's a real account and not a trial account, which increases security a bit.
Not really. Scammer uses GTC to activate account. He then scams for the value of 10 GTCs. Result - he's up 9 GTCs.
An age limit of a lot more than 15 days is needed to make scamming so inconvenient as to be not worthwhile. _____________________________________________
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