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muhadin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
191
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Posted - 2014.12.08 08:10:05 -
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I feel like the major barrier of entry for wh space is that people don't like scanning, its tedious and it takes alot of time scanning out even a 5-10 jump wormhole chain. Ive been tossing around ideas about how to work around that. And the way wspace would operate if these changes went through.
So the general gist is to make wormholes like anoms 100% warp-to-able by any ship, no need to probe them. Null groups would just need to send out scout intys/dictors to find dynamic chains to elsewhere. Wh groups would just need to run down there chain quick and back to decide to keep it or not. WHs would be much more dangerous, because lets face it, its safer in wspace than highsec right now.
Alternatives would be a way to distiguish wormhole sigs from allthe other sigs. Because that is a majority of the issue right there, having to scan down almost every other sig to be sure its not a wh. Or have a fast ship that can see wormholes and warp to them without having to probe, maybe some sort of tech 3 wormhole frig. Or just make wormholes easy to hit, like 100% on 8au probes.
TLDR: Wormhole chains should be much much easier to populate and go through. Wormhole space is too safe.
"Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"
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Ron Mexxico
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
94
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Posted - 2014.12.08 08:11:28 -
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SOD OFF |
muhadin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
191
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Posted - 2014.12.08 08:12:16 -
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Ron Mexxico wrote:SOD OFF
Don't let this dirty carebear sway you.
"Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"
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Larry The Diplomat
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.12.08 08:13:03 -
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This would cause many a diplomatic incidents lol. JK wh space is too dangerous in my opinion we need to make it safer. |
Muzzaroo
Reikoku Pandemic Legion
1
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Posted - 2014.12.08 08:15:43 -
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"Lets take the Explore out of Explorations"
You Lazy bro? |
James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
357
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Posted - 2014.12.08 08:16:26 -
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No. Exploration income already been killed by the scanning changes, and WHs are hit by the major changes to how you come out of the hole.
IF you want to access WHs, then learn to scan.
Making battleships worth the warp
Tech 3 battleships.
Moar battleships
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King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
305
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Posted - 2014.12.08 09:11:53 -
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+1
Either make scanning hard again, or remove it. In its current form it's nothing but a useless time sink. |
Kniht
Team Pizza Disavowed.
70
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Posted - 2014.12.08 09:18:10 -
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muhadin wrote:So the general gist is to make wormholes like stargates. Isn't there already enough space with stargates?
o/ fly crazy
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2583
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Posted - 2014.12.08 09:21:01 -
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The only thing I would like to see when it comes to scanning down WHs, and I'm not sure it is even a good/balanced thing to do, is have the WH type show up in the scanner window. So you would get something like this.
ID - Unstable Wormhole - X702 - 100% |
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
112
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Posted - 2014.12.08 09:24:14 -
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King Fu Hostile wrote:+1
Either make scanning hard again, or remove it. In its current form it's nothing but a useless time sink.
Not sure if trolling or not. Scanning isn't easier than before, it's just less of a tedium ... if you like launching your probes one by one and arranging them in the same formation for the 10.000th time, I welcome you to do so. It's still possible you know?
Everything in wormhole space is balanced around scanning. There is no instant content and it should remain so ... |
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Dustpuppy
Rox Inc
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Posted - 2014.12.08 10:57:16 -
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-1
Scanning is part of exploration and wh belong to this part, too and it's already easy enough.
Making WH appearing like anoms wouldn't make them less safe, it would make them more safe. Jump in a WH and fly around cloaked without having to deploy probes makes me almost invisible. |
Belim Rawne
Hard Knocks Inc.
0
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Posted - 2014.12.08 11:26:42 -
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You break my heart Muhadin.
Gonna say no because otherwise i am not need in my Corp anymore. |
Simsung Padecain
Hard Knocks Inc.
55
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Posted - 2014.12.08 13:12:30 -
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Whatever your dealer sold you is not good for you |
BadAssMcKill
ElitistOps
925
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Posted - 2014.12.08 13:23:58 -
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He's right
Scanning isn't hard, its just tedious |
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
408
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Posted - 2014.12.08 14:03:29 -
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Going to pass on that. Especially since cloaky T3 fleets could just warp wh to wh and only be visible for a couple of seconds as they jump into a new system, hit d scan and start warping to sites.
Essentially what you are describing is the end of small corporations in wh space. |
Isabella Omega
Incertae Sedis
18
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Posted - 2014.12.08 14:04:38 -
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-1
Too lazy to probe down a WH you don't deserve the rewards of the WH income. And he'll no WH isn't safe. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5436
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Posted - 2014.12.08 14:11:55 -
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I'd just move them to their own category so you have Anomaly, Wormhole and Signature. That's the most in simplification I'd agree to.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
168
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Posted - 2014.12.08 14:19:36 -
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We actually need to drip the ore anoms back to being scannable, its rare that you can mine an anom and a ganker shows up via alt leaves a lot if anoms are left untouched due to it
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
799
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Posted - 2014.12.08 14:28:29 -
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Ab'del Abu wrote:Not sure if trolling or not. Scanning isn't easier than before, it's just less of a tedium ... if you like launching your probes one by one and arranging them in the same formation for the 10.000th time, I welcome you to do so. It's still possible you know?
Everything in wormhole space is balanced around scanning. There is no instant content and it should remain so ... I think he refers to discovery scanner and how it gives away the very fact of signatures being present in system and location you need to scan.
I can't help but to compare it to more traditional MMOs and their design philosophy of "see this pile? if your skill is equal or more than 100, apply tool and get goodies".
Then again, before we had tools that could trivialize any system to this, making the process just a time sink again, so I dunno... |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Volition Cult
850
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Posted - 2014.12.08 14:58:18 -
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If WHs showed up as anoms it would mean that it would be impossible to get stuck in a WH. The risk of getting stuck in a WH is part of the risk/reward balance for some of a small fleet not wasting a high slot on a probe launcher.
Personally, I don't think this would be a good thing, overall.
-1 |
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muhadin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
192
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Posted - 2014.12.08 15:14:23 -
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While the main idea may be too extreme that it would break wormholes currently. Making wormholes easier to probe/Distinguishing wormhole sigs from other sigs, would be a small but massive step in the right direction.
"Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"
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Sundial Hakaari
Solar Fields Corp.
1
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Posted - 2014.12.08 15:15:22 -
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If this change was made there would be far less people in C1-C2 wormholes to hunt because hunting would be easy mode. You have less people checking out the lower classifications then you have less people trickling up to higher classifications over time. I want more targets in wormholes thinking they are safe, not less.
I find it somewhat entertaining that you think WH space is safer than highsec. Every time you do any activity uncloaked you are potentially landing on a site that someone else already probed out or is simply an anom and there is a cloaky tackle ship waiting for you. Dscan doesn't protect you against this kind of attack and local sure as hell isn't going to.
You should need a specialized ship/equipment to get the benefits of scanning down wormhole chains. Scanning is already a quick and well rewarded activity currently if you are good at it. Completely trivializing it because some people are too lazy to do it for whatever reason is stupid.
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muhadin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
192
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Posted - 2014.12.08 15:17:32 -
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Please don't mistake this for lazyness. I scan an absolute ton in wormhole space currently and i am fine with it.
My main goal here is to point out the fact that there are a ton of people who have no interest in wh space primarily because of the tediousness of scanning, and that in and of itself is a huge loss to the activity of wspace.
"Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1391
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Posted - 2014.12.08 15:30:01 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote: I think he refers to discovery scanner and how it gives away the very fact of signatures being present in system and location you need to scan.
Didn't people used to run that 256 AU probe to spot all sigs in system and then compare to a spreadsheet and directly know what most of them were?
Also, no to OP's idea. |
Sundial Hakaari
Solar Fields Corp.
1
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Posted - 2014.12.08 15:42:27 -
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muhadin wrote:Please don't mistake this for lazyness. I scan an absolute ton in wormhole space currently and i am fine with it.
My main goal here is to point out the fact that there are a ton of people who have no interest in wh space primarily because of the tediousness of scanning, and that in and of itself is a huge loss to the activity of wspace.
I like your alternative idea, but wouldn't that make new K162's less of a "surprise" factor if you can just see them as a new anom? I feel like that would make wormholes more safe instead of less.
Increasing the signal strength of wormholes and/or decrease the complexity of the astrometric skills would be another option. |
Severnij Veter
Amamake Liberation Force
0
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Posted - 2014.12.08 15:48:24 -
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Sundial Hakaari wrote:[quote=muhadin]
Increasing the signal strength of wormholes and/or decrease the complexity of the astrometric skills would be another option.
This sounds more interesting |
Leoric Firesword
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Redux
96
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Posted - 2014.12.08 16:04:54 -
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-5
so let me understand this, you want WH's to not have to be scanned, so you can get to W-space, where you have to scan pretty much everything? |
Iain Cariaba
707
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Posted - 2014.12.08 16:38:53 -
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muhadin wrote:Please don't mistake this for lazyness. I scan an absolute ton in wormhole space currently and i am fine with it.
My main goal here is to point out the fact that there are a ton of people who have no interest in wh space primarily because of the tediousness of scanning, and that in and of itself is a huge loss to the activity of wspace. And those people should not be rewarded for their unwillingness to probe the wormholes down. If you want the benefits, you need to expend the effort to achieve it.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
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scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Cirrius Technologies O X I D E
349
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:10:57 -
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-a lot This is a terrible idea. I'm not entirely sure that even ore belts should be visible without scanning, I see no reason why wormholes should just appear at 100% or why doing so would be a step in the right direction. Scanning isn't hard, it isn't that tedious unless you're either bad at it or scanning entirely too much, and if you aren't willing to scan then you don't belong in wormholes. Just like if you aren't willing to blob you don't belong in null. (Or something like that)
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Alundil
Isogen 5
785
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Posted - 2014.12.08 19:18:35 -
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muhadin wrote:While the main idea may be too extreme that it would break wormholes currently. Making wormholes easier to probe/Distinguishing wormhole sigs from other sigs, would be a small but massive step in the right direction. First: -1, do not support this idea. Second: What "right direction"?
You claim that people are not in wspace because they do not want to scan. There are thousands of other systems for them to play in then that require no scanning whatsoever. Wspace was designed to be different for a reason. Scanning for entrance/exit/content is part and parcel of the space itself.
I'm right behind you
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