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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
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Posted - 2014.11.13 16:19:24 -
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Amarrian Cougar wrote:Thera will NOT be the next Jita, it won't even be the next Dodixie or Rens. It will most likely end up being the next Rancer.
No one is going to jump bulk amounts of goods into a system where they can be killed at will. Capitals aren't allowed so you can't even do it with some sneaky cyno tactics. While there may be no static gates, considering it takes a good prober under a minutes to find a wormhole entrance/exit, they're will still be bubbles out the wahzoo on all exits. Thera is just going to turn into a massive battleground, probably between the big coalitions. Whoever controls that system would have a hub that exits to all corners of the galaxy and would thus be the most important strategic system in the entire EVE universe. It would also be one of the most valuable systems in the EVE universe simply due to the amount of content it would create. No more looking for a fight, there will be gangs from all over coming in to cause trouble, all the time. Single serving fights at a moments notice.
Thera is going to be the PVP arena of EVE, not the new market arena. To be fair, they did not simply say "Thera will be the next Jita". They said "Thera will be like Jita without Concord, a major hub for those of a more lawless disposition". Commerce and manufacturing are implied with their emphasis on including all of the necessary facilities, as well as the game mechanics of the system making it much more difficult than normal to lock it down. But they at no point implied that it would be just like Jita in all ways, only in as far as it's capabilities and level of activity is concerned.
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
71
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Posted - 2014.11.13 16:24:59 -
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Amarrian Cougar wrote:Thera is going to be the PVP arena of EVE, not the new market arena.
The PVP arena of EVE is all of EVE. Nobody needs a named wormhole system for that.
Also I love your name. It gave me a nice giggle. |
Lakshata Chawla
Blue-Fire
109
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Posted - 2014.11.13 16:32:46 -
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Ka'Narlist wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:if indeed a Jita without Concord can be controlled by one entity?
Jita means a major trade hub where everyone and their mother brings their stuff to sell it. How do you think this will happen in a system where everyone is ganking everyone?
Im not seeing the difference... |
Leannor
Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates.
2
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Posted - 2014.11.13 16:36:02 -
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Lakshata Chawla wrote:Ka'Narlist wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:if indeed a Jita without Concord can be controlled by one entity?
Jita means a major trade hub where everyone and their mother brings their stuff to sell it. How do you think this will happen in a system where everyone is ganking everyone? Im not seeing the difference...
there's is a very very very small level of gankage in Jita. Made louder by disproportionatly loud complaints of victims.
It's roughly 99% odds of not being ganked, if you're not afk.
Compared to entering a 0.0 hub-ish system with the reverse. |
Cypher Decypher
Flowery Twats
37
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Posted - 2014.11.13 17:25:40 -
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Burl en Daire wrote:... I have all scanning skills maxed and mid virtues so I do pretty well at scanning so yes, even in 100+ AU systems scanning can be done quickly. 500+ systems will still be tough.
Sure - but you're making an assumption that within Thera they're keeping the "spawn within 8AU of a planet" rule. CCP could easily triple that or even spawn holes anywhere in-system - in which case even with 8 x 32AU probes at minimal overlap in a 200AU diameter system, you'll need at least half a dozen preliminary scans just to cover the full area.
The point is we don't know what mechanics CCP have adjusted - or indeed are keeping up their sleeve. What's pretty certain is that it will be a sandox within a sandbox, and CCP will be tweaking it to make it work. And as I see it, that will be led by finding the right balance between risk and reward for industrialists as well as the envisaged oasis of lawlessness and derring-do. |
Anslo
Scope Works
21243
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Posted - 2014.11.13 17:32:42 -
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Frig/dessie only holes.
Yes.
**** yes.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Starrakatt
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
122
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Posted - 2014.11.13 17:48:11 -
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Thera Dev Blog is out: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/thera-and-the-shattered-wormholes/?_ga=1.47709351.1268328153.1415655716
342+ AU system, 4 SoE stations, interesting times are coming to us.
Forsaken Asylum's ways
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Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
602
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Posted - 2014.11.13 18:04:36 -
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And with all the currently interesting lore entries pointing at it Thera is getting more interesting by the day |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
5985
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:13:24 -
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Thanks for that. These things always happen while I'm at work.
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Mharius Skjem
Opacity Circles
125
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:39:47 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Since we are about to have a new type of space introduced to New Eden, and THERA is poised to be the largest and most important system in that new type of space, who is going to be moving there on a permanent or part time basis? Perhaps more importantly, who is going to try and control it, if indeed a Jita without Concord can be controlled by one entity? Edit: It occurs to me that some people may not be up to speed on this, you can find a run down on what we know (and don't know) about Thera here.
If I were going, I wouldn't tell everyone on the forums.
As for jita without concord...
er no...
It won't be.
At best it will become a diplomatic outpost and meeting place for the elite scum of the cluster.
A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
247
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:40:46 -
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Interesting Link, here are the new confirmed I learned:
Four NPC stations
K162 connections that can connect it to W-space
Freighters will be able to squeeze in
The stations are spread between three different planets at the edges of the system and warps between them can be up to 342 AU.
Anchored warp disruption bubbles will not be usable within Thera, although interdictor and heavy interdictor bubbles work normally.
The Thera system is colonized by a research expedition organized by The Sanctuary corporation, and more information about their presence in Thera will be revealed bit by bit in the future.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
5985
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:50:40 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Interesting Link, here are the new confirmed I learned:
Four NPC stations
K162 connections that can connect it to W-space
Freighters will be able to squeeze in
The stations are spread between three different planets at the edges of the system and warps between them can be up to 342 AU.
Anchored warp disruption bubbles will not be usable within Thera, although interdictor and heavy interdictor bubbles work normally.
The Thera system is colonized by a research expedition organized by The Sanctuary corporation, and more information about their presence in Thera will be revealed bit by bit in the future.
Everything is pretty much as I thought it might be with one exception, I'm concerned that there are only 4 NPC stations there. Granted they are extremely far apart, but still 4 stations can be locked down by for coordinating teams. They just won't be able to back each other up quickly.
Well, that and they may have changed their mind about a system wide effect.... or simply want to bring it in a bit later as part of a storyline event.
Hmm, I wonder if this is going to affect the availability of SOE ships.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
5985
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:55:00 -
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Mharius Skjem wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Since we are about to have a new type of space introduced to New Eden, and THERA is poised to be the largest and most important system in that new type of space, who is going to be moving there on a permanent or part time basis? Perhaps more importantly, who is going to try and control it, if indeed a Jita without Concord can be controlled by one entity? Edit: It occurs to me that some people may not be up to speed on this, you can find a run down on what we know (and don't know) about Thera here. If I were going, I wouldn't tell everyone on the forums. As for jita without concord... er no... It won't be. At best it will become a diplomatic outpost and meeting place for the elite scum of the cluster. Possibly, but I think the activity levels in there will be a bit beyond what I would consider an "outpost", and that sounds pretty much exactly like what a Jita without Concord would be like.
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
247
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:20:34 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Interesting Link, here are the new confirmed I learned:
Four NPC stations
K162 connections that can connect it to W-space
Freighters will be able to squeeze in
The stations are spread between three different planets at the edges of the system and warps between them can be up to 342 AU.
Anchored warp disruption bubbles will not be usable within Thera, although interdictor and heavy interdictor bubbles work normally.
The Thera system is colonized by a research expedition organized by The Sanctuary corporation, and more information about their presence in Thera will be revealed bit by bit in the future.
Everything is pretty much as I thought it might be with one exception, I'm concerned that there are only 4 NPC stations there. Granted they are extremely far apart, but still 4 stations can be locked down by for coordinating teams. They just won't be able to back each other up quickly. And if those 4 stations can be locked down even temporarily by heavy interdictors, thats going to create a rather large problem for a lot of the people that would like to manufacture there. Well, that and they may have changed their mind about a system wide effect.... or simply want to bring it in a bit later as part of a storyline event. Hmm, I wonder if this is going to affect the availability of SOE ships.
I was hoping there would be 8+ stations. 30-40 pilots on each station with bigger support fleets hanging out in the middle of the system might be enough to lock it down.
If I was still heavy into manufacture, I'd aim to have 200 plus interdictors ready to sell in those stations.
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Nightingale Actault
Big Richard Club
38
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:25:19 -
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Just to clarify, as it seems there are some misconceptions here regarding cynos in WHs.
You CAN light and use both regular and covert cynos in WHs.
You cannot jump to a cyno in a WH from another system, so a cyno lit in Thera will only be useable if both you and the cyno are within the Thera system. |
Paranoid Loyd
2608
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:26:04 -
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I kinda felt like this came out of nowhere when I read it, makes plenty of sense now.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
8478
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:27:22 -
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yes yes very nice.. new space... I want the Raven model on the table!!!
I like Battleships.
Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap.
Your old Friends can use me for 7 days, free!!!
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1781
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:36:29 -
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It'll be the only trade hum more poorly stocked than Rebs. |
Paranoid Loyd
2608
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:39:10 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:It'll be the only trade hum more poorly stocked than Rebs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZYKVNT-VWA
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5660
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Posted - 2014.11.13 23:25:55 -
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LOL
Here is what we call a "disconnect" in perception:
Quote:Anchored warp disruption bubbles will not be usable within Thera, although interdictor and heavy interdictor bubbles work normally.
Then:
Quote:As always, we know that our players will take EVEGÇÖs new features in creative directions that we at CCP can never fully foresee...
Uh.... Hello?
I'll take gankfest for 400.
I'm more interested in the "events" they speak of. I hope they are un-planned unscheduled live events like what was done for the Incursions. If it's more " OK here is what's going to happen at this exact time so everybody and their brother get ready!" then that too will be meh.
Skill que at 138 days...
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Waltaratzor
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.11.14 00:43:36 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Ka'Narlist wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:if indeed a Jita without Concord can be controlled by one entity?
Jita means a major trade hub where everyone and their mother brings their stuff to sell it. How do you think this will happen in a system where everyone is ganking everyone? A couple of reasons: 1: Apparently due to sheer incredible size, and quite possibly new system mechanics, it will be difficult if not impossible to lock the system down. Too huge, too many ways in and out. 2: It's connected to... literally... everywhere. Depending on how this is handled it could be the most convenient market hub in all of New Eden.
On point 1. The problem isn't getting into the system. Its getting into the trade station itself, which will undoubtedly be camped 23/7. Especially if you are in a freighter. And if freighters can't navigate it, it won't be a trade hub. |
Nightingale Actault
Big Richard Club
38
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Posted - 2014.11.14 01:00:07 -
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Waltaratzor wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Ka'Narlist wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:if indeed a Jita without Concord can be controlled by one entity?
Jita means a major trade hub where everyone and their mother brings their stuff to sell it. How do you think this will happen in a system where everyone is ganking everyone? A couple of reasons: 1: Apparently due to sheer incredible size, and quite possibly new system mechanics, it will be difficult if not impossible to lock the system down. Too huge, too many ways in and out. 2: It's connected to... literally... everywhere. Depending on how this is handled it could be the most convenient market hub in all of New Eden. On point 1. The problem isn't getting into the system. Its getting into the trade station itself, which will undoubtedly be camped 23/7. Especially if you are in a freighter. And if freighters can't navigate it, it won't be a trade hub.
I disagree, I've stocked a trade hub personally using nothing but Blockade Runners and DST. It sure takes a lot longer than a freighter or JF, but it can be done. |
Paynus Maiassus
Capital Munitions
170
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Posted - 2014.11.14 01:16:53 -
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Thera looks like a cool place. It won't work as a hub. The only hubs in PvP space that work are those used by major territory holding alliances where access to them can be controlled. Bubbles or no bubbles, anywhere that can be gotten to by anybody will fail as a trade hub. Thera will be taken over by a group. If that group runs some kind of police operation like an altered version of NRDS where they punish all aggressors, a diverse Mos Eisley culture will develop. But if the group that gains control of Thera ends up shooting anyone that isn't them, it will be used as a raid center.
Most likely the Goons will take it over and use its random connections to raid far off lands. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere Republic of the 5phere
869
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Posted - 2014.11.14 01:18:31 -
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Wait, are bubbles allowed? If so, I can see some dedicated groups looking to take complete control, regardless of the size of the system. Specifically Null sec groups, I can imagine them seeing a massive advantage in owning a system that connects to pretty much everywhere.
Assuming bubbles are not allowed, I'm extremely excited at the idea of Thera. I might even move there and live the dream!
Post with your main, like a BOSS!
And no, i don't live in highsec. -áAs if that would make your opinion any less wrong. -á
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Bullet Therapist
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
177
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Posted - 2014.11.14 01:40:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote:Wait, are bubbles allowed? If so, I can see some dedicated groups looking to take complete control, regardless of the size of the system. Specifically Null sec groups, I can imagine them seeing a massive advantage in owning a system that connects to pretty much everywhere. Assuming bubbles are not allowed, I'm extremely excited at the idea of Thera. I might even move there and live the dream!
No anchorable bubbles are allowed. Hictor and dictor bubbles are still allowed, but depending on the geometry of the stations it's probably not going to be hard to avoid them. |
Cypher Decypher
Flowery Twats
37
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Posted - 2014.11.14 09:24:08 -
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Bullet Therapist wrote:Xen Solarus wrote:Wait, are bubbles allowed? If so, I can see some dedicated groups looking to take complete control, regardless of the size of the system. Specifically Null sec groups, I can imagine them seeing a massive advantage in owning a system that connects to pretty much everywhere. Assuming bubbles are not allowed, I'm extremely excited at the idea of Thera. I might even move there and live the dream! No anchorable bubbles are allowed. Hictor and dictor bubbles are still allowed, but depending on the geometry of the stations it's probably not going to be hard to avoid them.
I played on SISI last night and mosied around Thera for a few hours. There are 4 SoE stations, two of which are barely 350km apart. It will be pretty simple to strangle traffic to any of them with a group of hictors, particularly undocking, which makes the place unattractive to industrialists trying to push freighters (which are allowed) through.
Basically, Thera will be ripe for a large corp/alliance takeover unless CCP further alter the mechanics. |
Aivo Dresden
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
390
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Posted - 2014.11.14 09:36:47 -
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You guys do realise that there won't be any gates there, or back right? You will have to fit a probe launcher, or take an alt scanner. Even then, finding WH exits to people who are not experienced with it, can be tricky and time consuming. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
21273
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Posted - 2014.11.14 09:49:44 -
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Aivo Dresden wrote:You guys do realise that there won't be any gates there, or back right? You will have to fit a probe launcher, or take an alt scanner. Even then, finding WH exits to people who are not experienced with it, can be tricky and time consuming. Yep sure. I'll go take a look and spend some time there if there is a well stocked market.
Should be a good place to shoot and be shot at.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Aivo Dresden
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
390
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Posted - 2014.11.14 09:53:57 -
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I think a lot of people forget how WHs work. You can only put so much mass through a hole as well. You won't be able to just fly through a 100+ battleship fleet. Forget about that. You'll also close the hole behind you, so getting back to your K-space staging system might be a bit of a pain.
It'll be interesting for sure, but I think a lot of people just aren't really familiar with WH mechanics and are being wildly ... imaginative. |
Leannor
Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates.
2
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Posted - 2014.11.14 10:55:48 -
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Nightingale Actault wrote: I disagree, I've stocked a trade hub personally using nothing but Blockade Runners and DST. It sure takes a lot longer than a freighter or JF, but it can be done.
just because it can, don't mean it will. It's all effort versus reward, and volume. BR's are tiny by comparison and markets can be hungry. Chances are, unless you're allied with the controlling forces, then you will not be able to keep up, and the allied suppliers will be high enough in volume to keep prices low enough so as to not make it worth anyon'es while spending time and effort on a high risk venture (whene there's better and easier rewards elsewhere).
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