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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
745
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Posted - 2014.11.12 17:52:06 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:No, only because they chose to go with a name that's been rehashed to death by old browser games since the 90's: "Thera". Thats just Earth jumbled up.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
5975
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Posted - 2014.11.12 18:55:52 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:No, only because they chose to go with a name that's been rehashed to death by old browser games since the 90's: "Thera". Thats just Earth jumbled up. I'm not familiar with any other sci fi game that features a place called Thera (although I certainly could have overlooked some)... however I am familiar with ancient Thera here on earth which would appear to be very similar to what we will see in game.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
5975
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Posted - 2014.11.12 18:59:33 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:Jur Tissant wrote:I am skeptical.
They compare it to a virtual Mos Eisley. But in Mos Eisley, you still watched your step for fear of getting shot if you pissed someone off. In EVE, this fear does not exist, or is severely mitigated.
It's like DayZ. In the real apocalypse, you can't trust anyone. In the virtual apocalypse, you can trust everyone - to shoot you for giggles. Pretty much this. They're comparing apples and oranges with this Moss Icily thing. One for the simple fact that if things go wrong in one, you are perma-dead. I think you are missing the point of the Mos Eisley reference. It refers to Mos Eisley being a "wretched hive of scum and villainy" and has little, if anything, to do with what happens when you die. I'm not even sure why people would try to make that comparison.
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
813
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Posted - 2014.11.12 19:13:05 -
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Thera systems are on the map and covert cyno's can be lit once in system?
Thera systems are not on the map and all traffic is herded through wormholes.
Those are the questions that determine how fast Thera content decays in to control by blob, exclusive to blues content. |
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
373
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Posted - 2014.11.12 19:24:56 -
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Ocih wrote:Thera systems are on the map and covert cyno's can be lit once in system?
Thera systems are not on the map and all traffic is herded through wormholes.
Those are the questions that determine how fast Thera content decays in to control by blob, exclusive to blues content.
It's a w-space with some special rules thrown in, guess if cynoing capitals in is part of that equation when CCP Fozzie explicitly stated that you cannot bring or even build capitals in Thera ?
Not to mention that no cynos or even clonevats for that matter work in regular w-space and I would be very surprised if they would work in Thera either. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
813
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Posted - 2014.11.12 19:32:08 -
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Baneken wrote:Ocih wrote:Thera systems are on the map and covert cyno's can be lit once in system?
Thera systems are not on the map and all traffic is herded through wormholes.
Those are the questions that determine how fast Thera content decays in to control by blob, exclusive to blues content. It's a w-space with some special rules thrown in, guess if cynoing capitals in is part of that equation when CCP Fozzie explicitly stated that you cannot bring or even build capitals in Thera ? Not to mention that no cynos or even clonevats for that matter work in regular w-space and I would be very surprised if they would work in Thera either.
And I said covert cyno's, not cyno's.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5658
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Posted - 2014.11.12 19:43:28 -
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Charlie Firpol wrote:There will be 1000 unsuccessful tries to get ships and modules in, people will be getting angry how CCP could even think this is a good idea. It will be a gankers paradise!
Then there will be very few people actually able to get ships and modules in, and they will sell them. For a ton of ISK. They might get filthy rich. And they will say it was the best idea ever. Its a good traders paradise!
Granted that when you can mine in almost total peace with Concord you see lots of min-maxing and isboxing galore too.
And if you are given a gankers paradise, an ability to create choke points and no space police, we'll see the SAME exact min-maxing obsession not with ISK but with kills.
But your assertion might not be correct. If it's a gankers paradise and only a few manage to get modules in for sale, who will buy them?
There won't be mining because that would last 30 seconds. But it's not known what the science and industry availability would be (knowledge check?)
If it is set up to be a gankers paradise and it's just "EC-P8R in wormhole" I would not be surprised to see a large alliance take control and make it possible to use it - for a protection fee of course. Or something like that. Who knows.
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Tikitina
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
213
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:05:34 -
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Ocih wrote:Baneken wrote:Ocih wrote:Thera systems are on the map and covert cyno's can be lit once in system?
Thera systems are not on the map and all traffic is herded through wormholes.
Those are the questions that determine how fast Thera content decays in to control by blob, exclusive to blues content. It's a w-space with some special rules thrown in, guess if cynoing capitals in is part of that equation when CCP Fozzie explicitly stated that you cannot bring or even build capitals in Thera ? Not to mention that no cynos or even clonevats for that matter work in regular w-space and I would be very surprised if they would work in Thera either. And I said covert cyno's, not cyno's.
I think "no cynos" means all types of cynos, including the covert ones.
The only advantages covert ones have anyways are that they don't show up as a celestial beacon and they bypass Sov cyno jammers. Oh, you can't warp to them either if they are on grid.
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Tikitina
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
213
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:10:00 -
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Nick Bete wrote:Placing a major trade hub in the middle of a lawless piece of space is like placing a stock exchange in downtown Mogadishu. What could possibly go wrong?
CCP can't place a major trade hub anywhere. Its up to the players to decided where such a thing is.
All CCP can do is place a unique system with very different properties and see what happens. In any case, it will be interesting, especially where the backstory goes, as in things to come....
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
5977
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:43:16 -
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Baneken wrote:Ocih wrote:Thera systems are on the map and covert cyno's can be lit once in system?
Thera systems are not on the map and all traffic is herded through wormholes.
Those are the questions that determine how fast Thera content decays in to control by blob, exclusive to blues content. It's a w-space with some special rules thrown in, guess if cynoing capitals in is part of that equation when CCP Fozzie explicitly stated that you cannot bring or even build capitals in Thera ? Not to mention that no cynos or even clonevats for that matter work in regular w-space and I would be very surprised if they would work in Thera either. No capital ships doesn't necessarily mean no covert cyno's but I find it doubtful that Thera will be in range for a covert battleship bridge or jump into system.
However the NPC stations will be fully clone capable.
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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
373
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:57:42 -
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Seems like a little lore time: Normal or covert cyno won't work because w-space are no one knows where except that they are far enough part for a cyno to not work from k-space or w-space. Cyno doesn't work in empire because of cyno jammers placed in each "civilized" system that empire has namely that is high sec and obviously empires also have better cyno jammers then capsuleers since they work on covert cynos as well but then again who knows what else was scooped by the empires before "project Crielere" fell flat on it's face.
That's the lore part the actual in-game reason is that CCP just didn't want you to easy mode stuff into W-holes nor dropping bombers on miners in high sec. |
Hamish McRothimay
Norse Complex Inc
2
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:24:04 -
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Tikitina wrote:Nick Bete wrote:Placing a major trade hub in the middle of a lawless piece of space is like placing a stock exchange in downtown Mogadishu. What could possibly go wrong? CCP can't place a major trade hub anywhere. Its up to the players to decided where such a thing is. All CCP can do is place a unique system with very different properties and see what happens. In any case, it will be interesting, especially where the backstory goes, as in things to come....
I suppose you could push trade there by banning the sale of certain things in k-sapce markets and SCC doesn't wan capsuleers to have certain items
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/scc-set-to-increase-prices-on-sleeper-components/ |
Cypher Decypher
Flowery Twats
36
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Posted - 2014.11.12 22:13:11 -
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Frankly, for now it's all postulating. We don't know until SISI just what the rules are. No Local, and big, That's all we know. The rest is up for grabs...
Since Fozzie mentioned that this is going to be a place of opportunity - and he laid a fairly loaded reference to industry - I suspect that Thera's physics will allow cynos. And possibly disallow bubbles. So given the inferred size (400+ AU anyone?) of Thera's dimensions, that would give the indy guys enough wiggle room to make it work.
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
902
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Posted - 2014.11.12 22:30:52 -
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I predict Thera will be the place to 'find' mercenaries.
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Heather Austrene
Fried Liver Attack
25
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:41:46 -
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The one thing that I think could make it a center of trade, regardless of the risk from pirates, is if there was some game mechanic that made it SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper to manufacture there. |
Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
75
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:08:19 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Burl en Daire wrote:I don't know if they are but with any system that starts pushing 100 AU it is going to take a while to scan. The system I live in is just under 70 and combat probes at max range and max spread just covers it. Who knows if they'll bring them back but now is the time. A competent prober can hit specific targets in under 2 minutes upon entering a 70 au system with normal combat probes. making it 600 and not bring back deeps brings an element of luck to tracking down pvers.
I have all scanning skills maxed and mid virtues so I do pretty well at scanning so yes, even in 100+ AU systems scanning can be done quickly. 500+ systems will still be tough.
Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why.
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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3465
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:25:56 -
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It will quickly become de-facto owned by one group, and occasionally change hands. It won't be anything like Jita, perhaps something closer to old VFK. It is human nature to secure advantages over your competition. If it can be secured, it will be, even if systems don't make it easy. |
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3465
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:28:01 -
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Burl en Daire wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Burl en Daire wrote:I don't know if they are but with any system that starts pushing 100 AU it is going to take a while to scan. The system I live in is just under 70 and combat probes at max range and max spread just covers it. Who knows if they'll bring them back but now is the time. A competent prober can hit specific targets in under 2 minutes upon entering a 70 au system with normal combat probes. making it 600 and not bring back deeps brings an element of luck to tracking down pvers. I have all scanning skills maxed and mid virtues so I do pretty well at scanning so yes, even in 100+ AU systems scanning can be done quickly. 500+ systems will still be tough.
Not really. It is mostly open space. Familiarity with how people move and anoms spawn means the actual area you have to cover by scans is still going to be miniscule unless you want a deep sweep. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
5979
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:40:04 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Burl en Daire wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Burl en Daire wrote:I don't know if they are but with any system that starts pushing 100 AU it is going to take a while to scan. The system I live in is just under 70 and combat probes at max range and max spread just covers it. Who knows if they'll bring them back but now is the time. A competent prober can hit specific targets in under 2 minutes upon entering a 70 au system with normal combat probes. making it 600 and not bring back deeps brings an element of luck to tracking down pvers. I have all scanning skills maxed and mid virtues so I do pretty well at scanning so yes, even in 100+ AU systems scanning can be done quickly. 500+ systems will still be tough. Not really. It is mostly open space. Familiarity with how people move and anoms spawn means the actual area you have to cover by scans is still going to be miniscule unless you want a deep sweep. I have a strong hunch that anything worthwhile is going to be scattered mostly around the rim of the system, maximizing the difficulty of finding something and of getting people there quickly. That would best leverage some of the "natural advantages" the system would provide to free trade without too much in the way of artificial restrictions.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
5979
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:42:08 -
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Hamish McRothimay wrote:Tikitina wrote:Nick Bete wrote:Placing a major trade hub in the middle of a lawless piece of space is like placing a stock exchange in downtown Mogadishu. What could possibly go wrong? CCP can't place a major trade hub anywhere. Its up to the players to decided where such a thing is. All CCP can do is place a unique system with very different properties and see what happens. In any case, it will be interesting, especially where the backstory goes, as in things to come.... I suppose you could push trade there by banning the sale of certain things in k-sapce markets and SCC doesn't wan capsuleers to have certain items http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/scc-set-to-increase-prices-on-sleeper-components/ Good find! That could be part of the process to convert sleeper reverse engineering to be more like invention, or it could be a move to make these "new" systems THE place to manufacture tech 3.
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
814
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Posted - 2014.11.13 05:04:46 -
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Tikitina wrote:Ocih wrote:Baneken wrote:Ocih wrote:Thera systems are on the map and covert cyno's can be lit once in system?
Thera systems are not on the map and all traffic is herded through wormholes.
Those are the questions that determine how fast Thera content decays in to control by blob, exclusive to blues content. It's a w-space with some special rules thrown in, guess if cynoing capitals in is part of that equation when CCP Fozzie explicitly stated that you cannot bring or even build capitals in Thera ? Not to mention that no cynos or even clonevats for that matter work in regular w-space and I would be very surprised if they would work in Thera either. And I said covert cyno's, not cyno's. I think "no cynos" means all types of cynos, including the covert ones. The only advantages covert ones have anyways are that they don't show up as a celestial beacon and they bypass Sov cyno jammers. Oh, you can't warp to them either if they are on grid.
The 'advantage' to covert cyno is it allows Cyno without allowing capital. Only one ship can jump to a covert cyno, the Black Ops and very few ships can bridge to it. Ones with covert cloak options.
Ocih wrote:Thera systems are on the map and covert cyno's can be lit once in system?
Thera systems are not on the map and all traffic is herded through wormholes.
Those are the questions that determine how fast Thera content decays in to control by blob, exclusive to blues content.
That was my original comment. It still stands. Note, there are two considerations there. The second one being the likely of the two and the result mentioned. They will become part of the blue donut, just like most of Null. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
5979
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Posted - 2014.11.13 05:17:02 -
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Quite possibly, although I believe the intention it to prevent the ability to easily have total control over the system via other mechanics. It remains to be seen if those mechanics will have the desired effect.
In fact Null entities could very well discover that even if they could expend the resources and manpower necessary to control the system, it might prove to be more advantageous for them not to in the long run.
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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
314
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Posted - 2014.11.13 09:37:51 -
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The WH corps/alliances should declare it a Porto Franco and enforce security in it. After all, with this hub - wouldn't their economical reliance on K-Space be diminished significantly?
I mean now you will have the "high-bears" bringing goods at your doorstep day in and day out instead of the Holers having to find a way to Jita.
[i]"And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit
It never felt so good, I never felt so hid"[/i]
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Dave Stark
7151
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Posted - 2014.11.13 09:43:25 -
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i predict it'll be bugger all like jita, to be honest.
i mean, literally any system in null sec could be "jita without concord" how many are? pretty much 0. |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2529
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Posted - 2014.11.13 10:04:50 -
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Dave Stark wrote:i predict it'll be bugger all like jita, to be honest.
i mean, literally any system in null sec could be "jita without concord" how many are? pretty much 0. Depends on how many kspace exits it has at any given time, I suppose. Most 0.0 systems are , by definition, rather out of the way, making them unsuitable for use as a "hub" for the eve community as a whole. Jita, on the other hand, is in a geographically centralized location.
If it's got 20-30 kspace statics at a time, it'll be a hub of something for sure. |
Dave Stark
7152
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Posted - 2014.11.13 10:48:21 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Dave Stark wrote:i predict it'll be bugger all like jita, to be honest.
i mean, literally any system in null sec could be "jita without concord" how many are? pretty much 0. Depends on how many kspace exits it has at any given time, I suppose. Most 0.0 systems are , by definition, rather out of the way, making them unsuitable for use as a "hub" for the eve community as a whole. Jita, on the other hand, is in a geographically centralized location. If it's got 20-30 kspace statics at a time, it'll be a hub of something for sure.
even 20-30 ain't a lot, when you consider how many systems there are. |
Leannor
Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates.
1
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Posted - 2014.11.13 11:44:41 -
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Dave Stark wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Dave Stark wrote:i predict it'll be bugger all like jita, to be honest.
i mean, literally any system in null sec could be "jita without concord" how many are? pretty much 0. Depends on how many kspace exits it has at any given time, I suppose. Most 0.0 systems are , by definition, rather out of the way, making them unsuitable for use as a "hub" for the eve community as a whole. Jita, on the other hand, is in a geographically centralized location. If it's got 20-30 kspace statics at a time, it'll be a hub of something for sure. even 20-30 ain't a lot, when you consider how many systems there are.
it's all about the kevin bacon factor. If those 20 connections connect every system by a KBF of 2-5, then it's a hub. If over 50% are greater than 15, then it's not as much a hub. All depends on it's reach. |
Amseln deBrabant
Ochsenbruegger
13
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Posted - 2014.11.13 11:50:51 -
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It all depends on connectivity. If there are 100s of connections, the idea might work |
Amarrian Cougar
Veritas Theory Fidelas Constans
9
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Posted - 2014.11.13 15:50:28 -
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Thera will NOT be the next Jita, it won't even be the next Dodixie or Rens. It will most likely end up being the next Rancer.
No one is going to jump bulk amounts of goods into a system where they can be killed at will. Capitals aren't allowed so you can't even do it with some sneaky cyno tactics. While there may be no static gates, considering it takes a good prober under a minutes to find a wormhole entrance/exit, they're will still be bubbles out the wahzoo on all exits. Thera is just going to turn into a massive battleground, probably between the big coalitions. Whoever controls that system would have a hub that exits to all corners of the galaxy and would thus be the most important strategic system in the entire EVE universe. It would also be one of the most valuable systems in the EVE universe simply due to the amount of content it would create. No more looking for a fight, there will be gangs from all over coming in to cause trouble, all the time. Single serving fights at a moments notice.
Thera is going to be the PVP arena of EVE, not the new market arena. |
Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
249
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Posted - 2014.11.13 15:56:38 -
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Heather Austrene wrote:The one thing that I think could make it a center of trade, regardless of the risk from pirates, is if there was some game mechanic that made it SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper to manufacture there.
Didn't think of that...it could work.
Say 2/3 of a mineral will count as 1. This would provoke both in and out flow as people try to bring in minerals as well as getting cheaper stuff out. |
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