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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.04 23:58:28 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Aaril wrote:It would be interesting to see what happened if they did remove bubbles. Demerius Xenocratus wrote:They should put a no-weapons buffer of 300k or so around the stations. Would make that system interesting. I am forever perplexed with some peoples definition of "interesting". To me, removing the ability for conflict brings up terms more like "tedious" and "boring", rather than "interesting". Thera is more than interesting enough, removing peoples guns is not going to make it more exciting, unless in truth, that isn't what you want, you just want the bad people to not be allowed to hurt you. How about you go out and impose your will on space, rather than waiting for CCP to bubble (heh) wrap the game for you.
The biggest blob enforces their will. And we all know who that is. I, like most players, have no interest in Thera because I know that most of the entrances and certainly the stations will be deathtraps, and any attempt to fight the campers will just result in being escalated beyond my ability to match.
Want trade in Thera? Trade requires security. Higher level economic activity is not possible in a lawless environment.
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
764
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Posted - 2015.03.05 00:15:22 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Aaril wrote:It would be interesting to see what happened if they did remove bubbles. Demerius Xenocratus wrote:They should put a no-weapons buffer of 300k or so around the stations. Would make that system interesting. I am forever perplexed with some peoples definition of "interesting". To me, removing the ability for conflict brings up terms more like "tedious" and "boring", rather than "interesting". Thera is more than interesting enough, removing peoples guns is not going to make it more exciting, unless in truth, that isn't what you want, you just want the bad people to not be allowed to hurt you. How about you go out and impose your will on space, rather than waiting for CCP to bubble (heh) wrap the game for you. The biggest blob enforces their will. And we all know who that is. I, like most players, have no interest in Thera because I know that most of the entrances and certainly the stations will be deathtraps, and any attempt to fight the campers will just result in being escalated beyond my ability to match. Want trade in Thera? Trade requires security. Higher level economic activity is not possible in a lawless environment.
In other words, you don't want to put out the effort and you fear loss? Trade doesn't require security it requires half a brain which you clearly lack. |
Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
115
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Posted - 2015.03.05 00:58:48 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Aaril wrote:It would be interesting to see what happened if they did remove bubbles. Demerius Xenocratus wrote:They should put a no-weapons buffer of 300k or so around the stations. Would make that system interesting. I am forever perplexed with some peoples definition of "interesting". To me, removing the ability for conflict brings up terms more like "tedious" and "boring", rather than "interesting". Thera is more than interesting enough, removing peoples guns is not going to make it more exciting, unless in truth, that isn't what you want, you just want the bad people to not be allowed to hurt you. How about you go out and impose your will on space, rather than waiting for CCP to bubble (heh) wrap the game for you. The biggest blob enforces their will. And we all know who that is. I, like most players, have no interest in Thera because I know that most of the entrances and certainly the stations will be deathtraps, and any attempt to fight the campers will just result in being escalated beyond my ability to match. Want trade in Thera? Trade requires security. Higher level economic activity is not possible in a lawless environment. In other words, you don't want to put out the effort and you fear loss? Trade doesn't require security it requires half a brain which you clearly lack.
The recorded history of the human race begs to differ.
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Greater Order Of Destruction The Good Christian Society
465
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Posted - 2015.03.05 01:06:51 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
The recorded history of the human race begs to differ.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1416
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Posted - 2015.03.05 01:43:47 -
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I wrote a song for the thread:
Walking in Ammar Walking back from your dock Walking in Ammar Feet they hardly touch the ground Walking in Ammar My feet don't hardly make no sound Walking in, walking in Ammar
Some may say I'm wishing my days away No way And if it's the isk I pay Some say Tomorrow's another day You stay I may as well play |
Asura Vajrarupa
Sanguis Inceptum
33
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Posted - 2015.03.05 02:00:02 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
The recorded history of the human race begs to differ.
If you sell it, they will come.
Ignorance is the cause of suffering.
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
764
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Posted - 2015.03.05 02:38:04 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
The recorded history of the human race begs to differ.
Differ on what? That being successful at anything only requires intelligence and the will to do what you want? I think you need to actually read about history outside of Blizzard's website... |
Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
1044
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Posted - 2015.03.05 04:04:24 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:That being successful at anything only requires intelligence, the will ... ... resources, finances, education, personal network, economic climate, political environment, personality, most acceptable appearance, physical ability, et cetera.
CSM Ten movement for change.
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Hippinse
University of Caille Gallente Federation
58
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Posted - 2015.03.05 04:09:51 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
The recorded history of the human race begs to differ.
Differ on what? That being successful at anything only requires intelligence and the will to do what you want? I think you need to actually read about history outside of Blizzard's website...
I think the point being made was that you don't see Wal-mart or Target opening stores in Somalia, for example. |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1019
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Posted - 2015.03.05 04:26:31 -
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Lost my ship last night because I made a mistake (oddly enough, not in Thera).
Confirming I was unable to replace my ship, plus all fittings, because the Thera market is completely barren. Then I was completely unsuccessful at undocking and getting to a safe point because the station was ultracamped. I then could not make my way through one of the connections because that connection was also stupidcamped and I couldn't bother to check one of the other connections.
It really isn't that bad.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6346
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Posted - 2015.03.05 05:08:49 -
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Hippinse wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
The recorded history of the human race begs to differ.
Differ on what? That being successful at anything only requires intelligence and the will to do what you want? I think you need to actually read about history outside of Blizzard's website... I think the point being made was that you don't see Wal-mart or Target opening stores in Somalia, for example.
Hence the "Jita without Concord" thing was pure sarcasm.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Leannor
Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates.
123
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Posted - 2015.03.05 13:48:26 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
The recorded history of the human race begs to differ.
The point you're all missing, and he's alluding to above, is that traders by their very nature (usually) are not PVP, they're flying vulneravble ships by definition to be able to carry out trade. And these types will need a secure space to be able to move. And yes, traders are not up for risking loss, as their income from trade is their epeen, not kills. So by its very nature they're not going to risk that. PVPers only risk is getting killed and loosing out a kill, plus they're defended and in a ship able to compete in a fight.
(we're talking bulk traders here, not part time small PVPers that trade small amounts in their pvp ships).
So, unless part of a blue network, traders will not operate here. And if there's a blue network - then it's absoltuly no different to any existing 0.0 space - aside from the physical connections.
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Daerrol
Furtherance.
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Posted - 2015.03.05 14:28:41 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
The biggest blob enforces their will. And we all know who that is. I, like most players, have no interest in Thera because I know that most of the entrances and certainly the stations will be deathtraps, and any attempt to fight the campers will just result in being escalated beyond my ability to match.
Want trade in Thera? Trade requires security. Higher level economic activity is not possible in a lawless environment.
This post made me a little mad. Yup, I'l admit it, some nerd rage here. CCP Gave us some content- really cool, new content to be exact. The players are already interacting with it in different and interesting ways, and yet here is someone who flat out refuses to even consider investigating it. Why? "I'lll die!" Good heavens! I may be one known for simply throwing ships away, but come on. Use a rookie ship! You'd see immediately almost all the wormholes to and from Thera are not camped. Another 15 minutes of warping around, you would see only Paleo and Obs are camped with any regularity... Which of course they are they are A: The same grid, B: the top station.
Furthermore the usefulness of Thera is not the stations, it's the bajillion WH connnecting all of EVE to all of EVE. In an era where jump drives are nerfed to the floor, Thera still offers a very easy (albeit a little less safe) way to get your stuff from Null to high, or whatever it is you need to do. Groups like EVE Scout and Furtherance. even exist to help you do it. Stop assuming the world is dark and scary, go engage it in cheap, cheap ships. |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1022
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Posted - 2015.03.05 14:42:29 -
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Daerrol wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
The biggest blob enforces their will. And we all know who that is. I, like most players, have no interest in Thera because I know that most of the entrances and certainly the stations will be deathtraps, and any attempt to fight the campers will just result in being escalated beyond my ability to match.
Want trade in Thera? Trade requires security. Higher level economic activity is not possible in a lawless environment.
This post made me a little mad. Yup, I'l admit it, some nerd rage here. CCP Gave us some content- really cool, new content to be exact. The players are already interacting with it in different and interesting ways, and yet here is someone who flat out refuses to even consider investigating it. Why? "I'lll die!" Good heavens! I may be one known for simply throwing ships away, but come on. Use a rookie ship! You'd see immediately almost all the wormholes to and from Thera are not camped. Another 15 minutes of warping around, you would see only Paleo and Obs are camped with any regularity... Which of course they are they are A: The same grid, B: the top station. Furthermore the usefulness of Thera is not the stations, it's the bajillion WH connnecting all of EVE to all of EVE. In an era where jump drives are nerfed to the floor, Thera still offers a very easy (albeit a little less safe) way to get your stuff from Null to high, or whatever it is you need to do. Groups like EVE Scout and Furtherance. even exist to help you do it. Stop assuming the world is dark and scary, go engage it in cheap, cheap ships.
Dude, c'mon. You didn't see the fleet of 1000 Goon ishtars rolling around curbstomping everything in Thera last night? We're totally at the mercy of gigantic blobs. Hell, I'm being blobbed right now and I'm not even logged in.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.03.05 14:43:38 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:That being successful at anything only requires intelligence, the will ... ... resources, finances, education, personal network, economic climate, political environment, personality, most acceptable appearance, physical ability, et cetera.
...and luck.
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Daerrol
Furtherance.
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Posted - 2015.03.05 15:04:58 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Dude, c'mon. You didn't see the fleet of 1000 Goon ishtars rolling around curbstomping everything in Thera last night? We're totally at the mercy of gigantic blobs. Hell, I'm being blobbed right now and I'm not even logged in. Yeah man, I saw'em. We moved a freighter from Grav to the oft camped Paleo. Thank heavens the 1000's of ishtars couldn't land a point during the 30 second warpout. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
1048
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Posted - 2015.03.05 15:20:30 -
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Thera doesn't interest me because:
"Why would I want to live in a system that is undefendable and share it with reds?"
CSM Ten movement for change.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10070
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Posted - 2015.03.05 15:23:39 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:That being successful at anything only requires intelligence, the will ... ... resources, finances, education, personal network, economic climate, political environment, personality, most acceptable appearance, physical ability, et cetera. ...and luck.
TL:DR I can't do anything because I don't have all the outside stuff on needs to be successful. I mean really, that Jen guy spent the time making up an 'excuse list'.
And those two posters get mad at me when I tell them they display victim thinking... |
Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
1049
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Posted - 2015.03.05 16:14:53 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:TL:DR I can't do anything because I don't have all the outside stuff on needs to be successful. I mean really, that Jen guy spent the time making up an 'excuse list'. And those two posters get mad at me when I tell them they display victim thinking... ... or I pointed out how lame the patronising tone of their post was?
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10071
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Posted - 2015.03.05 16:19:54 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:TL:DR I can't do anything because I don't have all the outside stuff on needs to be successful. I mean really, that Jen guy spent the time making up an 'excuse list'. And those two posters get mad at me when I tell them they display victim thinking... ... or I pointed out how lame the patronising tone of their post was?
You did no such thing. What you did do was post a 'roadmap to loserville'. I've known many who think like that ("I can't get ahead in life because I didn't get the education the rich kids got, she got the job over me because she's better looking etc etc") and I think is sad.
People display that mentality in game. "I can't do anything in high sec because of gankers", all the while I'm doing what I want in high sec in a pirate faction ship laughing my backside off at gankers. People fail because fail is a part of their personalities, not because of some external evil. |
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Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
693
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Posted - 2015.03.05 16:55:24 -
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Thera is the best place to be in game if youre interested in small gang PvP, however just as long as you use the sometimes 20 wh exits to roam, PvP in Thera itself is hell.
Topic: yes I moved to Thera and never had as much fun as I do now.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
115
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Posted - 2015.03.05 17:14:25 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
The recorded history of the human race begs to differ.
Differ on what? That being successful at anything only requires intelligence and the will to do what you want? I think you need to actually read about history outside of Blizzard's website...
Awe. You actually believe that, how cute.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
115
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Posted - 2015.03.05 17:23:13 -
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Asura Vajrarupa wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
The recorded history of the human race begs to differ.
If you sell it, they will come.
Not when the same goods are available elsewhere with greater safety and lower cost. |
Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
115
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Posted - 2015.03.05 17:30:28 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:That being successful at anything only requires intelligence, the will ... ... resources, finances, education, personal network, economic climate, political environment, personality, most acceptable appearance, physical ability, et cetera. ...and luck. TL:DR I can't do anything because I don't have all the outside stuff on needs to be successful. I mean really, that Jen guy spent the time making up an 'excuse list'. And those two posters get mad at me when I tell them they display victim thinking...
So you're denying that any of those things are a factor?
I think we just found the Republican nominee for 2016.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10075
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Posted - 2015.03.05 17:38:40 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:That being successful at anything only requires intelligence, the will ... ... resources, finances, education, personal network, economic climate, political environment, personality, most acceptable appearance, physical ability, et cetera. ...and luck. TL:DR I can't do anything because I don't have all the outside stuff on needs to be successful. I mean really, that Jen guy spent the time making up an 'excuse list'. And those two posters get mad at me when I tell them they display victim thinking... So you're denying that any of those things are a factor? I think we just found the Republican nominee for 2016.
I'm saying that people will find any external excuse for their failures (or for the existence of things in life that they don't like) when the problem tends to be internal (themselves). The post I quoted is a text book example of the kind of thinking behind that.
And I'm not running in 2016. 2020 maybe, if the rent is still too damn high.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
116
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Posted - 2015.03.05 20:09:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
I'm saying that people will find any external excuse for their failures (or for the existence of things in life that they don't like) when the problem tends to be internal (themselves). The post I quoted is a text book example of the kind of thinking behind that.
And I'm not running in 2016. 2020 maybe, if the rent is still too damn high.
Of course people make excuses. But their options are also defined by many factors outside their control including genetics, geography, parentage, and environment. You can label any statement as an excuse in order to avoiding acknowledging that it is true.
And this is a departure from my sole point which was that a cursory glance at human history proves that markets require stability and order to develop. People engage in economic activity in EVE for the same reasons they do in real life - to make a profit. An environment prone to high levels of unpredictable risk is not an attractive business climate.
I'm sure Thera is interesting from an exploration/PvP perspective and useful as a transit point between the different security zones, but it does not meet the conditions for a viable trade hub.
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1548
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Posted - 2015.03.05 20:45:16 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: I'm saying that people will find any external excuse for their failures (or for the existence of things in life that they don't like) when the problem tends to be internal (themselves).
so... You are saying that should be find yourself in space without your space suit you will happily do whatever you want to do. Because you 'don't need excuses'?
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
116
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Posted - 2015.03.05 21:05:24 -
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March rabbit wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: I'm saying that people will find any external excuse for their failures (or for the existence of things in life that they don't like) when the problem tends to be internal (themselves).
so... You are saying that should be find yourself in space without your space suit you will happily do whatever you want to do. Because you 'don't need excuses'?
John Galt would assemble his own space suit out of space particles and sheer force of will.
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
308
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Posted - 2015.03.05 23:41:30 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:March rabbit wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: I'm saying that people will find any external excuse for their failures (or for the existence of things in life that they don't like) when the problem tends to be internal (themselves).
so... You are saying that should be find yourself in space without your space suit you will happily do whatever you want to do. Because you 'don't need excuses'? John Galt would assemble his own space suit out of space particles and sheer force of will.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
1050
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Posted - 2015.03.06 00:19:09 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:People display that mentality in game. "I can't do anything in high sec because of gankers", Grab an interceptor and come ask our standing fleet about what we can't do and who is saying what we can.
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