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Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
1328
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Posted - 2014.08.28 03:33:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.
Except it's high sec, and either the gankers warp on top of you and alpha you before you can get a lock on them, or they're still of a security status where you can't shoot them until they open fire, at which point they alpha you anyway.
Highsec is broken. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9242
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Posted - 2014.08.28 03:40:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Except it's high sec, and either the gankers warp on top of you and alpha you before you can get a lock on them, or they're still of a security status where you can't shoot them until they open fire, at which point they alpha you anyway. Highsec is broken.
Except for the part where the OP had a cloaking device and clearly failed to use it.
Or the part where, had they had an escort and thereby by definition had a scout, they wouldn't have jumped into a gate with several tornados hanging around. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24138
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Posted - 2014.08.28 03:42:00 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:Being at the keyboard is a fallacy. Doesn't make a difference. Eh, no. What kind of fallacy do you think it is? And being at the keyboard isn't bad advice either, by the way: it helps you not be there when the ganker arrives. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
1328
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Posted - 2014.08.28 05:17:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Except for the part where the OP had a cloaking device and clearly failed to use it.
Or the part where, had they had an escort and thereby by definition had a scout, they wouldn't have jumped into a gate with several tornados hanging around.
It's a valid point, but nothing at all to do with my counterpoint to Falcon saying that people should bring guns. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9243
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Posted - 2014.08.28 05:21:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Except for the part where the OP had a cloaking device and clearly failed to use it.
Or the part where, had they had an escort and thereby by definition had a scout, they wouldn't have jumped into a gate with several tornados hanging around. It's a valid point, but nothing at all to do with my counterpoint to Falcon saying that people should bring guns.
Yes, it does. If you have scouts say, in cruisers, and they bother to equip guns or ewar or whatever, if they jump in beforehand and see the tornados, or see flashies in local, they can put a stop to it before the guy in the hauler even takes the gate. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
415
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Posted - 2014.08.28 05:26:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Angeal MacNova wrote:Being at the keyboard is a fallacy. Doesn't make a difference. Eh, no. What kind of fallacy do you think it is? And being at the keyboard isn't bad advice either, by the way: it helps you not be there when the ganker arrives. This. You can't Dscan while AFK. Back when I still mined I avoided a couple ganks in my mackinaw due to a healthy dose of paranoia, preparation, and liberal use of the 360 degree dscan. By the time the cats landed on grid all they saw were the receding tail lights of my rocket car. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
8799
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Posted - 2014.08.28 05:28:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:
Except it's high sec, and either the gankers warp on top of you and alpha you before you can get a lock on them, or they're still of a security status where you can't shoot them until they open fire, at which point they alpha you anyway.
Highsec is broken.
So these gankers are willing to kibosh their sec status for a gank, but your "guns" are going to wait to shoot until the gankers go criminal (and have unloaded their alpha)?
You can shoot anyone you want, anytime you want. Your choice to fear the consequences is the cause of your failure, not Mr. Falcon's suggestion.
Edit: Did you know Catalysts are made of paper? ~ Please support a yellow jumpsuit for me (and everyone else). Thank you! ~ |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5373
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Posted - 2014.08.28 05:31:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Except for the part where the OP had a cloaking device and clearly failed to use it.
Or the part where, had they had an escort and thereby by definition had a scout, they wouldn't have jumped into a gate with several tornados hanging around. It's a valid point, but nothing at all to do with my counterpoint to Falcon saying that people should bring guns.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4960215#post4960215
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4959250#post4959250
Will these do? 'Cause this gank happened on a station, which means that the Tornado was hanging in the breeze for long before the warp in. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
1329
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Posted - 2014.08.28 05:56:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:[quote=Sentient Blade]You can shoot anyone you want, anytime you want. Your choice to fear the consequences is the cause of your failure, not Mr. Falcon's suggestion.
Because sitting in a station for 15 minutes with GCC unable to undock anything capable of defending something else, just because you fired one salvo to protect yourself is amazing gameplay <3 |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9243
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Posted - 2014.08.28 06:02:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote: Because sitting in a station for 15 minutes with GCC unable to undock anything capable of defending something else, just because you fired one salvo to protect yourself is amazing gameplay <3
That sound? That was the sound of the point going over your head.
I'm going to stop replying, because if you're not trolling then you're hopeless. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
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Paranoid Loyd
1617
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Posted - 2014.08.28 06:02:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Sibyyl wrote:[quote=Sentient Blade]You can shoot anyone you want, anytime you want. Your choice to fear the consequences is the cause of your failure, not Mr. Falcon's suggestion. Because sitting in a station for 15 minutes with GCC unable to undock anything capable of defending something else, just because you fired one salvo to protect yourself is amazing gameplay <3
I see you lack imagination, you can't even imagine how good it would feel to countergank a Nado that was trying to kill your 7 bil isk hauler. That 15 minutes would be over before you realized you actually played the game for once. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
367
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Posted - 2014.08.28 06:04:00 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote: Skiffs have gone up and are at the highest price they've ever been. This is directly due to gankers ganking miners.
Citation need.
Orcas are the highest Ive ever seen em. Freighters cost about 20% more than they did less than a year ago. Let's talk about plex prices, are they due to gankers, too? ISK is worth less and less each day, THAT is your culprit here.
Quote: Getting rid of competition for a product is also bad for an economy. I could go into detail but I'll just state it as simple as possible.
Competitive market = good. Monopoly = bad.
Well at least u got that part right.
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
367
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Posted - 2014.08.28 06:05:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Plus, they are fun.
Welcome to a world where "cut throat business practices" are taken seriously.[/quote]
Sayeth the Machiavellian Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Jarnis McPieksu
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
552
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Posted - 2014.08.28 06:33:00 -
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Darkblad wrote:Hauling a total of 7 billion in collateral, with that low market value of the four contracts' contents didn't ring a bell? Think I'll just keep CCP Falcon's post for future quotation, so thanks for this thread, somehow
Wait, this is about OP getting shot while hauling a 7 bil collateral contract that is actually worth nada inside the wrap?
Heh, you got hauling contract scammed, son. Welcome to EVE.
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Jarnis McPieksu
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
552
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Posted - 2014.08.28 06:34:00 -
[195] - Quote
Sibyyl wrote:[quote=Sentient Blade]
Edit: Did you know Catalysts are made of paper?
Tissue paper, actually. Slightly wet.
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
66
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Posted - 2014.08.28 07:17:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec? CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back. I'd love to see CCP provide protection to people's haulers by logging in in logi ships! That would probably be enough to get me back into ganking. Luukje wrote:Celthric Kanerian wrote:Rule number 357 of EVE: The word safe doesn't have meaning any place in EVE.
... and it was probably CODE who shot you... Bunch of retards... Really? come on look further than that. I deserve more credit for my work than to be compared to a few freighter gankers. atleast check out a killboard before you spread lies! : / dont CODE always gank under their own flag anyway to show the kills on their kb? ;p Good job on these tears man! As for the New Order, not all of us are in CODE. though that is the largest new order alliance.
Tears? I'm merely stating the fact that you are all a bunch of noobish and honorless gankers, regardless of what alliance you belong to. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6655
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Posted - 2014.08.28 07:22:00 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote: Tears? I'm merely stating the fact that you are all a bunch of noobish and honorless gankers, regardless of what alliance you belong to.
By that logic being ganked by them would make one somewhat more noobish, wouldn't you say?
And honour? I'm sorry what? Since when did that concept figure into EvE? And what worth does it have to consider doing so? "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5376
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Posted - 2014.08.28 07:49:00 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:Tears? I'm merely stating the fact that you are all a bunch of noobish and honorless gankers, regardless of what alliance you belong to.
You know, I communicate almost exclusively in gifs ranging from the moderately on-topic to those ripped from bme-zine, but you've finally stumped me.
The internet doesn't seem familiar with this concept you have of e-honor.
I did find something that I think might be close to your meaning on Oglaf, but I wont (for obvious reasons) link it here (just google 'honor oglaf').
Blood and Thunder indeed. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9245
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Posted - 2014.08.28 07:53:00 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote: Tears? I'm merely stating the fact that you are all a bunch of noobish and honorless gankers, regardless of what alliance you belong to.
You do realize that, whether you put the facade on or not, that we still consider it tears, right? Especially when you mention "honor"? Oh yeah, that's a big indicator of tears. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Luukje
The Phoenix Rising
9
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Posted - 2014.08.28 09:20:00 -
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Duchess Amarrian wrote:I just want to say a big thank you to those people who did give some positives out of this. As for the macho ego's out there I thank you for wasting your time in this post as it didn't really contribute to anything apart from many http addresses.
It was hard to take a punch below the belt in eve but hey i take it and will only get better to not get another one soon. I love the game thats for sure. I got blown up instantly coming out of cloak whilst at the station in docking range. It sounds like I"m guilty for this action by the sound of some people in this post, amazing.
Anyways thank you and enjoy.
You are, all the info you need on how to avoid this has already been posted multiple times. The fact you did ur haul session to me THREE TIMES in a row makes it just stupid. The first time you got through and managed to dock up; safely having hauled 8.2 bil you deemed urself safe and as soon as i put new contracts up 5 mins later you took those as well; whilst having seen tornado's luring outside a station. (where's ur build in alarm bells?) You take the 2nd batch, and manage to get docked up again while hauling 6.8 bil. Three times a charm right? you go for a third round, this time having 4 contracts for a grand total of 7.09 bil. still those pesky nado's outside? oh well they didnt hurt me right! *blap* ****. Ur own dumb fault and noone else's |
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Luukje
The Phoenix Rising
9
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Posted - 2014.08.28 09:32:00 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec? CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back. I'd love to see CCP provide protection to people's haulers by logging in in logi ships! That would probably be enough to get me back into ganking. Luukje wrote:Celthric Kanerian wrote:Rule number 357 of EVE: The word safe doesn't have meaning any place in EVE.
... and it was probably CODE who shot you... Bunch of retards... Really? come on look further than that. I deserve more credit for my work than to be compared to a few freighter gankers. atleast check out a killboard before you spread lies! : / dont CODE always gank under their own flag anyway to show the kills on their kb? ;p Good job on these tears man! As for the New Order, not all of us are in CODE. though that is the largest new order alliance. Tears? I'm merely stating the fact that you are all a bunch of noobish and honorless gankers, regardless of what alliance you belong to.
HA, ha, hahahaha. someone's a little butthurt... btw using noobish in the same sentence as our kind of ganking is just stupid; obviously its been setup pretty well and a lot of thought has gone into this kind of gameplay. Same goes for freighter blaps; its not all that easy that you just press f1 and grab loot. I think you've got no clue as to what it takes to pull of these schemes, be it freighter blapping on contract scams. Guess i'll be seeing you on my KB soon?
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Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
9112
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Posted - 2014.08.28 09:52:00 -
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Well, actually, given enough people ganking freighters isn't hard at all.
But feel free to tell me that I have no clue about this ....... *snickers xD* http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961 |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
420
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Posted - 2014.08.28 09:54:00 -
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At least you're playing with others. Play ball, or be the ball. A choice we all make when we undock. |
Luukje
The Phoenix Rising
9
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Posted - 2014.08.28 09:55:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Well, actually, given enough people ganking freighters isn't hard at all.
But feel free to tell me that I have no clue about this ....... *snickers xD*
not saying its hard, hell even JF hunting is 'easy', but it takes more than a few noobs to pull off this stuff. That's why i said its not all that easy; to the point where noobs pull it off on their own. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1591
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Posted - 2014.08.28 09:55:00 -
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Duchess Amarrian wrote:Last night my hauling ship got blown sky high. I was flying a prorator and doing some deliveries. The person that shot me down organised it really well by setting up contracts and sucking in the person accepting the contract. I wont go into detail here. As i was making the delivery and just 1 second from being docked into station my ship got blown sky high. From what ? a minmitar Battleship that was so many km's away. It took 2 people to stop me.
I keep hearing that ccp wil be doing something about this. I've just had enough of it. Seriously I'm trying to find some fun in this game and seeing that the others always have the edge over miners and haulers in high sec is a real joke. I don't mind if it had happened in low sec and null but when your playing by ccp rules to me it seems there are no rules and high sec is really a joke.
At the very least give miners and haulers some big guns like you give others and maybe will balance things well.
The two that got me are "Luukje" and "Natural CloneKiller". I put up a big bounty on Luk so enjoy your hunting.
cheers
who is lying to you? CCP will not be doign anything about this because this is the CORE of the game! THis game is about risk , reward, PVP and competition.
The game is extremely fun as long as you keep in mind that THOSE are the activities meant to be fun in this game. The others are side activities so you can fund those primary activities.
I would agree that the current state presents too much ganking in high sec (completely blame the removal of the Rof nerf on the destroyers years ago).
But if the guy that killed you used a battleship, then he lost his battleship. It is not a matter of defenseless ship. If someoen is DUMB to not see a trap and is attracted to a specific place I want themto be, I can deal , alongside 1 friend, with ANY subcapital ship in game, even any pirate cruiser.
Guns on miners willl NOT solve anything until you step up and learn to fight. You can already fly in a battleship, or cruiser. Why not do that?
LEarn the game, you got into a trap that probably meant to force you pay a huge penalty for failing in the contract. A penalty that costed more than the ship they needed to kill you. LEarn from that and never get contracts with HUGE colaterals again.
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Scout Vyvorant
University of Caille Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2014.08.28 10:37:00 -
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Dear OP, and anyone who thinks like you,
I took the liberty to go and check the kill report on zkillboard, you were flying a poorly fitted Prorator, a blockade runner that should be 99% of the times cloaked, and flying around using instant dock / instant jump bookmark (or even a warp to 0 and spam dock works fine most of time).
From what I understand on the kill report you were probably autopiloting your way to the station, or even if you weren't, you were not using instant dock bookmark.
Your killer didn't use any BS, but a simple Tornado with a targetting speed alt boosting the speed of his targeting.
I'm sorry friend, you don't need any protection from concord, unless for "concord protection" you mean a protection from yourself. You just fell in the most common gank in high sec, and there's only one person to blame, you.
You got Tornadoed, friend. |
Duran Veldspur
Rebel Empire
19
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Posted - 2014.08.28 13:49:00 -
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Duchess Amarrian wrote:Last night my hauling ship got blown sky high. I was flying a prorator and doing some deliveries. The person that shot me down organised it really well by setting up contracts and sucking in the person accepting the contract. I wont go into detail here. As i was making the delivery and just 1 second from being docked into station my ship got blown sky high. From what ? a minmitar Battleship that was so many km's away. It took 2 people to stop me.
I keep hearing that ccp wil be doing something about this. I've just had enough of it. Seriously I'm trying to find some fun in this game and seeing that the others always have the edge over miners and haulers in high sec is a real joke. I don't mind if it had happened in low sec and null but when your playing by ccp rules to me it seems there are no rules and high sec is really a joke.
At the very least give miners and haulers some big guns like you give others and maybe will balance things well.
The two that got me are "Luukje" and "Natural CloneKiller". I put up a big bounty on Luk so enjoy your hunting.
cheers
eve hisec is like chicago, it is a paradise for criminals with guns. ccp , and the empires dont seem to give a crap that such violence is happening in supposedly high security space. as long as gankers are blowing up industrials and mission runners that is what ccp has wanted. but ccp has learned that they lose alot of customers this way so they keep trying to buff hisec security a bit but gankers always find ways to easily get away with ganking.
its just part of the game, get use to it or show ccp what you think with your pocket book... |
Hicksimus
Torgue
278
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Posted - 2014.08.28 14:38:00 -
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I think this is all part of a MUCH deeper issue.
Production outpaces destruction by such a wide margin that people can easily undertake such activities. Pretty sure it was Chris Rock that did one on how if bullets were crazy expensive far fewer people would shoot eachother.......the same is the case here.
"I would blow yo ****ing head off if I could afford it!" "Imma get me another job, Imma start saving some money and you a dead man!"
Do you have it? |
Tolkaz Khamsi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2014.08.28 14:59:00 -
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Hicksimus wrote:I think this is all part of a MUCH deeper issue.
Production outpaces destruction by such a wide margin that people can easily undertake such activities. Pretty sure it was Chris Rock that did one on how if bullets were crazy expensive far fewer people would shoot eachother.......the same is the case here.
"I would blow yo ****ing head off if I could afford it!" "Imma get me another job, Imma start saving some money and you a dead man!"
The problem here is not hisec or losec; it's nullsec. Not enough big fleet battles where big ships get blowed up. Eve needs a B-R5RB fight every *week*, not every year. Plenty of ships get blowed up in Eve every day, but not enough of those huge, expensive subcaps and capital ships. Get rid of jump bridges and jump freighters if you want to spice up life in null. All of a sudden that trek to Jita from Fountain or Stain starts looking a bit more perilous. |
Kiandoshia
Tetragorn SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1742
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Posted - 2014.08.28 15:03:00 -
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Duchess Amarrian wrote:high sec is really a joke.
This, essentially. |
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