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loyalanon
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:56:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?
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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5383
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:58:00 -
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Tippia wrote:No-one is exploiting any game mechanics. Highsec is highsec for a reason. It's not the reason you think, though. Highsec is highsec because it is a place where aggression comes at a cost. If you choose to nullify those costs, then take a wild guess what will happen nextGǪ?
A very easy way to remember this:
High Sec = High Cost for Aggression Low Sec = Low Cost for Aggression Null Sec = No Cost for Aggression
Simple, so very simple. I think only a child can get it. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
902
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:59:00 -
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To show our love of the Falcon, tonight's roaming high-sec death fleet will feature ALL SHIPS named with something special
http://puu.sh/bcaBV/78e35e7311.jpg
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Ahost Gceo
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
188
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:01:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ahost Gceo wrote:I'd love for you to tell freighter pilots who fit for full tank yet get ganked when empty that they can defend themselves. Step 1: Find oneGǪ Well if you read Minerbumping. I'm a friggin' banana. |
Ned Thomas
Angry Rockbiters M1NER CONFL1CT
120
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:06:00 -
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Donation made to the New Order on behalf of CCP Falcon.
This thread has made my day. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9301
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:06:00 -
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Ahost Gceo wrote:Tippia wrote:Ahost Gceo wrote:I'd love for you to tell freighter pilots who fit for full tank yet get ganked when empty that they can defend themselves. Step 1: Find oneGǪ Well if you read Minerbumping.
Autopilot doesn't count.
AFK is an acronym, but not for what you might think. It stands for A Free Kill. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
902
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:06:00 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Donation made to the New Order on behalf of CCP Falcon.
This thread has made my day.
On behalf of our many brave agents, we thank you! |
Ahost Gceo
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
188
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:09:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ahost Gceo wrote:Tippia wrote:Ahost Gceo wrote:I'd love for you to tell freighter pilots who fit for full tank yet get ganked when empty that they can defend themselves. Step 1: Find oneGǪ Well if you read Minerbumping. Autopilot doesn't count. AFK is an acronym, but not for what you might think. It stands for A Free Kill. And there is discretion as to whether someone is autopiloting or not when a gank is made? I might believe that if the moon was actually made out of cheese.
I'm a friggin' banana. |
Colitina
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:18:00 -
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Ahost Gceo wrote: CONCORD as a complex mechanic is broken, allowing aggressors to toodle about doing as they please while the targets can't really defend themselves from the gankboats that sport so much alpha damage or DPS that they instapop just about anything not fit for combat.
I have a Mastydon that 50 Tornados cannot gank. Not fit for combat.
My Skiff would take about 9 Tornados Not fit for combat.
The only ship I fly in high-sec that can be ganked reasonably? My mission boat. Fit for combat.
The growing trend we can see here is that nearly everyone who wants ganking nerfed shows a lack of understanding of the game mechanics. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20514
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:20:00 -
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Ahost Gceo wrote:And there is discretion as to whether someone is autopiloting or not when a gank is made? I might believe that if the moon was actually made out of cheese.
When a freighter is seen dropping out of warp 15KM off of a gate, it's autopiloting. If it's one of the gates into somewhere like Uedama, someone will have seen it, and it's going to explode shortly thereafter.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
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Colitina
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:23:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Since I've been doing a lot of bumping lately, I am going to rename my Stabber "Falcon Punch".
You know, since it knocks you out of bounds. If that's the case you should name it "Tournament Micro Jump Unit" |
Darth Terona
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
16
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:24:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec? CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.
Wait.. Im a pvp guy and this makes no sense. Your better off bringing logistics for escort than guns ******* baddies are going to die anyway. No use shooting at them. But if you can keep your target alive until concord arrives.. You win
Dev your trolling the guy... Asshat
Op. Don't be such a baby. You will inevitably loose something in eve that's the flavor of the game |
Ahost Gceo
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
189
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:26:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ahost Gceo wrote:And there is discretion as to whether someone is autopiloting or not when a gank is made? I might believe that if the moon was actually made out of cheese.
When a freighter is seen dropping out of warp 15KM off of a gate, it's autopiloting. If it's one of the gates into somewhere like Uedama, someone will have seen it, and it's going to explode shortly thereafter. What happens when a freighter jumps through a gate and isn't autopiloting? Is it magically invulnerable to a bump and a gank? I'm a friggin' banana. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9301
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:31:00 -
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Colitina wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Since I've been doing a lot of bumping lately, I am going to rename my Stabber "Falcon Punch".
You know, since it knocks you out of bounds. If that's the case you should name it "Tournament Micro Jump Unit"
Did that Super Smash Brothers reference seriously go over your head?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9301
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:31:00 -
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Ahost Gceo wrote: What happens when a freighter jumps through a gate and isn't autopiloting? Is it magically invulnerable to a bump and a gank?
If he's smart and using webs, pretty much.
I have seen those freaking things warp sideways with Daredevil webs. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20516
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:32:00 -
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Ahost Gceo wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ahost Gceo wrote:And there is discretion as to whether someone is autopiloting or not when a gank is made? I might believe that if the moon was actually made out of cheese.
When a freighter is seen dropping out of warp 15KM off of a gate, it's autopiloting. If it's one of the gates into somewhere like Uedama, someone will have seen it, and it's going to explode shortly thereafter. What happens when a freighter jumps through a gate and isn't autopiloting? Is it magically invulnerable to a bump and a gank? Nope, however Red Frog and PushX seem to have no problems with delivering >99% of their courier contracts..... (see Kaarous Aldurald's post above)
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5385
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:40:00 -
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Darth Terona wrote:Wait.. Im a pvp guy and this makes no sense. Your better off bringing logistics for escort than guns ******* baddies are going to die anyway. No use shooting at them. But if you can keep your target alive until concord arrives.. You win
Actually, in this specific case, since it was an alpha gank on a station, scouting and bringing guns (to gank the tornado) would be the best option. (A simple insta-dock bookmark and some tank would probably have worked too, as the ganker mentioned that it took them three tries to catch the OP)
Logi wouldn't be particularly effective. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Darth Terona
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
16
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:43:00 -
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Aye. |
Angeal MacNova
LankTech
174
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:43:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Tippia wrote:No-one is exploiting any game mechanics. Highsec is highsec for a reason. It's not the reason you think, though. Highsec is highsec because it is a place where aggression comes at a cost. If you choose to nullify those costs, then take a wild guess what will happen nextGǪ? A very easy way to remember this: High Sec = High Cost for Aggression Low Sec = Low Cost for Aggression Null Sec = No Cost for Aggression Simple, so very simple. I think only a child can get it.
And Tippia never will.
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ahost Gceo wrote:And there is discretion as to whether someone is autopiloting or not when a gank is made? I might believe that if the moon was actually made out of cheese.
When a freighter is seen dropping out of warp 15KM off of a gate, it's autopiloting. If it's one of the gates into somewhere like Uedama, someone will have seen it, and it's going to explode shortly thereafter.
Point is, AFK or not, Warping after you jump in a system is still the same and gankers don't discriminate.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11123
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:45:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec? CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back. Ah yes, the old blame the victim defense.
Ah yes, the old victim complex. Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
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Ned Thomas
Angry Rockbiters M1NER CONFL1CT
122
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:49:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Darth Terona wrote:Wait.. Im a pvp guy and this makes no sense. Your better off bringing logistics for escort than guns ******* baddies are going to die anyway. No use shooting at them. But if you can keep your target alive until concord arrives.. You win Actually, in this specific case, since it was an alpha gank on a station, scouting and bringing guns (to gank the tornado) would be the best option. (A simple insta-dock bookmark and some tank would probably have worked too, as the ganker mentioned that it took them three tries to catch the OP) Logi wouldn't be particularly effective.
Scouting is really the only thing that was needed in the case of the OP. The saddest part is that the scouting didn't need to involve alts or other players or anything. A very simple "Warp to 100km" and an understanding of what a Tornado can do would have meant this thread would never happen. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11123
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:50:00 -
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Maduin Shi wrote:I'm quite confident the suicide gankers work hard to find their targets. And highsec is better for it.
It doesn't matter how much work you put into finding your targets. There is still a 50% chance that an item stack will drop or be destroyed with the ship. Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11123
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:52:00 -
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Ahost Gceo wrote:I'd love for you to tell freighter pilots who fit for full tank yet get ganked when empty that they can defend themselves.
If people want to burn their sec status and money to kill an empty freighter, more power to them. That doesn't indicate a problem with the game, sorry. Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11123
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:54:00 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Gankers have already accepted the fact that they are going to lose a cheap ship. There is no deterrent for them at all. Risk is a myth that CCP keeps preaching hoping some will drink the cool-aid.
Only thing left is reward and acceptable losses. Acceptable losses are easily replaced, just buy more plex.
Telling new players there is something they can do is just lying to their face and hoping that they believe long enough to buy another plex.
This is nothing but "think of the children!!!11" emotional garbage that simply soils the discussion. New players don't fly freighters. Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
3480
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:55:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Kiandoshia wrote:Duchess Amarrian wrote:high sec is really a joke. This, essentially. Being unprepared and putting all your eggs in one basket to make a nice juicy target for a suicide gank is the joke here, not highsec. There are a multitude of ways to protect yourself from suicide gankers, people just automatically assume they're "safe" in highsec, then get annoyed when they lose a ship because of their own lack of spatial awareness.
This!
Seriously, if you want to learn how to protect yourself from suicide ganks, start ganking.
There's a reason that I've never been ganked successfully, despite fairly often carrying gank-worthy cargoes through both highsec and lowsec. Because I know how to gank, I recognise the early warning signs. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=366607 - Gank incursion runners, win prizes! August 26-Sept 30. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5385
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:58:00 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Tippia wrote:No-one is exploiting any game mechanics. Highsec is highsec for a reason. It's not the reason you think, though. Highsec is highsec because it is a place where aggression comes at a cost. If you choose to nullify those costs, then take a wild guess what will happen nextGǪ? A very easy way to remember this: High Sec = High Cost for Aggression Low Sec = Low Cost for Aggression Null Sec = No Cost for Aggression Simple, so very simple. I think only a child can get it. And Tippia never will.
I'm not sure you get it. I was agreeing with Tippia. High sec is a place where aggression comes with a high cost (wardec or the loss of your ship(and assorted other penalties)). Low sec has a low cost (some sec status and gate guns).
You're proposing that HiSec disallow ganking entirely (since there's really no sensible way to increase the costs of aggression further).
Quote:Point is, AFK or not, Warping after you jump in a system is still the same and gankers don't discriminate.
Ok, if they don't discriminate, describe what search terms we can use to find a killmail* of all the fully tanked, empty freighters the originator of this line of discussion was claiming.
Also, ATK freighter pilots have a friend/alt to web them to counter the ~10+ ganker's friend/alt who's ready to bump them.
*since directly linking is inexplicably bad, mmmkay "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20517
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:58:00 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Tippia wrote:No-one is exploiting any game mechanics. Highsec is highsec for a reason. It's not the reason you think, though. Highsec is highsec because it is a place where aggression comes at a cost. If you choose to nullify those costs, then take a wild guess what will happen nextGǪ? A very easy way to remember this: High Sec = High Cost for Aggression Low Sec = Low Cost for Aggression Null Sec = No Cost for Aggression Simple, so very simple. I think only a child can get it. And Tippia never will. Tippia gets it just fine, you're the one who appears to have problems with it.
Quote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ahost Gceo wrote:And there is discretion as to whether someone is autopiloting or not when a gank is made? I might believe that if the moon was actually made out of cheese.
When a freighter is seen dropping out of warp 15KM off of a gate, it's autopiloting. If it's one of the gates into somewhere like Uedama, someone will have seen it, and it's going to explode shortly thereafter. Point is, AFK or not, Warping after you jump in a system is still the same and gankers don't discriminate I stated how people can tell if a freighter is auto piloting or not.
In fact I said nothing about AFK or discrimination in the post you quoted.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24181
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:59:00 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Tippia wrote:No-one is exploiting any game mechanics. Highsec is highsec for a reason. It's not the reason you think, though. Highsec is highsec because it is a place where aggression comes at a cost. If you choose to nullify those costs, then take a wild guess what will happen nextGǪ? A very easy way to remember this: High Sec = High Cost for Aggression Low Sec = Low Cost for Aggression Null Sec = No Cost for Aggression Simple, so very simple. I think only a child can get it. And Tippia never will. You've really lost it, haven't you. Yeah, I will never get it, as demonstrated by the fact that I said the exact thing I wasn't supposed to ever get.
Quote:Point is, AFK or not, Warping after you jump in a system is still the same and gankers don't discriminate. Yes they do. The discriminate between hard and soft targets; between valuable and worthless targets; between obvious and unknown targets. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4397
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Posted - 2014.08.29 03:12:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Quote:Point is, AFK or not, Warping after you jump in a system is still the same and gankers don't discriminate. Yes they do. The discriminate between hard and soft targets; between valuable and worthless targets; between obvious and unknown targets. where you get the patience i will never know, o7 =][= |
Angeal MacNova
LankTech
184
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Posted - 2014.08.29 03:13:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Syn Shi wrote:There is no risk to gank in hi-sec. The ships they use are so cheap and easy to replace the whole risk thing has been circumvented.
Ship blows up, so what...just buy another.
Everyone knows your name, no probelm just buy another character.
The game is so saturated with isk that isk has removed the risk factor. Tell that to all the guys who suicide gank someone, and end up making a heavy loss because everything they wanted to loot gets destroyed in the ship destruction.
They don't gank to loot. Some gank if the isk destroyed is less than isk lost. Other gank because they want to drive the competition out of the area. While others still will gank simply because their fun is to **** on another player. Looting? That's just a bonus.
Miner gankers are a perfect example. People will gank miners for various reasons and none of which have anything to do with looting the wreck to turn a profit. |
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