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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.08.29 21:27:00 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:Shooting back really is stupid advice, no offense to anyone who's recommended it.
Badgers can fit 70,000 EHP. Impels 800,000 EHP. RF/Push do freighter runs for dirt cheap
The only people that have a right to complain at that point are the big courier groups like RF and Push. Oh wait, they aren't complaining, because they web-warp their freighter each time a bump ship is on grid.
Let's assume you really want to fly your own freighter though. And let's assume web-warping didn't exist. Grab a Providence and fit it with deadspace armor resists. Then grab a couple buddies, or alts. Put them in a Nestor. Congrats! One of those Nestors reps enough back to counter six Talos gank ships. You have two of them.
Threads like this should be stickied, just so new players can see how absurd the notion of nerfing ganking is and how much of an advantage the gankee has.
Did you know that the humble Sigil can get 1200 passive regen on shields? Epic Space Cat |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2014.08.29 21:27:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:I you roll over my sheep with your armored truck, I can do two things about it: - buy myself an armored truck and blow yours - bring some pesticide and poison all sheeps in your brother's farm as he was who paid for your truck. Your sheeps for my sheeps, dude. so you'd go and murder some random person's sheep because some one roadkilled one of yours? you are aware how stupid that is, right? He's not a random person. He's the guy who pays your bills. Your sheeps for my sheeps. that's not how responsibility works also what is this line of conversation even about this is the only post in this thread i've cared to read besides falcon's which are beautiful posts made by a beautiful man
The serous point is that PvPrs who disrupt the non-PvP activities of players who don't engage in PvP should be exposed to have their own non-PvP acitvities disrupted by their victims.
A extreme and funny example was given by Mike Azariah in his "Peace dec" blog.
The whole risk vs reward is biased since A can force his playstyle on B but B can't force his play style on A, so B must either play as A does or quit the game. That's barely an equitable choice, but CCP are OK with it. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.08.29 22:14:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:The serous point is that PvPrs who disrupt the non-PvP activities of players who don't engage in PvP should be exposed to have their own non-PvP acitvities disrupted by their victims.
A extreme and funny example was given by Mike Azariah in his "Peace dec" blog.
The whole risk vs reward is biased since A can force his playstyle on B but B can't force his play style on A, so B must either play as A does or quit the game. That's barely an equitable choice, but CCP are OK with it.
A can only force B if B allows it. Everyone is provided with the tools to mitigate risk. If you choose not to use them that is no one's fault but your own. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
9210
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Posted - 2014.08.29 22:21:00 -
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This just came to my mind.
Eve online - When Carebears Attack! - Hulk (Exhumer) PvP
Isn't that guy awesome?? :D http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961 |
Hengle Teron
Mew Age Outpaws
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Posted - 2014.08.29 22:29:00 -
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great vid |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.08.29 22:30:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: The serous point is that PvPrs who disrupt the non-PvP activities of players who don't engage in PvP should be exposed to have their own non-PvP acitvities disrupted by their victims.
They are, to exactly the same degree that their "victims" bother to protect themselves.
Quote: The whole risk vs reward is biased since A can force his playstyle on B but B can't force his play style on A, so B must either play as A does or quit the game. That's barely an equitable choice, but CCP are OK with it.
"bothering to defend yourself" is not a playstyle being "forced" on B, he should be doing it anyway if he weren't a halfassed excuse for a gamer.
Failure to do things right can and should have consequences. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Natural CloneKiller
Ukranian Hauling Co.
35
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Posted - 2014.08.29 22:37:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:You were flying a Prorator and you were not cloaked up despite hauling a contract with massive collateral.
Seriously, if you have a load like this, fly your ship like everyone is out to get you because probably that is actually the case. You had the ship to do so and still you failed. CCP already gave you everything you needed to protect yourself and you did not apply the cloak. Thus: POP!
Do you haul? |
Makari Aeron
The Shadow's Of Eve TSOE Consortium
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Posted - 2014.08.29 23:01:00 -
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Quick solution, don't live in hisec. CCP RedDawn:Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty..||| CCP Goliath:I often believe that the best way to get something done is to shout at the person trying to help you. ||| CCP Goliath:http://goo.gl/PKGDPZ |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.29 23:02:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Syn Shi wrote:There is no risk to gank in hi-sec. The ships they use are so cheap and easy to replace the whole risk thing has been circumvented.
Ship blows up, so what...just buy another.
Everyone knows your name, no probelm just buy another character.
The game is so saturated with isk that isk has removed the risk factor. Tell that to all the guys who suicide gank someone, and end up making a heavy loss because everything they wanted to loot gets destroyed in the ship destruction.
I liked your comments until here. That is not risk. It's a loss, but it's not risk. It's about as 'risky' as blowing someone up when you haven't scanned their cargo. The point was that ganking ships are so cheap, losing a dozen of them makes zero difference. Your response does not address that in the slightest.
Try again. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.08.29 23:06:00 -
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Dorian Wylde wrote:I liked your comments until here. That is not risk. It's a loss, but it's not risk. Uhm. Yes, that's what risks are: the chance of a loss.
Quote:It's about as 'risky' as blowing someone up when you haven't scanned their cargo. No, it's not. The loot fairy does not care about scanners GÇö she just punishes you with Meta-3 hardeners when you're praying for a deadspace booster.
Quote:The point was that ganking ships are so cheap, losing a dozen of them makes zero difference. Your response does not address that in the slightest. The point rested on a thoroughly flawed notion of what risk actually is. His response addressed it by describing the risk involved. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Zappity
S U P R E M E - M A T H E M A T I C S A Band Apart.
1314
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Posted - 2014.08.29 23:06:00 -
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I would love to see a well functioning bounty system. It would be nice if bounty hunting was a viable profession. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6229
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Posted - 2014.08.29 23:11:00 -
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My only regret is that I have but only one bucket to give: a++ püñ Gùò_Gùò a++püñ a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.08.29 23:31:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:I you roll over my sheep with your armored truck, I can do two things about it: - buy myself an armored truck and blow yours - bring some pesticide and poison all sheeps in your brother's farm as he was who paid for your truck. Your sheeps for my sheeps, dude. so you'd go and murder some random person's sheep because some one roadkilled one of yours? you are aware how stupid that is, right? He's not a random person. He's the guy who pays your bills. Your sheeps for my sheeps. that's not how responsibility works also what is this line of conversation even about this is the only post in this thread i've cared to read besides falcon's which are beautiful posts made by a beautiful man The serous point is that PvPrs who disrupt the non-PvP activities of players who don't engage in PvP should be exposed to have their own non-PvP acitvities disrupted by their victims. A extreme and funny example was given by Mike Azariah in his "Peace dec" blog. The whole risk vs reward is biased since A can force his playstyle on B but B can't force his play style on A, so B must either play as A does or quit the game. That's barely an equitable choice, but CCP are OK with it.
I like to play a version of monopoly where only I can build hotels and my opponents can not. Unfortunately for me that version doesn't exist ... just as your preferred version of EvE doesn't. You have to do with the version that does.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11369
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Posted - 2014.08.29 23:58:00 -
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I've hauled loads implants worth 2+ billion in and out of Jita multiple times, in T1 industrials. I've never been ganked because I don't give anyone the opportunity to cargo scan me. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11369
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Posted - 2014.08.30 00:01:00 -
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And LOL at getting ganked in a Prorator. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.08.30 00:10:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:I you roll over my sheep with your armored truck, I can do two things about it: - buy myself an armored truck and blow yours - bring some pesticide and poison all sheeps in your brother's farm as he was who paid for your truck. Your sheeps for my sheeps, dude. so you'd go and murder some random person's sheep because some one roadkilled one of yours? you are aware how stupid that is, right? He's not a random person. He's the guy who pays your bills. Your sheeps for my sheeps. that's not how responsibility works also what is this line of conversation even about this is the only post in this thread i've cared to read besides falcon's which are beautiful posts made by a beautiful man The serous point is that PvPrs who disrupt the non-PvP activities of players who don't engage in PvP should be exposed to have their own non-PvP acitvities disrupted by their victims. A extreme and funny example was given by Mike Azariah in his "Peace dec" blog. The whole risk vs reward is biased since A can force his playstyle on B but B can't force his play style on A, so B must either play as A does or quit the game. That's barely an equitable choice, but CCP are OK with it.
I read that crappy blog and it's garbage. No one is forcing you not to run missions or not haul 10 billion ISK worth of stuff in an untanked Iteron V.
Also, failing to grasp the basic premise of EVE Online: You and that author are doing that.
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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5395
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Posted - 2014.08.30 00:43:00 -
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Paul Maken wrote:4.) The addition of the Tier 3 battlecruisers, especially the high alpha of the Tornadoes, reduced the cost of ganking with fewer larger ships until the insurance change came to balance that out.
*cough*Samepatch*cough* *cough*theywerestillmoreexpensivethanprepatchbsganking*cough*
In other words, there has been exactly one patch that buffed ganking, and all that did was allow gankers to spend ISK instead of time if they wanted the convenience of not being -10. (You can gank just fine as a -10)
Quote:Overall, the changes have balanced out to keep the risk/reward relationships in check.
You forgot a whole lot on your list of nerfs to ganking. Starting with the biggest and first one:
CONCORD stopped being tankable. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2014.08.30 00:44:00 -
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Dorian Wylde wrote:Try again.
Don't need to buddy, what I said is fact. Sorry if you don't agree.
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5395
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Posted - 2014.08.30 00:47:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Dorian Wylde wrote:Try again. Don't need to buddy, what I said is fact. Sorry if you don't agree.
Never let the facts interfere with telling a good story.
I feel like I've been saying this a lot recently. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Foxstar Damaskeenus
Soul Takers
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Posted - 2014.08.30 00:57:00 -
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Duchess Amarrian wrote: The two that got me are "Luukje" and "Natural CloneKiller". I put up a big bounty on Luk so enjoy your hunting.
cheers
Congradulations Luukje and NaturalCloneKiller |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9333
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Posted - 2014.08.30 00:57:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Dorian Wylde wrote:Try again. Don't need to buddy, what I said is fact. Sorry if you don't agree.
[ ] Rekt
[ ] Not Rekt
[x] Falcon Punched "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4163
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Posted - 2014.08.30 01:20:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:And standard haulers generally can't survived 10-15 T1 catalysts, no matter how much you tank them. Surviving 10GÇô15 catalysts in a hauler isn't particularly hard, and using 10GÇô15 catalysts means you operate at a loss if the target is carrying 30M worth of goods. Depends on if they are going for loot or a green killboard and tears. And no, a standard hauler, as in not a freighter, is not going to be surviving that many catalysts. It would be a push to survive 5, which would even be green on the loot side too.
Xuixien wrote:Nope my logic is perfectly fine. You are obviously an anti-greifer, carebear advocate. You whine about how carebears have it soooo hard, and call for more strict consequences to gankers. You never once, as far as I've read, called for harsher consequences for carebears or even advocated that carebears should take even the most rudimentary of steps to protect themselves.
Ergo, your position is fairly obvious to everyone reading. Wrong. Try not trolling so much. Basically you disagree with me, so rather than come up with something sensible to say you are going to attack me, call me a carebear lover, and blah blah blah, the usual tears of someone with the inability to communicate. If you read what I actually wrote, you''d realise you were talking out of your ass. Either way, I'm not arguing this point with you. Troll elsewhere.
Xuixien wrote:Even the most obtuse gankers aren't going to spend 100-150 million ISK worth of Catalysts to kill an IttyV carrying 30 mil of Omber. Where are you buying your T1 catalysts for 10m a pop? 2.5m tops, and that's if you can't be bothered to wait of buy orders. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4163
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Posted - 2014.08.30 01:24:00 -
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Andski wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:For starters I'd make killrights relevant. And to be honest, that might even be enough. Make them stay for either the 30 days or until the a proportion of the amount has been lost to them as what they caused, and they would no longer be able to be removed by alts in rookie ships. So if you take part in a titan kill in lowsec you'll have open kill rights on you until you yourself lose a titan's worth of ships Fantastic idea there Or 30 days. And as far as I know you only get killrights for pods in lowsec, not for ships, so no. Also I said a proportion. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5397
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Posted - 2014.08.30 02:30:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Depends on if they are going for loot or a green killboard and tears. And no, a standard hauler, as in not a freighter, is not going to be surviving that many catalysts. It would be a push to survive 5, which would even be green on the loot side too.
If someone's willing to **** money away to kill your ship, maybe you should avoid annoying people?
Quote:Xuixien wrote:Even the most obtuse gankers aren't going to spend 100-150 million ISK worth of Catalysts to kill an IttyV carrying 30 mil of Omber. Where are you buying your T1 catalysts for 10m a pop? 2.5m tops, and that's if you can't be bothered to wait of buy orders.
T1 Catalysts cost you in a much more important area. Manpower. Which is why T2 Catas and larger ships are so popular with gankers.
First two Freighter Ganks on zkill have more than 50% of their damage done by ships bigger than Catalysts. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
2784
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Posted - 2014.08.30 08:24:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:The serous point is that PvPrs who disrupt the non-PvP activities of players who don't engage in PvP should be exposed to have their own non-PvP acitvities disrupted by their victims.
A extreme and funny example was given by Mike Azariah in his "Peace dec" blog.
The whole risk vs reward is biased since A can force his playstyle on B but B can't force his play style on A, so B must either play as A does or quit the game. That's barely an equitable choice, but CCP are OK with it. A can only force B if B allows it. Everyone is provided with the tools to mitigate risk. If you choose not to use them that is no one's fault but your own.
People answer to incentives.
In EVE, people who don't mess with anyone are incentivized to leave the game, whereas people who mess with others never are incentivized to leave the game.
IMHO, that's wrong.
CCP completely dissents.
There really isn't much more to say. -»\(-¦_-¦)/-» The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
9234
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Posted - 2014.08.30 08:56:00 -
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Modern society created weaklings who have stopped understanding that being able tk protect ones self is of utter most importance.
Instead people obey to a protective authority. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961 |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9351
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Posted - 2014.08.30 09:13:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: In EVE, people who don't mess with anyone are incentivized to leave the game, whereas people who mess with others never are incentivized to leave the game.
You have that wrong. People who don't mess with anyone are not the issue.
People who refuse to take responsibility for their own defense are incentivized to leave the game.
And that's just fine.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
2785
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Posted - 2014.08.30 09:13:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Modern society created weaklings who have stopped understanding that being able tk protect ones self is of utter most importance.
Instead people obey to a protective authority.
The whole art of civilization is to set layers between violence and the individual. That allows those who can't protect themselves to make it alive through deadly perils such as being a child and going to school in some countries.
In EVE, everybody is armed and nobody is safe. RL is the same but with irreversible consequences. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3837
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Posted - 2014.08.30 09:14:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:In EVE, people who don't mess with anyone are incentivized to leave the game, whereas people who mess with others never are incentivized to leave the game. false |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
2785
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Posted - 2014.08.30 09:20:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:In EVE, people who don't mess with anyone are incentivized to leave the game, whereas people who mess with others never are incentivized to leave the game. false
There are two statements, which one you call false and why? The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
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