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Riho
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:10:00 -
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lol, most stupid suggestion i have seen :P
i dont understand why theres a need to catch up whit long time players ? just play ur game and become good at what u can use.
and old chars dieing.... imagine a your 40mil sp char dieing one day... bye bye thoes 2+ years of work and time.
im only on 5,3 mil sp atm... and if i knew my char is going to die at some random point in time.... i woulnt bother. why would i waste my time, money for subs, and effort to get a char that dies ??
and u think all long time players use carrier and huge ships that pwn all ? wrong, there are ppl whit 30, 40 mil sp and have specialized in frigs or cruisers and cant even fly enything better. so u can still compete whit them. a char can come efficent even whit 1 mil sp. u got ur small gunnery or missile skills, frig skill, few support skills and u can allredy be off and pvp.
yeah it ****es me off that someone who has been playing 2 years more than me can use stuff i cant and i want, but some day i can :)
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Raider Zero
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:10:00 -
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I understand why you would post that. However, as a 6 month player I can say that you'll soon realize why you got such a horrible response. (Besides telling people that there would be a systematic erasure of all the time that they played)
You'll soon be able to be competent in things even though you have less points. First maybe you're a tackler with webber, scrammer, and ewar (all very low level skills). Then you'll move up as you train differing things. Point is that if you specialize in what you like now, it doesn't take as long as you'd think to get good.
There's another major point about the training system that you missed or ignored: It takes less time to train a skill from 0-4 than it does from 4-5. Since @ level 4, you are generally 96% or so as good as level 5 (assuming a 5% bonus per level in that skill), it is theoretically possible to be intdistinguishable from an ancient player in less than 1/2 the time.
Somebody else may be able to put a gaudy 40m skill points near their name, but that doesn't mean they are twice as good as a 20m player. A lot more depends on WHERE the skills are and what the desired outcome is than just how many points a guy has.
My character is a good example. My first two-three months I was mostly a miner because I wanted to earn as much isk as I could while working on the learning skills mostly. I have since switched over to BS pilot and I can run almost all L4's without a problem and I have less than 5 million points in anything other than industry and learning. I have just for fun dueled higher SP players in my corp and if I have a better setup, I win. If the setups are equal, I lose, but not in the dramatic fashion 1/3 the sp would indicate.
Rather than complain that it's not fair, focus on getting better and soon you'll realize that you spoke from a position of undereducation rather than enlightenment.
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Mrmuttley
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:10:00 -
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For this idea to work it would have to be possible for you to have every skill within the year or two before the character dies.
Why not make it three months. Then everyone would be able to catch up 4 times a year. Lets have say 60 levels and by playing a few easy missons like picking flowers and killing an orc or two then you level up through the game.
Or how about we just leave the skill system as it is because its one of the things that ensures the longevity of many peoples game time.
I'm just comming up on 30 mill SP and I know I will never have as many SP as Dr Caymus, Starfly and Tripoli and I really dont care. Fun in game is way way more important than SP.
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Your ass will be laminated.
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Eve is not supposed to be fair
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:11:00 -
[124]
I despair for the stupidity shown by the OP.
"Kill off the reason for your most loyal subscribers to continue paying" is not a good business model.
If you carry on thinking along these lines you will spend many years flipping burgers.
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Miss J
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:15:00 -
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ohhh no I need skillz I dont get it if you dont like it wait for the big isk in 0.0 when you got the skillz or just go out to it some of us did it I do not what to die after so long time and so many mony we all whas noob at some time damn I am getting sick of this oh no I need isk skillz and so on I still need many skillz and isk but hey its a gret game so play it or dont ..........sorry this is my alt cant post whit my main
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Vincent Gaines
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:16:00 -
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I played Sid Meyer's Pirates where you would have to retire after a fixed amount of time, and it was very frustrating.
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Nicocat
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Gaines I played Sid Meyer's Pirates where you would have to retire after a fixed amount of time, and it was very frustrating.
You forgot to update your clone before you came of old age, n00b. =P ---------------------------- The opinions expressed by Nico do not reflect his corporation. He's just an ass.
-Alexi
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eLLioTT wave
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:21:00 -
[128]
TBH if you cannot understand this simple thing then eve is probably not the game for you.
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Tabet Saens
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:24:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Deja Thoris I despair for the stupidity shown by the OP.
"Kill off the reason for your most loyal subscribers to continue paying" is not a good business model.
Oh but look...SWG is doing so well!
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PaulAtreides
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:27:00 -
[130]
You are writing this with the asumption that everyone keeps playing Eve forever.
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Angellyne
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Angellyne on 11/07/2006 16:32:29 Don't let the vitriol get to you; This subject has come up many times, and despite saying they're tired of seeing it come up, for some reason the same veterans will reply to it every time. Side note: every time someone says "go play WoW", the forum gets just a little dumber.
Some sort of "death by old age" might have worked in Eve when it was new, but it would never work now. You're right, some people would probably like it, but it would kill the appeal of the game in the long term. I'd bet most people who appreciated the sort of change you suggest would hate it after one or two reincarnations.
As it is now, anyone who wants the 'thrill' of starting over can do that, anyone who dreads the 'tedium' of starting over doesn't have to. Take away that choice, and ... well, tedium's probably the #1 reason people quit MMOs.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Angellyne every time someone says "go play WoW", the forum gets just a little dumber.
and everytime someone does, they get a little smarter
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insanity
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ferd VonHeise
Originally by: K Shara go back to wow
Don't play it and never have... (Glad I got so many people "thinking" on the topic.
Some have mentioned how few of the "old timers" are still with us. I wonder what the "age" is of the Top Corporate Leaders would be?? That would be an interesting survey to do.
They are the ones making policy in game. (As much policy as can be had) They are the ones with the power.
So if it takes just 6 months to build a character... then if your character dies off after two or so years you would still have had a year and a half to have one of the best skilled characters around. What's so bad about that??
do you actually think that alliance leaders are followed because of there skill point totals? They are in these positions because of the people behind the charactor the skill points they have or dont have has nothing to do with how they lead. Recycling the charactors would just loose you the players that have been around a long time and have the experience. sure we could all start new ones every 6 months but those that rose to the top now would just do so again. If you have the ability to lead in real life you will find a spot in game to show it if you cant lead making yourself a ceo in game will not change that.
know one ever says "its just a game" when his team is winning
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insanity
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ferd VonHeise
Originally by: K Shara go back to wow
Don't play it and never have... (Glad I got so many people "thinking" on the topic.
Some have mentioned how few of the "old timers" are still with us. I wonder what the "age" is of the Top Corporate Leaders would be?? That would be an interesting survey to do.
They are the ones making policy in game. (As much policy as can be had) They are the ones with the power.
So if it takes just 6 months to build a character... then if your character dies off after two or so years you would still have had a year and a half to have one of the best skilled characters around. What's so bad about that??
do you actually think that alliance leaders are followed because of there skill point totals? They are in these positions because of the people behind the charactor the skill points they have or dont have has nothing to do with how they lead. Recycling the charactors would just loose you the players that have been around a long time and have the experience. sure we could all start new ones every 6 months but those that rose to the top now would just do so again. If you have the ability to lead in real life you will find a spot in game to show it if you cant lead making yourself a ceo in game will not change that.
know one ever says "its just a game" when his team is winning
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insanity
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ferd VonHeise
Originally by: K Shara go back to wow
Don't play it and never have... (Glad I got so many people "thinking" on the topic.
Some have mentioned how few of the "old timers" are still with us. I wonder what the "age" is of the Top Corporate Leaders would be?? That would be an interesting survey to do.
They are the ones making policy in game. (As much policy as can be had) They are the ones with the power.
So if it takes just 6 months to build a character... then if your character dies off after two or so years you would still have had a year and a half to have one of the best skilled characters around. What's so bad about that??
do you actually think that alliance leaders are followed because of there skill point totals? They are in these positions because of the people behind the charactor the skill points they have or dont have has nothing to do with how they lead. Recycling the charactors would just loose you the players that have been around a long time and have the experience. sure we could all start new ones every 6 months but those that rose to the top now would just do so again. If you have the ability to lead in real life you will find a spot in game to show it if you cant lead making yourself a ceo in game will not change that.
know one ever says "its just a game" when his team is winning
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insanity
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ferd VonHeise
Originally by: K Shara go back to wow
Don't play it and never have... (Glad I got so many people "thinking" on the topic.
Some have mentioned how few of the "old timers" are still with us. I wonder what the "age" is of the Top Corporate Leaders would be?? That would be an interesting survey to do.
They are the ones making policy in game. (As much policy as can be had) They are the ones with the power.
So if it takes just 6 months to build a character... then if your character dies off after two or so years you would still have had a year and a half to have one of the best skilled characters around. What's so bad about that??
do you actually think that alliance leaders are followed because of there skill point totals? They are in these positions because of the people behind the charactor the skill points they have or dont have has nothing to do with how they lead. Recycling the charactors would just loose you the players that have been around a long time and have the experience. sure we could all start new ones every 6 months but those that rose to the top now would just do so again. If you have the ability to lead in real life you will find a spot in game to show it if you cant lead making yourself a ceo in game will not change that.
know one ever says "its just a game" when his team is winning
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insanity
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:35:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Ferd VonHeise
Originally by: K Shara go back to wow
Don't play it and never have... (Glad I got so many people "thinking" on the topic.
Some have mentioned how few of the "old timers" are still with us. I wonder what the "age" is of the Top Corporate Leaders would be?? That would be an interesting survey to do.
They are the ones making policy in game. (As much policy as can be had) They are the ones with the power.
So if it takes just 6 months to build a character... then if your character dies off after two or so years you would still have had a year and a half to have one of the best skilled characters around. What's so bad about that??
do you actually think that alliance leaders are followed because of there skill point totals? They are in these positions because of the people behind the charactor the skill points they have or dont have has nothing to do with how they lead. Recycling the charactors would just loose you the players that have been around a long time and have the experience. sure we could all start new ones every 6 months but those that rose to the top now would just do so again. If you have the ability to lead in real life you will find a spot in game to show it if you cant lead making yourself a ceo in game will not change that.
know one ever says "its just a game" when his team is winning
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insanity
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ferd VonHeise
Originally by: K Shara go back to wow
Don't play it and never have... (Glad I got so many people "thinking" on the topic.
Some have mentioned how few of the "old timers" are still with us. I wonder what the "age" is of the Top Corporate Leaders would be?? That would be an interesting survey to do.
They are the ones making policy in game. (As much policy as can be had) They are the ones with the power.
So if it takes just 6 months to build a character... then if your character dies off after two or so years you would still have had a year and a half to have one of the best skilled characters around. What's so bad about that??
do you actually think that alliance leaders are followed because of there skill point totals? They are in these positions because of the people behind the charactor the skill points they have or dont have has nothing to do with how they lead. Recycling the charactors would just loose you the players that have been around a long time and have the experience. sure we could all start new ones every 6 months but those that rose to the top now would just do so again. If you have the ability to lead in real life you will find a spot in game to show it if you cant lead making yourself a ceo in game will not change that.
know one ever says "its just a game" when his team is winning
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Terrak2
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:36:00 -
[139]
3 years = 36 months at $15 a month.
36 x $15 = $540 USD put into the game at 3 years ($648 if you were paying the $18 for Paypal).
That's not counting the hours spent building up the account (which, at US minimum wage, would be in the tens of thousands of dollars).
So basically... No. -- Terror Legion - Recruiting |
Terrak2
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:36:00 -
[140]
3 years = 36 months at $15 a month.
36 x $15 = $540 USD put into the game at 3 years ($648 if you were paying the $18 for Paypal).
That's not counting the hours spent building up the account (which, at US minimum wage, would be in the tens of thousands of dollars).
So basically... No. -- Terror Legion - Recruiting |
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Terrak2
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:36:00 -
[141]
3 years = 36 months at $15 a month.
36 x $15 = $540 USD put into the game at 3 years ($648 if you were paying the $18 for Paypal).
That's not counting the hours spent building up the account (which, at US minimum wage, would be in the tens of thousands of dollars).
So basically... No. -- Terror Legion - Recruiting |
Terrak2
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:36:00 -
[142]
3 years = 36 months at $15 a month.
36 x $15 = $540 USD put into the game at 3 years ($648 if you were paying the $18 for Paypal).
That's not counting the hours spent building up the account (which, at US minimum wage, would be in the tens of thousands of dollars).
So basically... No. -- Terror Legion - Recruiting |
Terrak2
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:36:00 -
[143]
3 years = 36 months at $15 a month.
36 x $15 = $540 USD put into the game at 3 years ($648 if you were paying the $18 for Paypal).
That's not counting the hours spent building up the account (which, at US minimum wage, would be in the tens of thousands of dollars).
So basically... No. -- Terror Legion - Recruiting |
Terrak2
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:36:00 -
[144]
3 years = 36 months at $15 a month.
36 x $15 = $540 USD put into the game at 3 years ($648 if you were paying the $18 for Paypal).
That's not counting the hours spent building up the account (which, at US minimum wage, would be in the tens of thousands of dollars).
So basically... No. -- Terror Legion - Recruiting |
Angellyne
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Angellyne every time someone says "go play WoW", the forum gets just a little dumber.
and everytime someone does, they get a little smarter
Eh, cute but doubtful. If someone saw "go play WoW" and thought, "hmm, maybe he's right - that could be more my style..." the forum would be losing one of the smart ones.
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Aeon Yakati
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:41:00 -
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Someone made the analogy already I believe, but...
When you pay $15 a month to play a sport, you don't expect to be at the top right away, don't you? So why would you in EVE?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Angellyne
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Angellyne every time someone says "go play WoW", the forum gets just a little dumber.
and everytime someone does, they get a little smarter
Eh, cute but doubtful. If someone saw "go play WoW" and thought, "hmm, maybe he's right - that could be more my style..." the forum would be losing one of the smart ones.
I think he's implying that people who play WoW and enjoy it are dumb. I would not disagree with this...
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ElweSingollo
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Posted - 2006.07.11 17:04:00 -
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kudos for putting out an idea for critique but unfortunately that idea is flawed in the extreme, due to what appears to be your lack of understanding of the skills system.
Take myself as an example I started about a year and half or so ago have 17odd mil sp's on my 1st account due to not really knowing what I was doing when I started my Attributes for a combat character are ok but not great and I didn't train the learning skills straight away and generally skill wise am spread out there are a fair few skils I have learned I wish I hadn't now. What that means is that if I had specialised from day one on one race I would be a lot better than I am currently. I have a power of two account that is 5 months old or so.. already has 5mil odd sp's will be flying af's shortly and I would say in about 2 months would outfight my 1st account in a frigate fight yet is much the younger character. Specialisation helps a huge ammount.
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Frezik
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Posted - 2006.07.11 17:09:00 -
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You forget what those extra skill points get you: A whole 5-10% better in a specific thing, or not particularly better in a lot of different things. This contrasts sharply with most other MMOs, where even a hoard of 1-week-old characters has no chance at all against a 2-year-old character. Goonfleet has proved the opposite for Eve. ---- "Well in this case, he's being flamed, and rightly so, for whinning about a game mechanic that doesn't actually exist." -Lorth |
madaluap
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Posted - 2006.07.11 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Captain IceEye
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii My charachter IS ME if you get my meaning..
Wow, talking about addiction.....
Nah i get the point, my character is me aswell..this is my main. I dont even have real alts... _________________________________________________
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