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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5398
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:04:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Capt Starfox wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Can somebody please remind me how many times Sohkar left the Bonus Room....only to return?
And this question would be directed to those who actually listened to the recording in its entirety...not the sheeple who just read the blog and are therefore experts in this situation.... Relevance? You serious? Absolutely. Its irrelevant. But its a nice attempt to shift the blame from the people who did do the wrong thing onto the victim. Actually, not its pretty transparent and a bad attempt. Somebody took his stuff, granted it was just pixels, however that's irrelevant. Whats relevant is a number of people deliberately set out to humiliate and embarrass another person without any regard for them at all. They also made fun of him because he had a speech impediment which is vilification based on disability. There are a lot of things wrong with what they did and your pathetic attempts to try to justify the behavior is, well, pathetic. Also relevant is if it happened again and a more imbalanced person was deliberately targeted and treated the same way causing that person to harm themselves then CCP would likely be liable in part since they are now fully aware of whats occurring and doing nothing would be pretty stupid from a legal point of view. CCP has nothing to gain by allowing this behavior to continue and potentially a lot to lose. Unfortunately rude, obnoxious behavior is not illegal... even if it hurts someones feelings.
For example, it is legal for a religious organization to send a group to a persons funeral to chant and make cat calls attempting to disrupt the service... proclaiming the deceased will go to hell and that they are pleased to know that their death was a sign from god.
This happens to military personnel and even children of military personnel regularly.
However abhorrent this behavior may be, it is still not illegal.
Furthermore, just because law enforcement and the owners of the cemetery know this is going to happen, they are not accountable.... because nothing illegal has happened.
This incident pales to insignificance in comparison. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
lollerwaffle
Perkone Caldari State
161
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:05:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:You mean the reply to the post where Luminous Spirit used the words paedophilia, the censored form of sexual assault etc; in an entirely out of context manner while seeming to compare them to the loss of internet spaceships?
And I'm supposed to be the one who is illiterate? Yes, that one. He didn't compare pedophilia with loss of space ships in any way, not for significance or context. Dont you understand that? Please, tell me you can understand that. Ok, so he compared someone willing subjecting themselves to harassment to paedophilia.
Doesn't make him any more right. Nitpicking on words rather than the actual meaning behind them is poor form and you should be ashamed of yourself. I would laugh my head off if someone walked up to you in real life and punched you for your stupid posting. Hey, don't blame me for that, I have a right to have such a view, as do you, and you defended it earlier. |
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
98
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:05:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Moloney wrote:This is the sort of thing that will pit the balance against b-r in terms of drawing new players.
There are several gaming sites more or less calling the eve player base complete scum.
With this as an example I do not know how anyone could deny it.
Scams are one thing, complete humiliation and degradation of another human irrispective of their own stupidity is wrong.
Next we are going to get recording or chat logs of a mentally chalanged Person being ridiculed or got know what these guys thing is appropriate for minors...
Change is needed. Ive Got balls of steel.because its limited to EVE LOL...
Yea.. Or xbox live, or WoW or like anywhere else on the internet.
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Berendas
The Learning Curve. The Marmite Collective
835
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:07:00 -
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"Your rights end where my feelings begin."
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Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1432
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:08:00 -
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Yaknow, after 150+ pages, all hope of effective communication is effectively dead. We're at the "dead horse beating" and "mental ************" cycle of posting. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
lollerwaffle
Perkone Caldari State
161
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:08:00 -
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Hoshi Sorano wrote: Seriously though, it's CCP's game, and they have the right to remove anyone they find "distasteful." We are just asking that they acknowledge this behavior as not only distasteful but detrimental to the continued health and growth of their game, and to take appropriate action to preserve said game.
Bingo. The key word here is THEY (CCP). You are asking that they acknowledge this behaviour as distasteful, and as of this post, THEY are ignoring your request, possibly because they could care less, or simply feel like this is within acceptable limits. |
Upde
Upde Harris Industries
53
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:08:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Hoshi Sorano wrote:Seriously though, it's CCP's game, and they have the right to remove anyone they find "distasteful." We are just asking that they acknowledge this behavior as not only distasteful but detrimental to the continued health and growth of their game, and to take appropriate action to preserve said game. Will you quit if they disagree with you? This whole, "CCP should ban E1 for their own good" is a really, really weak line of reasoning given Eve's history.
i'll agree with the last statement. Baning a single individual will do nothing as someone else will simply take up the reigns. What is needed is a belt and bracers review of these "questionable" out of game using in game leverage practices and a clearly defined position from CCP.
Unless anyone in here is an actually lawyer then everything thus far that has been posted is pointless opinion based drivel. CCP's position will undoubtedly be influence by how they feel this may or may not damage their image to the outside world where all the shiny investors reside. Once they have cemented their position they may or may not have to take punitive action to appease their sponsors / financial backers / media friends. That is up to them, but they certainly won't be using this thread as their compass when/if it comes to that. |
lollerwaffle
Perkone Caldari State
161
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:09:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Yaknow, after 150+ pages, all hope of effective communication is effectively dead. We're at the "dead horse beating" and "mental ************" cycle of posting. Procrastinating at work for me |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
692
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:09:00 -
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lollerwaffle wrote:Ok, so he compared someone willing subjecting themselves to harassment to paedophilia. What?! But that again, is a completely ridiculous conclusion! He did not even remotely compare those.
I'm sitting here literally shaking my head repeatedly trying to comprehend how it is you can so absolutely misread and miscomprehend what someone else is LITERALLY writing. As in what is there in the words. As in the objective expression, as a sequence of letters that when combined form words that have specific definitions.
Its like you are reading with your imagination. I don't see where the connection is between what you THINK you are reading, and what is actually there in letters and words for you to read.
I need to go for a walk. Seriously, this is upsetting to me. What is the point of language and communication if you DONT READ the words and understand them as close to the meaning and intent as possible of the person who expressed them. I mean why else even fking bother? |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10743
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:10:00 -
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Big Lynx wrote:baltec1 wrote: Quite frankly what you people are currently doing to E1 is closer to cyber bullying as you drag their name through the mud via as many media outlets as you can manage.
You can't be serious mate.
I am. These people haven't even listened to the recording and are throwing nothing but abuse about at anyone who disagrees with them. They have taken it upon themselves to spread this around as many gaming site and news sites as they can.
All that for someone getting someone to read out the code, look up wikipedia and try to get them to sing two song one of which from a disney cartoon. Never once did they swear at the contestant while the contestant spent a good 30 min throwing abuse about.
This is nothing but a witchhunt. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1432
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:12:00 -
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lollerwaffle wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Yaknow, after 150+ pages, all hope of effective communication is effectively dead. We're at the "dead horse beating" and "mental ************" cycle of posting. Procrastinating at work for me
Can't sleep myself. I'm supposed to be napping before a 24 hour shift, but the benadryl is doing nothing.
This thread is AMAZING though, viewed through a haze of opiates. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
175
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:13:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Big Lynx wrote:baltec1 wrote: Quite frankly what you people are currently doing to E1 is closer to cyber bullying as you drag their name through the mud via as many media outlets as you can manage.
You can't be serious mate. I am. These people haven't even listened to the recording and are throwing nothing but abuse about at anyone who disagrees with them. They have taken it upon themselves to spread this around as many gaming site and news sites as they can. All that for someone getting someone to read out the code, look up wikipedia and try to get them to sing two song one of which from a disney cartoon. Never once did they swear at the contestant while the contestant spent a good 30 min throwing abuse about. This is nothing but a witchhunt. Exactly this.
/thread Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Lord Mandelor
Tengoo Uninstallation Service Pasta Syndicate
205
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:13:00 -
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"Torture".
Mates pls.
The guy could've left whenever he want, and while it makes sense for people to question just how far the Bonus Room goes, the participant was willing to stay because of their own greed.
Also, the recorded guy wasn't exactly some kind of space saint in any sense. New Order Supporter/Tengoo Uninstaller |
olan2005
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
30
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:14:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Big Lynx wrote:baltec1 wrote: Quite frankly what you people are currently doing to E1 is closer to cyber bullying as you drag their name through the mud via as many media outlets as you can manage.
You can't be serious mate. I am. These people haven't even listened to the recording and are throwing nothing but abuse about at anyone who disagrees with them. They have taken it upon themselves to spread this around as many gaming site and news sites as they can. All that for someone getting someone to read out the code, look up wikipedia and try to get them to sing two song one of which from a disney cartoon. Never once did they swear at the contestant while the contestant spent a good 30 min throwing abuse about. This is nothing but a witchhunt.
What they did was take a in-game scam out of game to avoid repercussions of EULA and Humiliate a person not a avatar for personal enjoyment using coercive means. The COERCIVE means and OUT OF GAME mechanisms for Humiliation , with deliberate intent to harm another is what is at issue here. Personally they should be banned for taking this scam to far |
Berendas
The Learning Curve. The Marmite Collective
835
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:14:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Can't sleep myself. I'm supposed to be napping before a 24 hour shift, but the benadryl is doing nothing.
This thread is AMAZING though, viewed through a haze of opiates.
What is your line of work that you have a shift that lasts 24 hours? The only thing that comes readily to my mind are pilots that fly transcontinental routes, and even then they alternate. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
692
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:14:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:These people
Funny. I seem to recall "these people" being used to identify various other associations of players with mutual ingame interests.
For example, Erotica1 and "these people" who listen to the abuse in the Bonus Room. Hows that for a reprehensible bunch. |
Danalee
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
574
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:14:00 -
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Ok, sorry I had to leave for a bit, I actually went and tried my own challenge. For who doesn't remember from 100-odd pages ago;
Danalee wrote:Listen again to the recording, every time Erotica1 bullies, threatens, shouts or does anything remotely bad drink a glass of water. Every time the supposed victim shouts, swears, threatens someone or is just a terrible person, have a j+ñgerbomb.
You'll be pissed, I guarantee it. I kinda got really drunk, really fast but am good now. Me and my family contemplated suing sokhar for every penny he has though since he damaged my liver with his bonus room shenanigans. Anyhow. What?! 150+ Pages....
Can someone provide me the cliffnotes of what was said after I passed out?
D.
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lollerwaffle
Perkone Caldari State
161
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:15:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:lollerwaffle wrote:Ok, so he compared someone willing subjecting themselves to harassment to paedophilia. What?! But that again, is a completely ridiculous conclusion! He did not even remotely compare those. I'm sitting here literally shaking my head repeatedly trying to comprehend how it is you can so absolutely misread and miscomprehend what someone else is LITERALLY writing. As in what is there in the words. As in the objective expression, as a sequence of letters that when combined form words that have specific definitions. Its like you are reading with your imagination. I don't see where the connection is between what you THINK you are reading, and what is actually there in letters and words for you to read. I need to go for a walk. Seriously, this is upsetting to me. What is the point of language and communication if you DONT READ the words and understand them as close to the meaning and intent as possible of the person who expressed them. I mean why else even fking bother? I mean its like if this was one of Erotica1's Bonus Room tests, you would fail it. If I showed you that text and asked you to write out for me what you understand it to mean damn Im afraid to even know what that might be. Language. Do. You. Use. It. Oh look, petty insults. I'm sorry English isn't my first language and I'm not as skilled at twisting words around as you are. So he didn't 'compare' what happened to paedophilia. Instead, he implied that he was going to tip the FBI that the perpetrator was doing that. Does that make you feel better now that you've won at nitpicking and failed to address a post like an adult?
Please go for a walk since you seem to get upset over random strangers posting on the internet. It's OK, sometime it happens to people with weak mental constitution.
Thanks for playing. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1642
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:15:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:*sigh* I see the U.S. prime contingent are back with the old the-victim-is-stupid-so-what-happened-to-him-is-perfectly-justified schtick.
Not sure about the stupid part but the guy that got scammed clearly consented to everything, clearly is a full blown racist, and clearly made real life threats of physical violence. The last two points that I made are clearly banable if done inside of EVE online, but since it was done outside the game it falls outside the realm of CCP and is best left for the authorities. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Allisar Naxx
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:16:00 -
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For anyone just joining us, allow me to provide a summary of the last 150+ pages:
"Erotica 1's actions are exactly the same as (something completely different that has nothing do with Eve)!" - Everyone |
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
817
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:I am. These people haven't even listened to the recording and are throwing nothing but abuse about at anyone who disagrees with them. They have taken it upon themselves to spread this around as many gaming site and news sites as they can.
All that for someone getting someone to read out the code, look up wikipedia and try to get them to sing two song one of which from a disney cartoon. Never once did they swear at the contestant while the contestant spent a good 30 min throwing abuse about.
This is nothing but a witchhunt against E1 and they dont give a damn about this "victim" either as they are spreading his outbursts around the net. They have done more to damage this contestant than E1 ever did, they are even calling him mentally disabled based only upon a speech imediment. This whole thing is disgusting. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
914
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Big Lynx wrote:baltec1 wrote: Quite frankly what you people are currently doing to E1 is closer to cyber bullying as you drag their name through the mud via as many media outlets as you can manage.
You can't be serious mate. I am. These people haven't even listened to the recording and are throwing nothing but abuse about at anyone who disagrees with them. They have taken it upon themselves to spread this around as many gaming site and news sites as they can. All that for someone getting someone to read out the code, look up wikipedia and try to get them to sing two song one of which from a disney cartoon. Never once did they swear at the contestant while the contestant spent a good 30 min throwing abuse about. This is nothing but a witchhunt against E1 and they dont give a damn about this "victim" either as they are spreading his outbursts around the net. They have done more to damage this contestant than E1 ever did, they are even calling him mentally disabled based only upon a speech imediment. This whole thing is disgusting.
No no no.
You don't understand.
They did all this over Teamspeak. By doing it outside of the game, Erotica 1 created a false sense of ownership (ie, DEFRAUD) of the virtual items that exist in the game. This is the premise upon which he held them in MENTAL DURESS!!
By communicating game-related activities over TeamSpeak, Erotica 1 in fact broke international scam law! Interpol is involved. Calls have been made. AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1433
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:16:00 -
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Berendas wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Can't sleep myself. I'm supposed to be napping before a 24 hour shift, but the benadryl is doing nothing.
This thread is AMAZING though, viewed through a haze of opiates.
What is your line of work that you have a shift that lasts 24 hours? The only thing that comes readily to my mind are pilots that fly transcontinental routes, and even then they alternate.
I'm a nurse practitioner. I do shifts at the nearby ER, and for people with prescription privs, it's a 24 hour shift. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2444
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:17:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Your definition of bullying is incorrect though, despite your personal interpretation of the term. It is what the definitions of it say it is. Its not hard to look them up and accept that. Repetition is not a condition of bullying. Even a single act can constitute it. Several people have explained this to you. I linked you a definition, yesterday, 2 other guys have linked you one today. And yet you still insist that bullying involves things that are not actually implicit in it at all.
Yes, and most of those definitions were from different sources. You'll have as many definitions as the number of people you ask. Even you said that cyberbullying laws are just going onto the books in many states. So don't pretend like this is all settled and well-understood law, with one central definition that everyone has to agree with. I personally consider "repeated" to be an essential part of bullying, and if not a necessary part, then at the very least non-repeated bullying would require extraordinary circumstances for me to call it bullying.
Why do I consider "repeated" to be so important? Because the only reason anyone gives two ***** about cyberbullying is that a bunch of kids have been killing themselves over it. And the common thread in those cases is repeated harassment over months and years. So I'm justifiably skeptical when a bunch of people come around and try to tap into the emotional outrage over those tragedies by calling anything and everything that they don't like "bullying." And its only with repeated abuse that a victim becomes powerless to control their own environment. Its only with REPEATED abuse that the "X" at the top right corner of the screen loses its power. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Lucretia DeWinter
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
124
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:17:00 -
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Capt Starfox wrote:
Thanks for attacking me, I think I'll call the space police now.
On a more serious note, you completely danced around the fact that he left and came back multiple times. So, what's your stance on that? Personally, my stance is he could have left, but chose to stay. I know this argument has been brought up several times, but I believe most people simply overlook it. If he was being made fun of to the point of mental distress, he then should have logged off and taken the loss of his pixels. I am interested to hear what you legitimately have to say about it (no sarcasm).
If anyone hurts themselves, or others due to a video game, the blame is not on the developer of said video game but of someone/something else; family, or lack thereof is usually the first to blame.
Absolutely agreed in principle.
Regards the leaving and returning thing as it is a key point, he returns because he is invested in the situation. One element is his own greed that is driving him towards The Prize. the other is the skillful engineering going on to keep things going as long as possible. The way the instigators remain calm, authoratative, reasonable, polite yet continue to subtly push and coerce and encourage the participant to carry on. Deliberate use of specific techniques to encourage further participation is what keeps him coming back.
In all honestly, if it were my scam, I would have pulled the plug on it when it was obvious the participant was getting emotionally distressed with something like "look, I'm sorry, you are not going to continue in this Bonus Round and you're not getting your stuff back."
Yes, people should not care about space pixels and they should just get up and walk away, but people don't They ascribe real value to their space pixels. People in generally are psychologically susceptible to a variety of techniques, some of which are quite obviously used by the instigators.
Are the developers to blame for what happens in their game? No. Do they have a responsibility to provide a clear statement on how people are expected to conduct themselves or face potential consequences? Absolutely. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
692
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:17:00 -
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Ok, I will translate for you. He made no contextual or value comparison between pedophilia and spaceships, whatsoever. Nor did he in anyway imply that Erotica1 or anyone else is even remotely related to pedophilia I say that with all sincerity. There was no cause for alarm or getting upset at him. Its not there in the text. None of that is there or the case.
He did not mean or say what you "think" he did, in anyway, shape or form. |
Katkon Darnok
The Scope Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:18:00 -
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Lord Mandelor wrote:"Torture".
Mates pls.
The guy could've left whenever he want, and while it makes sense for people to question just how far the Bonus Room goes, the participant was willing to stay because of their own greed.
Also, the recorded guy wasn't exactly some kind of space saint in any sense.
Sure, he could have left after he'd handed over the 1B ISK and his entire asset base, and be left with nothing. He could have done that. Yes. |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
261
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:18:00 -
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lollerwaffle wrote: Oh look, petty insults. I'm sorry English isn't my first language and I'm not as skilled at twisting words around as you are. So he didn't 'compare' what happened to paedophilia. Instead, he implied that he was going to tip the FBI that the perpetrator was doing that. Does that make you feel better now that you've won at nitpicking and failed to address a post like an adult?
Please go for a walk since you seem to get upset over random strangers posting on the internet. It's OK, sometime it happens to people with weak mental constitution.
Thanks for playing.
I didint imply. I did tip the FBI, and several other agencies. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10745
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:18:00 -
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olan2005 wrote: What they did was take a in-game scam out of game to avoid repercussions of EULA and Humiliate a person not a avatar for personal enjoyment using coercive means. The COERCIVE means and OUT OF GAME mechanisms for Humiliation , with deliberate intent to harm another is what is at issue here. Personally they should be banned for taking this scam to far
They broke nothing in the EULA.
They use TS because it is better quality, more stable and can record things. This was a bog standard bonus room. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Big Lynx
The Gun Runners Space Warriors
270
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:19:00 -
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Xuixien wrote: By communicating game-related activities over TeamSpeak, Erotica 1 in fact broke international scam law! Interpol is involved. Calls have been made.
LELd hard here. |
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