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Brusanan
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:37:00 -
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If you listen to the full recording it is pretty obvious that if there is any bullying going on there, it isn't Erotica or his agents doing it.
Throughout the entire thing Erotica 1 and his agents are polite and courteous to Sohkar. Then Sohkar decided that he should win the bonus round without even finishing it. When Erotica wouldn't let him make up his own rules for the game, he lost it and started ranting and spewing expletives all over the place. And later on he got bored of the expletives and decided to start using racial slurs instead.
For those of you blindly accepting the words of an obvious slander piece, go start the recording at 1 hour and 45 minutes to hear for yourself how much of an innocent victim Sohkar really is. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:03:00 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Again: how much isk was scammed out of that guy? Only about 1.1 billion.
EDIT: Also, he wasn't scammed. He quit the bonus round and forfeited his ISK. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:45:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:I cancelled one of my money-paying subscriptions in protest at CCP tolerating cyber-bullying.
I encourage others to do the same.
We can live without that 4th dictor/cyno alt. CCP cant live without our money.
Time to make a stand and clean up EVE. This. I encourage everyone who finds something wrong with the bonus room to biomass your characters and then cancel your subscriptions. You might want to consider playing WoW while you wait for CCP to turn Eve into the carebear paradise you long for.
If you're looking for someone to look after your assets in the meantime, I am more than happy to hold onto your stuff for you. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:27:00 -
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This thread is just 150 pages of people making the same arguments over and over again.
Sorry anti-Erotica guys, you lost the debate before it started. GG. QQ. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:31:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Except for it does. Multiple recordings of abuse sessions, multiple victims, pattern of behaviour....
Oh buddy, the hammer will come down on E1, and it will come down hard. I liked the part where you are willing to lie to law enforcement and waste their time and money, and somehow you still think you have the moral high-ground. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:13:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Big Lynx wrote:baltec1 wrote: Quite frankly what you people are currently doing to E1 is closer to cyber bullying as you drag their name through the mud via as many media outlets as you can manage.
You can't be serious mate. I am. These people haven't even listened to the recording and are throwing nothing but abuse about at anyone who disagrees with them. They have taken it upon themselves to spread this around as many gaming site and news sites as they can. All that for someone getting someone to read out the code, look up wikipedia and try to get them to sing two song one of which from a disney cartoon. Never once did they swear at the contestant while the contestant spent a good 30 min throwing abuse about. This is nothing but a witchhunt. Exactly this.
/thread Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:28:00 -
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David Kir wrote:baltec1 wrote:David Kir wrote:
I don't think so.
But don't care about that. I care about the fact that people like E1 actively drive away new players.
Got any evidence for that? Personally I joined EVE because of its freedom to scam, loot and pillage. I joined EVE because of the danger, too. But that's irrelevant. We aren't talking about "scamming, looting and pillaging". We aren't talking about "da rulez", either. We're talking about unethical behaviour, and the reputation deriving from it. Eve is a game that is notorious for unethical behavior. It thrives on it. Your ethics have no place in my Eve.
Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:38:00 -
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David Kir wrote:There are various degrees of unethical behaviour.
Driving over a frog isn't the same as driving over a man. Your ethics are completely arbitrary, and so are mine. That is why society collectively comes up with rules and laws, instead of requiring each individual to use their own ethics as a guide.
No rules or laws were broken here, and your ethics are irrelevant. Move along. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:51:00 -
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David Kir wrote:Brusanan wrote:David Kir wrote:There are various degrees of unethical behaviour.
Driving over a frog isn't the same as driving over a man. Your ethics are completely arbitrary, and so are mine. That is why society collectively comes up with rules and laws, instead of requiring each individual to use their own ethics as a guide. No rules or laws were broken here, and your ethics are irrelevant. Move along. This kind of behaviour is considered immoral, however. And that's relevant. People don't want to play a game that exposes them to this kind of behaviour. They won't even try it. And that's what bothers me. That a few players like E1 can give EVE such a bad reputation. This isn't GHSC infiltrating a corporation and pulling off a massive heist. This doesn't make for good advertisement material. People don't want to play a game that exposes them to immoral behavior? So you speak for all of us now? Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:54:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Things are getting a little wacky again. Let's see if we can rein it in a bit with a simple question. Do you feel it's acceptable for a game company to knowingly allow obvious psychopaths to use their product to lure victims into out-of-game situations? Mr Epeen I think it's not up to the game company to decide what consenting adults should/shouldn't do outside of their game. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
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Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:11:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Brusanan wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Things are getting a little wacky again. Let's see if we can rein it in a bit with a simple question. Do you feel it's acceptable for a game company to knowingly allow obvious psychopaths to use their product to lure victims into out-of-game situations? Mr Epeen I think it's not up to the game company to decide what consenting adults should/shouldn't do outside of their game. Also, the diagnosis of psychopathy doesn't exist, in a medical sense. It's covered by a few separate disorders. PLus, diagnosing someone with a mental disorder is typically reserved to doctors and such, not game designers. There are rules 'bout dat. I think, if a game company told me "You're a psychopath, you aren't allowed to play our game", my first question would be "You have the ability to make this diagnosis how?" My second would be "Can I get the information for your lawyer?" I forgot, in the USA it'd be helluva huge ADA thing. Denying someone with a mental disorder access to your business based on that disorder is a biiig no-no. "Sociopath" and "Psychopath" are colloquial terms, not medical ones. They are different shades of Anti-Social Personality Disorder. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:47:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Singing Gummy Bears is clearly a horror, the CIA should try it on Al Qaeda and end terrorism forever. I am inclined to agree here. That song is truly terrible. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:15:00 -
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Alp Khan wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:Bethan Le Troix wrote:Has CCP made a comment on this issue since the first one telling us all to be polite to each other? 158 pages and it's still going strong.
It does seem like the use of this 'bonus room' idea is premeditated in that I think others have said the conversation was moved from EVE voice to a TS channel. So Erotica 1 probably knew beforehand that there could be some comeback on him if he conducted his actions through EVE voice.
I also don't understand why Erotica 1 didn't realise it had gone too far once the victims wife intervened and started asking Erotica 1 what was happening. Would he like this to happen to one of his family members, wife or children?
A lot of replies are focusing on the anger of the victim directed at Erotica 1 on the sound recording and on possibly violent suggestions towards Erotica 1 within replies to this post. People will react in different ways to being bullied and some will react aggressively and/or with violence. It's completely understandable if you mess with people to expect a reaction. Play with fire and you will get burned. It has been said many times. EVE voice sucks. EVE voice happens to be falling under the TOS and EULA which would have landed you a violation ban if you ever pulled what you usually pull over through Teamspeak. Something tells me you didn't actually listen to the recording before posting. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:15:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Hi, my name is Bob. I recently wagered all of my life savings at the Tops in New Vegas in an attempt to double my wealth. I had a 7 and an ace in my hand and the dealer was showing a 5. I doubled down, it was a sure thing. But the **** drew to 21 and I didn't. I lost all my money, so I asked them to give it back. Casino said no. I cried, then I yelled real loud. I may have hit a desk or two, then I may have said some 'stuff. Should've bought a goddam luck implant instead. Did you try going to all kinds of media outlets and threatening the casino with all kinds of bad publicity if they didn't make an exception for you? Try that next. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:23:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:stop posting From: XXXXXXXXX Sent: 2014.03.26 21:13 To: LUMINOUS SPIRIT,
Dude, 20 bil isk for you if you quietly stop posting.
Interesting. E1 thinks I can be quietly bought off for a mere 20 bil? Lol? Clearly that alt of yours is getting sick of your awful shitpoasting. You should listen to him. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:27:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Look at all these people surprised at someone saying nasty things when provoked. They are surprised because normal people do not go into fits of rage and spew expletives, racial slurs and death threats when asked to sing a song for video game money. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:45:00 -
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Alp Khan wrote:[Asking someone to post naked pictures of their significant other with the false promise that they will get their assets back and having them write your name on their bodies with mayonnaise is far from asking someone to sing a song. You seem confused. Erotica has never asked for nude pics of significant others.
Quote:PS. If you are an Erotica 1 alt, it wouldn't surprise me at all if you were abused as a children. Many victims of abuse who go rehabilitated turn to abusing others later in their lives. I like how all of the anti-Erotica people in this thread are so unconcerned with actually being right that they all just start wildly accusing Erotica of every crime they can think of. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:51:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:To those posting that what happens in the Bonus Room does not constitute torture:
"Since 1973Amnesty International has adopted the simplest, broadest definition of torture:
"Torture is the systematic and deliberate infliction of acute pain by one person on another, or on a third person, in order to accomplish the purpose of the former against the will of the latter." Entering the bonus room is voluntary. I'll probably be gone in an hour, try again then. Regards, Crumplecorn False. The will of the perpetrators in the Bonus Room is for the victim to leave the situation. The will of the victim is to fulfill the demands of the perpetrators, in order to fulfill the contract and receive the reward he was promised. The Bonus Room perpetrators enable and enact their will of causing the victim to leave the situation, by applying systematic and deliberate acute psychological pain (which constitutes torture). That is the mechanism whereby they "win" the Bonus Room. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219 You are causing psychological pain with your shitpoasting in order to enforce your will of getting the pro-Erotica people to stop supporting him in this thread.
Stop torturing us. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:07:00 -
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Alp Khan wrote:Brusanan wrote:Alp Khan wrote:[Asking someone to post naked pictures of their significant other with the false promise that they will get their assets back and having them write your name on their bodies with mayonnaise is far from asking someone to sing a song. You seem confused. Erotica has never asked for nude pics of significant others. Quote:PS. If you are an Erotica 1 alt, it wouldn't surprise me at all if you were abused as a children. Many victims of abuse who go rehabilitated turn to abusing others later in their lives. I like how all of the anti-Erotica people in this thread are so unconcerned with actually being right that they all just start wildly accusing Erotica of every crime they can think of. Oh yes, Erotica 1 has asked and received from his victims nsfw pictures of their significant others. And then, he posted them on forums. Of course, since you can falsely claim that Erotica 1 does not commit similar acts, you must be an Erotica 1 associate, and perhaps even one of the torturing company that we can listen to on Erotica 1 bonus room recordings? There are hundreds of people supporting him in this thread who are not his associates. Unless you think half of Eve are Erotica 1 escrow agents.
You are confused about how the pictures he posted on the forum came about. The pictures of [NAME REMOVED]'s girlfriend were not asked for, they were volunteered.
[NAME REMOVED] was asked to sing on TS for Erotica's CSM announcement for ISK. Eventually it was turned into a duet with [NAME REMOVED] and his girlfriend. The two of them were having fun with it, and the ISK was paid out in the end as promised. After the singing was over, Erotica asked for a picture of them with a sign that said "Erotica 1 for CSM", as he was doing with lots of people at the time. He asked for a plain picture, with a sign that said "Erotica 1 for CSM". That's it.
Later on in the night, the pictures you saw were given in addition to the picture that was asked for, without anyone on TS even aware that they were coming. [NAME REMOVED] and his girlfriend decided on their own to make those pictures.
You can't possibly hold those pictures against Erotica 1. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:13:00 -
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Daeusvar wrote:Throwing my support behind the 'Ban Erotica 1' bandwagon.
CCP I strongly hope you listen to your community on this one. Yes CCP, please start banning players based on popular vote. That couldn't possibly end badly. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
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Brusanan
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:26:00 -
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Asuka Langley S wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:It's not ad hominem if it's demonstrable. And it's not ad hominem if your arguments have been addressed. Which I've done. It is ad hominem. You apparently don't know the definition of the term. Just like how you didn't know the definitions of the terms "sadism" and "masochism" earlier. ad ho-+mi-+nem [ad hom-uh-nuhm -nem, ahdGÇÉ] Show IPA adjective 1. appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one's intellect or reason. 2. attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument. I'm still waiting for a reply to my original relpy to your argument. :3 Keep waiting. He isn't concerned about actually being right. He is just going to keep asserting the same thing over and over again regardless of any rebuttals.
He's most likely a troll anyway. Nobody could seriously think being asked to sing a song on TeamSpeak is torture. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:45:00 -
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Asuka Langley S wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:The scam part is fine, this is the part that isn't acceptable for me, and why I consider the bahaviour of Ero and his buddies to be beyond the pale.
"...Early in the proceedings, the victim admits to having a minor speech impediment that quickly becomes apparent. One of the instigators pounces on this and suggests that any word the victim cannot pronounce properly, he be made to look up the definition for and read that definition as well..."
The above quote is taken from Jester's blog on the subject. I implore you tro actually listen to the recording as Jester has been proven to be heavily biased and lie. This x1000.
Jester blatantly lied about the nature of the bonus room. Put down your pitchforks and go listen to the recording. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
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Posted - 2014.03.27 17:45:00 -
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Effect One wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Effect One wrote:This player could have walked away at any given moment. He chose not to. The end.
Would you go away so easily, when a douche takes all your money and items you have worked for? Your post serves only to prove my reasoning. Whether I would go away so easily when someone takes something that I consider to belong to me is irrelevant; the fact of the matter is that I have the choice to do so and, if I choose not to do so, I remain on the plateau of potential humiliation by my own decision. The fact remains that items within Eve Online do not belong to you and, aside from the investment of time (if you wish to look at it as an 'investment'), have no real world value unless you partake in real money trading (which I wouldn't recommend). You are confusing the morality of the real world and associated laws of property with the rules of a video game. The former may impact on the latter in your head, but there is no legal (in terms of the law of property) or civil (in terms of the contract you enter into with CCP) basis for it. You do not own anything associated with your account other than the diminishing non-transferable license to play the game you acquired by way of your subscription fees. This.
The fact that he left multiple times and then came back makes it pretty clear that he made a conscious decision to continue with the bonus round. Multiple times he stopped and decided that the bonus round wasn't so "humiliating" that it was no longer worth the measly 1 billion ISK he was competing for.
This thread is just full of people intentionally blowing this way out of proportion because they just want to see Erotica banned, and they know if they don't exaggerate his crimes and blatantly make up new ones there is just no reason for CCP to ban him. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.27 17:51:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:Soldarius wrote:http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/03/25/heres-some-of-the-cyberbullying-that-happens-in-eve-online/
It's happening. "and this is why I don't play Eve anymore."
"EVE is like a Shamwow for assholes."
"Number one reason why I will never ever play EVE."
"Always liked the idea of this game but I feel the community would be too much hassle."
"With such winning personalities like this, it's not a wonder why CCP are trying to make entirely different games."
"Eve, a great place for jerks to congregate and pretend they're good at something, when in reality the only thing they're good it is being douche bags"
"Eve is full of psychopaths and sociopaths. This isn't surprising. "
"Do something about it? CCP encourages this sort of behavior. They think it's funny."Yeah, way to make us all look bad E1. GTFO. Yeah, it's totally new that there are some people who don't appreciate the nature of Eve. This is literally the first time ever anyone has gotten upset about the things that happen in Eve and have quit/refused to play it as a result.
Also, it wasn't Erotica who made Eve look bad. Those people aren't reacting to the bonus round, they are reacting to the blatant lies in Ripard's blog post, where he paints a false picture of what happens in the bonus rounds. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:04:00 -
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For anyone who thinks the US government should be running bonus rounds in Guantanamo Bay, Erotica 1 himself will be finishing up his own bonus round tonight at 9:30 PM EST. It will be live streamed. He will read The Code. He will sing. We will take his stuff and then pod him repeatedly.
It will be horrible. I don't think Erotica will be able to live with himself afterwards, but I'm a psychopath so who cares? Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:50:00 -
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300 pages.
Erotica 1 officially wins Eve. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.28 02:07:00 -
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http://www.twitch.tv/kristallnachte/
Erotica is continuing with his bonus round. Join us on Twitch! Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.28 02:18:00 -
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If anyone wants to help pod Erotica 1, get to Jita. We will be advertising the podding fleet in Jita local. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Brusanan
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Posted - 2014.03.28 05:44:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: Sorry but the issue is not done and dusted.
What was done was against the rules (harassment), damaged CCP's reputation (only have to check the MMO boards to see the response), and if nothing is done to prevent this sort of thing occurring then it will happen again and potentially someone could be harmed, either one of the perpetrators in RL or the victim through self harm.
More disturbingly one of the perpetrators stated in this thread that they're actively competing against other people also doing the same thing and so they're being forced to 'outdo' each other which means the abuse will take the slippery slope of stupidity and potentially become much more serious with more serious consequences.
If CCP does not act on their duty of care towards their playerbase now they are aware of the problem then they could be liable for a portion of any damages if someone did sue. CCP gains nothing but negative publicity and the potential to be sued if they don't act.
They cannot now claim they were not knowledgeable about the activity as a defense.
What ruined CCP's reputation (if at all) was the Jester Trek article being picked up and spread around the MMO community. An article that tonight we found was entirely baseless in its positions. Sohkar has gone on the record saying as much. He has also stated that he doesn't appreciate the article Ripard wrote, nor does he appreciate this 300 page thread about it. Sohkar mentioned that he got over the loss of his assets already, he got back on his feet made some ISK and was happy and content playing with his corpmates and doing whatever it is he does within this game, and this all changed once Ripard took it upon himself, without Sohkars permission, to make a big old article about how awful Sohkars experience was, an article that went softly viral through the MMO community. Erotica 1 and scamming didn't tarnish CCP's reputation, Ripard Tegs completely off base article did that. An article he had absolutely no business writing at all. Reporting something factual doesn't harm CCP's reputation. The act that was reported did. Except that Ripard Teg blatantly lied to make the bonus round sound much worse than it actually is. This is something that has been stated over and over again and can be confirmed simply by listening to the recording. This has also been confirmed by Sohkar himself on TS tonight.
This is nothing more than overblown rabble rousing by one person with a grudge and his fanboys. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
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