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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1009
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Posted - 2014.01.30 02:36:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Sigs will support at most 100 people per region and they would be stepping on each others toes.
So, lets work out a way to increase the supported number of people that won't allow the current number of people to quadruple their income just by cherry picking and keep everyone else out still. Multiple objective sigs might be a great start, where once you complete one objective the other objectives will despawn soon so you benefit from several people in the same sig? Also giving more resistance to small roaming gangs since you are no longer solo also. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4829
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Posted - 2014.01.30 02:38:00 -
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Diamond Zerg wrote:My prediction: Suddenly EVE becomes much more fun, and a better game in general.
There is no need for prediction. Hisec came into existence because not having it was killing the game: both in terms of the endless kerb-stomping "killing" the enjoyment of the game, and the number of pilots unsubscribing because they were being endlessly kerb-stomped.
So my prediction of what would happen if hi sec was "finally" nerfed, is that the population of the game would drop by about 90%* and those remaining would have no fun once they ran out of ships because none of the people routinely stocking Jita are left.
Now take a look at how quickly new features are developed. Go through the last four expansions and remove 90% of the stuff done in those expansions. New ships? Gone. Ship rebalancing? Gone. V3 remodelling? About half of what we have now. Bug fixes? Most of those if you're lucky. Response time for support tickets? Lengthened by an order of magnitude. With 90% fewer staff, you don't get 10% of the work done, you get closer to 3%, 5% if some of those left are absolute heroes, all operating at CCP karkur levels of efficiency. Fixes and adjustments that used to get swept up in "somebody's" spare time end up getting swept up in "nobody's" spare time. No longer can you involve two other developers in a discussion about a key point, because there aren't two other developers. With fewer discussions possible, bad ideas or poor designs don't get weeded out as quickly, better ideas don't come to fruition, and due to the lack of spirited competition in groups of people doing the same type of work, the work that does get done will be of lower quality.
That is what would happen if hi sec was "finally" nerfed.
*90% being the 50% of the players who only live in hi sec, along with 40% representing all the hi sec income-earning alts of low- and null-sec players who no longer have a need for a auto piloting freighter carrying junk to/from Jita to make an extra billion ISK a week.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9974
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Posted - 2014.01.30 02:39:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: Hardly the games fault you don't fight for your regions, but instead share and rent them out. EvE is a game about taking, not sharing. You're looking for Hello Kitty Online.
There are not enough sigs for the null sec population. We could literally take all of sov space, force everyone else out and we would still not have enough sigs to support the CFC numbers. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
2348
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Posted - 2014.01.30 02:40:00 -
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look seriously if sigs even needed balancing (they're supposed to be rare and the only thing nullsec sigs need is introduction of newbie sigs like ccp added to lowsec) the balancing wouldn't even need to nerf anything in highsec so sigs are not under discussion |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9974
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Posted - 2014.01.30 02:41:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Sigs will support at most 100 people per region and they would be stepping on each others toes.
So, lets work out a way to increase the supported number of people that won't allow the current number of people to quadruple their income just by cherry picking and keep everyone else out still. Multiple objective sigs might be a great start, where once you complete one objective the other objectives will despawn soon so you benefit from several people in the same sig? Also giving more resistance to small roaming gangs since you are no longer solo also.
Or we can just nerf mission blitzing which would most likely make anoms worth running. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4504
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Posted - 2014.01.30 02:45:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:fishblades wrote:Otuk Andven wrote:Actually I've just hit a stroke of luck
Killed a rare 9m rat and got 50m worth of loot
So perhaps ratting from belts isn't going to be so hard, going for the anomalies might had been too quick Sheesh you have a long way to go. What kind of T3 do you have? The best way I've found for myself to make money in 0.0 is to run combat signatures. If I am able to find enough sites to run in goonspace then you should be able to. When I resubbed I had 400mil which i turned into 22bil in like 2 months just running about 7-10 sites a week. For example a pith penal complex takes about 20-30 minutes to run, or less if you dual box it, and even if the overseer just drops effects thats still 80mil for 30 minutes worth of time. Run 7 of those in a week and you made half a bil. Some days you can scan for a couple hours and not find anything but on those days I just log and try again tomorrow. Even with just effects you are making decent money but huge payoffs are always possible depending on the plex. Pith Penals can drop upwards of 500-600mil and the best plex in Deklein, the guristas troop staging point drops the medium shield booster thats worth like 700mil by itself. So figure 7-10 plex in a week with the low end of maybe 2 paying off big and the isk builds up really fast. I do have one advantage being in Goonswarm. Our Eve Wiki lists all the plex so you can read about what you are warping into before you commit a ship to something. I'm sure you can find public resources though, they just wont be as good. I'm still working up the nerve to try and run The Maze in dual tengus, but that site scares me, it has the possibility of dropping over a bil though. In the 4 months since I returned I bought 2 faction fit tengus worth around 1.6 bil each, a Revelation, 10 timecards, I gave away around 4bil isk for Christmas and I still have 10bil in my wallet. Also I don't recommend buying your stuff in 0.0. Buy all your stuff in jita and hopefully someone in your corp runs a freighter service or find someone with a carrier who can jump your stuff back. Train into a carrier if you haven't, it will make your life so much easier. Source
And what is this supposed to mean?
The poster said he made 22 bil in null sec in 2 months. That's great. You know where else you can make 22 bil in 2 months?
High Sec. Without having to watch local. Protected by CONCORD. 22 bil in 2 months in 366 mil a day, thats nothing in incursions, sisters mission, thukker missions , cosmos farming, and smart blitzing.
That same 366 mil a day is less than ONE HOUR of faction arfare lvl 4 farming. You'd know that if you had a single clue about the issue you keep choosing to talk about without any knowledge.
Under and rational and healthy risk reward scheme, SOV null would be the 2nd fastest place to make that 22 bil in 2 months (after high end wormholes). It's not.
And that's the probelm you people are in so much denial about despite the fact that it's easily verifiable with even just a small amount of personal effort.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1539
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Posted - 2014.01.30 02:58:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:fishblades wrote:Otuk Andven wrote:Actually I've just hit a stroke of luck
Killed a rare 9m rat and got 50m worth of loot
So perhaps ratting from belts isn't going to be so hard, going for the anomalies might had been too quick Sheesh you have a long way to go. What kind of T3 do you have? The best way I've found for myself to make money in 0.0 is to run combat signatures. If I am able to find enough sites to run in goonspace then you should be able to. When I resubbed I had 400mil which i turned into 22bil in like 2 months just running about 7-10 sites a week. For example a pith penal complex takes about 20-30 minutes to run, or less if you dual box it, and even if the overseer just drops effects thats still 80mil for 30 minutes worth of time. Run 7 of those in a week and you made half a bil. Some days you can scan for a couple hours and not find anything but on those days I just log and try again tomorrow. Even with just effects you are making decent money but huge payoffs are always possible depending on the plex. Pith Penals can drop upwards of 500-600mil and the best plex in Deklein, the guristas troop staging point drops the medium shield booster thats worth like 700mil by itself. So figure 7-10 plex in a week with the low end of maybe 2 paying off big and the isk builds up really fast. I do have one advantage being in Goonswarm. Our Eve Wiki lists all the plex so you can read about what you are warping into before you commit a ship to something. I'm sure you can find public resources though, they just wont be as good. I'm still working up the nerve to try and run The Maze in dual tengus, but that site scares me, it has the possibility of dropping over a bil though. In the 4 months since I returned I bought 2 faction fit tengus worth around 1.6 bil each, a Revelation, 10 timecards, I gave away around 4bil isk for Christmas and I still have 10bil in my wallet. Also I don't recommend buying your stuff in 0.0. Buy all your stuff in jita and hopefully someone in your corp runs a freighter service or find someone with a carrier who can jump your stuff back. Train into a carrier if you haven't, it will make your life so much easier. Source And what is this supposed to mean? The poster said he made 22 bil in null sec in 2 months. That's great. You know where else you can make 22 bil in 2 months? High Sec. Without having to watch local. Protected by CONCORD. 22 bil in 2 months in 366 mil a day, thats nothing in incursions, sisters mission, thukker missions , cosmos farming, and smart blitzing. That same 366 mil a day is less than ONE HOUR of faction arfare lvl 4 farming. You'd know that if you had a single clue about the issue you keep choosing to talk about without any knowledge. Under and rational and healthy risk reward scheme, SOV null would be the 2nd fastest place to make that 22 bil in 2 months (after high end wormholes). It's not. And that's the probelm you people are in so much denial about despite the fact that it's easily verifiable with even just a small amount of personal effort. You cannot make 22 billion in high sec in two months reliably. You maybe could scamming or something but even incursions will not give you that much unless you're poopsocking.
In null you can make that reliably playing a few hours a day. If you're clearing null belts as well you could make up to 10's of billions or more just on the one rare officer. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9974
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Posted - 2014.01.30 03:12:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: You cannot make 22 billion in high sec in two months reliably. You maybe could scamming or something but even incursions will not give you that much unless you're poopsocking.
In null you can make that reliably playing a few hours a day. If you're clearing null belts as well you could make up to 10's of billions or more just on the one rare officer.
I have had 2 officer spawns in 8 years.
Belt ratting is one of the worst activities you can do for making isk. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1009
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Posted - 2014.01.30 03:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
I have had 2 officer spawns in 8 years.
Belt ratting is one of the worst activities you can do for making isk.
You are either unlucky, have terrible methodology or hardly ever actually belt rat. Because that is way below the average null friends get.
Saying that. Ziona, you are delusional, you can do 22 Billion in 2 months in high sec quite easily. If you are prepared to play about 4 hours a day and play the LP market, SoE missions will do that. Incursions is hit & miss, but somewhere from 3-6 hours a day depending how long it takes you to get in fleet (Which knocks your effective isk/hr down hard sometimes) & how many times there are no usable incursions.
This is why isk/hr discussions are pointless because we don't have good average figures from CCP on per hour income in any space. We only have gross figures which like your 22 Billion in 2 months, give us no idea exactly how many hours they played for that income. All it does tell us is that you can make money in Null. Which.... We already knew from CCP's gross figures. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1511
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Posted - 2014.01.30 03:18:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: You cannot make 22 billion in high sec in two months reliably. You maybe could scamming or something but even incursions will not give you that much unless you're poopsocking.
In null you can make that reliably playing a few hours a day. If you're clearing null belts as well you could make up to 10's of billions or more just on the one rare officer.
Surely you have some facts and data to back that up. Perhaps it was the one I gave you earlier in the thread. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
725
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Posted - 2014.01.30 03:19:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:The poster said he made 22 bil in null sec in 2 months. That's great. You know where else you can make 22 bil in 2 months?
High Sec. Without having to watch local. Protected by CONCORD. 22 bil in 2 months in 366 mil a day, thats nothing in incursions, sisters mission, thukker missions , cosmos farming, and smart blitzing.
One account? Seriously, where are you pulling these numbers out of? I'm sorry, but this is a blatant exaggeration, if not an outright lie.
Can anyone (besides Team Jenn) confirm that this figure is even possible running PVE content in hi sec with just one account? |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4504
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Posted - 2014.01.30 03:25:00 -
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Quote: You cannot make 22 billion in high sec in two months reliably. You maybe could scamming or something but even incursions will not give you that much unless you're poopsocking.
In null you can make that reliably playing a few hours a day. If you're clearing null belts as well you could make up to 10's of billions or more just on the one rare officer.
This is either a lie or irgnorance. You are willing to go to null to test, why not come to Osmon or Lanngisi and witness what you can do in 2 months. CCP screwed up greatly when they introduced wormholes withiout modifiying the SOE Lp store.
Open your market tab and look at the histories of sisters probes, probe launchers, and Virtue implants. The SOE ships made these things more valuable. You can do the same thing with Trust Partners (Freighter pilots LOVE Nomad implants, the new warp speed implant set didn't change that). Hell, yo don't need pirate LP stores, Fed navy Stasis Webs and RF 100mn afterburners will get you very close to there too.
Or do you think I've just imagined the last 6 years of running missions and learing what's blitzable and what LP items sell the best (omg miners/builders and industrial implants....).
You can check this stuff out for yourself dude.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9974
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Posted - 2014.01.30 03:25:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:baltec1 wrote:
I have had 2 officer spawns in 8 years.
Belt ratting is one of the worst activities you can do for making isk.
You are either unlucky, have terrible methodology or hardly ever actually belt rat. Because that is way below the average null friends get.
Your friends tell fibs. Officer drops are insanely rare, which is why the mods sell for the same price as some supercaps. I would also like to point out that officer spawns will just drop tags and ammo or some officer mod that is useless. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4504
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Posted - 2014.01.30 03:29:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The poster said he made 22 bil in null sec in 2 months. That's great. You know where else you can make 22 bil in 2 months?
High Sec. Without having to watch local. Protected by CONCORD. 22 bil in 2 months in 366 mil a day, thats nothing in incursions, sisters mission, thukker missions , cosmos farming, and smart blitzing. One account? Seriously, where are you pulling these numbers out of? I'm sorry, but this is a blatant exaggeration, if not an outright lie. Can anyone (besides Team Jenn) confirm that this figure is even possible running PVE content in hi sec with just one account?
You think a Vargur blitzing can't make 366 mil in one play session of a few hours? You haven't been keeping up on things then mate.
Go To Lanngisi, run sister's missions, don't even sell the ships (sell the long standing items like probes or probe launchers).
Despite the fact that SOE has become THE most popular agents for mission runners now, the prices of virtue implants, probes and probe launchers have RISEN. Look at the stuff in the Trust Partner LP store too.
That's what is so frustrating about these 'discussions". I'm not working fracking magic here, I'm playing a video game and everything I do is repeatable by you people with little effort. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2227
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Posted - 2014.01.30 03:42:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The poster said he made 22 bil in null sec in 2 months. That's great. You know where else you can make 22 bil in 2 months?
High Sec. Without having to watch local. Protected by CONCORD. 22 bil in 2 months in 366 mil a day, thats nothing in incursions, sisters mission, thukker missions , cosmos farming, and smart blitzing. One account? Seriously, where are you pulling these numbers out of? I'm sorry, but this is a blatant exaggeration, if not an outright lie. Can anyone (besides Team Jenn) confirm that this figure is even possible running PVE content in hi sec with just one account?
Heck, even with all of your bullshitly lowball numbers, you can do that after dinner. Faster even if you double up on your playtime on weekends.
Nobody's saying you wouldn't get burned out on Incursions after all that, but it's certainly doable. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1009
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Posted - 2014.01.30 03:57:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Your friends tell fibs. Officer drops are insanely rare, which is why the mods sell for the same price as some supercaps. I would also like to point out that some officer spawns will just drop tags and ammo or some officer mod that is useless.
Or possibly, my friends just don't have as terrible experiences as you seem to always have when it comes to making isk in null. You seem to have some kind of victim complex going on here. Where anyone who has ever had a better experience in null, or a worse experience in high is lying. And you wonder why no-one other than your fellow goons trying to bury all the real discussion & maths in this thread takes you seriously when you continuously call everyone else a liar. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1539
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Posted - 2014.01.30 04:42:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The poster said he made 22 bil in null sec in 2 months. That's great. You know where else you can make 22 bil in 2 months?
High Sec. Without having to watch local. Protected by CONCORD. 22 bil in 2 months in 366 mil a day, thats nothing in incursions, sisters mission, thukker missions , cosmos farming, and smart blitzing. One account? Seriously, where are you pulling these numbers out of? I'm sorry, but this is a blatant exaggeration, if not an outright lie. Can anyone (besides Team Jenn) confirm that this figure is even possible running PVE content in hi sec with just one account? You think a Vargur blitzing can't make 366 mil in one play session of a few hours? You haven't been keeping up on things then mate. Go To Lanngisi, run sister's missions, don't even sell the ships (sell the long standing items like probes or probe launchers). Despite the fact that SOE has become THE most popular agents for mission runners now, the prices of virtue implants, probes and probe launchers have RISEN. Look at the stuff in the Trust Partner LP store too. That's what is so frustrating about these 'discussions". I'm not working fracking magic here, I'm playing a video game and everything I do is repeatable by you people with little effort. What is missing is you need multiple alts at multiple accounts at multiple mission hubs to game the game for this to happen. you likely need multiple mission ships so cut down on travel. Then there is exaggeraton. In null all you need is one scout if in hostile territory and a sig combat runner. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1009
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Posted - 2014.01.30 04:54:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: What is missing is you need multiple alts at multiple accounts at multiple mission hubs to game the game for this to happen. you likely need multiple mission ships so cut down on travel. Then there is exaggeraton. In null all you need is one scout if in hostile territory and a sig combat runner. on ot two sigs, roughly one or two hours, easily 500 to 2 billion per day
Actually at current SOE LP prices, it's fair to call it 100/hr reliable. If everyone in EVE did this, it would drop pretty fast though, but for some reason people aren't swapping to SOE at all really. This is a fairly recent abheration though. While SOE has traditionally been a higher LP it's never been that good till the Stratios.
But yea, no need for multiple accounts or multiple mission ships. 1 Good mission ship out of a SOE lvl 4 agent and you are in a decent place. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1511
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Posted - 2014.01.30 04:58:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Your friends tell fibs. Officer drops are insanely rare, which is why the mods sell for the same price as some supercaps. I would also like to point out that some officer spawns will just drop tags and ammo or some officer mod that is useless.
Or possibly, my friends just don't have as terrible experiences as you seem to always have when it comes to making isk in null. You seem to have some kind of victim complex going on here. Where anyone who has ever had a better experience in null, or a worse experience in high is lying. And you wonder why no-one other than your fellow goons trying to bury all the real discussion & maths in this thread takes you seriously when you continuously call everyone else a liar.
Not really we just get incredibly tired of dealing with people like you whom will take an anecdote as something that occurs all of the time but, when confronted with reality, denies it. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1009
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Posted - 2014.01.30 05:04:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:
Not really we just get incredibly tired of dealing with people like you whom will take an anecdote as something that occurs all of the time but, when confronted with reality, denies it.
So anything my friends do is only an anecdote.... But anything Baltec experiences is automatically the true reality.... Well done making my actual point. You don't have hard statistics, you only have your own personal anecdotes about null income.
Which doesn't match up with the Gross statistics at all. So obviously something very different from what you claim is actually going on. |
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1511
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Posted - 2014.01.30 05:10:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote: So anything my friends do is only an anecdote.... But anything Baltec experiences is automatically the true reality.... Well done making my actual point. You don't have hard statistics, you only have your own personal anecdotes about null income.
Which doesn't match up with the Gross statistics at all. So obviously something very different from what you claim is actually going on.
Yep anything your friends say is an anecdote, the fact that you understand that surprises me considering the highsec posters I usually deal with. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4505
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Posted - 2014.01.30 05:11:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: What is missing is you need multiple alts at multiple accounts at multiple mission hubs to game the game for this to happen. you likely need multiple mission ships so cut down on travel. Then there is exaggeraton. In null all you need is one scout if in hostile territory and a sig combat runner. on ot two sigs, roughly one or two hours, easily 500 to 2 billion per day
Again with the ignorance.
One ship. Pick one of the marauders (Paladin in Apanake due to all the Blood/Sansha Missions you get, Golem or Varg in Lanngisi because of Angels etc) or a Mach or Nightmare. Hell you don't even have to go pirate/marauder, CNR and Fleet Phoon are more than capable. Tech1 BSs like the typhoon and raven properly fit is get you close to what the above ships can do
ONE ship (unlike the minimu 2 accounts you need to do what you did in your null guide....). Use http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=HomePage if you're not intimately familiar with missions. Blitz for LP (no amount of salvage makes up for losing time).
If in Osmon, just dock up and sell lp items to buy orders since you're in the same region as Jita. In Lanngisi take the time to go the 8 jumps to Rens because you get better prices than the much closer Hek. on and on.
In null sec you are a slave to a random num,ber generator and the activity of others. If you aren't stupid fit in high sec, very few will ever screw with you.
And again, this is with one account (Lanngisi and Apanake are 0.5 systems, missions like Blockade pay almost 10k lp, not that I screw with blockade much as it's a bit long), NO scanning, no random number generator dropping nothing but an OPE on you, protected by CONCORD.
And that's just the Sister's missions, I haven't touched on other corps and some insane LP to isk converstion rates. If you think any of this was new your wrong, it was worse in the past before a few overdue nerfs....
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4505
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Posted - 2014.01.30 05:19:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:[ So anything my friends do is only an anecdote.... But anything Baltec experiences is automatically the true reality....
Went ahead and highlighted the ridicules parts lol. Yes something a person tests for themselves is automatically more reliable that some second hand BS from some "friends" lol.
Quote: Well done making my actual point. You don't have hard statistics, you only have your own personal anecdotes about null income.
Personal experience (in null, and high and low and wormholes) against your experience doing what exactly?
Quote: Which doesn't match up with the Gross statistics at all. So obviously something very different from what you claim is actually going on.
You mean your "anaylsis" that makes so many assumptions as to be useless?
Why don't you test these things for yourself instead of crapping up a discussion with useless vapor? There is no physical bar to you going to null sec yourself, or running high sec incursions and missions. What you're doing here is so much incredible denial that it makes Fox News look like some dudes who believe in climate change lol.
Test of for yourself, then you'll understand why what you beleive is incorrect. That is if you are honest enough to do so (notice the lengths Infinity Ziona will go to to deny what even you know is true... Thats how you're looking to me right now lol). |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1009
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Posted - 2014.01.30 05:19:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:
Yep anything your friends say is an anecdote, the fact that you understand that surprises me considering the highsec posters I usually deal with.
And it's exactly the same with your numbers. The only numbers we have than aren't anecdotes are CCP's gross income figures that you were so fast to dismiss as irrelevant because they don't match your beliefs
As for you Jenn, Not being a Goon/PL/N3 member, I don't have a massive blue area with a huge intel network to actually make full use of the space my alliance/coalition controls, so any tests I do in Null are naturally going to have worse results than the actual owners in Null, it's called a blatant experimental bias. And even if I did test it, unless the tests matched up with your claims you would simply dismiss them as abnormal, exceptionally lucky, unsustainable, just like you all have over the years every time this discussion comes up and anyone says anything about null having enough income.
The Gross figures come direct from CCP, and tell a different story to the sob story about Null you are trying to push. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4505
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Posted - 2014.01.30 05:21:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:La Nariz wrote:
Yep anything your friends say is an anecdote, the fact that you understand that surprises me considering the highsec posters I usually deal with.
And it's exactly the same with your numbers. The only numbers we have than aren't anecdotes are CCP's gross income figures that you were so fast to dismiss as irrelevant because they don't match your beliefs
Incomplete numbers you are misunderstanding. Test it for yourself. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1454
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Posted - 2014.01.30 05:25:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
Despite the fact that SOE has become THE most popular agents for mission runners now, the prices of virtue implants, probes and probe launchers have RISEN. Look at the stuff in the Trust Partner LP store too.
That's what is so frustrating about these 'discussions". I'm not working fracking magic here, I'm playing a video game and everything I do is repeatable by you people with little effort.
What is missing is you need multiple alts at multiple accounts at multiple mission hubs to game the game for this to happen. you likely need multiple mission ships so cut down on travel. Then there is exaggeraton. In null all you need is one scout if in hostile territory and a sig combat runner. on ot two sigs, roughly one or two hours, easily 500 to 2 billion per day
Oh come on IZ. You yourself said you run lots of accounts. 500m-2bn is either a long play session, or a crapton of luck with both sigs and drops. You really do not need multiple accounts to blitz missions. At most you need a second alt to pull more missions, which requires a handful of sp in social skills and at most maybe 10-15 missions with shared standings to achieve. And of course, you can run vanguards and make that much in 4 hours on a single account, completely repeatable ad nauseum. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
ashley Eoner
248
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Posted - 2014.01.30 05:32:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The poster said he made 22 bil in null sec in 2 months. That's great. You know where else you can make 22 bil in 2 months?
High Sec. Without having to watch local. Protected by CONCORD. 22 bil in 2 months in 366 mil a day, thats nothing in incursions, sisters mission, thukker missions , cosmos farming, and smart blitzing. One account? Seriously, where are you pulling these numbers out of? I'm sorry, but this is a blatant exaggeration, if not an outright lie. Can anyone (besides Team Jenn) confirm that this figure is even possible running PVE content in hi sec with just one account? You can do it if you have one character that is well skilled and well funded at the start. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1539
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Posted - 2014.01.30 06:11:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
Despite the fact that SOE has become THE most popular agents for mission runners now, the prices of virtue implants, probes and probe launchers have RISEN. Look at the stuff in the Trust Partner LP store too.
That's what is so frustrating about these 'discussions". I'm not working fracking magic here, I'm playing a video game and everything I do is repeatable by you people with little effort.
What is missing is you need multiple alts at multiple accounts at multiple mission hubs to game the game for this to happen. you likely need multiple mission ships so cut down on travel. Then there is exaggeraton. In null all you need is one scout if in hostile territory and a sig combat runner. on ot two sigs, roughly one or two hours, easily 500 to 2 billion per day Oh come on IZ. You yourself said you run lots of accounts. 500m-2bn is either a long play session, or a crapton of luck with both sigs and drops. The only other person I've ever heard claim this kind of income was running dual sins, and even he only claimed 200-400m per hour. You really do not need multiple accounts to blitz missions. At most you need a second alt to pull more missions, which requires a handful of sp in social skills and at most maybe 10-15 missions with shared standings to achieve. And of course, you can run vanguards and make that much in 4 hours on a single account (the 366m per day number), completely repeatable ad nauseum. I run a Ishtar (infinity), a cheetah for scouting / probing and a have an alt in a Rohk for smartbombing xplorers in relic sites. I do run stealth bombers isboxed but they're not for exploration, mostly will have them sitting at a perch or 30km from a gate and launch bombs hoping someones stupid and decloaked before realising the bombs on on the way.
sometimes I'll sit them in a separate system to scout sigs but its not really necessary to do that since my cheetah can scan an entire constellation fairly quickly.
Remember the only reason I have those stealth bomber alts is because I plexed them with the isk I made running sigs with infinity alone. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3800
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Posted - 2014.01.30 06:30:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Batelle wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
Despite the fact that SOE has become THE most popular agents for mission runners now, the prices of virtue implants, probes and probe launchers have RISEN. Look at the stuff in the Trust Partner LP store too.
That's what is so frustrating about these 'discussions". I'm not working fracking magic here, I'm playing a video game and everything I do is repeatable by you people with little effort.
What is missing is you need multiple alts at multiple accounts at multiple mission hubs to game the game for this to happen. you likely need multiple mission ships so cut down on travel. Then there is exaggeraton. In null all you need is one scout if in hostile territory and a sig combat runner. on ot two sigs, roughly one or two hours, easily 500 to 2 billion per day Oh come on IZ. You yourself said you run lots of accounts. 500m-2bn is either a long play session, or a crapton of luck with both sigs and drops. The only other person I've ever heard claim this kind of income was running dual sins, and even he only claimed 200-400m per hour. You really do not need multiple accounts to blitz missions. At most you need a second alt to pull more missions, which requires a handful of sp in social skills and at most maybe 10-15 missions with shared standings to achieve. And of course, you can run vanguards and make that much in 4 hours on a single account (the 366m per day number), completely repeatable ad nauseum. I run a Ishtar (infinity), a cheetah for scouting / probing and a have an alt in a Rohk for smartbombing xplorers in relic sites. I do run stealth bombers isboxed but they're not for exploration, mostly will have them sitting at a perch or 30km from a gate and launch bombs hoping someones stupid and decloaked before realising the bombs on on the way. sometimes I'll sit them in a separate system to scout sigs but its not really necessary to do that since my cheetah can scan an entire constellation fairly quickly. Remember the only reason I have those stealth bomber alts is because I plexed them with the isk I made running sigs with infinity alone.
I don't actually have a response to whatever it was I just quoted that I didn't even bother to read.
I just wanted to say that I totally dig your new look.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1511
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Posted - 2014.01.30 07:23:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote: And it's exactly the same with your numbers. The only numbers we have than aren't anecdotes are CCP's gross income figures that you were so fast to dismiss as irrelevant because they don't match your beliefs
As for you Jenn, Not being a Goon/PL/N3 member, I don't have a massive blue area with a huge intel network to actually make full use of the space my alliance/coalition controls, so any tests I do in Null are naturally going to have worse results than the actual owners in Null, it's called a blatant experimental bias. And even if I did test it, unless the tests matched up with your claims you would simply dismiss them as abnormal, exceptionally lucky, unsustainable, just like you all have over the years every time this discussion comes up and anyone says anything about null having enough income.
The Gross figures come direct from CCP, and tell a different story to the sob story about Null you are trying to push.
You keep mentioning these things CCP has published that support you but, you don't justify any interpretation of it you plop down a figure and say "lol I'm right!" You reference something without linking it and assert it proves your point or deliberately interpret something as something it is not.
All you need is raw data and sound methods to convince us what you say is true. Its not that hard to do either, I know I've told Infinity Ziona how to do it before yet she continues to peddle crap. Are you going to be the one highsec pubbie that chooses not to peddle crap and actually gathers some data? This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
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