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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1574
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Posted - 2014.02.04 16:49:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:
Kimmi, I can totally get behind this idea. I like the concept.
I am also, done replying to the trolls in this thread who continue their little parade of name calling, trolling and other nonsense. I have this account for forum purposes. I primarily live in WH space these days and do not plan to give out any sort of intel. I could care less if you believe my experience or not La Nariz. Your constant attempts to label people and create artificial "US" and "THEM" scenarios offers no value to the community.
Wait, me asking for proof of all your ramblings is trolling? You never hesitate to furiously demand proof from me of literally everything so why doesn't the same standard apply to you? I guess having to support your arguments is griefing now.
E: To again avoid the derail, this highsec pubbie continually attempts to do.
All activity reward excluding market activity should be Nullsec/WH > lowsec > highsec. So how do we nerf highsec to get it back in line? This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4574
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Posted - 2014.02.04 16:49:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Notorious Fellon wrote:Talk about Risk vs. Reward without including *all* risks and *all* rewards is meaningless.
Add in PI to your calculations, say across a month of play in both null and hisec. Then let us compare.
The risk in null is balanced because of total income potential. Not just anoms. Lol, this is about as hard of a derail as I have yet seen. Individual person income totally includes moon goo, right?
Like I said before, it's like saying homeless folks aren't actually homeless because some dude in the same city make 10 mil a year and owns a mansion.
They (high sec) need to do that (derail), beause they know they lose on the merits. The rest of us understand perfectly that this part of the discussion is about combat pve as a means of individual income and the imbalances caused by CCPs piecemenal development practices (such as adding wormholes and changing exploration to be easier while not adjusting SOE LP to be more expensive, causing SOE exploration gear to be so valuable that the new ships just made them MORE valuable).
If we somehow magically have to include PI and moon goo to the null sec equation, then station trading (ie the single most profitable endeavor in all EVE Online and one that occurs overwhelmingly in high sec) must be added to the high sec side. You don't see them saying that because they are fundementally incapable of telling the truth about somethine as inconcequential as a video game's risk/reward balance. |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
964
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Posted - 2014.02.04 17:11:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Notorious Fellon wrote:Talk about Risk vs. Reward without including *all* risks and *all* rewards is meaningless.
Add in PI to your calculations, say across a month of play in both null and hisec. Then let us compare.
The risk in null is balanced because of total income potential. Not just anoms. Lol, this is about as hard of a derail as I have yet seen. Individual person income totally includes moon goo, right? Like I said before, it's like saying homeless folks aren't actually homeless because some dude in the same city make 10 mil a year and owns a mansion. They (high sec) need to do that (derail), beause they know they lose on the merits. The rest of us understand perfectly that this part of the discussion is about combat pve as a means of individual income and the imbalances caused by CCPs piecemenal development practices (such as adding wormholes and changing exploration to be easier while not adjusting SOE LP to be more expensive, causing SOE exploration gear to be so valuable that the new ships just made them MORE valuable). If we somehow magically have to include PI and moon goo to the null sec equation, then station trading (ie the single most profitable endeavor in all EVE Online and one that occurs overwhelmingly in high sec) must be added to the high sec side. You don't see them saying that because they are fundementally incapable of telling the truth about something as inconcequential as a video game's risk/reward balance.
Personally, I blame the warlord OP and the incendiary language that is used. The word "nerf" has a negative connotation and as such gets people fired up. No one likes being nerfed. Null didn't like it. You can't expect high to just say, "Of course! In fact what took so long?"
The ONLY reason highsec combat PVE is more profitable than nullsec is LP. That's it - there is nothing else. How do you nerf that? Across the board? For the big three corps only? OR can you drop LP in Null? Giving them a non-faucet buff back to close to pre-forsaken nerf levels? Obviously, this would be an indirect nerf to highsec but without the incendiary language.
That is my thinking. I just think it too difficult to balance out how to nerf LP in highsec and still maintain the balance of faucets and sinks. I also think that a currency that is so dependent on market conditions is extremely volatile. The LP itself has no intrinsic value, but the ridiculous price people pay for the items out of that store does drive that income stream that constitutes 69% of a high sec mission runners income.. "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2290
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Posted - 2014.02.04 17:16:00 -
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Quote:Personally, I blame the warlord OP and the incendiary language that is used. The word "nerf" has a negative connotation and as such gets people fired up. No one likes being nerfed. Null didn't like it. You can't expect high to just say, "Of course! In fact what took so long?"
Personally, I don't really care about the language being used.
My ideal solution to this would be just that, a nerf to highsec in general. I don't expect them to like it, but I do expect them to be adults about it. Which is definitely asking too much, I know.
Quote:The ONLY reason highsec combat PVE is more profitable than nullsec is LP. That's it - there is nothing else. How do you nerf that?
This is the big question.
If LP generation itself is nerfed, it will merely increase the value of the items involved, and thus the LP will retain a similar value as before.
You can't go after the rewards themselves easily, and the isk itself is a small percentage.
So you have to attack the activity itself. Pun intended. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1574
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Posted - 2014.02.04 17:19:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote: Personally, I blame the warlord OP and the incendiary language that is used. The word "nerf" has a negative connotation and as such gets people fired up. No one likes being nerfed. Null didn't like it. You can't expect high to just say, "Of course! In fact what took so long?"
The ONLY reason highsec combat PVE is more profitable than nullsec is LP. That's it - there is nothing else. How do you nerf that? Across the board? For the big three corps only? OR can you drop LP in Null? Giving them a non-faucet buff back to close to pre-forsaken nerf levels? Obviously, this would be an indirect nerf to highsec but without the incendiary language.
That is my thinking. I just think it too difficult to balance out how to nerf LP in highsec and still maintain the balance of faucets and sinks. I also think that a currency that is so dependent on market conditions is extremely volatile. The LP itself has no intrinsic value, but the ridiculous price people pay for the items out of that store does drive that income stream that constitutes 69% of a high sec mission runners income..
You're forgetting some important factors like safety, scalability, continuity, considerably less interruption potential and easier recovery. All of which are better in highsec. A good example of this is that gank that happened in the middle of the ESS test, we have intel channels but, they are fallible unlike CONCORD. That gang was not reported by the people in the other systems and it got me. Where as in highsec CONCORD would have killed them all before I died. Out of what looks to be 20+ tests you've been interrupted once where I have been interrupted several times and at great lengths of time.
It is not just LP that makes highsec mission running more profitable.
To add a suggestion, change the ESS to a CONCORD ESS and have it dispense LP we can convert to any faction. That way it adds greater market forces to mid-range combat PVE. This is in addition to doing away with blitzing and increasing NPC corp tax. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2200
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Posted - 2014.02.04 17:32:00 -
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You know, this thread gets more hysterical every day.
Let' assume for a second that the lies being told by the null sec propagandists are true, and high sec makes vastly more per hour that null sec, and null sec needs high sec alts to finance the multi-trillion ISK losses of 100 billion ISK ships in null sec systems over null sec stations.
Maybe CCP WANTS to force all these destitute null sec players worth hundreds of billions to KEEP their high sec alts. Otherwise, all those null sec players will just finance their trillion ISK battles with null sec chars, and CCP loses tens of thousands of subs.
Because, clearly, if someone new to Eve read this thread, they would quickly realize that every null sec player paid for their hundred billion ISK ship through high sec mission running, not by running anoms in null, and those high sec alts would be quickly unsubbed if poor poor null sec even gained parity with rich fat high sec, let alone was better.
Yeah null sec, keep spinning your lies. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1575
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Posted - 2014.02.04 17:33:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:You know, this thread gets more hysterical every day.
Let' assume for a second that the lies being told by the null sec propagandists are true, and high sec makes vastly more per hour that null sec, and null sec needs high sec alts to finance the multi-trillion ISK losses of 100 billion ISK ships in null sec systems over null sec stations.
Maybe CCP WANTS to force all these destitute null sec players worth hundreds of billions to KEEP their high sec alts. Otherwise, all those null sec players will just finance their trillion ISK battles with null sec chars, and CCP loses tens of thousands of subs.
Because, clearly, if someone new to Eve read this thread, they would quickly realize that every null sec player paid for their hundred billion ISK ship through high sec mission running, not by running anoms in null, and those high sec alts would be quickly unsubbed if poor poor null sec even gained parity with rich fat high sec, let alone was better.
Yeah null sec, keep spinning your lies.
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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
964
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Posted - 2014.02.04 17:34:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:To add a suggestion, change the ESS to a CONCORD ESS and have it dispense LP we can convert to any faction. That way it adds greater market forces to mid-range combat PVE. This is in addition to doing away with blitzing and increasing NPC corp tax.
+1. I can support this idea and Ich bin ein carebear.
I think more LP in NUll is good. I hate blitzing. If you are in an NPC corp, there needs to be a greater penalty for that. I've always said that any mission runner not in a tax haven is throwing money away.
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4576
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Posted - 2014.02.04 17:45:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:
Personally, I blame the warlord OP and the incendiary language that is used. The word "nerf" has a negative connotation and as such gets people fired up. No one likes being nerfed. Null didn't like it. You can't expect high to just say, "Of course! In fact what took so long?"
I don't expect any such thing, but it would be nice to meet ONE honest high sec player who could see past their own narrow interests for the 5 seconds needed to recognise that the imbalance (which all of them deny) exists and that it's existance hurts the game (not just "null sec").
To much to ask for I know, but still lol.
Quote: The ONLY reason highsec combat PVE is more profitable than nullsec is LP. That's it - there is nothing else. How do you nerf that? Across the board? For the big three corps only? OR can you drop LP in Null? Giving them a non-faucet buff back to close to pre-forsaken nerf levels? Obviously, this would be an indirect nerf to highsec but without the incendiary language.
I'm going to try to say (type?) this nicely because at least you seem like you want to know the truth. But the fact is you don't know enough about the subject matter to have an opinon, as i've explained to you before. Have you ever even done a single anomaly, DED plex, been in an incursion fleet or done a lvl 5 mission?
If you had you'd know that LP in and of itself is not the problem. Null sec missions give LP and no other single activity in EVE spews LP like lvl 5 missions, yet null missions are the provience of only a few and lvl 5s are mostly not done at all. High Sec incursions give most of the reward in raw isk like anomalies. The most profitable combat PVe (high end wormhole farming with fleets that inculde capital ships) has nothing to do with LP at all.
The real problem is the combination of:
-safety in high sec (CONCORD + crime watch) Which allows for the use of high end PVE fits for ships (even a cheap fit machariel in high sec lvl 4s is more profitable than almost any ship that would be doing low or null sec lvl 4s, for example).
-The ability to blitz missions (you can't "blitz" any other content except for a small selection of DED content like the 10/10 plex called "the Maze" and NPC's switching targets now pretty much ended that).
-CCp devlioping the game without a "wholistic" view or even understanding of PVE as income generation. I remain shocked at the revelation that the DEV who was leading the NPC AI change wasn't familiar with one of the most common null sec DED sites (that was admitted in the thread connected to the DEVBLOG announcing the NPC AI change). SOE having high sec agents was fine before wormholes and such, just like Thukker agents in high sec was ok before jump freighters. The Mining ship EHP buffs also made some industrial implants more valuable as some miners were no longer using hardwirings to toughen up their ships.
-CCP nerfing null sec . They started with the DED nerf (where msot of the Overseer Personal Effects rewards were deleted).
Then the upgrade system was a hugh buff but the made anomalies the centerpiece of the system which was a big bad mistake, the liquid isk from anoms ran the economy too hot leading to the 1st anom nerf, which lead to the EHP/isk "buff", which lead to 400 mil an hour titans and super carriers which contributed to the need to nerf both of those and eventually lead to the Forsaken Hub nerf which we thought was the final nail in the anomaly system till some genius thought up the ESS and it's accomanying 5% acros the board nerf lol).
Sorry if this is harsh but you just don't have enough experience. I advise listening rather than opining.
Quote: That is my thinking. I just think it too difficult to balance out how to nerf LP in highsec and still maintain the balance of faucets and sinks. I also think that a currency that is so dependent on market conditions is extremely volatile. The LP itself has no intrinsic value, but the ridiculous price people pay for the items out of that store does drive that income stream that constitutes 69% of a high sec mission runners income..
This is another thing we've been saying. It isn't about low skilled empire mission runners. The issue that I'm talking about only really expresses itsef ion the high end (which is why high sec isk alts exist). There is nothing wrong with the isk an average empire mission runner can or is making. The problem is people who actually know what they are doing, and for those people, it makes much more sense to be in high sec that to risk it outside of it (except for high end wormholes).
The fixes are to end incursion farming (ie, when the MOM pops up, all other sites despawn, the idea that people are prolonging something that should be ended as quickly as possibile is and has always been stupid and game breaking), end blitzing , increase the LP cost of virtue and nomand implants and SOE scanning gear, and change the way null anoms give rewards (from 100% isk to60% isk 40% 'convertable' LP like what incursioin runners have with CONCORD lp, that way anoms could be buffed without increasing the isk flood.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4576
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Posted - 2014.02.04 17:51:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:You know, this thread gets more hysterical every day.
Let' assume for a second that the lies being told by the null sec propagandists are true, and high sec makes vastly more per hour that null sec, and null sec needs high sec alts to finance the multi-trillion ISK losses of 100 billion ISK ships in null sec systems over null sec stations.
The king of lies tells lies lol.
I'm not suggesting that at all. I'm suggesting tha CCP's peicemeal approach to developing has created an imbalance that encourages null pve players (like me) to play in high sec rather than null.
Quote:
Maybe CCP WANTS to force all these destitute null sec players worth hundreds of billions to KEEP their high sec alts. Otherwise, all those null sec players will just finance their trillion ISK battles with null sec chars, and CCP loses tens of thousands of subs.
Because, clearly, if someone new to Eve read this thread, they would quickly realize that every null sec player paid for their hundred billion ISK ship through high sec mission running, not by running anoms in null, and those high sec alts would be quickly unsubbed if poor poor null sec even gained parity with rich fat high sec, let alone was better.
Yeah null sec, keep spinning your lies.
Then you complain about people calling you a wacked out tinfoil loving conspiracy theorist.
The porblem you have is prejudice. Prejudiced people always see the object of that prejuidice as "one whole thing" You can see it when Notorious Fellon talks about moon goo when we are talking about individual level income or when you talk about 100 bil isk ships which the vast majority of us don't have.
We are individual game players like you. Try thinking of us that way. |
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1576
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Posted - 2014.02.04 17:59:00 -
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At least we are still on the topic of how so I can appreciate that.
Whoever said attacking the reward won't fix anything and instead its the activity is right. The market determines the reward for LP and the market is working fine according to CCP so focusing on the activity.
Removing blitzing is a good start it'd force an even better comparison between anomalies and missions because it would force killing everything. I think the next part would be adding more low bounty high EHP NPCs to missions because it would further slow them down while preserving the isk and LP ratio. It leaves the sink and faucet untouched but decreases the total isk/hr because it takes more time to complete the mission. Lets ignore "how much to do these things," because that requires more data than we'll have access to. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
967
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Posted - 2014.02.04 18:12:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:I'm going to try to say (type?) this nicely because at least you seem like you want to know the truth. But the fact is you don't know enough about the subject matter to have an opinon
[quote=Jenn aSide]Sorry if this is harsh but you just don't have enough experience. I advise listening rather than opining.[quote]
I'm going to say this as nicely as I can. Since my opinion is of absolutely no value I'll once again step out of this discussion and the rest of you can impotently whine about whatever you want.
o/ "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1576
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Posted - 2014.02.04 18:13:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:
I'm going to say this as nicely as I can. Since my opinion is of absolutely no value I'll once again step out of this discussion and the rest of you can impotently whine about whatever you want.
o/
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HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
474
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Posted - 2014.02.04 18:38:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote: Any numbers or information beyond the fact of being irrelevant would mean even less should they be provided by you.
All the testing from both sides still wonGÇÖt change a thing.
All your crying on the forums wonGÇÖt change the fact CCP nerfed null-sec income.
Should CCP have the numbers they felt they needed to nerf hi-sec. Should they come out tomorrow and decide to nerf hi-sec guess what?..... still wonGÇÖt change a thing.
We will have to either accept it and continue to sub and play or not.
Again itGÇÖs just THAT simple.
Choose the part of the sandbox you want to play in or unsub and pick your crying towel up and go home.
So why is any information I provide meaningless? You're constantly telling me to unsub and stop posting, why is that? I provided all the tools you'd need to do exactly as I did and get numbers. The data does not lie and it shows highsec is making more than nullsec. E: To again avoid the derail, this highsec pubbie continually attempts to do. All activity reward excluding market activity should be Nullsec/WH > lowsec > highsec. So how do we nerf highsec to get it back in line? The information provided or gathered will always be flawed. Anyone with a basic high school education will be able to know, see or even predict this. This should be obvious even more so to someone like yourself with a self proclaimed scientific testing back ground.
You are missing several key elements to test with. The first being a controlled environment. This is a sandbox with many variables to effect testing.
You are also missing Establishment/Desirability of repeatability/Attribute Agreement Analysis for Defect Databases/Accuracy/Accuracy and Precision/Reproducibility to name a few.
The most important item you lack thatGÇÖs not even scientific in nature is CREDABILITY of which you are -10.
This is why you are wasting your time. Then again I guess rocket scientist have plenty of that.
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
474
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Posted - 2014.02.04 18:38:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote: Any numbers or information beyond the fact of being irrelevant would mean even less should they be provided by you.
All the testing from both sides still wonGÇÖt change a thing.
All your crying on the forums wonGÇÖt change the fact CCP nerfed null-sec income.
Should CCP have the numbers they felt they needed to nerf hi-sec. Should they come out tomorrow and decide to nerf hi-sec guess what?..... still wonGÇÖt change a thing.
We will have to either accept it and continue to sub and play or not.
Again itGÇÖs just THAT simple.
Choose the part of the sandbox you want to play in or unsub and pick your crying towel up and go home.
So why is any information I provide meaningless? You're constantly telling me to unsub and stop posting, why is that? I provided all the tools you'd need to do exactly as I did and get numbers. The data does not lie and it shows highsec is making more than nullsec. E: To again avoid the derail, this highsec pubbie continually attempts to do. All activity reward excluding market activity should be Nullsec/WH > lowsec > highsec. So how do we nerf highsec to get it back in line? The information provided or gathered will always be flawed. Anyone with a basic high school education will be able to know, see or even predict this. This should be obvious even more so to someone like yourself with a self proclaimed scientific testing back ground.
You are missing several key elements to test with. The first being a controlled environment. This is a sandbox with many variables to effect testing.
You are also missing Establishment/Desirability of repeatability/Attribute Agreement Analysis for Defect Databases/Accuracy/Accuracy and Precision/Reproducibility to name a few.
The most important item you lack thatGÇÖs not even scientific in nature is CREDABILITY of which you are -10.
This is why you are wasting your time. Then again I guess rocket scientist have plenty of that.
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Caldari Citizen 1897289768188
State War Academy Caldari State
474
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Posted - 2014.02.04 18:38:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote: Any numbers or information beyond the fact of being irrelevant would mean even less should they be provided by you.
All the testing from both sides still wonGÇÖt change a thing.
All your crying on the forums wonGÇÖt change the fact CCP nerfed null-sec income.
Should CCP have the numbers they felt they needed to nerf hi-sec. Should they come out tomorrow and decide to nerf hi-sec guess what?..... still wonGÇÖt change a thing.
We will have to either accept it and continue to sub and play or not.
Again itGÇÖs just THAT simple.
Choose the part of the sandbox you want to play in or unsub and pick your crying towel up and go home.
So why is any information I provide meaningless? You're constantly telling me to unsub and stop posting, why is that? I provided all the tools you'd need to do exactly as I did and get numbers. The data does not lie and it shows highsec is making more than nullsec. E: To again avoid the derail, this highsec pubbie continually attempts to do. All activity reward excluding market activity should be Nullsec/WH > lowsec > highsec. So how do we nerf highsec to get it back in line? The information provided or gathered will always be flawed. Anyone with a basic high school education will be able to know, see or even predict this. This should be obvious even more so to someone like yourself with a self proclaimed scientific testing back ground.
You are missing several key elements to test with. The first being a controlled environment. This is a sandbox with many variables to effect testing.
You are also missing Establishment/Desirability of repeatability/Attribute Agreement Analysis for Defect Databases/Accuracy/Accuracy and Precision/Reproducibility to name a few.
The most important item you lack thatGÇÖs not even scientific in nature is CREDABILITY of which you are -10.
This is why you are wasting your time. Then again I guess rocket scientist have plenty of that.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1576
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Posted - 2014.02.04 19:02:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:La Nariz wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote: Any numbers or information beyond the fact of being irrelevant would mean even less should they be provided by you.
All the testing from both sides still wonGÇÖt change a thing.
All your crying on the forums wonGÇÖt change the fact CCP nerfed null-sec income.
Should CCP have the numbers they felt they needed to nerf hi-sec. Should they come out tomorrow and decide to nerf hi-sec guess what?..... still wonGÇÖt change a thing.
We will have to either accept it and continue to sub and play or not.
Again itGÇÖs just THAT simple.
Choose the part of the sandbox you want to play in or unsub and pick your crying towel up and go home.
So why is any information I provide meaningless? You're constantly telling me to unsub and stop posting, why is that?I provided all the tools you'd need to do exactly as I did and get numbers. The data does not lie and it shows highsec is making more than nullsec.E: To again avoid the derail, this highsec pubbie continually attempts to do. All activity reward excluding market activity should be Nullsec/WH > lowsec > highsec. So how do we nerf highsec to get it back in line? The information provided or gathered will always be flawed. Anyone with a basic high school education will be able to know, see or even predict this. This should be obvious even more so to someone like yourself with a self proclaimed scientific testing back ground. You are missing several key elements to test with. The first being a controlled environment. This is a sandbox with many variables to effect testing. You are also missing Establishment/Desirability of repeatability/Attribute Agreement Analysis for Defect Databases/Accuracy/Accuracy and Precision/Reproducibility to name a few. The most important item you lack thatGÇÖs not even scientific in nature is CREDABILITY of which you are -10. This is why you are wasting your time. Then again I guess rocket scientist have plenty of that.
You didn't answer the question. So why is any information I provide meaningless? You're constantly telling me to unsub and stop posting, why is that?
How am I missing those things you claim I am missing?
Considering I can see who has and has not looked at the sheet I am going to predict you are prejudiced and full of "grr goons," to the point you cannot help but, contort with rage at the mere sight of a goon.
E: Oh yeah life scientist not rocket scientist.
E2: I'll even give you a hand at answering the questions all you need to do is copy these sentences then fill in the ~ with your own words.
All the information you provide is meaningless because ~. I am constantly telling you to unsub and stop posting because ~.
You are missing X because ~. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
218
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Posted - 2014.02.04 19:29:00 -
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Features & Ideas Discussion.... Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1576
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Posted - 2014.02.04 19:31:00 -
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Pok Nibin wrote:Features & Ideas Discussion....
Is where good ideas go to die. Go post that crap in the Hires texture pack thread and the WiS thread that are both in this forum. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4565
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Posted - 2014.02.04 19:34:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:You didn't answer the question. So why is any information I provide meaningless? You're constantly telling me to unsub and stop posting, why is that?
Because he knows he would be proven wrong & we can't have that now can we. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4570
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Posted - 2014.02.04 19:49:00 -
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Pok Nibin wrote:Features & Ideas Discussion....
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:27:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:La Nariz wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote: Any numbers or information beyond the fact of being irrelevant would mean even less should they be provided by you.
All the testing from both sides still wonGÇÖt change a thing.
All your crying on the forums wonGÇÖt change the fact CCP nerfed null-sec income.
Should CCP have the numbers they felt they needed to nerf hi-sec. Should they come out tomorrow and decide to nerf hi-sec guess what?..... still wonGÇÖt change a thing.
We will have to either accept it and continue to sub and play or not.
Again itGÇÖs just THAT simple.
Choose the part of the sandbox you want to play in or unsub and pick your crying towel up and go home.
So why is any information I provide meaningless? You're constantly telling me to unsub and stop posting, why is that?I provided all the tools you'd need to do exactly as I did and get numbers. The data does not lie and it shows highsec is making more than nullsec.E: To again avoid the derail, this highsec pubbie continually attempts to do. All activity reward excluding market activity should be Nullsec/WH > lowsec > highsec. So how do we nerf highsec to get it back in line? The information provided or gathered will always be flawed. Anyone with a basic high school education will be able to know, see or even predict this. This should be obvious even more so to someone like yourself with a self proclaimed scientific testing back ground. You are missing several key elements to test with. The first being a controlled environment. This is a sandbox with many variables to effect testing. You are also missing Establishment/Desirability of repeatability/Attribute Agreement Analysis for Defect Databases/Accuracy/Accuracy and Precision/Reproducibility to name a few. The most important item you lack thatGÇÖs not even scientific in nature is CREDABILITY of which you are -10. This is why you are wasting your time. Then again I guess rocket scientist have plenty of that. You didn't answer the question. So why is any information I provide meaningless? You're constantly telling me to unsub and stop posting, why is that?How am I missing those things you claim I am missing? Considering I can see who has and has not looked at the sheet I am going to predict you are prejudiced and full of "grr goons," to the point you cannot help but, contort with rage at the mere sight of a goon. E: Oh yeah life scientist not rocket scientist. E2: I'll even give you a hand at answering the questions all you need to do is copy these sentences then fill in the ~ with your own words. All the information you provide is meaningless because ~. I am constantly telling you to unsub and stop posting because ~. You are missing X because ~.
La Nariz
I provided very specific answers to your question as to why any data you collected would be erroneous. The first of which isnGÇÖt even a technical reason. First you have ZERO credibility stemming from your inability to conduct testing from a non biased view point.
Next would be for a more specific technical nature.
I listed several KEY areas you are missing.
The biggest is an inability to provide a controlled testing environment. (sandbox)
Next I listed more specific key features Establishment/Desirability of repeatability/Attribute Agreement Analysis for Defect Databases/Accuracy/Accuracy and Precision/Reproducibility. Just to name a few to include but not limited to the before mentioned parameters.
Please feel free to look these up or Google them as I feel certain you have no clue what they are.
I truly hope your lack of understanding why your information will be meaningless is a poor attempt at trolling.
Scientist my AZZ.
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Caldari Citizen 1897289768188
State War Academy Caldari State
474
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:27:00 -
[2393] - Quote
La Nariz wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:La Nariz wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote: Any numbers or information beyond the fact of being irrelevant would mean even less should they be provided by you.
All the testing from both sides still wonGÇÖt change a thing.
All your crying on the forums wonGÇÖt change the fact CCP nerfed null-sec income.
Should CCP have the numbers they felt they needed to nerf hi-sec. Should they come out tomorrow and decide to nerf hi-sec guess what?..... still wonGÇÖt change a thing.
We will have to either accept it and continue to sub and play or not.
Again itGÇÖs just THAT simple.
Choose the part of the sandbox you want to play in or unsub and pick your crying towel up and go home.
So why is any information I provide meaningless? You're constantly telling me to unsub and stop posting, why is that?I provided all the tools you'd need to do exactly as I did and get numbers. The data does not lie and it shows highsec is making more than nullsec.E: To again avoid the derail, this highsec pubbie continually attempts to do. All activity reward excluding market activity should be Nullsec/WH > lowsec > highsec. So how do we nerf highsec to get it back in line? The information provided or gathered will always be flawed. Anyone with a basic high school education will be able to know, see or even predict this. This should be obvious even more so to someone like yourself with a self proclaimed scientific testing back ground. You are missing several key elements to test with. The first being a controlled environment. This is a sandbox with many variables to effect testing. You are also missing Establishment/Desirability of repeatability/Attribute Agreement Analysis for Defect Databases/Accuracy/Accuracy and Precision/Reproducibility to name a few. The most important item you lack thatGÇÖs not even scientific in nature is CREDABILITY of which you are -10. This is why you are wasting your time. Then again I guess rocket scientist have plenty of that. You didn't answer the question. So why is any information I provide meaningless? You're constantly telling me to unsub and stop posting, why is that?How am I missing those things you claim I am missing? Considering I can see who has and has not looked at the sheet I am going to predict you are prejudiced and full of "grr goons," to the point you cannot help but, contort with rage at the mere sight of a goon. E: Oh yeah life scientist not rocket scientist. E2: I'll even give you a hand at answering the questions all you need to do is copy these sentences then fill in the ~ with your own words. All the information you provide is meaningless because ~. I am constantly telling you to unsub and stop posting because ~. You are missing X because ~.
La Nariz
I provided very specific answers to your question as to why any data you collected would be erroneous. The first of which isnGÇÖt even a technical reason. First you have ZERO credibility stemming from your inability to conduct testing from a non biased view point.
Next would be for a more specific technical nature.
I listed several KEY areas you are missing.
The biggest is an inability to provide a controlled testing environment. (sandbox)
Next I listed more specific key features Establishment/Desirability of repeatability/Attribute Agreement Analysis for Defect Databases/Accuracy/Accuracy and Precision/Reproducibility. Just to name a few to include but not limited to the before mentioned parameters.
Please feel free to look these up or Google them as I feel certain you have no clue what they are.
I truly hope your lack of understanding why your information will be meaningless is a poor attempt at trolling.
Scientist my AZZ.
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
474
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:29:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:La Nariz wrote:You didn't answer the question. So why is any information I provide meaningless? You're constantly telling me to unsub and stop posting, why is that? Because he knows he would be proven wrong & we can't have that now can we.
I answered it very specific. Because you closed your eyes stuck your fingers in your ears and went nahhh nahh nahh is not my problem. |
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188
State War Academy Caldari State
474
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:29:00 -
[2395] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:La Nariz wrote:You didn't answer the question. So why is any information I provide meaningless? You're constantly telling me to unsub and stop posting, why is that? Because he knows he would be proven wrong & we can't have that now can we.
I answered it very specific. Because you closed your eyes stuck your fingers in your ears and went nahhh nahh nahh is not my problem. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4573
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:30:00 -
[2396] - Quote
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:La Nariz
I provided very specific answers to your question as to why any data you collected would be erroneous. The first of which isnGÇÖt even a technical reason. First you have ZERO credibility stemming from your inability to conduct testing from a non biased view point.
'Your data is wrong because you are in Goonswarm' is not a valid argument. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3981
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:35:00 -
[2397] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:La Nariz
I provided very specific answers to your question as to why any data you collected would be erroneous. The first of which isnGÇÖt even a technical reason. First you have ZERO credibility stemming from your inability to conduct testing from a non biased view point.
'Your data is wrong because you are in Goonswarm' is not a valid argument.
Seems perfectly valid to me.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1578
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:35:00 -
[2398] - Quote
E-2C Hawkeye wrote: La Nariz
I provided very specific answers to your question as to why any data you collected would be erroneous. The first of which isnGÇÖt even a technical reason. First you have ZERO credibility stemming from your inability to conduct testing from a non biased view point.
Next would be for a more specific technical nature.
I listed several KEY areas you are missing.
The biggest is an inability to provide a controlled testing environment. (sandbox)
Next I listed more specific key features Establishment/Desirability of repeatability/Attribute Agreement Analysis for Defect Databases/Accuracy/Accuracy and Precision/Reproducibility. Just to name a few to include but not limited to the before mentioned parameters.
Please feel free to look these up or Google them as I feel certain you have no clue what they are.
I truly hope your lack of understanding why your information will be meaningless is a poor attempt at trolling.
Scientist my AZZ.
Even when I do most of the work for you, you can't answer a simple question.
Show me specific examples of each of the thing you claim to be a problem otherwise its ***** flinging. I could expend some effort and prove each one of those wrong but, I'm pretty sure your reasoning is:
"You're a goon you're wrong, I'm right."
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1579
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:40:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:La Nariz
I provided very specific answers to your question as to why any data you collected would be erroneous. The first of which isnGÇÖt even a technical reason. First you have ZERO credibility stemming from your inability to conduct testing from a non biased view point.
'Your data is wrong because you are in Goonswarm' is not a valid argument. Seems perfectly valid to me. Highsec Pubbie
You're further proving my point that highsec pubbies should not be permitted to post or ever catered to because they outright deny reality and cannot form coherent thoughts.
To get back from the horrible derail caused by that moronic highsec pubbie:
How should highsec missions be nerfed?
So far we have adding low bounty high EHP and low LP yielding NPCs along with removing blitzing. The reward is governed by the market and the market is fine so touching the isk/LP part of it is not a good idea. The time part is something we can mess with.
Another idea is making it so missions require more jumps to get to the site or occur across multiple systems like an escalation would. It adds time so it'll decrease isk/hr but, leave the reward itself untouched.
E: Recap for people that don't want to read the garbage fest the highsec pubbie npc alts keep causing
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4574
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:42:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:La Nariz
I provided very specific answers to your question as to why any data you collected would be erroneous. The first of which isnGÇÖt even a technical reason. First you have ZERO credibility stemming from your inability to conduct testing from a non biased view point.
'Your data is wrong because you are in Goonswarm' is not a valid argument. Seems perfectly valid to me. Highsec Pubbie You're further proving my point that highsec pubbies should not be permitted to post or ever catered to because they outright deny reality and cannot form coherent thoughts. To get back from the horrible derail caused by that moronic highsec pubbie: How should highsec missions be nerfed? So far we have adding low bounty high EHP and low LP yielding NPCs along with removing blitzing. The reward is governed by the market and the market is fine so touching the isk/LP part of it is not a good idea. The time part is something we can mess with. Another idea is making it so missions require more jumps to get to the site or occur across multiple systems like an escalation would. It adds time so it'll decrease isk/hr but, leave the reward itself untouched. E: Recap for people that don't want to read the garbage fest the highsec pubbie npc alts keep causing
Removing the ability to blitz missions would probably be enough. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
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