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SonShadowCat
PINK TACO TORPERS
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Posted - 2006.07.19 08:49:00 -
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Edited by: SonShadowCat on 19/07/2006 08:54:12 Edited by: SonShadowCat on 19/07/2006 08:51:07 Edited by: SonShadowCat on 19/07/2006 08:49:40 1024 x 768, fullscreen( desktop is set to no so that I actually get fullscreen). 90-100fps in station, 20-30 anywhere else.
I don't want to do a mish at 20fps, I'd die for sure.
Turning off powernowd didn't do anything to the fps.
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.19 08:53:00 -
[542]
Is EVE set (via its escape key settings) to fullscreen or windowed? This can cause some issues. At 10x7 with your rig, something doesn't seem right, as your fps should be higher for that rez. ----- ------------
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SonShadowCat
PINK TACO TORPERS
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Posted - 2006.07.19 08:55:00 -
[543]
It's set at fullscreen in the client.
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.19 08:58:00 -
[544]
I just realized you are running an AGP card. Please check this link for some methods of improving the agp speed:
Tseliot's nvidia agp howto ----- ------------
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oxigenw
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.07.19 09:27:00 -
[545]
Originally by: Renee Cado
Does anyone has a solution for how i can run Eve with Cedega-Desktop set to 1280x1024 and Eve set to 1280x1024 and fullscreen? Or some hints in which direction i have to look to find a solution?
It's possible, it is however rather annoying to work with though. I have a Geforce 6800 if I remember correct.
I set my desktop res to 1600x1200 and then started EVE, I set my EVE res to 1280x1024. I switched back to one of my virtual desktops when EVE was started and changed it back to 1280x1024.
Yes it sucks, but it's the only way I got it working with that resolution, fullscreen. I have to do this everytime I want to play on 1280x1024.
I don't have another solution, there is. I got tired of trying, this works and get some decent FPS.
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.19 09:44:00 -
[546]
Just FYI:
TransGaming is pleased to announce the July 18th release of Cedega 5.2.3, codenamed Seabass which includes updates to the increasingly easier to use Cedega User Interface and some minor fixes to the Cedega engine. Our latest addition, the GDDB, has been given a shiny new update, allowing subscribers to download updated GDDB files. Game notes have now been divided into General, Install and Play sections allowing users to better view information available for any game. TransGamers can now have multiple shortcuts for the same executable all with different settings. As well the ability to rename game folders, remove engines and specify a preferred web browser have been added. A host of additional fixes have made Cedega even easier to use than ever before. Transgaming ----- ------------
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Renee Cado
M'8'S
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Posted - 2006.07.19 10:37:00 -
[547]
I just found the follwing the ReleaseNotes for Cedega 5.2.3:
Quote: Fix for resolution reporting, especially in desktop mode.
Maybe thats a solution to the problem that Eve is switching back to the XServer resolution every time when using Cedega-Desktop and not running Cedega in fullscreen? Anyone tested this already?
Can't wait to get home to update Cedega...
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fisty
Ruffians
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Posted - 2006.07.19 10:53:00 -
[548]
cedega for mac osx works with eve? or am i totally fubar?
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Renee Cado
M'8'S
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Posted - 2006.07.19 10:54:00 -
[549]
Originally by: oxigenw
I set my desktop res to 1600x1200 and then started EVE, I set my EVE res to 1280x1024. I switched back to one of my virtual desktops when EVE was started and changed it back to 1280x1024.
Gonna try this at home. Also i dont like changing the resolution of my XServer because this will also change the sizes of all windows opend in the background.
A couple of other possible solutions i gonna try:
1. 2nd XServer only for Eve and switching between them with CTRL+ALT+F7/F8 2. 2nd monitor and NView 3. 2nd XServer + 2nd monitor, where the second XServer/monitor is only there for Eve
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.19 11:48:00 -
[550]
Originally by: fisty cedega for mac osx works with eve? or am i totally fubar?
Sorry man...fubar.
Cedega works for Linux (that's what it's built for.) While there is talk of ports, and some 'wine' work being done for osx, EVE and most other windows apps won't run via any wine port to osx as of yet.
that said...mac hardware CAN run linux and run it well. running linux on a mac means cedega will work....and thus EVE. (better have a good video card though, typically mac video cards ain't the greatest for 3d gaming.) ----- ------------
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SonShadowCat
PINK TACO TORPERS
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Posted - 2006.07.19 17:18:00 -
[551]
I could not get fast write enabled( SBA was enabled by default), does this mean I'm SOL?
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Renee Cado
M'8'S
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Posted - 2006.07.19 21:09:00 -
[552]
Originally by: SonShadowCat I could not get fast write enabled( SBA was enabled by default), does this mean I'm SOL?
What do you mean by SOL? I got SBA and FW working using the description linked by Servarus. Did you check you have FW enabled in your BIOS?
Originally by: Cedega 5.2.3 Release Notes Fix for resolution reporting, especially in desktop mode.
I tested this now and IT IS WORKING, it is the solution for my problem! Eve is running fullscreen in a 1280x1024 Cedega-Desktop window while my XServer has a 1600x1200 resolution.
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Thoreau
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Posted - 2006.07.19 23:35:00 -
[553]
Originally by: Grimster I've had a similar thing going on here atm, Ubuntu 6.06 and Cedega 5.2.1, can get into game for a whole few minutes max then plinking into nothingness, no error etc.
Unfortunately I'm running ATI too, liney space on intro and a stuttering (very much like back in "the day" when Castor was released and people with slightly backward soundcards had to Ctrl>Alt>Shift>F12 and back again - yeah I know - not much good in a Linux distro - flips TTY's). And all this despite reading this thread in it's entirety.
Anyone have any more news on the "bin out" thing yet? Hate having to resort to Windoze again
What sound drive are you running in Cedega? I didn't notice any sound issues with my onboard sound alsa driver using Alsa in Cedega with MMap and HW. Though I usually run with sound off so I can listen to shoutcast via XMMS.
The crash is probably related to loading up a portrait if you have not loaded it before. An example being if you have lots of buddies in your address book and they sign on/off. Or if you load up a portait via show info. This would be a big issue if you had to check show info in 0.0 or had a bunch on your buddy list. However once the portrait generates you shouldn't have that issue for that portrait again.
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Ab Initio
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.20 04:06:00 -
[554]
Edited by: Ab Initio on 20/07/2006 04:10:32 I see lots of people saying it's working for them... Any assistance as to where I'm going wrong would be welcome :)
I'm running Fedore Core 5 x86_64 (Dual Opterons), and I have the latest version of Cedega. The installation completed without any problems what so ever, but when I try to login, the window simply closes at the point where it would normally bring up character selection. No errors anywhere.
Any assistance appreciated, would love to have this up and running.
EDIT: 1. This is a new installation of the current production client, not SISI. 2. This new installation was done by downloading the newest full download, not patching. 3. I have an Nvidian Geforce 6800 Ultra, with all the relevant drivers installed and working.
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SonShadowCat
PINK TACO TORPERS
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Posted - 2006.07.20 06:06:00 -
[555]
Originally by: Renee Cado
Originally by: SonShadowCat I could not get fast write enabled( SBA was enabled by default), does this mean I'm SOL?
What do you mean by SOL? I got SBA and FW working using the description linked by Servarus. Did you check you have FW enabled in your BIOS?
Originally by: Cedega 5.2.3 Release Notes Fix for resolution reporting, especially in desktop mode.
I tested this now and IT IS WORKING, it is the solution for my problem! Eve is running fullscreen in a 1280x1024 Cedega-Desktop window while my XServer has a 1600x1200 resolution.
Ok, I did forget to check the bios. They're both enabled and there is still no increase in fps. I don't see any other options in cedega that could increase my fps so I am out of luck I think.
And SOL means, s#$t out of luck.
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Renee Cado
M'8'S
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Posted - 2006.07.20 07:17:00 -
[556]
Originally by: Ab Initio I'm running Fedore Core 5 x86_64 (Dual Opterons), and I have the latest version of Cedega.
Cedega is a 32bit application designed to run 32bit windows applications (Eve). So maybe your problem lies in here. You should check the Transgaming forums to see if you can find some hints there about using Cedega with 64bit CPUs.
What graphicscard do you have? Are the drivers installed correctly? What does "glxgears -printfps" give you as FPS?
For an Nvidia GeForce 7800 GS this should be somewhere around 12000 FPS.
Originally by: SonShadowCat Ok, I did forget to check the bios. They're both enabled and there is still no increase in fps. I don't see any other options in cedega that could increase my fps so I am out of luck I think.
I only had to enable FW as SBA was enabled already. Enabling FW boosted my FPS using "glxgears -printfps" from 120xx to 124xx. In Eve i get 2-4 more FPS. Docked i get around 35 FPS and outside flying around belts 20-25 FPS. As Eve is really CPU-intensive i think this is the limiting factor here.
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.20 10:58:00 -
[557]
Edited by: Sevarus James on 20/07/2006 10:59:11 Regarding the fps situation, I also thought that I'd put in one more 'bit' here as well. 20-35fps is not considered 'huge' by most first person shooter standards, but as has been mentioned, EVE is very constrained to the cpu, and there will be only so much you can do GPU wise with it.
In EVE 20-35fps 'steady' is very playable. I run missions where the npc count is quite high, and 20-35fps in EVE imho = 50-60 fps in a quake/unreal/etc. type of game.
The problem for eve is when you dip down into single to low teen digits for the frame rate. That's when problems rear their ugly heads.
In fleet activities, even the best windows clients are going to suffer. CCP knows this and is another reason (beyond eye candy) for the complete re-write they are doing to the gfx engine. The next gen engine (non vista and vista dx10 garbage) is meant to correct a lot of these deficiencies by moving to shader 2.0 and more current dx9 usage and getting a lot of the current cpu calculations off the cpu and onto the graphics cards.
I never got to the point of testing EVE on the 64bit version of Ubuntu. (I had other dependency hell issues with 32bit compiled applications that sent me running back to the 32 bit kernel.)
It is possible, but here I'm only speculating, that your client is losing fps because it is being converted from 64bit to 32 bit as well as the directx > opengl rendering. That overhead may be where the problem lies.
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SonShadowCat
PINK TACO TORPERS
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Posted - 2006.07.21 08:34:00 -
[558]
Well the guys over at the Ubuntu forums say using a 64bit version wouldn't hurt my fps *shrug*.
I tried fighting some frigs/cruiser and my fps dropped to 15-20, pretty horrid.
Anyway, I was looking at my system info through cedega and it says I only have 92MB of AGP mem available. I'll read that to mean that only 92 of my video card's 256MB is available to Cedega? If so, then that is whats keeping my fps so low.
Could it be because I'm using KDE( which likes to eat up resources), is there something I could do to free more vid memory?
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Ab Initio
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.21 10:07:00 -
[559]
Originally by: Renee Cado
Cedega is a 32bit application designed to run 32bit windows applications (Eve). So maybe your problem lies in here. You should check the Transgaming forums to see if you can find some hints there about using Cedega with 64bit CPUs.
What graphicscard do you have? Are the drivers installed correctly? What does "glxgears -printfps" give you as FPS?
For an Nvidia GeForce 7800 GS this should be somewhere around 12000 FPS.
Cedega installed fine, and I have all the relevant 32bit libs installed.
As for the Graphics related questions. I have a 6800 Ultra, and yes the drivers are installed correctly.
73400 frames in 5.0 seconds = 14679.936 FPS 73249 frames in 5.0 seconds = 14649.709 FPS 73382 frames in 5.0 seconds = 14676.373 FPS 73216 frames in 5.0 seconds = 14643.054 FPS 73328 frames in 5.0 seconds = 14665.475 FPS
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.21 22:32:00 -
[560]
Originally by: SonShadowCat Well the guys over at the Ubuntu forums say using a 64bit version wouldn't hurt my fps *shrug*.
I tried fighting some frigs/cruiser and my fps dropped to 15-20, pretty horrid.
Anyway, I was looking at my system info through cedega and it says I only have 92MB of AGP mem available. I'll read that to mean that only 92 of my video card's 256MB is available to Cedega? If so, then that is whats keeping my fps so low.
Could it be because I'm using KDE( which likes to eat up resources), is there something I could do to free more vid memory?
Kinda' strange. Now I'm on pci-express, but my card shows the following reported by cedega: Video Ram (MB) - 256 AGP Mem Available (MB) - 508
It is correctly reporting system info as well as physical ram, processor, video driver, etc.
I just passed through a gate camp in konora/hodrold a little while ago, and fps never dipped below 23fps even with over 20 ships near the gate. (The warp in was a little stuttered, but no lockups, and that kinda camp produces the same stuttering under windows).
As far as the desktop manager, I use gnome rather than kde (personal preference), so I can't speak to that, but I don't think it would make too much of a difference. ----- ------------
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SonShadowCat
PINK TACO TORPERS
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Posted - 2006.07.21 23:37:00 -
[561]
Edited by: SonShadowCat on 22/07/2006 02:03:21 Edited by: SonShadowCat on 22/07/2006 00:32:17 So theres nothing I can really do huh? If Cedega is incorrectly reading my video card's mem( everything else is fine, even installed 32bit of Ubuntu), then theres nothing more I can really do to fix my fps.
Wow, even Warhammer 40k runs better at high settings( 40+ fps even in battle).
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.22 03:27:00 -
[562]
Edited by: Sevarus James on 22/07/2006 03:29:25 On the cedega menu Edit> System/Hardware Information At the bottom is an 'autodetect' button. Just in case you haven't tried that, it will attempt to check all of your system settings.
One thing I forgot to ask...have you set the agp settings in your bios, or just double checked them? Guessing you have, but doesn't hurt to ask. I've seen flaky bios's reset to defaults moren' once, and this has caused moren' a few problems in the past.
If this is still reporting incorrectly, I would highly suggest filing a problem report with Transgaming via their website.
As far as fps reports, I do not trust glxgears. My fps reports are lower with a pciexpress 7600 GT (overclocked) than a few people with 6800 GT cards...yet my in game fps is higher. --shrugs.
As far as the problem with EVE.......just a few more things to check for the EVE settings:
If you are using "win98", try "XP". if you're using XP, switch it to win98. On my rig, I get some strange graphic stuttering with win98, but smoother and higher fps using XP. On a single core cpu, it was the exact opposite.
Also under the graphics tab in the settings for EVE you can manually set the agp information as well as a few other things. I highly suggest playing with these settings to see if any of it helps.
The problem we have here is that due to hardware differences, including motherboards/cpus/video cards as well as possible driver problems (the nvidia drivers are good...but we must face facts: the windows drivers are more mature at this point, as nvidia and ATI have had historically poor support for linux. This is changing and for the good, but we're still not at the levels of the windows variants.)
The nice thing here is that we at least have the option of using the platform of choice rather than being locked into one vendor. Support for cedega, and being vocal about freedom of choice is getting us more options and better and better support.
I say this remembering just a little over 2 years ago where the linux gaming scene was, and this is basically light years better than it was. ----- ------------
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SonShadowCat
PINK TACO TORPERS
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Posted - 2006.07.22 04:34:00 -
[563]
I checked my AGP settings in my bios and all is fine( my MOBO doesn't give many options anyway).
I have it set to win98 as well and after some playing around with graphics settings, I get no difference in fps. I went and tried a mish( blood raider, unauthorized military presence) and my fps dropped to 15 even though the rats weren't shooting at me.
I guess I'll go toss transgaming a message. Thanks for the help.
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padiculous
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Posted - 2006.07.24 07:20:00 -
[564]
I have been meaning to reply to this topic for some time. Only recently have I had enough faith in the information contained herein to publicize my findings. My conclusions are as follows...
As of Mon Jul 24 02:48:35 EDT 2006, it is as simple as this... 1) Ubuntu 6.06 2) Nvidia graphics card 3) Cedega 5.2.3
That's it.
That is all you need to get EvE up and running on an x86 machine.
My framerates still hover around 50fps in station and 30fps in space, but I don't really mind. I have not tried the powernowd trick, nor have I attempted to optimize my system. Vanilla Ubuntu install + nvidia drivers + cedega == I can play...I can play on a non-windows machine. I am willing to sacrifice 30 fps for that.
SPECS:: Kernel: 2.6.15-26-386 CPU: Athlon XP 3200+ RAM: 2GB Corsair PC3200 GPU: Nvidia PCI-X 6800 GT
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.25 21:59:00 -
[565]
Just a small heads up regarding the 4539 test build issues.
Transgaming has responded to my support request.
They indicate that while there is no fix or workaround at this point, they are aware of the issues and are investigating.
A user posted the following regarding wine:
" I've tested this against a winecvs build and while my D3D is probably not working properly. The client does load (with lots of D3D errors). It gets farther than the latest cedega does.
Testing using the latest 5.2.3 exhibits same behavior. " ----- ------------
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Renee Cado
M'8'S
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Posted - 2006.07.26 07:22:00 -
[566]
Originally by: Sevarus James They indicate that while there is no fix or workaround at this point, they are aware of the issues and are investigating.
Hope they fix it before the new version goes live as i finally kicked Windows yesterday and if there is no fix, no more Eve for me then i guess.
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.26 08:56:00 -
[567]
Originally by: Renee Cado
Originally by: Sevarus James They indicate that while there is no fix or workaround at this point, they are aware of the issues and are investigating.
Hope they fix it before the new version goes live as i finally kicked Windows yesterday and if there is no fix, no more Eve for me then i guess.
I'm in the same boat. I ditched windows a few months ago completely (had one partition on one box for some video editing stuff the required a win app...no longer needed with a new nix tool, so gparted up and xp out.)
I'm not really worried at this point though. Transgaming's fast response to the support request was answered by one of their top techs (wulfram), and he is the one that has hinted about more direct support for EVE and CCP recently.
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.26 09:07:00 -
[568]
Originally by: SonShadowCat I checked my AGP settings in my bios and all is fine( my MOBO doesn't give many options anyway).
I have it set to win98 as well and after some playing around with graphics settings, I get no difference in fps. I went and tried a mish( blood raider, unauthorized military presence) and my fps dropped to 15 even though the rats weren't shooting at me.
I guess I'll go toss transgaming a message. Thanks for the help.
Just in case you missed it SonShadowCat, wulfram answered you in the support section: <snip> Re: Eve online performance by wulfram on Tuesday July 25, 2006 @ 4:10PM Go into your bios and change your AGP aperture size. Make it bigger. Then when you have restarted go to the System/Hardware information page and do an autodetect. Then retry. <snip> ----- ------------
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ElfeGER
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.26 16:57:00 -
[569]
the Dragon client should be working on wine in some days (it is already working on my laptop)
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.26 21:59:00 -
[570]
Originally by: El***ER the Dragon client should be working on wine in some days (it is already working on my laptop)
Elf, is this going to be 0.9.18 straight cvs wine or is this using some other wine patches separate from the main branch?
I know that cedega will get it going eventually, but regardless of fork, I'd really like to be able to get on and at least test the client.
For me its not about which one works...rather its that EVE works under linux.
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