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rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
77
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Posted - 2013.05.15 02:19:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:There's nothing logical about having to wait twenty-four hours to initiate hostilities after declaring war on an entity. If I'm a country and I declare war on you, you're not getting a day to get your **** together; you're getting bombed six milliseconds after I make the press release.
I agree with this also, but I understand why it's set up the way it is. First, to prevent exploits as have been explained in this topic. Second, because someone can be wardecced while they're offline due to time zone differences (but this seems like less of an issue to me really). I'd happily advocate it be reduced...perhaps to an hour. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAz0aWEzpw http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/
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rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
77
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Posted - 2013.05.15 02:21:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:rswfire wrote:Yes, realism matters to me.
I can't really comment on Concord response times, but I wouldn't be opposed to changing them.
As for corp creation fees, sure, make them much higher! No complaints. See, you're one of us. You just don't know it yet.
I'm not, but thank you. I am just someone who has a unique set of opinions, just like you. And I value your opinions. Like I said before, I don't agree with them all, but I still listen to them and consider them and I remain respectful toward you even if I disagree, and it doesn't prevent me from agreeing with you on other things. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAz0aWEzpw http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1949
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Posted - 2013.05.15 02:41:00 -
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As a quick aside, anyone notice how all the stuff being changed has to do with defending against pvp attempts? I mean, ally timers decreased to four hours, drop timers becoming instant, insurance not being paid out due to CONCORD, etc etc. How come they're not buffing the stuff that benefits the gankers, warriors, or other belligerents?
If it was give-and-take I'd understand, but it's just take and take and take. Can any of you non-sociopaths objectively name one instance of ganking, wars, or other such activities being buffed? And don't say T3 BCs; that doesn't really count.
Don't just rush to respond to me how this game is "evolving." Think about it for a second. Maybe CCP is actually nerfing pvp in a lot of its forms. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
0
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Posted - 2013.05.15 02:46:00 -
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Kangaax wrote:Andski wrote:OfBalance wrote:Ok so EVE is already dead by that measure then, and this change doesn't do much but add a tiny insult to injury.
Assuming they didn't implement this at all, I'd still be arguing for nerfing empire income streams and buffing what used to be superior risk/rewards in null. If that battle can't be won, then the game is going in the wrong direction (again), but that's the battle and I don't think the change is symboilc of a turning point either way.
I'd say that the effective removal of the primary avenue of PvP in hisec does more than "add insult to injury" I have a tiny bit of a question for you. When you say "removal of the primary avenue of PvP in highsec" when most people in that discussion agree that the targets that would have fought before would still fight, and people who would have logged off now switch corp, what do you mean exactly? Because it's not like there is a lot of pew to be lost in that change Oh, and besides, there's just an idea, but... what about restricting corp hopping exclusively for war-decced corps? That'd solve the "issue" while still removing the hassle of roles dropping
This is a great point. I spent most of my time in EvE high sec war deccing. I usually spent a week to a month scoping out different corps / alliances to ensure that they would fight and not hop. If you just dec the first corp you think might be juicy you wont have anyone to prey on but if you take some time to get intel and use that intel to choose the right corp, the corp hopping thing wont be a problem.
Anyway if you really want decent high sec wars deccing alliances is way more effective and its highly unlikely they'll disband the whole alliance. Regarding neutral haulers, smart people use them, the majority of EvE industrialists are stupid and lazy.
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Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
289
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Posted - 2013.05.15 02:53:00 -
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General Discussion I am disappointed. LHA Tahrwna or whatever it is, is not a particularly noteworthy forums denzien. The only reason he sticks in my mind is the whole concept of dropping corp to avoid wars like it's some almighty secret to win Eve is pretty much all he ever posts about. It's a troll account.
He's made at least 2 threads about it before. I'm seeing good posters being trolled here and it just breaks my heart.
Poor form, poor form. TMC Senior Developer http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1952
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Posted - 2013.05.15 02:57:00 -
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Robus Muvila wrote:General Discussion I am disappointed. LHA Tahrwna or whatever it is, is not a particularly noteworthy forums denzien. The only reason he sticks in my mind is the whole concept of dropping corp to avoid wars like it's some almighty secret to win Eve is pretty much all he ever posts about. It's a troll account.
He's made at least 2 threads about it before. I'm seeing good posters being trolled here and it just breaks my heart.
Poor form, poor form. I already pointed that out like ten pages ago. Despite this guy most likely being a troll, this thread, and this discussion, are both absolutely necessary. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted |
Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
289
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Posted - 2013.05.15 03:05:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Robus Muvila wrote:General Discussion I am disappointed. LHA Tahrwna or whatever it is, is not a particularly noteworthy forums denzien. The only reason he sticks in my mind is the whole concept of dropping corp to avoid wars like it's some almighty secret to win Eve is pretty much all he ever posts about. It's a troll account.
He's made at least 2 threads about it before. I'm seeing good posters being trolled here and it just breaks my heart.
Poor form, poor form. I already pointed that out like ten pages ago. Despite this guy most likely being a troll, this thread, and this discussion, are both absolutely necessary.
Sorry I only got about 3 1/2 pages in before I started twitching. TMC Senior Developer http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages |
rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
78
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Posted - 2013.05.15 03:12:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:As a quick aside, anyone notice how all the stuff being changed has to do with defending against pvp attempts? I mean, ally timers decreased to four hours, drop timers becoming instant, insurance not being paid out due to CONCORD, etc etc. How come they're not buffing the stuff that benefits the gankers, warriors, or other belligerents?
If it was give-and-take I'd understand, but it's just take and take and take. Can any of you non-sociopaths objectively name one instance of ganking, wars, or other such activities being buffed? And don't say T3 BCs; that doesn't really count.
Don't just rush to respond to me how this game is "evolving." Think about it for a second. Maybe CCP is actually nerfing pvp in a lot of its forms.
I think they probably are. But I see it a little differently. I think they are "balancing" something that wasn't balanced previously. You don't need buffs because you have all of the advantages. Perhaps that's short-sighted of me, I don't know, but that is my general impression of the situation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAz0aWEzpw http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/
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rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
78
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Posted - 2013.05.15 03:14:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:I already pointed that out like ten pages ago. Despite this guy most likely being a troll, this thread, and this discussion, are both absolutely necessary.
And constructive. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAz0aWEzpw http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
889
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Posted - 2013.05.15 03:18:00 -
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Kangaax wrote:Erm, i don't think anyone in a nullsec alliance will drop corp while entering highsec
TELL US MORE
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Kangaax
BlueWaffe
5
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Posted - 2013.05.15 03:42:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Kangaax wrote:Erm, i don't think anyone in a nullsec alliance will drop corp while entering highsec TELL US MORE Oh dear, now you're gonna tell me nullbears do that? |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
890
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Posted - 2013.05.15 03:47:00 -
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No, I'm actually not going to engage you seriously in any form because you are obviously opining while clueless in classic GD form.
I just want to hear more. |
Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1060
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Posted - 2013.05.15 03:51:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:No, I'm actually not going to engage you seriously in any form because you are obviously opining while clueless in classic GD form.
I just want to hear more. TELL US A STORY MAN! CCP has no sense of humour. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
890
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Posted - 2013.05.15 03:58:00 -
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So you see, it all started when the maratani was at fanfest with molle and evil thug. Together they formed the evil moon cartel and schemed to fill CCP with their agents in an effort to strengthen their RMT empires.
Do you want to know more? |
OfBalance
Caldari State
466
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Posted - 2013.05.15 03:59:00 -
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Needs more pink hats and bbq. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
890
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Posted - 2013.05.15 04:01:00 -
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OfBalance wrote:Needs more pink hats and bbq.
I'm getting there, bro.
Let me weave the tale as it needs to be told. |
Mara Villoso
Big Box
77
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Posted - 2013.05.15 04:07:00 -
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We can simplify this argument.
Should hisec exist at all? Should there be a game mechanic in which there is any length of time over which you can't be attacked with impunity?
This discussion isn't about wardecs. It's about the concept of system security. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
890
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Posted - 2013.05.15 04:10:00 -
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Again, arguing about this pissant detail when the entire risk/reward balance and fundamental gameplay of hisec is borked is utterly pointless.
Start a thread about how to make hisec more than just a safe place for alts to generate wealth, and you'll at least have a productive point of departure. |
Lin Suizei
145
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Posted - 2013.05.15 04:16:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Start a thread about how to make hisec more than just a safe place for alts to generate wealth, and you'll at least have a productive point of departure.
2/10, slight smirk. Xeros S*** > are you really suprised? im not here to pvp so why the fuc not Xeros S**** > oh go cry somewhere else, im not in fw for the ****** pvp
Welcome to faction war. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1470
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Posted - 2013.05.15 04:22:00 -
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LittleTerror wrote:But leaving corp and reforming under a new corp is what really pisses me off since the intention of the war is to destroy a corp in most cases .
Once upon a time a news channel in Florida decided to go undercover and investigate a grocery story chain. Specifically, their butcher/meat departments. Their undercover team got jobs working there and, with hidden cameras, captured on film numerous examples of the regular staff - as policy - taking expired meat from the shelves, opening it up, adding red food coloring, then re-wrapping it, slapping on a new label (with new expiration date) and putting it right back on the shelves.
Since this is the USA, when the story aired the grocery store chain immediately sued the news channel for damages. Since this was Florida, they won their case and walked away a truck full of money that used to belong to the news channel. However, the damage to their name was done and no one wanted to shop there anymore.
So they took their truck full of money and bought out a smaller, lesser known grocery store chain. Since they now owned the rights to the other chain's good name, they then proceeded to simply change the name of all of their grocery stores to that of the company they just bought.
Ta-da! Business as usual, rotten meat back on the shelves, an idiot public returns to shop and no one dares investigate them again.
Why this story? Because what you described and what I described is essentially the same thing. Meaning that companies in the real world do this exact sort of thing all the time - fail, dissolve, reform, issue new stock, repeat. Emphasis on the stock thing, too: Do you know how many companies have had their stock value drop to literally nothing and then simply issue new stock? Try General Motors, for one.
Every scam you see in EvE has a real-life counterpart somewhere. So you can't say that the whole "escaping consequences by dissolving & reforming the exact same company" is unrealistic because, yeah, that sort of thing actually does happen in real life. All the time, in fact.
Don't weep for EvE - weep for the world we live in.
.... when you could be playing Minecraft. |
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Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
289
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Posted - 2013.05.15 04:23:00 -
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OfBalance wrote:Needs more pink hats and bbq.
This is irrelevant as it could be applied to any situation anytime ever. TMC Senior Developer http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages |
OfBalance
Caldari State
466
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Posted - 2013.05.15 04:26:00 -
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Robus Muvila wrote:OfBalance wrote:Needs more pink hats and bbq. This is irrelevant as it could be applied to any situation anytime ever.
Fair point. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1209
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Posted - 2013.05.15 06:19:00 -
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Andski wrote:rswfire wrote:There's nothing logical about making a person wait 24 hours to leave a corp. It's not realistic. If I fired you, I'd have security escort you out the front door and be done with you. I wouldn't let you sit in your office and ***** and moan to others for 24 hours before I did so. The police responding in 30 seconds or less guaranteed isn't realistic, an area where the police respond in 30 seconds or less not taxing those who operate in that area is not realistic Surely since you believe in realism you support CONCORD response times being extended significantly or a realistic (say, 60%) tax rate applied to highsec that's impossible to evade by simply paying 200k isk to form a corp?
Dear me Andski, lo-sec and null-sec are going to be seriously buffed on June 4, and you are still whinging about hi-sec.
You should ask your corp to give you some sort of meaningful role that you can usefully do, then you might enjoy your play-time in Eve and stop your incessant whinging about hi-sec.
The constant whining noise from some null-sec folk is just becoming tedious. This is not a signature. |
cpu939
Eternal Darkness. Fatal Ascension
34
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Posted - 2013.05.15 06:35:00 -
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I really don't see what the problem is in regards to war decs
lets face it if a player is going to hop corps when they get war dec, they can do that now with out any risk
war dec notice gives 24 hour, role dropping takes 24 hours. your corp gets war deced 24 hour later your out of your corp just a little after the war dec starts.
what this change does is add more risk to both the corp and member
1 - corp thift in high sec is now safer he can steal everything and be in a new corp minutes later 2 - ceo gets pissed kicks member while in null no warnings just gone.
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March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
677
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Posted - 2013.05.15 08:59:00 -
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Mara Villoso wrote:Should hisec exist at all? new players need to start somewhere. So yes, high-sec has its place in the game.
Mara Villoso wrote:Should there be a game mechanic in which there is any length of time over which you can't be attacked with impunity? you can be attacked anywhere and anytime(*). high-sec mechanics just makes it little more complicated.
* - this does not include stations.
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Julius Priscus
106
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Posted - 2013.05.15 09:02:00 -
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cpu939 wrote: 2 - ceo gets pissed kicks member while in null no warnings just gone.
not if the player has roles. still got to wait 24 hours. AND he has to log off or be docked. -»\_(pâä)_/-»-á Sup cracka ! |
baltec1
Bat Country
6426
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Posted - 2013.05.15 09:06:00 -
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cpu939 wrote:I really don't see what the problem is in regards to war decs
lets face it if a player is going to hop corps when they get war dec, they can do that now with out any risk
war dec notice gives 24 hour, role dropping takes 24 hours. your corp gets war deced 24 hour later your out of your corp just a little after the war dec starts.
what this change does is add more risk to both the corp and member
1 - corp thift in high sec is now safer he can steal everything and be in a new corp minutes later 2 - ceo gets pissed kicks member while in null no warnings just gone.
Before there was a small window where they could be attacked. Now they can leave the corp in the same minute as the wardec mail arrives.
Also number 2 is wrong. |
Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
191
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Posted - 2013.05.15 12:36:00 -
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Andski wrote:You can't accommodate those who want a risk-free, asocial, zero-consequences game and those who want a dangerous game where cooperation is essential and dumb choices have consequences into the same server. You want success fed to you on a silver platter so you don't have to cooperate or think. Wormhole space!
My corp/alliance looks for targets, and cooperation is essential and dumb choices have consequences (ie: they become a pretty explosion).
But it is rare to see someone in Local, so it's very safe out here.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1821
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Posted - 2013.05.15 13:03:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:So you see, it all started when the maratani was at fanfest with molle and evil thug. Together they formed the evil moon cartel and schemed to fill CCP with their agents in an effort to strengthen their RMT empires.
Do you want to know more? +1 for Starship Troopers reference!
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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1305
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Posted - 2013.05.15 13:10:00 -
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There should be a 48 hour grace period when you drop corp in which you're still a valid war target
Hiking up war prices and allowing instantly-dropping out of them to reform corp is pretty sad |
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