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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:26:00 -
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Joe Everyguy wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Gas thread, ban OP. You seem upset.
Damn right I'm upset. All this whining about a moderation team is taking precious time away from my spaceships discussion. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Joe Everyguy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:28:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Joe Everyguy wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Gas thread, ban OP. You seem upset. Damn right I'm upset. All this whining about a moderation team is taking precious time away from my spaceships discussion.
obnoxious image macro implying that Lapine is colon crucified/some other tired meme |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
601
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:29:00 -
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Jason Marshall wrote: I honestly thought that CCP hadn't added the feature. So I made a rage thread to get it implemented. Or to be laughed at and given an answer. It worked...but only after some..well..
Whilst it can be a little disorienting returning to a game after a prolonged period of absence, it would serve people well if they used manners and politeness to gain answers to their questions.
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Quaaid
ABOS Industrial Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:29:00 -
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I support this, that team has been way too liberal with their moderation.
+1 for Topic and Transparency (whatever the outlet) |
Lapine Davion
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:33:00 -
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Joe Everyguy wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Joe Everyguy wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Gas thread, ban OP. You seem upset. Damn right I'm upset. All this whining about a moderation team is taking precious time away from my spaceships discussion. obnoxious image macro implying that Lapine is colon crucified/some other tired meme
But for serious, all this whining about the CCL team recruiting, something that they've been doing for a while, just not announcing it openly, is really, really dumb. So a guy went and locked a bunch of no-content threads people were posting in? Big Whoop. That happens every day when the mods are online. It's just that it's visible right now because someone went off the deep end and posted a million useless threads that all needed to be locked. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Lapine Davion
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:34:00 -
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Quaaid wrote:I support this, that team has been way too liberal with their moderation.
+1 for Topic and Transparency (whatever the outlet)
Real life politics? Reported. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Patrick Estemaire
Black Candle Labs
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:37:00 -
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This feels like the old Guards/Prisoners social experiment. For nerds.
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Jason Marshall
Born-2-Kill
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:37:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Jason Marshall wrote: I honestly thought that CCP hadn't added the feature. So I made a rage thread to get it implemented. Or to be laughed at and given an answer. It worked...but only after some..well..
Whilst it can be a little disorienting returning to a game after a prolonged period of absence, it would serve people well if they used manners and politeness to gain answers to their questions.
:| What exactly was impolite about my OP. It was intended to incite awareness of the fact we lacked the means to tuck our fancy shirts into our fancy pants. I never got the chance to thank anyone for answering my question nor the chance to apologize for the tone of my original post because it was locked.
That said.. Im doubting your claims of years played if this sort of post isn't familiar to you. |
Jason Marshall
Born-2-Kill
40
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:39:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Joe Everyguy wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Joe Everyguy wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Gas thread, ban OP. You seem upset. Damn right I'm upset. All this whining about a moderation team is taking precious time away from my spaceships discussion. obnoxious image macro implying that Lapine is colon crucified/some other tired meme But for serious, all this whining about the CCL team recruiting, something that they've been doing for a while, just not announcing it openly, is really, really dumb. So a guy went and locked a bunch of no-content threads people were posting in? Big Whoop. That happens every day when the mods are online. It's just that it's visible right now because someone went off the deep end and posted a million useless threads that all needed to be locked.
No its more we gave the volunteer moderating thing a go and alot of us arent happy with results we are getting. This is happening now because we are tired of their lack of consistency and clearly they have selected some poor candidates how now have powers alot of us believe they arent qualified for. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:40:00 -
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Patrick Estemaire wrote:This feels like the old Guards/Prisoners social experiment. For nerds.
The Stanford Prison Experiment is hilarious... I mean, except for all the torture.. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:41:00 -
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Jason Marshall wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:
But for serious, all this whining about the CCL team recruiting, something that they've been doing for a while, just not announcing it openly, is really, really dumb. So a guy went and locked a bunch of no-content threads people were posting in? Big Whoop. That happens every day when the mods are online. It's just that it's visible right now because someone went off the deep end and posted a million useless threads that all needed to be locked.
No its more we gave the volunteer moderating thing a go and alot of us arent happy with results we are getting. This is happening now because we are tired of their lack of consistency and clearly they have selected some poor candidates how now have powers alot of us believe they arent qualified for.
Buuuuut the ISD has been going for a while, hasn't it? I haven't noticed any serious issues.
The main issue i see now is that a few posters need to get their butts permabanned, because this is getting crazy. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Jason Marshall
Born-2-Kill
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:44:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Jason Marshall wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:
But for serious, all this whining about the CCL team recruiting, something that they've been doing for a while, just not announcing it openly, is really, really dumb. So a guy went and locked a bunch of no-content threads people were posting in? Big Whoop. That happens every day when the mods are online. It's just that it's visible right now because someone went off the deep end and posted a million useless threads that all needed to be locked.
No its more we gave the volunteer moderating thing a go and alot of us arent happy with results we are getting. This is happening now because we are tired of their lack of consistency and clearly they have selected some poor candidates how now have powers alot of us believe they arent qualified for. Buuuuut the ISD has been going for a while, hasn't it? I haven't noticed any serious issues. The main issue i see now is that a few posters need to get their butts permabanned, because this is getting crazy.
Welp. Thats why we have forums. So that we can discuss issues.
Forgive us for turning to methods that have proved effective in the past when dealing with CCP. I'm not going to apologize for using these methods because I want CCP to acknowledge that there is a disagreement over this and I want to know that they are going to look into things.
If they look into it and conclude things are fine has is. thats fine a little sad, but fine it is their game and forum. But I want to see that they still care about the community and will look into issues that come up. |
Lapine Davion
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:47:00 -
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Flooding the forums with useless threads is effective? Effective at getting people banned, maybe.
Did this really start because of a thread about shirt tucking options? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Cerebral Wolf
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:48:00 -
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See my posts have been deleted once again... |
Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
179
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:49:00 -
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Joe Everyguy wrote:Jason Marshall wrote: I live in Alaska m8 I have to hire a small plane or boat to get anything to me.
What the ****, man. I have no words to express how glad I am I don't live on Hoth like you do. :p
I know places in MAINE (thats lower 48 mind you) where you still cant get cable TV/internet
Quote:Flooding the forums with useless threads is effective? Effective at getting people banned, maybe.
Did this really start because of a thread about shirt tucking options?
Theyre not really doing what they did last time cause what they did last time slammed the forums so hard CCP had to take them down till goons said they could use em again. THIS is really bushleague http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2139
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:50:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Patrick Estemaire wrote:This feels like the old Guards/Prisoners social experiment. For nerds.
The Stanford Prison Experiment is hilarious... I mean, except for all the torture.. Yes, lets compare actual torture to the eve-o forums. Actually wait, that's quite apt.
I did nothing of the sort. I just said that the Experiment and story behind it are hilarious (but for the torture).
The fact that the lessons it can teach us about suddenly giving people power over their peers are pretty apt for the ISD debacle was beside the point of my post. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
602
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:51:00 -
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Jason Marshall wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:
I've been playing EVE for coming on 7 years now, and after that amount of time you tend to pick up a few things. You also see a lot of people who like to act out on the forums, so rather than arguing with them I'll try and nudge them in the right direction instead.
Threads like the ones we've seen today tend to surface once in a while, and the best thing to do is give the poster as much concrete information as possible, with as many handy links as possible and then let them do as they wish. Sometimes you get thanked, sometimes you get called a fanboi, but at the end of the day it's just called common courtesy.
I can match your 7 years. Even beat it by a little. But the thing is I care about the community. And I've been witness to all of the changes over the years, some have been wonderful some depressing. But I know what fun this game and its community are capable of creating and thats something worth fighting for. I dont hate ISD or CCP the opposite infact. I just feel strongly that this is the wrong way to go about forum moderation. And, well to be quite frank this situation has just pissed me the **** off. I dont think you are a fanboi anymore than I am, I guess we just have different feelings about the past and how we should move on. I hope we can both agree on the fact that ISD Forum Moderators need to have guidelines that they all follow. Its not up to each individual moderator to interpret those how he or she wants to they need to be enforced the same. We need to have more open selection of forum moderators it would go along ways to know they have been around the block a few times. And while im sure they arent 6 month old newbs im not convinced they have any sort of familiarity with how the community has evolved over the last 8 years.
We do agree on a a few points, I will grant you that.Where we appear to differ is on our approach to the game and the community. I feel no special sense of entitlement just because I have played for a long time, what I do feel is a need for decency.
As I tried to point out earlier, if you knew anything at all about the way CCP staff are trained and regulated, you would already have known that they DO have guidelines to follow, and as is pointed out very clearly in a link I provided earlier, all the ISD members are carefully monitored by the higher ups to ensure that they do their job properly.
What we need is for people to stop making things up as they go along, and then getting angry over those things that they just made up. If you get angry over facts, that is one thing, but to get angry over something that comes only from the inside of your head, well that's just plain silly.
Learn the facts first, post second. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:53:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Patrick Estemaire wrote:This feels like the old Guards/Prisoners social experiment. For nerds.
The Stanford Prison Experiment is hilarious... I mean, except for all the torture.. Yes, lets compare actual torture to the eve-o forums. Actually wait, that's quite apt. I did nothing of the sort. I just said that the Experiment and story behind it are hilarious (but for the torture). The fact that the lessons it can teach us about suddenly giving people power over their peers are pretty apt for the ISD debacle was beside the point of my post.
I was more directing that at the guy who originally made the comparison. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
179
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:53:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote: I just said that the Experiment and story behind it are hilarious (but for the torture).
Man ive HAD toenails removed surgically without anesthesia. Torture aint funny (mind you that was a DOCTOR so I even knew it was gonna end at some point I still cant imagine what that would be like without that part) http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2139
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:54:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Flooding the forums with useless threads is effective? Effective at getting people banned, maybe.
Did this really start because of a thread about shirt tucking options?
That's what sparked the big fire. ISD Stensson locked a thread as Spam just because it happened to be posted while there was some dissent over the role of volunteer moderators on the EvE-O forums.
Turns out putting your Lock button on a Macro has some consequences. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:55:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Flooding the forums with useless threads is effective? Effective at getting people banned, maybe.
Did this really start because of a thread about shirt tucking options? That's what sparked the big fire. ISD Stensson locked a thread as Spam just because it happened to be posted while there was some dissent over the role of volunteer moderators on the EvE-O forums. Turns out putting your Lock button on a Macro has some consequences.
So a guy goes a little trigger happy on one thread and suddenly the forums turn into L.A. ca. 1992? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Cerebral Wolf
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:56:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Flooding the forums with useless threads is effective? Effective at getting people banned, maybe.
Did this really start because of a thread about shirt tucking options? That's what sparked the big fire. ISD Stensson locked a thread as Spam just because it happened to be posted while there was some dissent over the role of volunteer moderators on the EvE-O forums. Turns out putting your Lock button on a Macro has some consequences.
And now they are going on a delete spree of anything that mentions that or anything similar. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1617
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:57:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Flooding the forums with useless threads is effective? Effective at getting people banned, maybe.
Did this really start because of a thread about shirt tucking options? That's what sparked the big fire. ISD Stensson locked a thread as Spam just because it happened to be posted while there was some dissent over the role of volunteer moderators on the EvE-O forums. Turns out putting your Lock button on a Macro has some consequences. So a guy goes a little trigger happy on one thread and suddenly the forums turn into L.A. ca. 1992?
are you going to post the same comment in every thread?
"You were the chosen one Anikin, you were supposed to bring order to the universe, not destroy it!" -Obi Wan (Ben) Kenobe |
Jack Miton
Bite Me inc Exhale.
339
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:57:00 -
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Ive never seen a useful post from an ISD member and have seen a lot of terrible ones. recently they have been locking char trade threads left right and center for completely arbitrary reasons. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:58:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:RubyPorto wrote: I just said that the Experiment and story behind it are hilarious (but for the torture).
Man ive HAD toenails removed surgically without anesthesia. Torture aint funny (mind you that was a DOCTOR so I even knew it was gonna end at some point I still cant imagine what that would be like without that part)
I had a Doc at an Urgent care try to reset my smashed wrist with a Hematoma block that hadn't yet taken effect. This was after waiting for 4 hours (90+min of which were alone in an exam room. The perfect place for a trauma patient who's pale, diaphoretic, and complaining of 10/10 pain). Oh, and I had to teach the X-Ray techs how to reapply a splint because they thought they couldn't take an X-ray through a cardboard splint.
I had the Doc call me an ambulance to take me to a real doctor after I just barely stopped myself from slugging him. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
483
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:58:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Flooding the forums with useless threads is effective? Effective at getting people banned, maybe.
Did this really start because of a thread about shirt tucking options? That's what sparked the big fire. ISD Stensson locked a thread as Spam just because it happened to be posted while there was some dissent over the role of volunteer moderators on the EvE-O forums. Turns out putting your Lock button on a Macro has some consequences. So a guy goes a little trigger happy on one thread and suddenly the forums turn into L.A. ca. 1992? are you going to post the same comment in every thread?
As long as it still remains accurate.
I may even put something in my sig about it to remember the event. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.06.26 04:58:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Flooding the forums with useless threads is effective? Effective at getting people banned, maybe.
Did this really start because of a thread about shirt tucking options? That's what sparked the big fire. ISD Stensson locked a thread as Spam just because it happened to be posted while there was some dissent over the role of volunteer moderators on the EvE-O forums. Turns out putting your Lock button on a Macro has some consequences. And now they are going on a delete spree of anything that mentions that or anything similar.
EvE-Search FTW. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Suqq Madiq
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
88
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Posted - 2012.06.26 05:05:00 -
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Morganta wrote:I unsubbed and named the ISD as a reason, that will go up the chain quicker than the 2 month petition line
This is literally the best news GD has seen in weeks. Good riddance to you and your shitposting.
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Antisocial Malkavian
Aliastra Gallente Federation
180
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Posted - 2012.06.26 05:06:00 -
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how the hell is this:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=125940&find=unread
locked but THIS THREAD is still open lol http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
Jason Marshall
Born-2-Kill
40
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Posted - 2012.06.26 05:07:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Jason Marshall wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:
I've been playing EVE for coming on 7 years now, and after that amount of time you tend to pick up a few things. You also see a lot of people who like to act out on the forums, so rather than arguing with them I'll try and nudge them in the right direction instead.
Threads like the ones we've seen today tend to surface once in a while, and the best thing to do is give the poster as much concrete information as possible, with as many handy links as possible and then let them do as they wish. Sometimes you get thanked, sometimes you get called a fanboi, but at the end of the day it's just called common courtesy.
I can match your 7 years. Even beat it by a little. But the thing is I care about the community. And I've been witness to all of the changes over the years, some have been wonderful some depressing. But I know what fun this game and its community are capable of creating and thats something worth fighting for. I dont hate ISD or CCP the opposite infact. I just feel strongly that this is the wrong way to go about forum moderation. And, well to be quite frank this situation has just pissed me the **** off. I dont think you are a fanboi anymore than I am, I guess we just have different feelings about the past and how we should move on. I hope we can both agree on the fact that ISD Forum Moderators need to have guidelines that they all follow. Its not up to each individual moderator to interpret those how he or she wants to they need to be enforced the same. We need to have more open selection of forum moderators it would go along ways to know they have been around the block a few times. And while im sure they arent 6 month old newbs im not convinced they have any sort of familiarity with how the community has evolved over the last 8 years. We do agree on a a few points, I will grant you that.Where we appear to differ is on our approach to the game and the community. I feel no special sense of entitlement just because I have played for a long time, what I do feel is a need for decency. As I tried to point out earlier, if you knew anything at all about the way CCP staff are trained and regulated, you would already have known that they DO have guidelines to follow, and as is pointed out very clearly in a link I provided earlier, all the ISD members are carefully monitored by the higher ups to ensure that they do their job properly. What we need is for people to stop making things up as they go along, and then getting angry over those things that they just made up. If you get angry over facts, that is one thing, but to get angry over something that comes only from the inside of your head, well that's just plain silly. Learn the facts first, post second.
I agree the methods ive backed in this case aren't the most condusive to constructive argument but it is a method most proven to get CCP's attention, I have a little regret with the means we chose but we didn't have many to chose from. I want to apologize to you if I ever personally attacked your person, I cant be sure if I did or not but if I did I really am sorry I genuinely try to remain level headed and reasonable while following Wheatons Law but Eve's community and how CCP interacts with it has always been a big thing for me so I can see if I might have.
I do have a problem with this though: "As I tried to point out earlier, if you knew anything at all about the way CCP staff are trained and regulated, you would already have known that they DO have guidelines to follow, and as is pointed out very clearly in a link I provided earlier, all the ISD members are carefully monitored by the higher ups to ensure that they do their job properly."
Im not convinced they are getting enough oversight. And if they are I want it to be made very clear that the moderators are acting like CCP wants them to ask. If CCP has decided that they want to white wash the forums and make them more strict than they have in the past then thats fine. But right now the moderation doesnt feel like CCP it feels like a few kids got keys to the city and are doing what they please.
I never ignored any of your points I read through them all and learned a few things. But you can't believe that these people are acting like a paid employee would be acting when it comes to how they operate. Their next paycheck isn't coming from CCP. Up until recently we know who the moderators were, we knew they were CCP employees. At the very least we need to know who these volunteers are, yes that might come with some negative effects ingame with people hunting them just to get a kill on a forum mod, but it will keep them honest and if they are truly interested in helping the community that will be the small price they pay. And honestly this is eve..I would get in on a headhunt for some asshat that did a good guy wrong. |
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