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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1358
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Posted - 2012.06.26 12:59:00 -
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The main problem seems to be the ISDs have little to no experience in the field and are likely bad posters themselves.
They mistake ad-hominem discussion and glib remarks as personal attacks when they are clearly anything but, and so starts the deletions and locks, followed by bans (whoever reviews that is unknown).
There is a difference between "you are stupid" and "your argument is stupid" but the ISDs seem unable to see that.
There was a great thread in new-players last week where the "apparent" new player started a thread calling PVPers evil (and other expletives) and the ISD went ahead and deleted about half the thread as "trolling" despite it mostly being little more than a defensive stance from most. The OP remained, with just the cusses snipped. Let's also not forget Jades rampant conspiracy theories which largely went unmoderated, yet replies calling him out on it were repeatedly deleted as "personal attacks" -- apparently responding to a personal attack is bad, but starting a thread which is one long slander piece (repeatedly) is OK? Right.
This is silly.
You need to realise that eve-search exists and we can see the thread pre-moderation at any point, and people can draw their own conclusions which are largely poor.
If the ISD scheme is to continue it needs to do so in a different way, because volunteers simply can't be held accountable in the same way as staff (wage pressure) and I suspect this is part of the reason why the quality has been weak.
Let's stop the stupid argument of "but they do it for free, therefore-" and instead ask if volunteer moderators are really ya good idea here.
At the moment they're basically prefects, and anyone who went through a school that had them knows what kind of individual wants to volunteer into a position of "authority." - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance
120
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:01:00 -
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HEAR HEAR. REMEMBER ISDGATE. REMEMBER THOSE WHO LOST THEIR FORUM PRIVILEGES. Remember the fallen. Remember those who cannot return.
25-26/06/12 - Remember ISDGate |
Elmanketticks
State Protectorate Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:01:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:... You say you've been watching this all day long. This has been going on for far longer, today just happens to be the day it boiled over. The heavy handed moderation has been going on since I noticed the ISDs moderating. Maybe they have rules about what they can and can't say, but not being able or willing to jump into a thread that's going haywire and calm it down without resorting to editing posts or locking threads means not being able to manage a forum of this size. Period. ... -RubyPorto
This! FOR THE STATE! |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance
125
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:08:00 -
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Sorry, I forgot I already signed this. Hrm. Remember the fallen. Remember those who cannot return.
25-26/06/12 - Remember ISDGate |
CARB0N FIBER
Derailleurs
26
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:08:00 -
[275] - Quote
Signed
If nothing else change the name to something a bit more honest IAH |
Elmanketticks
State Protectorate Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:15:00 -
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CARB0N FIBER wrote:Signed If nothing else change the name to something a bit more honest IAH
what do you suggest? seccpuritate? stasisd? occphrana? FOR THE STATE! |
Balak Ragnek
Black Thorne Technologies
0
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:18:00 -
[277] - Quote
-1
We need more ISD members on this forum with more robust deletions and threads locked. The forums are garbage and I'm bored of having to wade through the junk and drivel spouted by so many people in order to get to the useful info.
ISD keep up the good work |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
180
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:19:00 -
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They even changed the 404 - we were ganked page :( If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2538
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:19:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:There is a difference between "you are stupid" and "your argument is stupid" but the ISDs seem unable to see that.
Khanh'rhh wrote:Let's also not forget Jades rampant conspiracy theories which largely went unmoderated, yet replies calling him out on it were repeatedly deleted as "personal attacks" -- apparently responding to a personal attack is bad, but starting a thread which is one long slander piece (repeatedly) is OK? Right.
The problem is Khanh'rhh, that many people are unable to objectively look at their own posting and see where they fall short in the first sentence you make above. (attacking the argument not the poster). You are certainly one to get over excited in the process of debate and lose sight of this principle. The reason my posts probably went unmoderated is that I have a personal rule (if I ever get upset on the internet over a forum argument I walk away from the computer and go do something else - mostly having a nice cup of tea.) Nothing good comes from posting-angry.
The whole wardec 1.1 scandal discussion was a pretty easy debate for me because well, the 1.1 changes were objectively terrible and I stand by my statements that they appear to have been made purely to advantage large alliances. I invited you many times to contest that perception with counter arguments or alternative viewpoints but mostly you just attacked ad hominen and I (and pretty much everyone else) skipped your posts.
Still, eventually you did come up with a reasonable compromise post and I agreed with you on it (while not the best option to my eyes it was much better than 1.1 changes.)
But back on topic, before doing the whole "Why does Jade get away with posting things I don't like!!" thing why not go back and read my posts in comparison to your own and try to step aside from the ego for a moment. I never sound angry, and I generally don't make personal attacks on the people I'm debating with. I might well have a poor opinion of the mental stability, personal habits, political viewpoints, general esteem of the person I'm arguing with - but all that goes unwritten because its not an appropriate body of content for a public games forum. I invite you to go back and read your own posts and see how many times you suggested I was a escaped mental patient/borderline psychotic for merely daring to suggest that the wardec mechanics were being misbalanced in favour of large alliances.
Khanh'rhh wrote:If the ISD scheme is to continue it needs to do so in a different way, because volunteers simply can't be held accountable in the same way as staff (wage pressure) and I suspect this is part of the reason why the quality has been weak.
Whereas I would suggest the reason you perceive it to be weak is simply because you have been moderated. Nobody likes to be told they are "doing it wrong." Its human nature to rebel against authority. But watch the preceedings in the British house of commons and you'll see a bunch of highly paid politicians acting like forum trolls every day and needing to be reigned in by the speaker - for debate to happen you need to stamp down on personal attacks and out of bounds tactics.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
180
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:24:00 -
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Balak Ragnek wrote:-1
We need more ISD members on this forum with more robust deletions and threads locked. The forums are garbage and I'm bored of having to wade through the junk and drivel spouted by so many people in order to get to the useful info.
ISD keep up the good work
Some people love the EvE Online forums, it is (was?) part of the EvE Online experience.
Transforming the forums in some type "blizzard style" forum is a very bad choice, it's boring, bland and goes against the EvE Online culture. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
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captain foivos
State War Academy Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:27:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:The reason my posts probably went unmoderated is that I have a personal rule (if I ever get upset on the internet over a forum argument I walk away from the computer and go do something else - mostly having a nice cup of tea.) Nothing good comes from posting-angry.
The ISDs are terrible and should either have nuked almost everything you wrote or nothing at all--but should have applied that with every post in that thread. Instead, we got you calling people stupid while tinfoiling like a paranoid schizo about CCP being in league with Goonswarm (who just had 5 trillion ISK stolen from them by CCP so vOv I don't know what to tell you about how ludicrous it is that they are in cahoots) while the ISDs indiscriminately removed random posts, posts that were just as often dumb trolling as they were well-thought-out and coherent arguments.
That is why the ISD sucks. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2538
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:28:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Balak Ragnek wrote:-1
We need more ISD members on this forum with more robust deletions and threads locked. The forums are garbage and I'm bored of having to wade through the junk and drivel spouted by so many people in order to get to the useful info.
ISD keep up the good work Some people love the EvE Online forums, it is ( was?) part of the EvE Online experience. Transforming the forums in some type "blizzard style" forum is a very bad choice, it's boring, bland and goes against the EvE Online culture.
What culture is that though Vaju Enki? Eve Online used to have its own culture before it became infected with Something Awful memes and the trappings of another external community. Perhaps it might be good to return to its own unique feel one day?
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2538
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:31:00 -
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captain foivos wrote: The ISDs are terrible and should either have nuked almost everything you wrote or nothing at all--but should have applied that with every post in that thread. Instead, we got you calling people stupid while tinfoiling like a paranoid schizo about CCP being in league with Goonswarm (who just had 5 trillion ISK stolen from them by CCP so vOv I don't know what to tell you about how ludicrous it is that they are in cahoots) while the ISDs indiscriminately removed random posts, posts that were just as often dumb trolling as they were well-thought-out and coherent arguments.That is why the ISD sucks.
Unfortunately I just read your paragraph above as a complaint about how unfair the english language is that some people can construct a perfectly good, incisive and often cutting post without the need to personally insult other forum users and some apparently cannot.
In eve rhetorical contests are implicitly unfair because some are simply better at it.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1643
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:33:00 -
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ISD Athechu wrote:
Reading through this thread and watching I see that that both sides have made mistakes.
both sides may have made mistakes, but ours were totally intentional and were in protest of ISD actions
Quote:Posters that delibertly started to create spam/troll/argue threads in the forum and ISD members for not explaining which rules have been broken.
-First off, that's what the forum world calls a riot, it was done in response to bad decisions by the ISD team. Secondly, no, they just randomly cut and pasted rules or edited the content out of posts-
Quote:Now the focus has been shifted to the ISD as being some kind of supreme evil overlords. We are players of the same game as you and we enjoy it like you.
The difference is that we have decided to contribute our time to the community that makes EVE so great.
sorry again, but with the meta game on the forums it's an incredibly bad idea to allow other players to moderate the forums just due to the possibility of bias being applied in a community known for extreme bias.
your last statement in the quote just rustles my jimmies, and indicates a sense of superiority over the rabble you so graciously control. real heroes don't talk about their contributions or wear them as a badge of honor on their lapel
this is why this issue needs to be in front, not buried as you suggest in the low priority section of the petition queue
anyhow, I've said my piece several times now, so I'll leave it at that "You were the chosen one Anakin, you were supposed to bring order to the galaxy, not destroy it!" -Obi Wan (Ben) Kenobi -á |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
181
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:34:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Balak Ragnek wrote:-1
We need more ISD members on this forum with more robust deletions and threads locked. The forums are garbage and I'm bored of having to wade through the junk and drivel spouted by so many people in order to get to the useful info.
ISD keep up the good work Some people love the EvE Online forums, it is ( was?) part of the EvE Online experience. Transforming the forums in some type "blizzard style" forum is a very bad choice, it's boring, bland and goes against the EvE Online culture. What culture is that though Vaju Enki? Eve Online used to have its own culture before it became infected with Something Awful memes and the trappings of another external community. Perhaps it might be good to return to its own unique feel one day?
It's very simple, It's the exact opposite of what you think it is. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Fenella
Dangermouse Inc.
6
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:36:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Balak Ragnek wrote:-1
We need more ISD members on this forum with more robust deletions and threads locked. The forums are garbage and I'm bored of having to wade through the junk and drivel spouted by so many people in order to get to the useful info.
ISD keep up the good work Some people love the EvE Online forums, it is ( was?) part of the EvE Online experience. Transforming the forums in some type "blizzard style" forum is a very bad choice, it's boring, bland and goes against the EvE Online culture. What culture is that though Vaju Enki? Eve Online used to have its own culture before it became infected with Something Awful memes and the trappings of another external community. Perhaps it might be good to return to its own unique feel one day?
Not that I disagree, but I think a major factor in the past was CAOD existed and 90% of the rubbish was sucked into there. Now its all over General. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2540
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:37:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Balak Ragnek wrote:-1
We need more ISD members on this forum with more robust deletions and threads locked. The forums are garbage and I'm bored of having to wade through the junk and drivel spouted by so many people in order to get to the useful info.
ISD keep up the good work Some people love the EvE Online forums, it is ( was?) part of the EvE Online experience. Transforming the forums in some type "blizzard style" forum is a very bad choice, it's boring, bland and goes against the EvE Online culture. What culture is that though Vaju Enki? Eve Online used to have its own culture before it became infected with Something Awful memes and the trappings of another external community. Perhaps it might be good to return to its own unique feel one day? It's very simple, It's the exact opposite of what you think it is.
Well at least that was game attempt at a clever put down, bravo.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
541
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:42:00 -
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You simply can't put a group of people up to control something without them ALL following the exact, clear cut and unsmokescreened rules. As long as there are rules which have interpretation variations you will never ever be able to blod out the notion of favouritism in regards to moderation since you didn't take out the human factor.
People from certain groups have a dislike of people from another group and this will always result in more exact or strict ruling than for those they do like or don't care about at all.
Since there are no affiliations known of the CCL people the people start to roar because of seemingly prejudice towards a ruling. Is that wonderous? No it isn't.
Your only way to get a clear cut answer is either a fully accountable organisation, which CCP refuses to be.
or
Very clear cut and all covering rules which get used for everyone exactly the same, which CCP refuses to do.
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captain foivos
State War Academy Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:46:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Something Awful memes
Apparently someone has never been to Something Awful. |
Janet Marshall
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:47:00 -
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captain foivos wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Something Awful memes
Apparently someone has never been to Something Awful.
Go back to Failheap jade. =) |
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Alaura Aquila
Sarz'na Khumatari
7
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:48:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:The ISD team seems to function after the principle of
STRENGTH THROUGH DISCIPLINE STRENGTH THROUGH COMMUNITY
and last but not least
STRENGTH THROUGH ACTION
cu in C&P /Wave
We need some discipline in here.
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1361
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:49:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:The problem is Khanh'rhh, that many people are unable to objectively look at their own posting and see where they fall short in the first sentence you make above. (attacking the argument not the poster). You are certainly one to get over excited in the process of debate and lose sight of this principle I tolerated you very very well for the first, say, 10 pages, but after that your intolerable lies caused personal attacks, not just from me but from countless angles (though I was actually not personally moderated).
You may think it "clever" to repeatedly lie over and over again to try to make the other side fall foul of self induced moderation, but at some point people are going to call you on your bullshit. For instance:
Quote:The whole wardec 1.1 scandal discussion was a pretty easy debate for me because well, the 1.1 changes were objectively terrible and I stand by my statements that they appear to have been made purely to advantage large alliances. I invited you many times to contest that perception with counter arguments or alternative viewpoints
a) They are not objectively terrible since there was a debate over them which reached no conclusion.
b) You repeatedly asked me to counter your proposal only because doing so made it look like I had not. I had, repeatedly. Other posters had also, repeatedly. You simply ignored this and kept asking people to prove you wrong because you felt making the other people look bad in the discussion was going to further your agenda. The changes you referred to had been mentioned by me in that thread TEN TIMES in that thread alone and you willfully ignored them, even quoting parts of the same posts out of context to further your agenda. It's a little woeful that the substance of your debate seems to be to try to trip people over forum rules, but I guess that's your lot to live with.
Quote:But back on topic, before doing the whole "Why does Jade get away with posting things I don't like!!" thing why not go back and read my posts in comparison to your own and try to step aside from the ego for a moment. I never sound angry You need to step away from YOUR ego and read your posts. Because a lot of your early posts WERE moderated for being little else than personal attacks on CCP. It's nice that you can sit here and claim level headed posting when there's pages of evidence on eve-search and EN24 of you getting very very angry indeed.
This is now ANOTHER thread where you've appeared and posted within 2 posts of mine and/or mention of your name, so I am a little flattered you've included me in your internet stalking behaviour.
Quote:I invite you to go back and read your own posts and see how many times you suggested I was a escaped mental patient/borderline psychotic for merely daring to suggest that the wardec mechanics were being misbalanced in favour of large alliances You received this response form everyone because despite about 100 posts explaining the complete lack of logic behind it, and your statements which held no evidence behind them at all, you still kept saying the same thing. No, I don't think you're an escaped mental patient but you need to realise when you doggedly push a completely illogical argument because it suits your agenda that is *exactly* what it looks like.
If the ISD team were competent they would have deleted all your posts where your statements of fantasy as fact that were demonstrably untrue were made. Interestingly this is against the rules now, so I can't wait till yout next "CCP are doing what GSF are telling them to do" post.
Oh, and before you claim you never said that, just know I'll link every single post you made on it in a reply. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
503
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:50:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Balak Ragnek wrote:-1
We need more ISD members on this forum with more robust deletions and threads locked. The forums are garbage and I'm bored of having to wade through the junk and drivel spouted by so many people in order to get to the useful info.
ISD keep up the good work Some people love the EvE Online forums, it is ( was?) part of the EvE Online experience. Transforming the forums in some type "blizzard style" forum is a very bad choice, it's boring, bland and goes against the EvE Online culture. What culture is that though Vaju Enki? Eve Online used to have its own culture before it became infected with Something Awful memes and the trappings of another external community. Perhaps it might be good to return to its own unique feel one day?
You may not know this, but on something awful the worst of the memes become "viral", get run into the ground by people who think they're being funny, and then become a bannable offense inside of a week.
That sounds like it would do wonders for this forum, honestly. . |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2540
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:50:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:You simply can't put a group of people up to control something without them ALL following the exact, clear cut and unsmokescreened rules. As long as there are rules which have interpretation variations you will never ever be able to blod out the notion of favouritism in regards to moderation since you didn't take out the human factor.
People from certain groups have a dislike of people from another group and this will always result in more exact or strict ruling than for those they do like or don't care about at all.
Since there are no affiliations known of the CCL people the people start to roar because of seemingly prejudice towards a ruling. Is that wonderous? No it isn't.
Your only way to get a clear cut answer is either a fully accountable organisation, which CCP refuses to be.
or
Very clear cut and all covering rules which get used for everyone exactly the same, which CCP refuses to do.
Well I did suggest on the CCL introduction thread it might be a good idea for CCP to provide some data on which organizations the CCL volunteers came from (and in what ratios) as a way to deal with people's innate suspicion of bias. If those numbers showed some CFC affilitiation, some anti CFC affiliation, some general Eve affiliation - then at least everyone would know there were biased mods of all shades represented in the body. But, I did kinda take the point that CCP was making on the thread that these guys (CCL volunteers) were supposed to be above their in-game affiliations and referring to them at all might create rather than erase suspicions. Its a bit of a tricky problem.
Issue here really is that CCP have allowed the forum culture of Eve Online to get pretty disgusting, poisonous, and negative over the years. Bullying, personal attacks, RL slander became the norm. There is a reason why most Eve players are terrified about posting on the forums.
To turn this around somehow CCP needed to take a stand and start actually enforcing player rules of conduct. But whether inviting volunteer moderators to be at the sharp end of this enforcment is the sensible or courageous play - well, the jury is out on that decision.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1361
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:53:00 -
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captain foivos wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Something Awful memes
Apparently someone has never been to Something Awful. I can guarantee he reads at least the Eve thread on SA, as he also follows goons around twitter and elsewhere to make sure he's getting 100% of every mention ever. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Din'stalor Alaric
THORN Syndicate THORN Alliance
80
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:53:00 -
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Morganta wrote:it is a failed experiment. you are losing more money than you are saving by continuing to let -----Edit-----
Shameful display of customer service I strongly recommend you rectify the situation before they do any more damage to your company
and I mean the forum division, I have no issues with ISDs ingame
Post edited Please file a petition if you have an issue with the moderators.
-I did, I unsubbed and named the ISD as a reason, that will go up the chain quicker than the 2 month petition line-
-I also took the liberty of stripping your sig from my post as you are not worthy of having an official signature-
I took the liberty of highlighting and underlining the part of your spluge of rubbish which i found most interesting. Now, since its page 8 and no one has said it, Can i haz your stuff? Solo 4 Life.1v1 always honored, flying without booster alt since Oct 2010.No ransoms honored even if offered :) |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2540
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:54:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Balak Ragnek wrote:-1
We need more ISD members on this forum with more robust deletions and threads locked. The forums are garbage and I'm bored of having to wade through the junk and drivel spouted by so many people in order to get to the useful info.
ISD keep up the good work Some people love the EvE Online forums, it is ( was?) part of the EvE Online experience. Transforming the forums in some type "blizzard style" forum is a very bad choice, it's boring, bland and goes against the EvE Online culture. What culture is that though Vaju Enki? Eve Online used to have its own culture before it became infected with Something Awful memes and the trappings of another external community. Perhaps it might be good to return to its own unique feel one day? You may not know this, but on something awful the worst of the memes become "viral", get run into the ground by people who think they're being funny, and then become a bannable offense inside of a week. That sounds like it would do wonders for this forum, honestly.
Funnily enough I actually started reading the goon recruitment thread on SA forums last week because I thought it was amusing to see the cognitive dissonance on display between opinions stated on Eve Online forums by prominent goon posters and the statements made to one's own social group on SA (This around the 5 Trillion isk FW exploit thing). Was interesting to see, and it does certainly provide a little perspective about how the Goons apparently see Eve Online forums when discussing their role here amongst their friends on a third party forum.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
503
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:55:00 -
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So, when I said "you may not know this" I was dead on then, since there hasn't actually been a new meme created on SA in awhile. . |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2540
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:58:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:The problem is Khanh'rhh, that many people are unable to objectively look at their own posting and see where they fall short in the first sentence you make above. (attacking the argument not the poster). You are certainly one to get over excited in the process of debate and lose sight of this principle I tolerated you very very well for the first, say, 10 pages, but after that your intolerable lies caused personal attacks, not just from me but from countless angles (though I was actually not personally moderated). You may think it "clever" to repeatedly lie over and over again to try to make the other side fall foul of self induced moderation, but at some point people are going to call you on your bullshit. For instance: Quote:The whole wardec 1.1 scandal discussion was a pretty easy debate for me because well, the 1.1 changes were objectively terrible and I stand by my statements that they appear to have been made purely to advantage large alliances. I invited you many times to contest that perception with counter arguments or alternative viewpoints a) They are not objectively terrible since there was a debate over them which reached no conclusion. b) You repeatedly asked me to counter your proposal only because doing so made it look like I had not. I had, repeatedly. Other posters had also, repeatedly. You simply ignored this and kept asking people to prove you wrong because you felt making the other people look bad in the discussion was going to further your agenda. The changes you referred to had been mentioned by me in that thread TEN TIMES in that thread alone and you willfully ignored them, even quoting parts of the same posts out of context to further your agenda. It's a little woeful that the substance of your debate seems to be to try to trip people over forum rules, but I guess that's your lot to live with. Quote:But back on topic, before doing the whole "Why does Jade get away with posting things I don't like!!" thing why not go back and read my posts in comparison to your own and try to step aside from the ego for a moment. I never sound angry You need to step away from YOUR ego and read your posts. Because a lot of your early posts WERE moderated for being little else than personal attacks on CCP. It's nice that you can sit here and claim level headed posting when there's pages of evidence on eve-search and EN24 of you getting very very angry indeed. This is now ANOTHER thread where you've appeared and posted within 2 posts of mine and/or mention of your name, so I am a little flattered you've included me in your internet stalking behaviour. Quote:I invite you to go back and read your own posts and see how many times you suggested I was a escaped mental patient/borderline psychotic for merely daring to suggest that the wardec mechanics were being misbalanced in favour of large alliances You received this response form everyone because despite about 100 posts explaining the complete lack of logic behind it, and your statements which held no evidence behind them at all, you still kept saying the same thing. No, I don't think you're an escaped mental patient but you need to realise when you doggedly push a completely illogical argument because it suits your agenda that is *exactly* what it looks like. If the ISD team were competent they would have deleted all your posts where your statements of fantasy as fact that were demonstrably untrue were made. Interestingly this is against the rules now, so I can't wait till yout next "CCP are doing what GSF are telling them to do" post. Oh, and before you claim you never said that, just know I'll link every single post you made on it in a reply.
Posting links at dawn? By all means if you feel it will help to win you the argument. I'm certainly entirely happy to defend all statements I have made in the past.
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Posted - 2012.06.26 13:59:00 -
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I think this ISD thing could be really really good thing. Asking people to behave with respect to one another can be challenging. CCP try not to be discouraged by these winers, and see it thru. There are always growing pains, and this bunch are going to challenge this to no end. Don't give up. |
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