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Kakwakas
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Posted - 2008.12.18 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Janu Hull Rollin' solo in 0.0 is bad, m'kay?
People at your level of skill do fine as tacklers in small gangs, even better in larger fleets. In fact, you'd be amazed how well your survival rate goes up when you surround yourself with much sweeter targets. Just be sure your side wins. [:p
Aye, I'm just waiting to get some more SP and then I'll roll with my corp. They mostly do small-group stealth hit & runs, it seems.
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Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.18 19:36:00 -
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Edited by: Janu Hull on 18/12/2008 19:37:07 A guy in my corp hung with us when we lived in Catch and was on killboards with less than 2 million SP as a tackler. You don't have to wait. In fact, now's the time to learn all the fun ways to die, because your clones are cheap. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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Cosmoleena Jordan
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Posted - 2008.12.18 21:16:00 -
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Empire is play, 0.0 is work. Huge difference. If someone asked me if I would rather play or work, what would I, or anyone say to that? Being in a corp is work. Hanging with friends is play. Dealing with politics from being in a corp is work. Harassing a drama queen is play. Being gate camped is work. Not being gate camped is good.
all of you who drone on and on about how empire dwellers don't count, shouldn't bother logging in, blah blah blah... stfu. You don't pay my bills and you don't replace my **** when it's pew pew'd. You don't pay my CCP bills, and you don't count for **** in my eyes either. Get a life. Get out of 0,0 it's akin to sticking your head out of the cave once in a while.
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Tychus
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Posted - 2008.12.18 21:25:00 -
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I'm gonna give you nuckleheads the greatest reason to go to 0.0. It has nothing to do with isk. Join a 0.0 alliance and when the FC sez "x for roaming/pos defense/pew pew" X up children. Contribute to the group, get to know peeps, and have a blast. Just STFU when the FC sez so. I live in Empire now, but i'm still friends with the ppl i flew with YEARS AGO. Eve will suck up more of your time then ever. But you'll have a book of stories about the epic battles you fought, the awesome ppl you flew with, and a lot of laughs. Its all about the people, the isk is just gravy. And my time in empire is about to draw to a close again, so i hope to see some of you 0.0 dwellers in red/blue boxes again....
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Darkeen
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.18 21:51:00 -
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Problem with 0.0 is that you have to jump at the whim of the alliances and corps that run it.
So if your a gamer that only gets maybe one hr a day at most to play then you wil be spending your time doing what they want you to do instead of what you want to do.
The corps interests come before the interests of the individual - in all things...
At least that was my exposure... If I ever want to have my account controlled by other people I'll go to 0.0 again, otherwise Hello High sec!
Regards,
Jason Brisbane
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Cosmoleena Jordan
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Posted - 2008.12.18 22:24:00 -
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I get tired of hearing how those who don't enjoy 0.0 are non-group contributers, not team players, etc. I think the majority of us in Empire would like to be team players, but in the end, this is just a game. And when I contribute to a team in RL I expect that team to be there for everyone as well. Not so for this game.
0.0 sucks for every single member of small corps. no matter what the alliance. Small corps do not do well there as they generally have to "rent" their safety. So logic dictates that you need to be a member of a pretty large corps and involved with a pretty large alliance. And what happens when you're a part of something big? You're life ceases to be your own. All for the corp, all for the alliance. Please. This is a game I PAY to play. My time, which is worth something, should not be spend WORKING in a game to make those at the top of the pyramid happier. This is crap! That is way too much like RL.
The best corp I have ever seen or belonged to was a small corp who didn't care much for 0.0, they were low-sec. Everyone enjoyed their play time. There was some pirating, gate gamping, mining, hauling, whatever. But nobody was made to do crap if they didn't want to. My alt belonged to that corp. Best time I ever had. DREKLA I think it was called. That was before I took a break. I hope they're all doing well :D
btw don't even think of making fun of my carebareness. I applied and was accepted by that corp after they killed me at a gate camp :P
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Daitetsu Minase
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Posted - 2008.12.18 22:47:00 -
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0.0 is like lowsec with bubbles and other crud I couldn't be arsed with.
Lowsec is great, but I win gatecamps on bubbles completely destroy the fun of 0 sec of small corps of industrialists with 1 pvper. (see my corp)
Lowsec is epic funs when you find a good complex or a cosmic anomaly... but you can be assured because of lowsec's relatively low population vs. 0.0 and high sec that you're less likely to get wtfganked in the middle of a looting run.
If 0 sec wasn't quite as cordoned off into the 0.0 ghetto, as I call it, and had some jumps direct from high to 0 sec, I bet it would be a LOT of fun. as it is, the gauntlet of lowsec systems, only to hit a bubble and get webbed and nuked by several battleships only to see a disco fitted ship take my pod away too is...
lame. While I understand the more strategic nature of 0.0 combat, it doesn't work well with small corps establishing even a token presence there.
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente The Crane Family
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Posted - 2008.12.18 22:57:00 -
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Once you get through the gate camps, I found it to be mostly empty. The smack is good though ... -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.12.18 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: Marlenus on 18/12/2008 23:11:05
Originally by: Aaron id like to find out what the average empire pilot thinks about 0.0.
Well, the most recent four posts on my blog at Ironfleet.com are my Notes From Morsus Mihi Space.
Short version -- out of boredom and curiousity, I took a cloaked Prowler about twenty jumps into MM space and roamed around, admiring the majestic emptiness of it all. It was my first experience of having to wait for a system I was jumping into to load onto the cluster-server.
A little excitement getting in and out, and not a lot for a solo player (which I pretty much will always be due to my lack of ability to sit at the keyboard for uninterrupted hours while on corp/alliance business) to do while there. Still, I had a lot of fun, and I thought the MM people were as quite friendly within the limits imposed by their need to kill me if they could only catch me (meep meep!).
For years I've been reading "0.0 is not as bad as they say." My cautious first impression is to agree with that. But the challenges to enjoying it for a solo player remain enormous. ------------------ Ironfleet.com |
endaler
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Posted - 2008.12.18 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmoleena Jordan Empire is play, 0.0 is work. Huge difference. If someone asked me if I would rather play or work, what would I, or anyone say to that? Being in a corp is work. Hanging with friends is play. Dealing with politics from being in a corp is work. Harassing a drama queen is play. Being gate camped is work. Not being gate camped is good.
all of you who drone on and on about how empire dwellers don't count, shouldn't bother logging in, blah blah blah... stfu. You don't pay my bills and you don't replace my **** when it's pew pew'd. You don't pay my CCP bills, and you don't count for **** in my eyes either. Get a life. Get out of 0,0 it's akin to sticking your head out of the cave once in a while.
The only thing you do in empire is earning isk, IMO earning isk (or other currency) = work. In 0.0 you have fun, you spend isk instead of earning it (well ofcourse you can earn it there aswell). Being in a corp isn't work, being in a corp is hanging with your friends. The people in the corp should become your friends you play with.
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nether void
Caldari Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.18 23:56:00 -
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I spent about a month down in 0.0 a long while back. Before warp to zero, so I'm not sure if caps were in yet. POSes were just coming in I think.
Anyway I did have some fun down there, and as a very low SP player, I found I couldn't really do anything down there, because I couldn't fly a BS. Now I could obviously go on all the corp ops, because they could take down the rats, but solo I couldn't do anything at all. And not as bad, but still bad was when there were people on, since I couldn't survive the rats solo (can't mine, can't rat), I had to join in with whatever they were doing (usually mining...kinda boring).
So I quit the game. Came back later, and now I could survive down there solo no problem (when nothing was going on I mean), but now I'm having fun getting ready for a small IPO venture, and building on the free market. I can't do that in 0.0.
Also, like others said, you just have to have a lot more disposable time to have fun down there, assuming you like to do more than just PvP all the time. And even if you do have some time, I'm not sure about other people, but at work all day I think about what I want to do when I log into EvE when I get home: mission to raise cash for part of this IPO, build some stuff, what have you, but then if you're in 0.0 you may log in and have to do something totally different, so then you don't get to do what you've been thinking about doing all day. I would imagine that's a good chunk of what people are talking about. --------------------
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.19 00:09:00 -
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You would get more people enjoying it in 0.0 if it weren't for gate camps and NBSI policies which is possibly the result of the worst kind of paranoia.
Most new players get intrigued and have a float around to see what it's all about. Often their first experience of 0.0 (if they actually make it that far) is brief and violent as their clone activates and they find themselves back in highsec where they started. It's amusing to see players from 0.0 then ask why nobody wants to go there Try asking yourself that question when you pop your next neut.
As for the solo aspect. It's human nature to want to achieve and gangs don't give that feeling of achievement. You didn't kill that player, your gang did and you just happened to lay the final blow so you got the killmail. Oh whoopee ****ing doo In a 1v1 you could be the worst pilot ever but chance always gives you the killmail in a gang fight.
Fighting has always been about honour and respect for me. I have more respect for the roaming solo PVPer in lowsec than I have for alliances in 0.0. Blobs don't earn any respect, Sov gives way too much power in your favour and battles now are all about who can field the most caps and supercaps.
Someone else mentioned it before me. If I want my CEO or alliance leader to dictate when and where I play, maybe he should be paying my subs. I pay my subs to have fun when I play, I don't pay my subs to work for someone else in game. I work in RL and get paid for doing it, I don't pay to work.
I still say that there should be more solo content in this game. I know I'm going to get the MMOG arguement here but I'll defuse that right away by saying:
Quote: Multiplayer denotes the you are playing a game that others are also playing. This does not necessarily mean you are all cooperating or teaming up.
Anyone who has played FPS deathmatches already knows this aspect of multiplayer games. Last man standing. No teams and everyone shoots everyone else. This does not make it any less a MMOG.
-- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again |
Louis deGuerre
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.12.19 00:16:00 -
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For a casual player like me, making isk in relative safety in highsec combined with the fun of FW PVP makes life good. Lived in 0.0 before and not itching to go back anytime soon. No if you're online 10 hours a day the story might be different.
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Meg Lee
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.12.19 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Dantes Revenge
Anyone who has played FPS deathmatches already knows this aspect of multiplayer games. Last man standing. No teams and everyone shoots everyone else. This does not make it any less a MMOG.
So your'e saying Quake is an MMOG?
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.19 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Meg Lee
Originally by: Dantes Revenge
Anyone who has played FPS deathmatches already knows this aspect of multiplayer games. Last man standing. No teams and everyone shoots everyone else. This does not make it any less a MMOG.
So your'e saying Quake is an MMOG?
Tell me why it isn't. The fact that you've probably only seen 2 or 3 players on one map does not mean that's all you can have. I've played a Quake DM on a LAN with 40 or so playing at once, it was absolute madness but terrific fun, you had to keep moving, if you stopped for a second to look around, you were dead. BTW: It turns even the cutest office girls into something you'd never want to see again. Geez, they swear like street trash when you kill them
The only limitation is the size of the maps. 40 on an existing large map was bad enough but a much larger map would support far more.
-- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again |
Xzar Fyrarr
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.19 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton I like to ninja 0.0, screw living out there.
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Saihras
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Posted - 2008.12.19 04:11:00 -
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Edited by: Saihras on 19/12/2008 04:13:38 Here's my story of eve so far...
Tried trial ages ago, played 6days in empire missioning/mining/trading, and saw the the whole "game" as a big grind for more isk much like many other grind mmos. Now about 20 days ago I read a story of a brave newbie who went to 0.0(providence) and was able live there with his trusty vexor ratting for income. Now I thought: "If he can do it with low SP char surely I can try aswell" also the providence holders NRDS(NotRedDontShoot) sounded interesting since it allowed neutrals in their space which makes the place like empire but without the lame concord or other restrictions, a true eve experience.
So I bought eve and started looking for a suitable corp/alliance without knowning anything really while training my skills for cruisers. Most corps had serious SP reqs so a fresh player like me just kept looking and looking untill I came across a post from AM(AegisMilitia) and was taken in by one the corporations in the alliance(RaataTech). Few days later I flew my thorax down to the hearth of the AM space, set a jumpclone just incase 0.0 isnt for me yet as I only had a thorax with some modules in cargohold and glorious 900k SP char to boot. After a while corpmates noticed I was down there in the mix doing what newbies do best: doing it wrong!. So they hauled me a can in to a safespot we have in a POS and even tanked some rats for me at the start while instructing me on how to and why chaining the rats helps etc, but getting helped too much wasnt what I wanted so when I got the chance to challence the local sanhas in my thorax alone I did. It was tricky but possible to kill most of the spawns, even so the income was better than the great missioning(L2) grind in empire and having salvaging trained helped aswell since those BS's do drop goodies. While visits of the local reds kept me keeping an eye on that local compared to semiAFK play of empire.
Now Im having no trouble in ratting with a BC(switched after a day of thoraxing) and training for BS since interestingly enough I can buy and fit one faster than even board one. So by now I am pretty used to providence life and these days spending more and more time with my old friend thorax to chase pirates/reds all around when there's no OP's going on.
There is life and freedom in 0.0. And most importantly no devs shove their rules on you, but players themselves waving the guns at you for breaking the rules they set, not that it prevents players from breaking them again and again or judging their rules or out right challenging them with superiour firepower. And thats EVE imo!
edit: Hmm should I post this on a new topic in a attempt to attract more targets, I mean people to 0.0 :/
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Ocih
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.19 04:24:00 -
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The big misconspetion is, that people have never been to 0.0 sec. Most to all players in Eve have been to 0.0 sec. They can't be tricked in to 0.0 sec. They know it's all a hustle. They know that part of the price you pay for being in a 0.0 sec alliance is you are perma war dec;ed by one pet corp or another. They know they will spend more time recovering PvP loss than they will moving forward in the game. They know better. But keep at it. Someone will show up in a Drake tommorow with big plans and be back in high sec an hr later scrounging up for another Drake. |
ingenting
20th Legion Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.19 04:27:00 -
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We have no problems in querious except the occational roaming solo/gang. Maybe you all should find a better home. _________________ - "Welcome to EVE, remember to insu *BAAOOM*... Told you, newb." |
SiJira
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Posted - 2008.12.25 22:56:00 -
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is better than living in empire because broken security status isnt broken Trashed sig, Shark was here |
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.25 23:12:00 -
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There are so many ridiculous things posted in this thread.
Buit I will respond to the person who mentioned putting a POS. If you put it in a non-Sov 3 system, and are smart, you can actually keep it alive for a long time there.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Psiri
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Posted - 2008.12.26 21:54:00 -
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Blergh, I don't see why one should bother. Unless you just so happened to find that well fed station in a quiet or well organized piece of space then it's just a pain, you have to haul everything that you wish to sell for a proper penny and you'll always have to keep a close eye on local.
0.0 just seems useless to me for anyone who's not,
a) an alliance junkie
b) a pirate
or
c) another alliance junkie trying to kill the two above
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2008.12.26 22:25:00 -
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I spent a majority of my career up till this point in 0.0. I am now an Empire Carebear, and happy for it.
For me, the problem with 0.0 life is that it requires a much bigger committment to the times you play. This may be in the form of defense, this may be in the form offence - it may just be in the amount of attention needed on the screen at all times.
In empire, I can happily mine away while reading a book or doing a paper - still accomplishing something in Eve. In 0.0, if I did the same, I'd be minus one ship fairly quickly. ----------------
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.26 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Marlenus Edited by: Marlenus on 18/12/2008 23:11:05
Originally by: Aaron id like to find out what the average empire pilot thinks about 0.0.
Well, the most recent four posts on my blog at Ironfleet.com are my Notes From Morsus Mihi Space.
Oooooh, i didn't know that one. Nice.
Come for a visit sometime :) ----------------------------------------------
Originally by: CCP Prism X In New Eden, EVE wins you.
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Illiya
Caldari GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.12.27 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt There are so many ridiculous things posted in this thread.
Buit I will respond to the person who mentioned putting a POS. If you put it in a non-Sov 3 system, and are smart, you can actually keep it alive for a long time there.
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0.0 is whatever you make of it. EVE is a terrible game solo out in 0.0. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.12.27 05:34:00 -
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Even if you really want to solo 0.0, you should join a 0.0 corp first just to learn how corps in general operate out here. You need to know this stuff just to avoid trouble.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Mal Lokrano
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.12.27 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion Well, I made the move out to 0.0 a while ago...
...and then I moved right back to Empire about 3 months later.
Why?
Here's why:
Ratting? Sure, it's awesome. Except...looting is a pain if you aren't in a Domi or marauder. And very few areas have really good rats. Still, it'd be worth it, except that you get to usually share a system with two or three others, and spawns inevitably get wiped out. Oh, and don't forget the red roaming gangs who come through about once every 2 hours, and the solo-roamers. Hope you have a safespot and a cloak, and thirthy minutes of patience while your blues get together to chase them off.
Complexes. Yippee. All I need to do is spend roughly 6 hours trying to find a complex someone else hasn't already found, and I might get a DED complex or faction spawn. But usually not.
Trading. Also known as "how to get accused of market-**** by your blues".
Hauling. Sure, just train carrier or jump freighter and you're golden. Oh, and a cyno alt, because blues think it's funny to warp you into reds who weren't there five minutes ago, or can't be bothered.
PvP. Get gang. Undock. Find other gang. If them > us, run. Else fight. If no enemy gang, camp gate.
And the players...well, it seems to me that there are two kinds of 0.0 players: really childish jerks, and really nice guys. And the jerks tend try to make everyone's lives miserable, whether or not it is necessary.
Anyway, that was roughly my impressions. I can make much more ISK trading in Empire in complete safety, while using war-decs and low-sec piracy to fulfill my PvP needs.
This is pretty much what happened to me in four months of being in 0.0.
That and the fact that we were never at home to rat in the first place so i was always completly broke. And if you left to rat or make isk you got yelled back, so i went back to empire. ____________________________________________ When going to a party with wine, women, and song. Always acertain the vintage of the first two. |
PsychoBones
Project Nemesis
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Posted - 2008.12.27 08:59:00 -
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****it.
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Thirzarr
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Posted - 2008.12.27 11:14:00 -
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0.0
Ok, my take on it as someone who occasionally goes to lowsec and so far has died every time I tried to go to 0.0 in a gatecamp (only about 5-10 times, so meh).
I dont want politics. I like to chat a little, flirt with the men of the fbi ^^. I like internet spaceships and remember the old old game 'privateer'. I love the solo-space-pilot 'flair'. I like to be able to escape from fights I could never win.
The only thing I could expect to be reasonably appealing about 0.0 would be "solo smuggler". Bringing some rare stuff to places where good prices would be paid. But... erm.... Jumping... waiting... pod... station. Frustration.
Frustration - thats what happens to non-pvp-focused players in anything but empire.
Are you guys seriously asking why some people just dont like to be frustrated? Like the ones not enjoying pvp? And no, eve is not all pvp. It does have empire space, you know.
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jst tstng
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Posted - 2008.12.27 15:42:00 -
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For anyones information I have only a couple of times flown a ship into 0.0, yes i am a coward carebear soon to be elite 0.0 pirate, and have never seen anything that looked like a gate camp, ok maybe not never. One time i traveled from highsec domain i think all the way through providence and when i was half way into catch, on my way to stain, i flew into a couple of smartbombs. Just the other day I flew from derelik through 0.0, thats about 15 jumps through 3 regions i think, to metropolis without meeting anyone. My point is, 0.0 is empty. There is actually no people there and I am moving tomorrow.
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