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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:12:00 -
[1231]
I take it the general mood in Iceland is very bad at the moment with everyone running around in circles, pulling their hair and muttering "what are we going to do?". Desperate moves are desperate.
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Amarr Hyena
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:13:00 -
[1232]
im indiffrent to ghost training (might even do it if I came about something ridiculous), but honestly CCP, what you expect with two days notice and having this go on for whatever many years?
------- ghost training Threadnaught V. |
Augtaian
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:15:00 -
[1233]
Ummh but that is why I thought this MMO was unique so lets keep it so!, Its a second mistress this EvE that occasionally you need a break once in a while especially the students and college types preparing for examples or waiting on loans or retainers moving locations/jobs/Universities c'mon.
Personally I think it should remain as it is! money revenue of course but they got a game base and they fully know most of these ghost accounts are in-game with other characters..
Leave it alone..CCP I am not really affected but I enjoy the crowd I pwe pwe and have fun with, if they decide to ply their trade in another game I may have check what ever that game is....
My 5 cents worth ... oops I haven't got a dime on me dame it...
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I m
Minmatar BWR Gamers Legion of Honor
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:16:00 -
[1234]
"We truly hope that the community will understand our actions and continue to enjoy playing EVE as much as we enjoy making it." CCP ARE YOU OUT YOUR MOTHER F***** MIND ? WHAT THE F*** SHOULD WE UNDERSTAND AND ENJOY , A SERV WITH LAG ALL THE TIME ? NERF SHIPS ? OR THIS , CCP ****ing us of money FFS , THE GAME WORK OUT THIS WAY FOR YEARS AND NOW U WANT TO CHANGE IT ? 90% of eve players have an alt FFS , THIS WAS THE ONLY BEAUTY OF THE GAMe left , FFS ...omg I so ****ed out right now X(X(X( we pay a lots of money to play this game u DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT PLAYERS OR OUR OPINIONS JUST MAKE DEV BLOGS AND FORUM THREADS MORE TO **** OUT PEOPLE X(X(X( sorry for my language but this is really outrage ... _____ STEP UP NOW ! |
Ichinomiya Chiaki
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:16:00 -
[1235]
Edited by: Ichinomiya Chiaki on 14/10/2008 08:19:24 good job ccp i'll diet my accounts 5 to 1, then you got 29.9$for two month instead 74.75$ for two month LOL
Quote: We truly hope that the community will understand our actions and continue to enjoy playing EVE as much as we enjoy making it.
FXXXXX BXXX SXXX.
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Halleck Gurney
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:16:00 -
[1236]
I'm a ghost trainer, and the reason for that is simple :
I am not happy with the state of the game but I am not ready to turn my back on it completely. Optimistically as I am, I hope for better days to come and keep my account alive and prevent my character from running hopelessly behind. I still believe this game has tremendous potential.
This decision by CCP now boils down to either being in or out.
Well, CCP, sorry to hear you are no longer interested in my periodic financial contributions ... I'm out.
Good luck with the balance sheet for next year.
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Jayne Cobbe
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:19:00 -
[1237]
Calling a feature a bug is a new one, usually it works the other way around in our business. You messed this one up, big time. Not that it's not absolutely within your rights to remove a feature if you please, but to call it bugfixing is an insult to the community, to the people that once read your description of the "now called bug, once called feature" in your knowledgebase and now get kicked in the butt. Yeah your EULA puts you on the safe side in such matters, but your attitude sucks, again big time(!).
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Bedrock
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:20:00 -
[1238]
Can all the quiters plz contract me your stuffs?
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Karma
Eve University
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:20:00 -
[1239]
... balance? it's unfair to players who actively pay and play all the time? bullocks.
when it's perfectly legal for me to create an alt-account and buy a titan-capable pilot for ISK... and buy ISK through selling GTCs... in essence buy a Titan-capable pilot for real cash... you really can't speak to what is fair or unfair in that sense.
but if we disregard legal-RMT for a bit... two players, one ghost-training, one not. the ghost-trainer leaves for a ~month to train Cruisers V or something. the playing player spends the time running missions or mining, or pvp-ing, or ... anything really. the ghost-trainer returns and is capable of flying all sorts of new cool ships, but his wallet looks exactly the same as it did before he left. the playing player has spend a month making money, and has a fat wallet. balances out nicely, does it not? ... atleast, if we disregard legal-RMT for a bit. :P
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Traxio Nacho
Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:20:00 -
[1240]
I am waiting for the
"Oh by the way guys forgot to say the next patch will cost you Ç20"
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Joskken Inx
PURE Legion Pure.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:21:00 -
[1241]
You know, I'm going to reserve further judgment on this matter until we get either some answers to pertinent questions that have been raised, or some official word on why this is being shoved through at the 11th hour. I've thought about it, and the timing seems very questionable. Original post was made during off-duty hours in Iceland (and the evening of a Federal holiday in the US, not sure where else), no follow up Q&A, hell...there's a lot about this that now I'm thinking was either a massive miscommunication or someone took an "intent" too far.
Because I just am holding on to this thread of hope that CCP taking this hardline of "it drops in 2 days tough shit" to fix this "bug" when there are MAJOR bugs unfixed...I just want to believe this is a sad joke on someone's part.
If you guys really think not only is this a bug, but it HAS to be fixed NOW...well...
I'm going to wait for more proof or a post from someone at CCP. ------------------------------------------------ "Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). |
James Marshalll
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:22:00 -
[1242]
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Tunnas
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather 1. You advertised this as an INTENDED FEATURE of the game... for years.
Got proof?
proof
Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though).
For the 201740th time: Describing what happens is not the same thing as saying it was done that way on purpose. You put "INTENDED FEATURE" in caps and rightfully so, intent is the key question. Nowhere in the guide does it say "we planned it this way" rather than (like lots of other things in Eve) "it just worked out that way".
you are reaching, first and foremost as I said before and you chose to ignore.
YOU DO NOT DOCUMENT BUGS IN A PLAYER GUIDE. Because its in the player guide and also advertised on one of the sub-pages at what makes eve unique, one can garner that they did intend for people to use it. Now granted, things change. But this wasn't something that NEEDED to be changed in 2 days time, with no warning, when there is fundamental problems in this game that have been long time coming and affect the majority of the eve universe in one way or the other.
Sorry, but as much as you try to skirt the issue the fact remains that they did document it, in multiple places. New player guides that tell players they can utilize a feature, and also advertising it on one of their splash screens as one of the unique features of eve shows that the intent is there for the users to take advantage of it.
If you want to suck up to CCP by brown nosing fine, but at least stand by them with a plausible freaking response. Remember there will be a day when what goes around comes around. (Unless of course you are a GM alt, then your just trash for trying to pass off posting as a customer)
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:23:00 -
[1243]
ccp said they would never remove this 'feature' when its cancelation slipped into the news for some update a year ago and that this would only apply to the chinese server..
well..
That is the first time ccp is bloody lying into my face and I'm really really angry about that.
Forge '07 on Sale
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chiisai sakana
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:23:00 -
[1244]
Edited by: chiisai sakana on 14/10/2008 08:23:32 1)make a bug 2)call it a feature 3)make it a selling point 4)gather players 5)say that the feature is a bug in a way that could't fool a 4 year old. 6)?????? 7)proffit
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Princess Minnie
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:23:00 -
[1245]
"That's not fair towards CCP as a service provider and it's not fair towards other players that pay a subscription but don't make use of this bug."
I was one of those subscribers that suffered from the bug where you had to buy the original game for $80. Since that bug has been fixed and new players are now provided the initial game for free, is there any chance that CCP would refund our initial outlay?
you know given that "it's not fair towards other players that paid a fee for the box but don't make use of this new free game bug."
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Joskken Inx
PURE Legion Pure.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:23:00 -
[1246]
Originally by: Bedrock Can all the quiters plz contract me your stuffs?
Nope, I'd delete it all. I'm sure you'd understand :] ------------------------------------------------ "Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). |
12433412
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:24:00 -
[1247]
Originally by: Zartoll Thank you CCP!! I agree that someone should not be allowed to train their account while their subscription is inactive no matter the so-called justification on their part. If you don't pay for gas to put into your car then your car runs out and stops... should be no different here. I never liked the fact that people were doing this and will never agree that it should have been or should be allowed. As for the people that keep stating that CCP is just a money-grubbing company, I say to you, start your own MMO and give it away for free. I do not agree with everything that CCP does but this is one decision that I whole-heartedly agree with!
the thing is car company tell you your car can go twice as far as any other one and then you get stuck in the middle of the highway, how is that for comparision, i would have never started my alt account if i knew this was coming and would have saved some effort and money
_____________________________________________________ Beware of what you want, it might want you more! |
Col Callahan
Caldari Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:24:00 -
[1248]
Edited by: Col Callahan on 14/10/2008 08:31:12
Quote: We truly hope that the community will understand our actions and continue to enjoy playing EVE as much as we enjoy making it. Torfi Frans Olafsson Senior Producer of EVE Online
No, the community will not understand your actions when you sold this as a "feature" no more then a 2 years ago to get more people to subscribe to the game so. So you are out right lining to us when you say that this has been a bug that you ignored.
Well lets step back and ask our self's why this trend started, The worlds economy is failing apart at the seems and some people can't afford 30 bucks a month or 360USD a year and more for the Euros.
Now you will see what happens when people are forced sell off there alt accounts and only can afford one account. You think your profit margin is bad now because of this trend, you ant seen nothing yet you greedy sods
Bad move Torfi, very bad indeed, but hey, its only your employees necks on the line, I'm sure Eve has already set you up for life. _
"Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though)." |
Ava Baby
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:25:00 -
[1249]
Edited by: Ava Baby on 14/10/2008 08:26:56 Edited by: Ava Baby on 14/10/2008 08:26:32 Edited by: Ava Baby on 14/10/2008 08:25:53 All this posting is pointless. It's harder to ignore phone calls
Here is a link to CCP's Company contact page and top management page
http://www.ccpgames.com/company/contact.asp
http://www.ccpgames.com/company/management.asp
Iceland Corporate Tel: (+354) 540 9100
USA 404-292-1819
Sorry CCP
Be sure to be calm about it when talking and refrain from using profanity as it will only lead to a DC
Also, the higher up you get on the chain, the likely you will see a result.
Originally by: Asestorian I support this message. Whatever it is.
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Princess Gally
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:27:00 -
[1250]
Thanks CCP! It was about time you do something against alts and multi accounts -------------ONCOMING REVOLUTION------------ Miners united. Set your Trit prices to 8.00! -------------------------------------------- |
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Llywellyn
Gallente Ordnace Research and Development
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:28:00 -
[1251]
I am going to bet, most people are going to pay up!
Personally this is fine, I already pay on my accounts no matter the time played on it.
CCP will now have a steady subscriber base and be able to make better financial projection when you donÆt have 100,000 accounts going active, inactive, inactive, activeà.. I support the change, I do recall a long time ago it was said to be a bug, back long ago before you of these whiners even knew about eve.
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:28:00 -
[1252]
Originally by: Traxio Nacho I am waiting for the
"Oh by the way guys forgot to say the next patch will cost you Ç20"
.... oh, and Ç30 to uninstall it
Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill tr |
NereSky
Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:30:00 -
[1253]
Originally by: Delos Korelian
Originally by: Jinx Barker
... ever since the "old" guard of the developers left active EVE online roles CCP customer service, CCP customer attunes, and general CCP attitude toward its player base has gone to shit.
Aint that the truth
Qft
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James Marshalll
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:31:00 -
[1254]
Originally by: Bedrock Can all the quiters plz contract me your stuffs?
Or we can just go back to the old days, you know, where you guys got T2 BPO's for free. Ohhh right, they banned the guy who found out your corp / ccp were a bunch of cheaters and they banned him for account sharing /lulz.
take some advice, you and your corp are the last hypocrites that should ever step foot in ANY forum post about ccp and bad decisions. Ahh but you know I guess all those people who felt cheated back then were just whiners too and should take it up the ass and just go with the flow.. I mean its not YOU getting screwed right?
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clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:31:00 -
[1255]
LIES
Devblog: "Ghost Training was an unintended feature where unpaid accounts of EVE Online were able to continue training skills."
But in the Official player guide
Player Guide: Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). Linkage Just in case
Even when taking a secound chance to explain the action, you still mess it up. -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box |
Hypan
Amarr Zebra Corp Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:31:00 -
[1256]
so in a year where you have removed 30 and 90 day time codes, replacing it with a 60day code for teh same price as teh old 90day one, making it more expencive to play.
you have also in your great wisdom decided to f**k even more players off and loose more accounts while you try to ring out more $ from your player base
You ccp have your heads up your arse, as your hands try to rob the content of our wallets, while mubbling s**t about design features and industry standards
Hypan
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Rinaldo Titano
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:31:00 -
[1257]
Fully agree with the move to disable the training inactive accounts
,BUT.......
It would be a right move if u would in other part give advantage to peoples which actively play, and use things in the game....If u training offline or a skill training should be unaffected, but if u fly a commandship in space, and u dont have lvl 5 u should get for this extra skillpoints.
With this move newer players would have a chance to get higher skills if they play a lot(naturally some check should be built in, not just give a curse to a ship in highsec and afk). Or for example should give extra xp after every usage of a weapon class, for example after every 100 small blaster ammo shooted..etc.
This move would show u honor your players and give an advantage on playing the game and u dont make just changes which grow your incom... after this u can say u dont greedy
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Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar Sogdian Traders Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:32:00 -
[1258]
Edited by: Stormwind Bloodfeather on 14/10/2008 08:34:09
Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
Originally by: Traxio Nacho I am waiting for the
"Oh by the way guys forgot to say the next patch will cost you Ç20"
.... oh, and Ç30 to uninstall it
Oh and don't forget the new charge being implemented on the 31st of Ç5 per forum whine post. Oh hell, i'm screwed!
Stormwind
In EVE, your only friend is your ship and it's weapons. All others are the enemy! |
Hamlin Brown
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:32:00 -
[1259]
So you have to pay to play the game, thats the idea stupid.
If you want to train skills then pay for it, don't cry like a baby when a bug is fixed. What happens if the whole player base starts doing this? We won't have a game ? Do you think the programmers work for free ?
The best things in life are free, eve is not one of them.
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Skogen Gump
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2008.10.14 08:33:00 -
[1260]
Apart from all these quitters (who ostensibly don't play anyway ?) how is this change going to effect me/my alliance/the rest of eve ?
Will this cause less lag, stopping all this Database activity ?
Basically, will this have a knock on effect that helps those of us who still choose to be here , paying to play ? If not, please CCP consider the alienation you're causing ... there are bigger and better things to be fixing that impact on the gameplay of the many thousands of accounts that do log in every day!
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