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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:05:00 -
[421]
Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth Poasting in a topic full of whiners with an entitlement problem.
I fail to see why you expect to have your skills train while not being subscribed.
Oh I dunno, maybe it was because CCP themselves told us we could.
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Master Spoonman
FinFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:05:00 -
[422]
Originally by: Vtreka
Originally by: Master Spoonman Well CCP, **** you too. I've heard you guys are even holding off on raises for your staff, too. How greedy can you guys get? How is your income even affected by the Icelandic market crash? You get paid in Euro/USD!
Ummm you do realise the whole WORLD's markets crashed right?
You do realize that Iceland's economy has crashed much greater than the rest of the world's, right? I would much rather be paid in foreign currency than Krona right now.
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Angelic Eviaran
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:06:00 -
[423]
Internet spaceship skill training is serious business.
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Col Carter
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:06:00 -
[424]
Edited by: Col Carter on 14/10/2008 01:08:39 quote=Avon] This is far more likely to be a "need" issue than a "greed" issue, but CCP can hardly turn around and say so if that is the case. Quote:
There's much more elegant methods at their disposal, ranging from different approaches in marketing via public relations to (and I am not saying this is the case) worst case scenarios like applying for compensatory grants like a multitude of other icelandic corporations who have to meet transitionary budget challenges made available in abundance currently, even if still somewhat hard to punch through the bureaucracy for). When push comes to shove in a worst case scenario, which is not the case, there would be a multitude of other options available. Ergo the problem of viewpoint, a lot of people can't see the "need" scenario as there is so many other scenarios, and for them it becomes a "greed" scenario, or "something else" (at which point the argumentation failure in the blog post doesn't help - again).
Originally by: Avon Look, they are handling this badly, but the change in itself isn't a bad one. Expecting people to pay for what they get is fair enough. Quote:
I agree, but indeed CCP can't handle things like this properly, historic track record basically. But I can understand folks who are starting to see the road a bit clearer after the GTC changes, Power of 2, this change and particularly again the manner of presentation and argumentation, for who it becomes a principle case.
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Julius Jul
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: UnDeRBaLaNcE I see a lot of fuss over this... But I have played eve since the beginning and I am not disappointed with this. I always kept my accounts active if I was training something on them I was probably using them at the same time for scouting or other task. This only creates a bunch of fuss because the people making super characters while not having to pay but get to reap the benefits after selling it. ThatĘs where I see the problem, but it does not bother me since I donĘt ghost train to sell. dons proximity suit ( Fire fighter will know what thats for )
same here - my idea is that nobody knowns what CCP realy telling is !!
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:06:00 -
[426]
Ghost training was a workaround to make long training times TOLERABLE.
Example : BS 5, BC 5, or any other long 30+ day skill, makes you feel like you're making zero progress, its just no fun at all.
Workaround : Take a break from Eve while training BS 5 or whatever. Shut off sub, go play BF2 for a month.
My objection to "fixing" ghost training : It makes you pay to TRAIN your character not PLAY your character, that is fundamentally wrong and too close to Korean MMO's for me, you know those Korean MMO's where you pay RL $$$ for items and skills.
I understand the "database infrastructure needs money" argument, but its not like you get to switch the skill and train another, you have to resubscribe to train a new one.
CCP will end up losing money on this because some ppl have like 5 alts, they subscribe sporadically to train etc based on their current needs.
All it would do is force them to cut down to 1-2 chars.
I feel that altho ghost training was not %100 ideal for CCP or players, it was a good COMPROMISE, a middle ground, like "dont ask dont tell."
I'm not happy about it but I will keep subscribing, but supporting more than 1-2 accounts now is out of the question. ---
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:08:00 -
[427]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
That was the last time they tried this. It was pulled after the patch notes thread was carpet bombed. Anyone from CCP want to keep arguing this was an unintended bug? If your search wasn't so sloppy, I'd be able to find the post where CCP rationalizes this change for EVE China because they pay by the hour or some such.
Your factual posts are good catches DC, but my Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf was much funnier.
They'll just put that down to an attempted bug fix on the test server which didn't work out.
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W4yLoUd
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:08:00 -
[428]
Well I guess I'll have to find some cash to reactivate those accounts on Wednesday.
Fortunately I put some aside in a nice little online savings account. A really well run company, with great customer service and ethics, unlike CCP.
"Icesave home
We are not currently processing any deposits or any withdrawal requests through our Icesave internet accounts. We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause our customers."
Oh crap...
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MrSatan
Caldari Winehouse Holdings
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:08:00 -
[429]
utterly fail
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Rawthorm
Gallente The Establishment Establishment
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:08:00 -
[430]
Originally by: Master Spoonman
Originally by: Vtreka
Originally by: Master Spoonman Well CCP, **** you too. I've heard you guys are even holding off on raises for your staff, too. How greedy can you guys get? How is your income even affected by the Icelandic market crash? You get paid in Euro/USD!
Ummm you do realise the whole WORLD's markets crashed right?
You do realize that Iceland's economy has crashed much greater than the rest of the world's, right? I would much rather be paid in foreign currency than Krona right now.
Not that it matters tbh. CCP takes money in USD/GBP/EUR and pays for most of its overheads in GBP. All they have to do is start paying their HQ based staff in USD and they will probably come out better than before.
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UD146326
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:10:00 -
[431]
Lol CCP u did it all wrong, you shouldn't have even told anyone, then someone training for a titan would come back to his account like 3-4 months later and flip lol..that would be epic.
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Cueball Mcfuzz
Groon Research
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:10:00 -
[432]
Conveniently posted so that 'all those stupid players will be done raging by the time we wake up in the morning.'
**** CCP.
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sdthujfg
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:10:00 -
[433]
Originally by: Rawthorm
Not that it matters tbh. CCP takes money in USD/GBP/EUR and pays for most of its overheads in GBP. All they have to do is start paying their HQ based staff in livestock and they will probably come out better than before.
fixed.
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Kif
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:10:00 -
[434]
To be fair, it does take CCP an average of 5 years to fix a bug.
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Alex Salas
BROTHERHOOD OF SPARTA Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:10:00 -
[435]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
From here.
good find
ctrl+f is anyone is interested
# On the Serenity server, skills no longer train when the owning account is deactivated. Tranquility is not affected by this change.
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Alex Salas
BROTHERHOOD OF SPARTA Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:10:00 -
[436]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
From here.
good find
ctrl+f is anyone is interested
# On the Serenity server, skills no longer train when the owning account is deactivated. Tranquility is not affected by this change.
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Cueball Mcfuzz
Groon Research
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: UD146326 Lol CCP u did it all wrong, you shouldn't have even told anyone, then someone training for a titan would come back to his account like 3-4 months later and flip lol..that would be epic.
This is close enough that you should have just gone all the way and done it, lol.
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Col Carter
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:11:00 -
[438]
Originally by: Rawthorm
Originally by: Master Spoonman
Originally by: Vtreka
Originally by: Master Spoonman Well CCP, **** you too. I've heard you guys are even holding off on raises for your staff, too. How greedy can you guys get? How is your income even affected by the Icelandic market crash? You get paid in Euro/USD!
Ummm you do realise the whole WORLD's markets crashed right?
You do realize that Iceland's economy has crashed much greater than the rest of the world's, right? I would much rather be paid in foreign currency than Krona right now.
Not that it matters tbh. CCP takes money in USD/GBP/EUR and pays for most of its overheads in GBP. All they have to do is start paying their HQ based staff in USD and they will probably come out better than before.
They're one of the few who are actually in a comfortable position to do so, especially in the light of the current need of influx on a local level of foreign currency they'd even apply for faciliation >.<
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:11:00 -
[439]
Originally by: Cipher7
Example : BS 5, BC 5, or any other long 30+ day skill, makes you feel like you're making zero progress, its just no fun at all.
Workaround : Take a break from Eve while training BS 5 or whatever. Shut off sub, go play BF2 for a month.
My objection to "fixing" ghost training : It makes you pay to TRAIN your character not PLAY your character, that is fundamentally wrong and too close to Korean MMO's for me, you know those Korean MMO's where you pay RL $$$ for items and skills.
I never understood that arguement to be honest. I do pay to play, and I can play perfectly well while my character is training long skills - skill training doesn't pause if I log on and undock.
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Danny Centurai
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:11:00 -
[440]
Originally by: Angelic Eviaran Internet spaceship skill training is serious business.
^ QFT. It is at the very heart of the game its like reversing the roles of Titans and Ibis's and expecting everyone to be happy!
CCP's EULA nicely covers their ass on the subject, however it doesn't cover their bank ballance.
'CCP reduce Lag today by reducing users tomorrow!'
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Majiir Sjet
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:12:00 -
[441]
All those respectable persons who posted here that they have not used ghost training before are either new to the game, jealous of other people for doing so or CCP employees...
Honestly, have you guys EVER trained a 60 day+ skill on your subbed time? I don't think so.
I could perhaps have lived with this if they did not take away the 90 day subscription option (now it's between a rock and a hard place at 60 days).
As for those who are asking for skill queue-ing to be instated due to this - SCREW THE QUEUE.
HOW DOES CCP GAIN FROM THIS? The dev post was brief, useless (in all respect) and pointless...
How exactly does this benefit 1. CCP 2. Other players 3. The players affected?
I thought that GTCs paid for by isk had to be paid by cash somewhere in the food chain? (that is why we have so so many secure GTC trades going on) |
Bonefish O'Hallahan
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:12:00 -
[442]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Cipher7
Example : BS 5, BC 5, or any other long 30+ day skill, makes you feel like you're making zero progress, its just no fun at all.
Workaround : Take a break from Eve while training BS 5 or whatever. Shut off sub, go play BF2 for a month.
My objection to "fixing" ghost training : It makes you pay to TRAIN your character not PLAY your character, that is fundamentally wrong and too close to Korean MMO's for me, you know those Korean MMO's where you pay RL $$$ for items and skills.
I never understood that arguement to be honest. I do pay to play, and I can play perfectly well while my character is training long skills - skill training doesn't pause if I log on and undock.
What we used to have is the option for players to either play while they train, like you're saying, OR to wait a little while for their next big toy and come in ready to go. Now, you HAVE to do it the way you're saying, to the detriment of those with limited means, casual players, and anyone who just prefers that playstyle.
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Feng Schui
Minmatar Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:13:00 -
[443]
Welp, here is to hoping I don't get bored of the game. If there is nothing to look forward to on my character, why should I come back?
Maybe to check out an expansion, but doubtful. And already killed the alt account. Downloading WAR to check it out (I am getting kinda bored, was going to give WAR a try for a month while I trained LArge Energy Turret 5.
Welp, congrats I guess... "ghost training" an alt account may not have been as profitable as an active account, but when that account was only made due to the fact.. well.. lost revenue.
Oh, and the fact that I can't lure anyone into the game anymore, since this is now not a casual friendly game.
Yea.. a company. You guys didn't shoot yerselves in the foot, you shot yourself in the head.
Project:Gank
Pilgrim Guide
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Etien Aldragoran
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:13:00 -
[444]
http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp
Quote: Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive
Congratulation on contradicting your player guide and knowledge base.
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Trzzbk
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:13:00 -
[445]
Posting this again to drive home the point that outright lying to your playerbase is a great idea:
Anybody want to put ISK on how long it will take them to edit the Player Guide?
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:13:00 -
[446]
Originally by: Majiir Sjet All those respectable persons who posted here that they have not used ghost training before are either new to the game, jealous of other people for doing so or CCP employees...
Honestly, have you guys EVER trained a 60 day+ skill on your subbed time? I don't think so.
You think I would stop playing a 70mil+ SP character just because I am training a long skill?
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roq deelim
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:14:00 -
[447]
Quote: Ghost Training was an unintended feature where unpaid accounts of EVE Online were able to continue training skills. While this allowed players to run multiple characters on a shoestring budget, in all effect, this was a bug.
sorry to say that but suddenly "ghost training" is a bug? why wasn't that a bug during the last five years? you released a bunch of addons and updates but were not able to fix that bug and suddenly you can? let me get this clear: i have one account that was inactive for one(!) month since it was created 2005..i never considered other players training while inactive as "unfair". they were outside the game and forums during that time - and thats the actuall fun in eve. playing game - nor idlein' while inactive.
i still dont know why there isn't an skill queue implemented. players are asking for it for years now and many people posted more than enough ideeas how to keep the balance while having such a feature. (i.e. limited max. queue duration, an "queue" skill that allows you to have up to 5 skills in queue (1 per skill level)...)
even i don't use ghost training it feels like a slap into the face of all your paying customers reading such anouncements..
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Tobias Lee
UK Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:14:00 -
[448]
So all those people swanning off to play jumpgate evolution release date nov btw wanted to set long skills but cant and probly wont resub to eve once if they get bored of said new game.
Hm nice one ccp maybe once we get servers back down to 5k players tops you will be giving free titans to players getting new friends back into game ill have the leviathian plz :)
Ps ooh yeah -1 alt account i was gonna do bs 4 to 5 ( thus the nerfbat hitteth)
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sdthujfg
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:15:00 -
[449]
Originally by: Etien Aldragoran http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp
Quote: Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive
Congratulation on contradicting your player guide and knowledge base.
Welcome to page 2 in this thread.
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 01:15:00 -
[450]
Alt account cancelled.
GG CCP.
Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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