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Ocean Soul
Caldari Chaos Reincarnate
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Posted - 2008.07.04 17:50:00 -
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'Exploit notification reported by: GM Grimmi | 2008.07.03 15:14:10
Flying bigger class ships than allowed by the jump gates to Factional Warfare complexes has been classed as an exploit. If you are found doing this we will be forced to take in-game actions as abusing game mechanics is not allowed.'
Ok now am I a dumbdumb, or is this suggesting that if i have a battleship (for example) I am not allowed to even warp it to a cruiser sized FW complex? Say I am new to FW and do not understand the gates grading system, i warp there and kick the crap out of some poor little guy minding his own business, he can petition me. Which could lead to disciplinary action towards me?
Is it just me who thinks this might well be CCP's dumbest statement yet? ok this is a free game where no where in space is safe, WTF!??! They are in lowsec, and doing these complex's at their own risk. 'Carebear, whine, whine, carebear, whine, they ganking me with hictors and bs and IÆm in a frig' DonÆt be dumb then, scan the complex before going to it. The ship has a scanner for a reason.
I love this game because of its ruthlessness, this is a step in the wrong direction, Pacifism is the wrong direction. You have entrance limitations to the complexes, this is more than enough to protect them.
Correct me if i am ranting about a misunderstanding, but saying that itÆs an exploit because something is happening in game that you donÆt have code for, is rather silly, sort your game out so we canÆt warp there in the first place or let it slide.
Ocean
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Unvisibility
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Posted - 2008.07.04 17:54:00 -
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No, the exploit is taking larger ships than allowed by the gate *into* the complex.
It's perfectly OK to fly BS's to the gate as long as you don't attempt to circumvent the gate system and thus actually ENTER the complex in your BS.
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.07.04 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Unvisibility No, the exploit is taking larger ships than allowed by the gate *into* the complex.
It's perfectly OK to fly BS's to the gate as long as you don't attempt to circumvent the gate system and thus actually ENTER the complex in your BS.
Read again.
"Flying bigger class ships than allowed by the jump gates to Factional Warfare"
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Th3rm
Gallente Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2008.07.04 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Unvisibility No, the exploit is taking larger ships than allowed by the gate *into* the complex.
It's perfectly OK to fly BS's to the gate as long as you don't attempt to circumvent the gate system and thus actually ENTER the complex in your BS.
As far as I know the gate keeps you out unless you have the specific ship type to enter the complex.
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Contralto
Gallente Federal Jump Clone Services
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Posted - 2008.07.04 17:57:00 -
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The gate wont permit you to warp ships larger than intended for that mission/plex. The exploit is using mwd to fly manually to the room. I have never seen this done but there was a thread complaining about the practice a few days back.
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Murk Loar
Caldari The Ex-Patriots
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Posted - 2008.07.04 18:02:00 -
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Yep.
I've used mwd t2's to get to plexes that only allow t1's in...frigs or cruisers.Time consuming,and realistically your time could be better spent elsewhere but I just wanted to see if it still counted.And it did.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.07.04 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tamia Clant "Flying bigger class ships than allowed by the jump gates to Factional Warfare"
You forgot to quote the part about "complexes has been classed as an exploit.", and as we know it's really easy to change the meaning of a sentence by leaving out parts of it.
It should be obvious that complexes that you can warp directly into with any ship class, as in those without the ship class restricted jump gates, are not in any way explicitly nor implicitly mentioned here. They are in fact implicitly _EXCLUDED_.
Thus people are confused, thinking they'll accidentally perform the exploit, while it actually requires you to nano your ship and fly (not warp) quite a distance.
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Jasmine Kiri
Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2008.07.04 18:10:00 -
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You can slowboat it into a FW complex by aligning to the way the gate points and using a MWD. All the FW complexes are a short jump from the gate, a nano-fit HAC can easily make it into a site in short time and cause general havoc on a bunch of frigs and destroyers. There is no easy quick way to describe the exploit without revaling how to do it. GM exploit notices never contain the "how-to" so they are regularly confusing as to what exactly they are forbidding.
I cannot see prohibiting bigger ships from hanging around the gate. I've been in a couple nice battles of the biggers ships getting into a scrap while the smaller ships were doing their thing in a minor complex.
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Boknamar
Gallente The Knights Trevor
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Posted - 2008.07.04 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Th3rm
Originally by: Unvisibility No, the exploit is taking larger ships than allowed by the gate *into* the complex.
It's perfectly OK to fly BS's to the gate as long as you don't attempt to circumvent the gate system and thus actually ENTER the complex in your BS.
As far as I know the gate keeps you out unless you have the specific ship type to enter the complex.
Yeah, it's supposed to. That's the point. Circumventing that mechanic is an exploit.
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Ephemeron
Anti-BoB
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Posted - 2008.07.04 18:14:00 -
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I don't see why we need ship size restrictions in the first place
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Faife
Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.07.04 18:26:00 -
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tried it once before it was an exploit cause i wanted the points for the capture
it would have taken over 20 minutes ish with a permarun t2 nano ship, so i stopped after i did the math and realized i'd get there too late
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Siddy
Minmatar Gay Nationalist Association of Amamake
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Posted - 2008.07.04 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Siddy on 04/07/2008 18:32:37
Originally by: Contralto The gate wont permit you to warp ships larger than intended for that mission/plex. The exploit is using mwd to fly manually to the room. I have never seen this done but there was a thread complaining about the practice a few days back.
i used to do hidden plexesin my AB munin with snakes way back the days.
The plex was locked and to find the key was a hassle, so you c uld fly to last stage of it in 2 hours. loot were worth it tho so :D
Wasent exploit tho, since you were allowed to enter into it in muninn. Nothing abaut the key were mentioned *G*
I guess, flying nano hell into plex is a no no :(
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Riho
Gallente Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.07.04 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Tamia Clant
Originally by: Unvisibility No, the exploit is taking larger ships than allowed by the gate *into* the complex.
It's perfectly OK to fly BS's to the gate as long as you don't attempt to circumvent the gate system and thus actually ENTER the complex in your BS.
Read again.
"Flying bigger class ships than allowed by the jump gates to Factional Warfare"
you should read AGAIN and AGAIN and thena few times more...
the talk is about the guys who MWD into lets say t1 frig plexes. you cant warp whit the gate but you can mwd into the plex and that IS a exploit ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
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Asuka Smith
Gallente The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.07.04 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Riho
Originally by: Tamia Clant
Originally by: Unvisibility No, the exploit is taking larger ships than allowed by the gate *into* the complex.
It's perfectly OK to fly BS's to the gate as long as you don't attempt to circumvent the gate system and thus actually ENTER the complex in your BS.
Read again.
"Flying bigger class ships than allowed by the jump gates to Factional Warfare"
you should read AGAIN and AGAIN and thena few times more...
the talk is about the guys who MWD into lets say t1 frig plexes. you cant warp whit the gate but you can mwd into the plex and that IS a exploit
I wish that clever gaming was still rewarded, it really ruins the EVE mood when we start going on the same railroad tracks as WoW.
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Hori To
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.07.04 18:45:00 -
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instead of saying it's an exploit they could just move the plexes away from the gate by a multiplier of 10x?
keeping track of rules and what's allowed and not is bad gameplay. |
Big Al
Stoat's Ultimate Carebear Adventure
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Posted - 2008.07.04 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Hori To instead of saying it's an exploit they could just move the plexes away from the gate by a multiplier of 10x?
Yeah, like the normal mission gates.
Clearly the devs had a reason to move them closer though... oh wait, foiled by douchebags.
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Asuka Smith
Gallente The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.07.04 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Hori To instead of saying it's an exploit they could just move the plexes away from the gate by a multiplier of 10x?
keeping track of rules and what's allowed and not is bad gameplay.
Yeah. If you are able to do it then it should be allowed and if it is not allowed you should not be able to do it. I do not want to have my grey-suited father in law standing over me while I play like a Standards and Practices lawyer on Mock The Week.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.07.04 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Asuka Smith
Originally by: Hori To instead of saying it's an exploit they could just move the plexes away from the gate by a multiplier of 10x?
keeping track of rules and what's allowed and not is bad gameplay.
Yeah. If you are able to do it then it should be allowed and if it is not allowed you should not be able to do it. I do not want to have my grey-suited father in law standing over me while I play like a Standards and Practices lawyer on Mock The Week.
Exploits discovered by CCP go:
> Someone exploits > Somehow someone at CCP notices / is informed > Exploit is declared as an exploit (- it was ALWAYS an exploit however once declared the penalties are tougher) > Exploit is fixed so that it is unable to be performed as soon as Dev's figure out the best way to fix it.
It's the same for every exploit, be it like this, or something as severe as freely duplicating items. You can't possibly believe that if it were possible to duplicate items due to a bug or unintended side effect that people should be allowed to do it ?
Anything that requires GMs to enforce will be fixed ASAP as it costs CCP $$$. It's the same reason you can't copy using alliance labs anymore, because it required GM's to finish the process. But in the short term, because programming takes time, such things are simply worked around to the best of CCP's ability.
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.04 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron I don't see why we need ship size restrictions in the first place
You don't see why because you can afford and fly Battleships and HACs. Removing gate restrictions would destroy the role that FW has given T1 frigates, cruisers, and BCs. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3) |
Viqtoria
Caldari Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.07.04 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron I don't see why we need ship size restrictions in the first place
ya have to see all ships as equal in that they represent someone at a pc clicking away trying to do stuff. If you let HACs and BS into all faction complexes alot of those people clicking away will have no role, they'll just be killed and that's no game to play.
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Davey Chase
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Posted - 2008.07.04 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Davey Chase on 04/07/2008 19:37:22 So what happens when you probe someone doing a plex/mission out?
Aint done it in a while but its still the same theory.
Also the fact still remains that its the gate that decides the size of the ship wanting to use it.
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Asuka Smith
Gallente The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.07.04 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Davey Chase So what happens when you probe someone doing a plex/mission out?
Aint done it in a while but its still the same theory.
xploit lol
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Amberfyre
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Posted - 2008.07.04 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Asuka Smith
Originally by: Davey Chase So what happens when you probe someone doing a plex/mission out?
Aint done it in a while but its still the same theory.
xploit lol
let the derailment begin!!
I see your lol and raise you lol x 5
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Davey Chase
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Posted - 2008.07.04 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Amberfyre
Originally by: Asuka Smith
Originally by: Davey Chase So what happens when you probe someone doing a plex/mission out?
Aint done it in a while but its still the same theory.
xploit lol
let the derailment begin!!
I see your lol and raise you lol x 5
I had a valid point tbh
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.04 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Davey Chase
So what happens when you probe someone doing a plex/mission out?
Aint done it in a while but its still the same theory.
Also the fact still remains that its the gate that decides the size of the ship wanting to use it.
You warp at the acceleration gate, not in the plex/mission. So if the gate allow only ship of a specific size you can enter it only with that kind of ships.
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Davey Chase
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Posted - 2008.07.04 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Davey Chase
So what happens when you probe someone doing a plex/mission out?
Aint done it in a while but its still the same theory.
Also the fact still remains that its the gate that decides the size of the ship wanting to use it.
You warp at the acceleration gate, not in the plex/mission. So if the gate allow only ship of a specific size you can enter it only with that kind of ships.
Yeah your right I apologize.
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Rhakmananoff
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Posted - 2008.07.04 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Davey Chase
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Davey Chase
So what happens when you probe someone doing a plex/mission out?
Aint done it in a while but its still the same theory.
Also the fact still remains that its the gate that decides the size of the ship wanting to use it.
You warp at the acceleration gate, not in the plex/mission. So if the gate allow only ship of a specific size you can enter it only with that kind of ships.
Yeah your right I apologize.
No, that's his left.
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Davey Chase
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Posted - 2008.07.04 20:14:00 -
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Ah crap I got ganked by a punctuation rat, and please feel free to do it again
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.07.04 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Davey Chase Ah crap I got ganked by a punctuation rat, and please feel free to do it again
I'm sure he will. He didn't complain about your punctuation, after all.
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Amberfyre
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Posted - 2008.07.04 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Davey Chase Ah crap I got ganked by a punctuation rat, and please feel free to do it again
I see what you did there.
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