Pages: 1 [2] 3 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 5 post(s) |
![Octavinus Augustus Octavinus Augustus](https://images.evetech.net/characters/907460869/portrait?size=64)
Octavinus Augustus
Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 05:25:00 -
[31]
So alliances as a whole wont be able to join FW and neither will the corporations in those alliances.
But am I supposed to read this in such a way that any pilot currently in an alliance will have to choose between being part of the alliance or joining FW?
Will it be possible for the individual pilots of CVA, U'K, Electus Matari, Star Fraction etc to join FW without having to leave their respective alliances?
If the answer to the above question is "No" I must "congratulate" CCP. If so, you'll have managed to make practically the entire Roleplaying community unable to participate in FW. Personally, I believe that this would be the biggest failure of CCP during the time I've played EvE.
Please, tell me it is no so.
Q: How do you make a disobediant Minmatar slave scream? A: Skin it and roll it in salt. |
![Karaq Peruu Karaq Peruu](https://images.evetech.net/characters/943059577/portrait?size=64)
Karaq Peruu
Warriors of the Einherjar Fimbulwinter
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 05:47:00 -
[32]
!!!!! I have been waiting sooooo long for FW and now your telling me i have to dump this small but loved alliance to play? CCP please for the love of all RPers let corps part of an alliance pledge and participate.
*Karaq mumbles something about having to agree with the imperialist pigs and noting that this wisdom and recognition must be a contagious virus because they never make this much sense.
|
![Shern Shern](https://images.evetech.net/characters/621020853/portrait?size=64)
Shern
Minmatar Delictum 23216 San Matari.
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 06:07:00 -
[33]
As people have said, small alliances have become normal, letting people preserve the individuality of smaller corps but giving them the numbers of a larger corp. I guess it might be a design issue (your faction warfare side becoming your alliance) but this does seem a real shame and I'd like to see alliances being able to sign up for their faction's side ASAP. |
![Skeltem Skeltem](https://images.evetech.net/characters/689102015/portrait?size=64)
Skeltem
Amarr Trident Future Technologies
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 06:46:00 -
[34]
I interpret CCP Greyscales dev blog so that it will always be possible to participate on an individual level. Hope it is so. Without PIE or the CVA my brethren will eventually win, but more slowly ![Razz](/images/icon_razz.gif)
|
![Scagga Laebetrovo Scagga Laebetrovo](https://images.evetech.net/characters/803753544/portrait?size=64)
Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216 San Matari.
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 06:51:00 -
[35]
I need to find someone to blame for this ammatar rp alliance I'm in...alliances being unable to participate in FW is both a strength and a weakness.
It's clearly a weakness from the points mentioned before me. I guess putting a 'holder' corp in an alliance and having all other corps leave for 'terms of duty' can work for some (quite sure this isn't possible for the territory holding alliances such as the cva).
That said, FW between corporations and individuals only - interesting.
San Matari Official forums |
![Elsebeth Rhiannon Elsebeth Rhiannon](https://images.evetech.net/characters/930317350/portrait?size=64)
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 06:55:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 15/05/2008 06:57:48 The idea where you write up THE major war (and that's where the newspieces seem to be going) and then deny participation in that to established roleplaying alliances, unless they abandon the alliance they have put years of effort in and/or gimp it seriously to go around the game mechanic limitations...
That, frankly, sounds like a major botch in design to me and one you might want to think of solving Very Soon Now.
Could someone from CCP explain what you were thinking when you decided this? I have a suspicion that if this is not just a botch, it is about wanting FW not to be for the established alliances that I read about Somewhere(tm) and if this is the case the idea has further design flaws we might want to discuss before you implement it.
-- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
|
![Rodj Blake Rodj Blake](https://images.evetech.net/characters/383783955/portrait?size=64)
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 07:20:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/05/2008 07:20:28 Not allowing corps to sign up for FW without leaving their alliances is a bigger kick in the teeth to RP even than the mutual war debacle a couple of years back.
PIE will be fine, but none of our favourite enemies will be there.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
|
![Aureleus Thaen Aureleus Thaen](https://images.evetech.net/characters/801325914/portrait?size=64)
Aureleus Thaen
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 07:29:00 -
[38]
FW will reintroduce the mainstream to EVE RP.
Just a warning though, Eve RP is a cess pool of internet drama. Because of the small community poo poo tends to slide downhill quickly, more like a IRC chatroom from the mid 90s than an MMO. Bring a thick skin if you come.
|
![Elsebeth Rhiannon Elsebeth Rhiannon](https://images.evetech.net/characters/930317350/portrait?size=64)
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 07:42:00 -
[39]
Quote: FW will reintroduce the mainstream to EVE RP.
How will it do that, if most of EVE RP cannot participate? ;)
Rodj, though -- it is quite possible, depending on how the story goes, that some of your favourite enemies will (have to) be there. Just not as an alliance. Which will, of course, totally bork us given that we lose such things as the ability to set alliance standings and to declare wars as an alliance (about half of our wars currently are against pirates and thieves in Republic space, not against Amarr enemies). But still, if we have played the loyalists-waiting-for-war for a couple of years and then the war comes... stepping out because game mechanics suck would be more of a blow to some of us than leaving EM.
-- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
|
![Hobblah Hobblah](https://images.evetech.net/characters/937358937/portrait?size=64)
Hobblah
Caldari Gradient Electus Matari
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 07:56:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Aureleus Thaen FW will reintroduce the mainstream to EVE RP.
Dear Everyone.
RP is not racial warfare or conflict.
Without understanding what RP is, joining FW is same as joining fight between any alliances/coalitions. For a lot of people it is just hope for easy kills without any RP content.
|
|
![Zefiris Zefiris](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1238494316/portrait?size=64)
Zefiris
Amarr IONSTAR Curatores Veritatis Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 08:07:00 -
[41]
CVA has been Amarr loyalist since it's beginning... what, close to 5 years now ?
We keep space in name of the Empire, for the Empire... but when the Empire needs us the most we won't be able to join without losing what has been build up for all those years ? There are a LOT of other RP alliances which have made names for themselves, became EVE history... Is it really fair to have them "die" only for design flaw reasons ?
EPIC FAIL... you've made a lot of people VERY disappointed. ![Mad](/images/icon_mad.gif) ![Mad](/images/icon_mad.gif) ![Mad](/images/icon_mad.gif) ![Mad](/images/icon_mad.gif) ![Mad](/images/icon_mad.gif) ![Mad](/images/icon_mad.gif)
*runs off to go murder some freedom fighters in the most excruciating way possible* --- God favors those who take care of themselves.
|
![Shadowsword Shadowsword](https://images.evetech.net/characters/765655996/portrait?size=64)
Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 08:12:00 -
[42]
I suppose any alliance wanting to take part as a whole in factional wafare can always create an alt corp to accept missions and rewards for them... ------------------------------------------
|
![Elsebeth Rhiannon Elsebeth Rhiannon](https://images.evetech.net/characters/930317350/portrait?size=64)
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 08:18:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 15/05/2008 08:23:43
Originally by: Shadowsword I suppose any alliance wanting to take part as a whole in factional wafare can always create an alt corp to accept missions and rewards for them...
You have no idea what we are talking about here, do you? FW will not be only about missions and rewards.
And "well you can join as an alt corp" is not really a solution to give to established 5-year-old RP, either...
-- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
|
![Tiberius Maddox Tiberius Maddox](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1655412964/portrait?size=64)
Tiberius Maddox
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 08:21:00 -
[44]
At first blush it seems like this model will likely make corporations more important and alliances less so.
|
![Rodj Blake Rodj Blake](https://images.evetech.net/characters/383783955/portrait?size=64)
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 08:25:00 -
[45]
OK, I have a related question for CCP.
Will individuals be able to sign up for FW without leaving their corporations?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
|
![Khan Rodak Khan Rodak](https://images.evetech.net/characters/555879106/portrait?size=64)
Khan Rodak
Amarr Manu Dei Vigilia Valeria
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 08:31:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Khan Rodak on 15/05/2008 08:31:20
Originally by: CCP Atropos In the current release of Factional Warfare, Alliances will not be able to compete as an entity. If they want to break up and submit to the flag of the particular Faction they like, then that's allowed.
So, ALL major entitys that have been feeding the eve storyline and backing up the main factions will have to stay out of FW. What sense does that make?!!!!!
BEsides, most people here are just ASSUMING this is meant to prevent blob fests at FW, but noone from CCP even stated that. This means that absolutly NO REASON AT ALL has been given for it to work this way. It could be simply due to lacyness on work around game mechanics (not saying it is btw).
That way, I cannot see ANY SINGLE REASON for it to be this way. If there is one reasonable reason, please tell us about it and we'll try to work it out together.
Otherwise, stop while you have time, and work it out for people who have been waiting for FW for ages to be able to take part in it. Otherwise, you're just simply releasing something to those who are not expecting it. What kind os sucess can that be?!!!!!!
Crap
New Seminarium open
|
![Shaikar Shaikar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/184399301/portrait?size=64)
Shaikar
Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 08:34:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Aralis
Originally by: CCP Atropos In the current release of Factional Warfare, Alliances will not be able to compete as an entity. If they want to break up and submit to the flag of the particular Faction they like, then that's allowed.
*sigh* So this vaunted FW is just a bit of fluff eh?
Basically, yes. ![Confused](/images/icon_confused.gif)
|
![Carinae Carinae](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1735538406/portrait?size=64)
Carinae
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 08:58:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Carinae on 15/05/2008 08:59:06 I have been in Ushra'Khan all of my Eve Career, almost four years now IIRC.
To bring out faction warfare for everyone except those in an alliance is utterly nuts!
I was looking forward to this release with great optimism and I was grinning like an ex-slave breathing his first breath of fresh free air. Now I feel like it was a dream and the slave collar has got tighter.
This is not good news. Very dissapointed.
Fighting for the freedom of all held in slavery Warrior of the Ushra'Khan Death to slavery |
![Ruah Piskonit Ruah Piskonit](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1903748241/portrait?size=64)
Ruah Piskonit
Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 09:04:00 -
[49]
Not good ----
|
![Xennith Xennith](https://images.evetech.net/characters/119909552/portrait?size=64)
Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 09:09:00 -
[50]
Im going to wait for more details before i grab the pitchfork and flaming torch, the purpose of FW as far as i can tell is to make the RP backstory a little more real for people and to allow empire dwellers to have a taste of PvP with a purpose.
FW is not really designed for the likes of CVA, PIE, EM, VV, SM, or UK. Lets be fair guys, we're going to blow each other up regardless, and we dont need FW to have a reason or a story around that conflict.
It would be nice for alliances to be able to participate easily without having to dodge around restrictions but put down the flaming torches, lets get some details first. We come for our people |
|
![Zefiris Zefiris](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1238494316/portrait?size=64)
Zefiris
Amarr IONSTAR Curatores Veritatis Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 09:12:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Rodj Blake OK, I have a related question for CCP.
Will individuals be able to sign up for FW without leaving their corporations?
bumping a very important question... --- God favors those who take care of themselves.
|
![Takal Cylotar Takal Cylotar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/587825798/portrait?size=64)
Takal Cylotar
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 09:13:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Takal Cylotar on 15/05/2008 09:14:38 Edited by: Takal Cylotar on 15/05/2008 09:13:54 Your primary goal was to build a bridge between empire and 0.0. Excluding alliances from participation does definitely not accomplish this, in fact you are building another wall.
The only reason I can imagine for this, is to avoid blobs. But frankly, this is not the way to go. There are multiple single corporations out there that can field an impressive "blob" on their own, and I don't think you want to introduce member limitations for participating corporations.
If you want to reduce blobbing you should take another route. For example: Force groups to accomplish goals in different systems at exactly the same time. ____________________
Faith is my armor and Conviction is my sword. |
![Vir Hellnamin Vir Hellnamin](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1466503647/portrait?size=64)
Vir Hellnamin
Gradient Electus Matari
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 09:16:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Takal Cylotar
The only reason I can imagine for this, is to avoid blobs.
Cannot be this (I hope, please, for real?), since there is no way you can restrict any alliance just to come to the Warfare systems and build a ****-big gate camp there... -- V.H.
"Entering MH means instant death. It's worse than 0.0. Even the asteroids shoot back." - Alex Harumichi, Gradient [GRD]
|
|
![CCP Greyscale CCP Greyscale](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1397283913/portrait?size=64)
CCP Greyscale
![](/images/icon_dev.gif)
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 09:25:00 -
[54]
Edited by: CCP Greyscale on 15/05/2008 09:26:26 Edited by: CCP Greyscale on 15/05/2008 09:25:43 Guys, this will all be covered in the next blog; there'll be more explanation there and I'm sure we'll be dealing with the issue in the comments thread. In the meantime I'm closing this thread so that we don't end up having the same conversation in two different places. Hang tight.
Edity bit: Wait, no I'm not, because I don't have mod tools Please just hold onto those thoughts and bring them up in the proper place when it appears ![Smile](/images/icon_smile.gif)
|
|
![Andrue Andrue](https://images.evetech.net/characters/857703633/portrait?size=64)
Andrue
Amarr
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 09:26:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Andrue on 15/05/2008 09:30:30 Edited by: Andrue on 15/05/2008 09:29:28
Originally by: Xennith Im going to wait for more details before i grab the pitchfork and flaming torch, the purpose of FW as far as i can tell is to make the RP backstory a little more real for people and to allow empire dwellers to have a taste of PvP with a purpose.
FW is not really designed for the likes of CVA, PIE, EM, VV, SM, or UK. Lets be fair guys, we're going to blow each other up regardless, and we dont need FW to have a reason or a story around that conflict.
It would be nice for alliances to be able to participate easily without having to dodge around restrictions but put down the flaming torches, lets get some details first.
CCP have said that it's a bridge between different playstyles and Eve needs that. I think FW is targetted (initially at least) at the solo player or the player in a small corp that is currently diddling around doing its own thing in Empire. Players in large, established alliances already have plenty of ways to get into PvP and are presumably already doing it through wardecs.
Hopefully the end-game of FW is AW (Alliance Warfare) but for now I think we need to avoid dragging too much of the current PvP and political baggage into FW. It's that baggage that puts a lot of people off not the ship loss. Sure there's a few scaredy cats around but there's also a chunk of people like me that can afford to PvP but don't because the current framework stinks.
I agree that this raises the question "What about those that that are excluded from FW?" and hopefully CCP have something for them. I would, however, point out that in the past CCP have added content that is exclusively 0.0 or at least alliance based.
At the great risk of being flamed I'm going to suggest that this time around it might be the carebear/Empire resident who gets most of the toys.
But..heck. Don't start screaming yet. We have a major audio blog tonight and Sisi to play on Saturday. If you really have a beef with the devs then call them out if you see them.
Personally I wub the devs and I fink they is jolly nice and all so I don't want them picking on my porr lickle Nighthawk ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years)
[Brackley, UK]
My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned. |
![Xennith Xennith](https://images.evetech.net/characters/119909552/portrait?size=64)
Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 09:27:00 -
[56]
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Edity bit: Wait, no I'm not, because I don't have mod tools Please just hold onto those thoughts and bring them up in the proper place when it appears ![Smile](/images/icon_smile.gif)
pwnt ;) We come for our people |
![Lord WarATron Lord WarATron](https://images.evetech.net/characters/659477430/portrait?size=64)
Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 09:31:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 15/05/2008 09:32:10
Originally by: Shadowsword I suppose any alliance wanting to take part as a whole in factional wafare can always create an alt corp to accept missions and rewards for them...
Most RP corps could not care less for isk etc. They play for fun and not for isk farmer styles of play. I can hardly imagine CVA alt corp fighting against UK alt corps, kinda destroys the image they have build up. Lets wait for the official announcement before suggesting people make up alts. --
Billion Isk Mission |
![NeoTheo NeoTheo](https://images.evetech.net/characters/868936045/portrait?size=64)
NeoTheo
Dark Materials
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 09:40:00 -
[58]
Edited by: NeoTheo on 15/05/2008 09:40:06 worst decision ever, i know lets put a expansion out that exculdes a chuck of the player base!
i was just about to take my corp in to a newer alliance (having pulled out of another), right now i might have to reconsider, and thats a shame cause pretty much no allaince = no proper 0.0 access.
Neotheo Dark Materials
Linkage
|
![Adrielle Firewalker Adrielle Firewalker](https://images.evetech.net/characters/280662273/portrait?size=64)
Adrielle Firewalker
Minmatar WASTELAND MINERS Inc.
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 09:41:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Adrielle Firewalker on 15/05/2008 09:42:54
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 15/05/2008 06:57:48 The idea where you write up THE major war (and that's where the newspieces seem to be going) and then deny participation in that to established roleplaying alliances, unless they abandon the alliance they have put years of effort in and/or gimp it seriously to go around the game mechanic limitations...
That, frankly, sounds like a major botch in design to me and one you might want to think of solving Very Soon Now.
Could someone from CCP explain what you were thinking when you decided this? I have a suspicion that if this is not just a botch, it is about wanting FW not to be for the established alliances that I read about Somewhere(tm) and if this is the case the idea has further design flaws we might want to discuss before you implement it.
What Else said. And when we agree, you know something's not right. In all honesty though, I can't think of a solution to it, and I remember reports coming back from the Fanfest 2006 that this is how they planned Factional Warfare. People weren't happy then either, but obviously they didn't have much of an option for stopping the major power blocs in Eve from winning the 'war' for one particular faction and then ruining the fun for everyone, without gimping the 'little guy' RP alliances.
I'm siding with those alliances, even though it won't affect my corp (which is unlikely to join due to carebearness anyway). I've very much been looking forward to this feature since I first heard about it, and so much effort is going into ramping up the story arcs in preparation to it, that is seems silly to have something that is predominantly designed (or at least comes across that way) for RPers only to severely limit the number of them that can participate. Just how many of the empire RP community are not in alliances? 25%? Less? ================
~Adrielle
Original MinmatarT |
|
![CCP Ginger CCP Ginger](https://images.evetech.net/characters/716674719/portrait?size=64)
CCP Ginger
![](/images/icon_dev.gif)
|
Posted - 2008.05.15 09:48:00 -
[60]
Originally by: CCP Greyscale Edited by: CCP Greyscale on 15/05/2008 09:26:26 Edited by: CCP Greyscale on 15/05/2008 09:25:43 Guys, this will all be covered in the next blog; there'll be more explanation there and I'm sure we'll be dealing with the issue in the comments thread. In the meantime I'm closing this thread so that we don't end up having the same conversation in two different places. Hang tight.
Edity bit: Wait, no I'm not, because I don't have mod tools Please just hold onto those thoughts and bring them up in the proper place when it appears ![Smile](/images/icon_smile.gif)
you lose Greyscale.
I have comments on this but ill wait until the dev blog
|
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 [2] 3 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |