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Evanda Char
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.14 21:26:00 -
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It's sounding very much like it's going to be impossible for alliances as a whole to sign up for factional warfare, which to my mind is a negative thing.
So will it be possible for the individual corps in an alliance to sign up for factional warfare without leaving the alliance?
CCP Ginger, in the past, has outlined a vision of Eve where the atmosphere is immersive - where it doesn't matter if a corp or alliance is RP-oriented or not, things just come down to your actions and their effects.
If alliances could sign up to fly the flag for a faction, they and corps doing likewise could be added to the list of entities belonging to a faction, blurring the line between "PC" and "NPC" which is so immersion-breaking.
If alliances have to break up to enter FW, it will result in loyalist RP entities being forced to become vastly weaker than 0.0 territorial alliances, above and beyond the factor of there being a hell of a lot less players who RP than those who do not in any MMORPG.
Hmm... So, what are the reasons behind alliances being unable to sign up for FW? I've always sort of got the impression that there's something up with the fundamental code for alliances, given that use of allied POS facilities has never worked, nor the ability to deploy for alliance, then there's CONCORD shooting for firing on an alliance mate. But is this the reason? Or are there play-driven reasons why alliances in FW would be a Bad ThingÖ?
Any thoughts?
-Eva-
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Seviere
Caldari XBeyond
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Posted - 2008.05.14 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: Seviere on 14/05/2008 21:37:47 Never understood why alliances exist anyway Standings between corporations should be enough imo. Have bigger corps instead of alliances with dozens corps and half of them empty.
Originally by: Evanda Char
... If alliances could sign up to fly the flag for a faction, they and corps doing likewise could be added to the list of entities belonging to a faction, blurring the line between "PC" and "NPC" which is so immersion-breaking. ...
Can't understand why ˝blurring the line between "PC" and "NPC" which is so immersion-breaking+. From a rp prespective, what do you do to npc's... pretend they don't exist? Wouldn't it be better to find clever ways to interact with npc's and somehow add up to the immersion instead of pretending they don't exist?
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Majelvey
Gallente Vox de Lucis
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Posted - 2008.05.14 21:58:00 -
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I agree with Seviere. The fact that the line between NPC and PC is becoming blurred is a good thing. If you think of every character in eve as a person that you're playing with or against then the immersion is stronger than ever.
NPC's become a significant force in the universe instead of just shoulder up avatars that say the same 3 lines. To me, that makes it easier to become immersed in. |
Alora Venoda
GalTech Giant Space Amoeba
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Posted - 2008.05.14 22:07:00 -
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unless a devblog specifically says otherwise, i don't think a corp will have to leave an alliance to declare allegiance to a given faction. if an alliance can't as a whole declare such allegiance, its member corps should be able to without leaving... just like a corp member can declare individual allegiance to a faction without switching to an NPC corp. ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless.
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Polcor Rodal
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.14 22:16:00 -
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Not exactly sure if this matches the topic, but here are my 2 isk:
The whole factional warfare is being implemented because the game concept of forming big alliances, claiming space etc. is well ... becoming a dead horse for several reasons.
For those who don¦t want to be parts of this, eve has not much to offer. After having trained all relevant skills do grind lvl4 with only one eye on the screen you basicly hit the wall.
PvP has been nerfed in several ways over the last years, so eve has been devided into two parts, High sec PvE (yes, i know, there are wardec¦s and sucide ganking...) and 0.0 PvP. Both parts are becomming more and more boring over time.
So basicly we have the dreaded situation of the "devided" EVE universe PvP and PvE. Factional warfe is the attempt to bring both world together again, without forcing the people into one of each playstyles (at least not permanently)
Also the nearly complete absence of any effect of the background (his)tory or choice of race doesn¦t add more flavour either.
So factional warfare is the CCP¦s way to bring EVE back to life (or at least long enough to pay the bills for the WoD project).
The old game concept might be sacrified for that or at least needs a refresh.
As i said just my 2 isk (it really getting late here)
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Faife
Noctiscion Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.14 22:28:00 -
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I want to fly factional missions for the goons. Please to make this arranged.
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Alora Venoda
GalTech Giant Space Amoeba
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Posted - 2008.05.14 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Polcor Rodal Not exactly sure if this matches the topic, but here are my 2 isk:
The whole factional warfare is being implemented because the game concept of forming big alliances, claiming space etc. is well ... becoming a dead horse for several reasons.
For those who don¦t want to be parts of this, eve has not much to offer. After having trained all relevant skills do grind lvl4 with only one eye on the screen you basicly hit the wall.
PvP has been nerfed in several ways over the last years, so eve has been devided into two parts, High sec PvE (yes, i know, there are wardec¦s and sucide ganking...) and 0.0 PvP. Both parts are becomming more and more boring over time.
So basicly we have the dreaded situation of the "devided" EVE universe PvP and PvE. Factional warfe is the attempt to bring both world together again, without forcing the people into one of each playstyles (at least not permanently)
Also the nearly complete absence of any effect of the background (his)tory or choice of race doesn¦t add more flavour either.
So factional warfare is the CCP¦s way to bring EVE back to life (or at least long enough to pay the bills for the WoD project).
The old game concept might be sacrified for that or at least needs a refresh.
As i said just my 2 isk (it really getting late here)
Pol
well, the "lacking middleground" which FW will heavily boost, is empire PvP (ie- lowsec). small corps or individuals that want to casually PvP basically have nowhere else to go besides lowsec, or dangerous runs through 0.0. what factional warfare will bring is an environment and purpose for small scale PvP other than pirating or the implicit "just because".
also it will provide an avenue by which non-PvP players can begin to develop some PvP skills. since they would avoid piracy and 0.0 alliance operations, there isn't really any place for them to PvP apart from what FW offers. in some ways this is similar to the battlegounds in WoW, where even the biggest carebears can engage in PvP. and like what happened in WoW, as people started using them, the other PvP outlets (ie- "world PvP") greatly declined.
but in EVE, it really depends on how much ISK can be made. currently there are empire pvp corps that just want to PvP for fun, and depend on ransoms and pirating to make a living. if they could rake in ISK through FW and get to blow up other players at the same time, I am sure they would fully embrace it.
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Sir Drake
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Posted - 2008.05.14 23:30:00 -
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tbh i welcome any attempt to keep the alliances out of FW. It wont be helpfull at all to have hardened PvP vets in on this if you want to bring the normal mission runners/empire dwellers towards PvP as it would just discourage them.
------------------------------------------------------- Sig was removed due to derogatory comments towards a group of people. -Karl Chroimcer
I like that.
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Liang Nuren
Black Sea Industries Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.14 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Drake tbh i welcome any attempt to keep the alliances out of FW. It wont be helpfull at all to have hardened PvP vets in on this if you want to bring the normal mission runners/empire dwellers towards PvP as it would just discourage them.
What if we want to play?
-Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved. |
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CCP Atropos
C C P
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Posted - 2008.05.15 00:10:00 -
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In the current release of Factional Warfare, Alliances will not be able to compete as an entity. If they want to break up and submit to the flag of the particular Faction they like, then that's allowed. This may change in the future, of course, since we're going to be watching the game impact and developments of this very closely.
That's not to say it doesn't have something for them to accomplish though. The new lines being drawn open new markets and oppurtunities. Enterprising Corporations and Alliances can profit from being able to shift larger amounts of hardware and have the financial backbone to fund various projects in the new warzones. New market hubs will appear as the trade routes suffer and there will be increased demand as conflict rages. It's really what you make of it
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Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.15 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos In the current release of Factional Warfare, Alliances will not be able to compete as an entity.
Will corporations be able to participate without having to leave their alliance?
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CCP Atropos
C C P
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Posted - 2008.05.15 00:19:00 -
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Yes. Not in the initial release, no.
CCP Greyscale will be releasing more details over the next few days with his Factional Warfare DevBlogs, so rather than steal his thunder and potentially cloud the issue, I'll bow out of this thread.
Needless to say, I think FW will be pretty damn good, and I urge you all to check it out on Singularity when playtesting begins!
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Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.15 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos
Yes. Not in the initial release, no.
Thanks, that's all I wanted to hear! You just made over 600 players in EM, U'K, PIE, VV and others very happy!
And now unhappy, sorry! - CCP Atropos
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CCP Atropos
C C P
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Posted - 2008.05.15 00:29:00 -
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Err, wait. I totally misread that. What I thought I read was "will corporations be able to compete without having to disband" or something along those lines. This they can do, but for Alliances this isn't the case.
If you read my previous post, I said that Alliances would not be able to compete.
Originally by: CCP Atropos In the current release of Factional Warfare, Alliances will not be able to compete as an entity. If they want to break up and submit to the flag of the particular Faction they like, then that's allowed.
See, right there.
I'm apologise for misreading the post, this is exactly what I was attempting to avoid, so I'll rapidly depart and hope I haven't made too many enenmies!
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.15 00:51:00 -
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Tbh i don't want to see whole alliances taking part in faction warfare. No 50 carrier + 2 titan blobs at special faction warfare places please.
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Night Tripper
Es and Whizz
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Posted - 2008.05.15 00:55:00 -
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Factional warfare is probably just about timed right. I get the feeling a lot of 0.0 is on the verge of getting bored with slow motion outpost ping pong.
I'd recommend to everyone to savour these last moments of our current Eve, because I think factional warfare potentially will fundamentally change the dynamics of this game for ever.
Don't be too steady with getting some of the other factions included, such as Thukkers and Syndicate , don't want to see the big four get too much of a head start.
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Liang Nuren
Black Sea Industries Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.15 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Tbh i don't want to see whole alliances taking part in faction warfare. No 50 carrier + 2 titan blobs at special faction warfare places please.
PRETTY Please!!!
BTW, Some of the larger corps in Eve are able to field 30+ carriers and multiple supercaps on any given night... just an FYI.
-Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved. |
Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.15 01:12:00 -
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Edited by: Arkady Sadik on 15/05/2008 01:12:28 Goonswarm, the currently biggest alliance, has a total of 5047 members. GoonFleet has 2660 pilots. Which is more than most alliances have. Get it out of your head that "alliance = big, corp = small." It's wrong.
There are alliances like Electus Matari, Ushra'Khan and Vigilia Valeria that have existed for years now, working for their respective factions in various ways. This means that we either disband alliances that have been home for a long time just to be able to participate in FW, or find some funky reason why we big loyalists don't care about the wars the guys we're loyal to fight. Not good. :-(
But thanks, CCP Atropos. I prefer a clear "no" to no information. At least we can start discussing what to do with this now.
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Solusar
Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.15 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Night Tripper Factional warfare is probably just about timed right. I get the feeling a lot of 0.0 is on the verge of getting bored with slow motion outpost ping pong.
I'd recommend to everyone to savour these last moments of our current Eve, because I think factional warfare potentially will fundamentally change the dynamics of this game for ever.
Don't be too steady with getting some of the other factions included, such as Thukkers and Syndicate , don't want to see the big four get too much of a head start.
The majority of the RP'ers in EVE are members of some sort of alliance, alliance corps will not be able to take part in FW if im reading this right. I highly doubt any of those alliances are going to disband purely for FW so I can't reallys ee any fundamental changes coming about due to this in its current form.
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Liang Nuren
Black Sea Industries Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.15 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Arkady Sadik Edited by: Arkady Sadik on 15/05/2008 01:12:28 Goonswarm, the currently biggest alliance, has a total of 5047 members. GoonFleet has 2660 pilots. Which is more than most alliances have. Get it out of your head that "alliance = big, corp = small." It's wrong.
There are alliances like Electus Matari, Ushra'Khan and Vigilia Valeria that have existed for years now, working for their respective factions in various ways. This means that we either disband alliances that have been home for a long time just to be able to participate in FW, or find some funky reason why we big loyalists don't care about the wars the guys we're loyal to fight. Not good. :-(
But thanks, CCP Atropos. I prefer a clear "no" to no information. At least we can start discussing what to do with this now.
Best of luck solving that one. :-/
-Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved. |
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.05.15 01:37:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 15/05/2008 01:37:52 Alliances need to be worked into the system as soon as possible.
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If alliances have to break up to enter FW, it will result in loyalist RP entities being forced to become vastly weaker than 0.0 territorial alliances, above and beyond the factor of there being a hell of a lot less players who RP than those who do not in any MMORPG.
This is the key point of Eva's.
IT is no big deal for PIE, but PIE is probably the only one of the RP alliances (and small alliances are the norm, not the exception) who can say it is not an issue. And for groups like CVA... well you just told them that they have to choose between being able to effectively control their space and participating in faction warfare.
Thats not a good thing.
Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public' |
Kuzya Morozov
Gallente The Older Gamers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.15 01:57:00 -
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Electus who?
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2008.05.15 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Evanda Char It's sounding very much like it's going to be impossible for alliances as a whole to sign up for factional warfare, which to my mind is a negative thing.
i think its a good idea too keep it that way too. this is not a alliance war nore should it end up being taking over buy alliance factional fighting amongs themselfs becouse thats how it will end up being. your alliances are are empires of there own and should be seen that way. this is war as in empires vs empires you are being called too fight for your people and its empires glory. i only hope we can affect them map buy enlarging our race empires on the eve map for real.
Originally by: Evanda Char So will it be possible for the individual corps in an alliance to sign up for factional warfare without leaving the alliance
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i say no, you picked your empire too serve with your alliance.
Originally by: Evanda Char CCP Ginger, in the past, has outlined a vision of Eve where the atmosphere is immersive - where it doesn't matter if a corp or alliance is RP-oriented or not, things just come down to your actions and their effects.
thats right your actions are now with a alliance wich is basicly a wonabe empire. some people have too leave there countrys too fight for what they belive in. like the yanks did in ww1 befor the us joined the war and this is being atmospheric & immersive i feel. my worse enomy yesterday in eve might end up being my wing man and ali. this too me is doing a GOOD JOB AT MIXING THINGS UP as you put it, atmospheric & immersive.
Originally by: Evanda Char If alliances could sign up to fly the flag for a faction, they and corps doing likewise could be added to the list of entities belonging to a faction, blurring the line between "PC" and "NPC" which is so immersion-breaking.
who wonts this faction war fair too end up being a alliance only fight like we already have now.. thats not mixing things up very well.
Originally by: Evanda Char If alliances have to break up to enter FW, it will result in loyalist RP entities being [b]forced to become vastly weaker than 0.0 territorial alliances, above and beyond the factor of there being a hell of a lot less players who RP than those who do not in any MMORPG.
you dont have too quit your alliance/corp too fight in a foren war. you would just be sining up for fighting for your nations of birth i would think.
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Aralis
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.15 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos In the current release of Factional Warfare, Alliances will not be able to compete as an entity. If they want to break up and submit to the flag of the particular Faction they like, then that's allowed.
*sigh* So this vaunted FW is just a bit of fluff eh?
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Surreptitious
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.15 02:10:00 -
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PIE is so good for this game in so many ways and yet your making the entire organization choose between 0.0 or faction warfare. Or so the existing system would seem. Theye the single biggest contributor to roleplaying and possibly the EVE story line, please include them in both aspects of the game.
Hopefully the dev blogs will prove our concerns are baseless.
Syrup
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Callthetruth
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.15 02:18:00 -
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well i can see u want to avoid blobs v blobs CCP wants to keep it small or medium scale. So alliance or empire seems fair enoguh
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Liang Nuren
Black Sea Industries Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.15 02:28:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 15/05/2008 02:30:13
Originally by: Callthetruth well i can see u want to avoid blobs v blobs CCP wants to keep it small or medium scale. So alliance or empire seems fair enoguh
Sure, keep thinking that. Then the Tri breaks up and you see a capblob of 20 supercaps and 250 carriers from DORM taking over factional warfare. DORM, btw, is a corporation.
Then you have smaller roleplaying alliances that might be able to manage a hotdrop of maybe three carriers.
The issue here is not alliances vs corporations.
-Liang
Ed: It occurs to me that Goonfleet, DICE, or CELES might be a better choice of corps. -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved. |
A Belief
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Posted - 2008.05.15 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Ed: It occurs to me that Goonfleet, DICE, or CELES might be a better choice of corps.
just wanna say I think it's unlikely Goonfleet will drop out of Goonswarm just to hot drop carriers in Factional Warfare
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Liang Nuren
Black Sea Industries Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.15 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: A Belief just wanna say I think it's unlikely Goonfleet will drop out of Goonswarm just to hot drop carriers in Factional Warfare
Don't you read CAOD? Goonswarm is failure cascading... and so is BOB and every other major alliance. ;-)
-Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved. |
RedLion
Caldari Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.15 05:19:00 -
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Epic fail by CCP. Waning to become more and more like big brother Blizzard? Well f.. that!
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