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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.24 03:21:00 -
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Quote:EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the recruitment channel. This channel is intended for those players looking to find a new corporation, as well as those looking to enlist new players. Other activities, such as non-recruitment discussion is not permitted. No scamming is allowed in this channel and this includes, but not limited to, using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam. As per subject, we ask everyone to use their best judgment before contracting assets or ISK as part of corporation's recruitment process and any deals made or finalized outside this channel are done at your own risk and responsibility.An additional recruitment source is the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center section of the forums.
So what gives, why are you going down the road of prohibiting scams? I understand why character and timecode scams are not allowed, due to the fact that they involve the purchasing of services from CCP, but recruitment? Really? This rule is vague, it is selectively enforced and it goes completely against the spirit of the game. This rule also doesn't stop players from scouting out corporations to infiltrate and rob blind, it doesn't stop recruiters from looking for saps to recruit and gank - it is specifically targeted towards one type of scam. So I ask, why the double standard? Remove this rule. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2173
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Posted - 2012.02.24 03:29:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Stop being a fool.
Only noobs use this channel and a scam there can literally deprive CCP of future funds.
It is a tradeoff. There has to be SOME protection of newer players due to the issues leading to difficulty getting into proper grouping that can help them advance (Not all want to go to Eve Uni)
Stop using the word "sandbox" every time you get stopped from abusing systems intended to help newer players.
"New players" don't tend to have 20b in the wallet, T3s gathering dust and 50M SP, hope that helps. The recruitment channel isn't exclusively used by new players.
"53 mil sp amarr focused, looking for mission corp in CALDARI space, 20 member minimum, US TZ, no pvp, not interested." "played this game for 7 years, have in excess of 100m sp and want to sell alliance. toon and isk so convo me if interested"
Yeah, that channel isn't exclusively used by newbs. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2173
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Posted - 2012.02.24 03:40:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Andski wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Stop being a fool. ..... hope that helps nope and your an arrogant idiot. waah, waah, waah, I believe I'm entitled to everything and overturn rulings, just like all other rational systems implemented by CCP.
You are one of those who believes suicide ganking, scams and any sort of non-consensual PvP is bad for the game. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2175
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Posted - 2012.02.24 03:54:00 -
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Ocih wrote:CCP hates you. They hate hate hate your corp, they hate your alliance, they hate your smelly little dog, Toto too.
They want you to die in a horrible, smelly, festering, hate filled pit of hate and contempt.
Mostly they just hate you though.
Oh yea, Stuffs. Now.
That 1 billion ISK you paid for a vanity alliance ticker is surely paying off.
Akirei Scytale wrote:I disagree with scamming newbros, as well as disagree with blanket bans for behavior like this.
I feel that the whole "scamming new players" thing is just something that the ~anti-griefer~ crowd likes to harp on about. What defines a "new player?" How is a new player even worth scamming?
My experience is that scams see much more ISK going the other way - I've seen newbies in my alliance scam 70M SP bittervets out of ISK and ships in their first week. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2175
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Posted - 2012.02.24 03:59:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:I disagree with scamming newbros, as well as disagree with blanket bans for behavior like this.
I'm pretty torn TBH, but this CCP decision is indeed on a slippery slope. It would be nice to design a "corp finder" with similar functionality to the agent finder so the channel itself could be free game again, but thats not a tiny task.
My point is, there are much better ways to ensure new players have positive first experiences with EVE than this. There are many paths to removing these restrictions. #1 Is this http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Possibly_Practical_POS_Performance_Proposal_%28CSM%29 fully modular permissions and divisions will mean the spy and thief threat can be better managed so noobs will be in demand again instead of shunned as potential spiez. There are other good ideas as well. So its not slippery slope. Its a temporary band aid.
That doesn't even apply outside of wormholes, and really, a perfectly viable solution exists in feeder/training corps. It's also not relevant. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2180
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:05:00 -
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Taedrin wrote:Because the recruitment channel is an official CCP moderated channel, and as such scamming is not tolerated there. Not to mention that the recruitment channel is part of the NPE, which is sacred to CCP.
Great, then restrict its access to new players. Sound solution. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2180
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:06:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:Now see here, uh... Hair Face. The recruitment channel is intended for recruitment and although you Goons are notorious recruit scammers, you will have to find your own channel to scam in.
Jita local is intended for chat. So much for that! "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2180
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:14:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:I question how long you have seriously been playing EVE if you don't consider the huge issues of corp theft and it's effect on newer players relevant.
Regardless for the time being the rule is needed. Stop whining.
Corp theft happens when incompetent CEOs and directors hand out roles willy-nilly. And why is the rule necessary? It is not. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2180
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:40:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:TH;DU; Stop being arrogant selfish kids who believe you have better rights over the entire playerbase.
Naturally you'd be just happy if suicide ganking was suddenly made bannable, your opinion is thus irrelevant because you're another "anti-griefer" carebear. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2183
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Posted - 2012.02.24 05:52:00 -
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Aiwha wrote:This is not in any way new.
et tu?
it's old news, but it's about trying to get some light on this again "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2183
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Posted - 2012.02.24 06:52:00 -
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Anya Ohaya wrote:Xystance wrote:This is the classic slippery slope.
The inside of your hollow head is a slippery slope. The relevant metaphor would be bad money drives out good. If scamming was allowed in the recruitment channel, then the recruitment channel would soon become only scams, and as a result it would be useless to everyone.
scamming had been allowed in the recruitment channel for years, fyi "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2184
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Posted - 2012.02.24 07:45:00 -
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Parthonax wrote:Oh dear oh dear You had a temporary ban from that scan a few weeks back didn't you and now feels CCP violated your ego disagreeing with a rule doesn't mean I got banned, oops
Parthonax wrote:I hate to burts your bubble but even a sandbox has and need rules, and we all need to stick to those few simple rules even white trash goons "white trash goons"
sorry pubbienax, get out of my thread
Parthonax wrote:You broke one of those rules by using the recruiting channel with the sole purpose of scamming someone Doesn't matter if the victim was a 2 week old player or a 3 year old veteran ( his own stupidity for falling for a scam like that) you people would even scam a 2 week old newplayer if you had the chance just because you can and have absolute no sense of fair play and have this notion that you are untouchable And if you really expect that CCP is going to make exceptions for the goons alone you are wrong
Thank God Goons have one braincell more than a dog or they would hump each other legs
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2184
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Posted - 2012.02.24 10:39:00 -
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testobjekt wrote:To protect new players against scams, i would like for CCP to implement a giant red warning to be mailed to new accounts reading: "TRUST NOONE, especially goons"
fyp (I don't trust goons myself HEH) (except the mittani, the most trustworthy man in eve) "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2184
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Posted - 2012.02.24 10:43:00 -
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GM Spiral wrote:I was directed to this thread shortly after I updated the current MotD of the Recruitment Channel a few minutes ago.
To be succinct: 1. Scamming is not forbidden in EVE unless they are facilitated through bugs, exploits and the like. Likewise, if they are conducted in such a manner as to violate the ToS or EULA they will be stopped. 2. The onus of responsibility was always on the shoulders of both parties involved in recruitment. It was stated so in the MotD even, although it did not receive much attention. If the recruit or recruiter got scammed or betrayed in any way, it would be their responsibility for having entered into the deal. 3. For the simple purpose of keeping the channel somewhat usable, posting scams into it was considered off topic and therefore forbidden. Updating the MotD to emphasize this then spun into the current situation, which should now be (hopefully) clarified.
Thank you for clarifying the situation, friend! I'll buy you a beer when I go to the post-Jove expansion Fanfest. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2185
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Posted - 2012.02.24 10:58:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:Andski wrote:
scamming had been allowed in the recruitment channel for years, fyi
So what? Lots of things used to be allowed and are now not allowed. Anyone else remember the lofty scam? I personally love the Goonswarm recruitment scam, it never gets old. I also believe that Goonswarm will still get lots of successful recruitment scam victims. Recruitment is a CCP-made channel, not player made. So just like the Rookie Help and Help channels, CCP can setup special rules in these channels if they so wish. It's like you can't can bait in rookie starter systems but you are allowed to can flip in any other system. The sandbox is not broken by this and the sky is not falling.
GM Spiral clarified the channel policies. I personally agree with the "don't advertise in the channel" rule - people trying to sell their 1.2b ISK PLEX in the channel would not allow us to find potential recruits! "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2194
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:04:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:Im a little torn here... I hate scam.... but.... ppl that want to join goons getting scamed .... I have no problem with that
You're aware that a lot of people in your new alliance are scammers, right? Especially the ISRAD guys - goons never change~ "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2194
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:11:00 -
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Parthonax wrote:m!m
goon tears the best tears If you really think that you and your alliance can stand above the rules and therefore have a cart blanc to harras and grief anyone you like you are wrong There some good people in your alliance aswell but in general you goons just act like spoiled little brats who cry murder if the rules or game mechanics work against them and you get caught Like i said before even a sandbox need rules end of the discussion you broke the rules you pay the penalty
ugh forum alts "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2196
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:39:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:So the practical outcome will be that if you do get scamed, then tough luck and you don't get your stuff back, but at least the scammers themselves will be punished. Do I have that right?
Correct, they'll be punished with the burden of having your ISK/assets. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2196
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:47:00 -
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Why would a senior GM not be explicit about such a thing? Subtly implying it will end up with him getting swamped with escalations when things go wrong - if using the channel to find people to scam was not allowed, he wouldn't hint towards it, he'd be very clear about it. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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