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Vrizuh
Eve Defence Force Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:01:00 -
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So, what evolutionary defect made so many races enjoy asymmetrical ship designs? I mean, I get that it is space and you don't need symmetry or aerodynamics, but people still expect some degree of symmetry and "order".
Else why have your pod "simulate" sound in space?
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:02:00 -
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It's gettin' hot in here...
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:20:00 -
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Great first post!
Actually, not really. Get a corp. ----------------- Friends Forever
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Fogy
Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Cosmosa Magellan Ah, but I'm not sure that the sudden decrease in pressure would be enough (proportionally) to create such a dramatic effect...obviously there would be significant damage to the orifices and make one's last several minutes very unpleasant, but I'm not sure it would be enough to make one's blood literally boil.
Only one way to find out: send up Michael Jackson's pet monkey on a rocket and depressurize it. I recommend MJ's for this since it's already been named appropriately. :)
I'm a scuba diver.. If i stay at depth of 30 meeters, for 1 hour i'w gone past what is considerd safe with the conserns of gasses binded into my boddy.. now if i did a rapide accent, the surounding preasure will rapidly fall, and the gasses will turn from liquid form in my body to gass form within my boddy..
It's like having a bottle of coca cola, when the cap is on and it's still sealed.. the preasure in the little air space inside is equal to the preasure in the liquid.. when you open it, the preasure in the air space is lover than the liquid causing the carbondiocide to disolve from it..
The same happens in your body when a rappid fall in preasure happens around you.. like if you were to be trown out of a air lock without any protection suite. Gases would disolve and you'd gett what is commonly named a bense.
theoreticly.. you'r skin can actually "boil" from all the gass disolving in it.. so can your bones, blood, brain, fatt tissues.
Did you know astronougths in the ISS station exercise and breath high % of oxygen befor they go outside on a mission? This is to reduse the nitrogen lvl's in theyr boddy.. wich is the gass that actually causes bens.
Cheers! Fogy
"From my rotting boddy flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity"
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Orivanna
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Orivanna on 15/10/2007 23:42:52 Edited by: Orivanna on 15/10/2007 23:39:52
Originally by: Vrizuh So, what evolutionary defect made so many races enjoy asymmetrical ship designs? I mean, I get that it is space and you don't need symmetry or aerodynamics, but people still expect some degree of symmetry and "order".
Else why have your pod "simulate" sound in space?
Symmetry would still help to get your center of mass right. As it is they need different thrusts on different arm lenghts from the CM...eegh, what's the point?
EDIT: Also, fundamentally different laws of physics would be noticed by the colonists.
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DeODokktor
Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmosa Magellan 2. Transfer of Heat I hope that ths matter is corrected or at least acknowledged in the near future. Thankyou for your time, CCP!
As it's been said before..
Go jump out an airlock.. and upload it to U-Toobe so we can see if you do indeed die....
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Orivanna Also, fundamentally different laws of physics would be noticed by the colonists.
A handful of them maybe. Most would never be piloting spacecraft to notice. Add in some corporate whitewash to avoid panicking the consumers and you have as good an excuse as you need.
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Orivanna
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: DeODokktor
Originally by: Cosmosa Magellan 2. Transfer of Heat I hope that ths matter is corrected or at least acknowledged in the near future. Thankyou for your time, CCP!
As it's been said before..
Go jump out an airlock.. and upload it to U-Toobe so we can see if you do indeed die....
You spelled You Tube wrong. According to scientific research done by Wikipedia, there is only one way to spell You Tube, and everyone who spells it differently must be an arts major because they don't care for science.
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Orivanna
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Adonis 4174
Originally by: Orivanna Also, fundamentally different laws of physics would be noticed by the colonists.
A handful of them maybe. Most would never be piloting spacecraft to notice. Add in some corporate whitewash to avoid panicking the consumers and you have as good an excuse as you need.
I think everyone would notice that the space outside of their ships has suddenly turned into sugar syrup for pancakes. The demand for pancakes would rise considerably.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Orivanna
Originally by: Adonis 4174
Originally by: Orivanna Also, fundamentally different laws of physics would be noticed by the colonists.
A handful of them maybe. Most would never be piloting spacecraft to notice. Add in some corporate whitewash to avoid panicking the consumers and you have as good an excuse as you need.
I think everyone would notice that the space outside of their ships has suddenly turned into sugar syrup for pancakes. The demand for pancakes would rise considerably.
Well yes. It was the resulting universal indigestion which overloaded the eve gate in the first place. ----- Visible Implants - good for so many occasions |
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Vrizuh
Eve Defence Force Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Orivanna Edited by: Orivanna on 15/10/2007 23:42:52 Edited by: Orivanna on 15/10/2007 23:39:52
Originally by: Vrizuh So, what evolutionary defect made so many races enjoy asymmetrical ship designs? I mean, I get that it is space and you don't need symmetry or aerodynamics, but people still expect some degree of symmetry and "order".
Else why have your pod "simulate" sound in space?
Symmetry would still help to get your center of mass right. As it is they need different thrusts on different arm lenghts from the CM...eegh, what's the point?
EDIT: Also, fundamentally different laws of physics would be noticed by the colonists.
My god, you're right. There are PRACTICAl reasons to make ships not look irritatingly asymmetrical. Everytime I see one of those stupid designs I think to myself: "What are you trying to do CCP, bludgeon me with the 'oh look, its space, no aerodynamics' thing?? Doesnt hold much water with me when you got webbed deceleration, shuttles knocking dreads off alignment etc"
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Orivanna
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Posted - 2007.10.15 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Vrizuh
Originally by: Orivanna Edited by: Orivanna on 15/10/2007 23:42:52 Edited by: Orivanna on 15/10/2007 23:39:52
Originally by: Vrizuh So, what evolutionary defect made so many races enjoy asymmetrical ship designs? I mean, I get that it is space and you don't need symmetry or aerodynamics, but people still expect some degree of symmetry and "order".
Else why have your pod "simulate" sound in space?
Symmetry would still help to get your center of mass right. As it is they need different thrusts on different arm lenghts from the CM...eegh, what's the point?
EDIT: Also, fundamentally different laws of physics would be noticed by the colonists.
My god, you're right. There are PRACTICAl reasons to make ships not look irritatingly asymmetrical. Everytime I see one of those stupid designs I think to myself: "What are you trying to do CCP, bludgeon me with the 'oh look, its space, no aerodynamics' thing?? Doesnt hold much water with me when you got webbed deceleration, shuttles knocking dreads off alignment etc"
Well, I guess Art Major =! Science Major (No offense to anyone), and the art department was more concerned with unique designs than scientific applications. At least we are not flying chilche sci-fi ships.
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Luigi Thirty
Caldari 19th Star Logistics
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Posted - 2007.10.16 00:09:00 -
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Edited by: Luigi Thirty on 16/10/2007 00:10:52 I'm sorry, I can see nothing wrong. Please try to think before you make accusations, Mr. Magellan. ---- DOMINIX IS INVINCIBLE:(((( |
Some Caldari
Caldari Sanguine Raiders
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Posted - 2007.10.16 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mazzarins Demise
I'm sorry but when I read your topic, it was the only thing I thought of.
Objection! ------------
Originally by: Banana Torres Gurls are overrated, they nick your money and hurt your ears. Just so you can have limited access to their soft and squishy bits.
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Ryoji Tanakama
Caldari Daikoku Fleet Shipyards
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Posted - 2007.10.16 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmosa Magellan
Originally by: Winterblink The boiling blood thing comes from the thought that sudden exposure to the lack of pressure in space would cause the dissolved gases in your blood to expand rapidly (essentially a tech2 variant of the bends).
Which would blow.
Ah, but I'm not sure that the sudden decrease in pressure would be enough (proportionally) to create such a dramatic effect...obviously there would be significant damage to the orifices and make one's last several minutes very unpleasant, but I'm not sure it would be enough to make one's blood literally boil.
It should be very rapid. Consider that at the peak of mount everest the pressure is low enough that water boils at approximately 60 degrees c (so you can't make a decent cup of tea!!!). You drop this to for-all-intents-and-purposes a pressure free environment and deposit a liquid like say... blood... into it, all nicely pre-heated to just under 40 degrees c....
It boils really quickly.
~Ryoji Tanakama
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.16 02:52:00 -
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Photons more specifically xray and UV.
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Dr Ming
Mindworks
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Posted - 2007.10.16 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmosa Magellan
My References:
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum#Outer_space 2. Unfortunately I was unable to find a source for this but an article exists on Slashdot.org 3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature#Temperature_of_the_vacuum 4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature#Second-law_definition_of_temperature 5. http://www.eve-online.com/background/potw/jul01-02.asp
Wikipedia and Slashdot?
Yea, that combination of scholastic integrity is packed full of epic win.
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2007.10.16 03:38:00 -
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Edited by: Maglorre on 16/10/2007 03:38:23 And just to be a little pedantic, it's "kelvin", not "degrees kelvin" as some of you have used.
Sorry, but the incorrect usage makes me hot under the collar.
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Toohotforyou
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Posted - 2007.10.16 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Cosmosa Magellan or radiation poisoning.
eh?
The sun spews out these things called photons. On Earth, we only receive low energy photons because the high energy photons are filtered out by the ozone layer, the Van Allen radiation belt, and Earths magnetic field. In space, you don't have any of these nifty things. When a high energy photon hits a molecule of your DNA, DNA Damage can occur. Now, consider that the number of high energy photons that collide with your DNA molecules in space is OVER NINE THOUSAND!!?!?!?!, you body has a tough time repairing all that damage. When your body can't keep up, you can get cancer, the affected cells die or go irreversibly dormant.
If this happens enough, stuff happens and you die.
So what you're saying is EVE causes cancer right.
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2007.10.16 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Cosmosa Magellan or radiation poisoning.
eh?
Haha! Mephysto and I were trying to work out the equivalent amount of TNT required by the firing of one Antimatter L round, the other day. Counterpoint to that is the use of Nuclear and Depleted Uranium rounds for Projectiles and such. How the crews don't get instantly irradiated and die a horrible death at the start of combat I don't know.
How I can't tell you -there are some possibilities if you really want to know- but solar systems are filled with really, really nasty radiation that, when you're not protected by the atmosphere and magnetic fields of a planet, will kill you in a matter of weeks. It only takes a small fraction of the lethal dose to cause all sorts of birth defects and there are civilians spending there lives in space so they obviously have some type of highly affective radiation shielding. Presumably military ships are even further hardened so it wouldn't be at all unrealistic to assume that these ships can protect their crews from the ration of a few nukes, assuming that you accept that they can protect the crews from the usual background radiation.
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Pudnucker
Boennerup Banden
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Posted - 2007.10.16 07:11:00 -
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It's a Sci-Fi internet spaceships game for ****'s sakes.
You log in, and do stuff.
l2physics
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an internet
Duragon Pioneer Group GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.16 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Snake Doctor
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: YunFu Yan
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: YunFu Yan
Originally by: Winterblink Don't even get me started on the inefficiencies of having like 500 explosive devices to disconnect the front of the ship from the back.
You have other ideas to counter the inertia of a few thousand tons of steel in a matter of seconds?
It makes sense if you think about it... well infact it doesn't... you'd need ALOT MORE explosives.
One much larger explosive device, with a single point of failure instead of 500 points of failure?
Or how about a set of clamps and some...I dunno...engines. They're all the rage on spaceships today.
Engines can only output so much force. It'll take time to accelerate something as large as the bridge section of that ship. So no good as an emergency device.
One single, much larger explosive device, while applying the same force in the same timeframe, would work towards a much smaller area of the bridge. You'd have to built that area to basicly withstand a counterforce equal to the inertia of both parts of the ship.
Uhm well this isnt a huge problem. You simply put the guns on suspension with some sort of damp and/or feather system.
Depends on the system- Firing an XL railshot would do nearly nothing in terms of recoil, since the kinetic energy of the launch is transferred to an expense of electrical energy in the rails.
Arty's would pose quite a problem. A shot of XL arty would send your ship spinning wildly out of control, unless you had a retro to counter the blast. Even some sort of gimbaled mount is going to exert a force on the ship. You could mix a gimbaled mount and a buffer spring of some sort to soften the blow, but the shot may still send you flying.
Wrong, you'd always have recoil, no matter what the propulsion mechanism. Kinetic energy isn't transferred into electrical, electrical energy is used to provide a force, or electrical energy is converted into kinetic via a not so efficient process. But the rails are also pushed, with the exact force on the projectile, in the opposite direction of the round.
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Cortei
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Posted - 2007.10.16 08:56:00 -
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Bah
If a ship got punctured and you weren't in a space suit...
1.) Mouth shut and air in lungs= ruptured lungs and drowning from blood.
2.) ruptured sinus cavities and air pockets (ie ear drums)
3.) frozen eyes/mouth going down to stomach/lungs
4.) You went into shock by step 1 or 2 depending on circumstances and are out by 3 at the latest due to the brain shutting down from the trauma. At most five seconds of pain and then nothingness. Death might follow minutes later, but you wouldn't care because you wouldn't know.
Want proof and some grisly info, look at the beginning diving suit autopsies from before they put in dead-switches that maintained pressure if the air pump shut off. They blacked out almost instantly from the shock of the pressure change. Sure their body ended up being sucked/pushed up the hose and died up to a minute later, but they already blacked out before that.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2007.10.16 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Cortei Bah
If a ship got punctured and you weren't in a space suit...
1.) Mouth shut and air in lungs= ruptured lungs and drowning from blood.
Do you think you could keep your mouth shut under those forces? More likely it = air forced from your lungs through your mouth. ----- Visible Implants - good for so many occasions |
Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.16 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Cosmosa Magellan or radiation poisoning.
eh?
Haha! Mephysto and I were trying to work out the equivalent amount of TNT required by the firing of one Antimatter L round, the other day. Counterpoint to that is the use of Nuclear and Depleted Uranium rounds for Projectiles and such. How the crews don't get instantly irradiated and die a horrible death at the start of combat I don't know.
radiation takes a few hours to kil the person. That is what DT is for, crew replacement.
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Shadowfax2121
Gallente Black Lance Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.16 10:03:00 -
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1. Event Horizon was a interesting movie.
2. Can someone please find the article for his second source for the large 'hole' that was found? I am quite interested in reading about this
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.16 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowfax2121 1. Event Horizon was a interesting movie.
2. Can someone please find the article for his second source for the large 'hole' that was found? I am quite interested in reading about this
You realize you're just begging for someone to send you to goatse, right? :)
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2007.10.16 11:27:00 -
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Linkage
NASA scientist, backed up by NASA doctor, on various common misconceptions of space. Including the human body in a 0 pressure environment.
Quote: Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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