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Soljisk
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Posted - 2007.04.27 00:52:00 -
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Edited by: Soljisk on 27/04/2007 00:55:35
Why does everyone and their grandma HAVE to gang up on me or in general. I like to fly around in low sec and toll people its so-so money but its fun to do. Today I tolled a drake and a ferox for 32 mil not that great but anyhow back to the point, after i tolled the drake he then calls upon his friends who think its such a really cool idea to get about 10 ppl to chase me around, wow big surprise right?
So after they attempt to catch me in my fleet stab and fail, (even though they got a scram on me at a gate and they all got at least a few shots in before i could move out of scram range, doing no more than 500 dmg lol.)
I move onto another system where i found a ruppie forgot to switch the ammo type on him, and had to let him go, 10 minutes later he and about 5 other ppl are trying to gang up on me outside a station, i didn't die, of course, but still, where are the glorious 1 on 1 battles? Is everyone in EVE spineless to do a 1 on 1 anymore?
Moved from General Discussion. -Ivan K
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.27 00:54:00 -
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1. WALL OF TEXT BAAD. 2. Dude, if you go around with a fleet-issue ship people are going to gang up to blow you up just for the killmail. Also, you're a pirate or have pirate tendancies, and non-pirate tend to take unkindly to that. <sig> IBTL! IBDS! IBTC! 1st in a BoB Post! And other such forum tom-foolery. Join my Corporation! |
Stakhanov
Shih Yang Tong
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Posted - 2007.04.27 01:04:00 -
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Fleet stabber for pirating , hmmm consider that you gave them the idea to ransom it back
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Sachry
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2007.04.27 01:11:00 -
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Why do people blob? Because other people blob.
Why do they blob? Because they are awful.
There are a lot of awful people in this game, so get used to the blobs.
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Marquis Dean
Energy. Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.04.27 01:29:00 -
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I... I don't understand this thread. So he's a pirate ransoming people... and he doesn't like that people attacked him?
This is surely a joke thread.
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Originally by: Tista i dont like you much but i'm going to agree with you on that.
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Vim
Spiritus Draconis Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2007.04.27 02:39:00 -
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I ransomed a retriever mining on its own in lowsec the other day. I'am such a bloody pirate.
There it was, 15k of warpin... I couldnt resist but locked, scrammed and shot it down to struct. I'll be darned if I didnt overransom it alittle with me asking for a promise of the capsuler to keep an eye on local and scanner in the future as well as one isk.
People tell me I'am just trying to winback some eve karma for all the bad things I've done
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Forum Alt
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.04.27 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: Soljisk Edited by: Soljisk on 27/04/2007 00:55:35
Why does everyone and their grandma HAVE to gang up on me or in general. I like to fly around in low sec and toll people its so-so money but its fun to do. Today I tolled a drake and a ferox for 32 mil not that great but anyhow back to the point, after i tolled the drake he then calls upon his friends who think its such a really cool idea to get about 10 ppl to chase me around, wow big surprise right?
So after they attempt to catch me in my fleet stab and fail, (even though they got a scram on me at a gate and they all got at least a few shots in before i could move out of scram range, doing no more than 500 dmg lol.)
I move onto another system where i found a ruppie forgot to switch the ammo type on him, and had to let him go, 10 minutes later he and about 5 other ppl are trying to gang up on me outside a station, i didn't die, of course, but still, where are the glorious 1 on 1 battles? Is everyone in EVE spineless to do a 1 on 1 anymore?
Are you seriously complaining because people don't like it when you act like a jackass?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.04.27 06:00:00 -
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The guys blobbing you probably had more fun working together trying to catch you than you did trying to avoid them solo. Its a mmorpg, so playing with others makes it more fun. Its not cowardly to blob people, its just natural behavior to minimize the risk.
Duels are hard to find in Eve, and are often decided by modules, ships and character skills more than player skill itself it seems.
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Kiviar
Caldari Dirty Sanchez Ltd
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Posted - 2007.04.27 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
The guys blobbing you probably had more fun working together trying to catch you than you did trying to avoid them solo.
Nothing beats hunting and bringing down bigger ships in a frigate wolfpack.
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Dread Operative
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.04.27 06:09:00 -
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Gang bangs are the new spaceship fetish.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2007.04.27 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: Soljisk Edited by: Soljisk on 27/04/2007 00:55:35 [..]Today I tolled a drake and a ferox for 32 mil not that great but anyhow back to the point, after i tolled the drake he then calls upon his friends who think its such a really cool idea to get about 10 ppl to chase me around, wow big surprise right? [...]
You are suprised he wanted to kill you after you forced him to pay you 32 mill, and that he decided to bring friends..??
Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
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Seth Dark
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Posted - 2007.04.27 06:36:00 -
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Fair 1 vs 1 battles are a myth. They never existed. There is always many vs 1. Or Uber-ship against underdog.
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Ivan Kirilenkov
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.04.27 06:48:00 -
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Trolling removed. Please stay on topic.
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Buck Starchaser
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Posted - 2007.04.27 07:03:00 -
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I believe the correct term is "ransoming" not tolling... Furthermore you've made this thread, most likely, because people in game give you only negative feedback for the immature behaviors you present them beyond your noobish pirating adventures. I say noobish because you definately attack solo and unquallified oponents rather than going to actual 0.0 where you know the people will be more likely to be skilled and equipped for combat. That ship is fully capable, in the hands of a GOOD pilot, to take on several ships simultaniously and win rather than retreat and go whining on forums about how people have friends that want to play with them and you don't. Grow a spine and test yourself against the riggors of deep space.
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Tarock Sharn
Caldari Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.27 08:52:00 -
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why on earth would someone pay 32m ransome for a Drake? Have they not heard of insurance.
If you came across me you get your kill mail and be hunted down by my CORP that is all.
hehehe
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Falacious Micutoe
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Posted - 2007.04.27 10:13:00 -
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Edited by: Falacious Micutoe on 27/04/2007 10:11:27 dude you must be having a laugh, you do realise that tolling people is just a scummy way of getting ISK, you earn it, not steal it, the EVE universe is for everyone, INCLUDING low sec and 0.0, not just for big egoed jerk offs who think people should pay them for entering "their" space, and the fact that they ganged you is perfectly fine, just the other day i was ganged in my maelstrom by 4 BoB command ships, but i didn't ***** about it, if you tried to toll me, i'd sramble you and blast you out of the sky and then scramble your pod till you payed up for me sparing it (BoB tactics for ya)
earning ISK is simple, destroy somthing and get a payoff, pirateing does this, mercing does it, freight does it, even getting a stealth ship and stealing ore from miners is earning it in a nastier but quite fun way.
take heed young one, and maybe you wont get destroyed by an alliance you ****ed off by "tolling"
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Ovno ConSyquence
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.04.27 11:02:00 -
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Jebus, from the responces in here you'd think you were the first person to ever try and ransom someone..... |
Stakhanov
Shih Yang Tong
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Posted - 2007.04.27 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: Stakhanov on 27/04/2007 11:35:29
Originally by: Tarock Sharn Edited by: Tarock Sharn on 27/04/2007 08:52:42 Why on earth would someone pay 32m isk ransome for a Drake and a Forex have they not heard of insurance?
If you came across me in my drake you get your kill mail lots of junk tech 1 bits and be hunted down by my CORP with me in my nice brand new Drake paid for by insurance. I mean it costs $7m to insure a drake and maybe 36m to one up and runing with a basic set up. The risk to me is only 6m...
So no ransom for me mate just grief.
It might be a rigged drake , with a rack of arby / T2 launchers and stuff. A drake is worth fitting well , but then it becomes a friggin faction ship. Speaking of which , I didn't know a fleet stabber was strong enough to pick on a drake... well maybe it's just a crap setup and the owner was indeed silly to pay
Now , onto the flaming...
Originally by: Buck Starchaser I believe the correct term is "ransoming" not tolling... Furthermore you've made this thread, most likely, because people in game give you only negative feedback for the immature behaviors you present them beyond your noobish pirating adventures. I say noobish because you definately attack solo and unquallified oponents rather than going to actual 0.0 where you know the people will be more likely to be skilled and equipped for combat. That ship is fully capable, in the hands of a GOOD pilot, to take on several ships simultaniously and win rather than retreat and go whining on forums about how people have friends that want to play with them and you don't. Grow a spine and test yourself against the riggors of deep space.
Quiet , you. No point losing such a faction ship to some random 0.0 blob. It *might* escape light (less than 20 people) bubble camps at best...
Real PvP is in lowsec. I see ships fending off several others daily - mine , my corpmate's , my enemy's. The OP attacked targets that could be a real threat if properly fitted ; his point is that they chose the easy (and futile) way of blobbing instead of refitting to bait and counter.
You definitely don't know what you're talking about. The OP showed professionalism and courtesy by collecting ransoms instead of killing , consider he placed himself at risk since they did have friends that came to help - just way too late. This kind of interaction is much more significant than any lagged 0.0 slugfest.
Originally by: Falacious Micutoe dude you must be having a laugh, you do realise that tolling people is just a scummy way of getting ISK, you earn it, not steal it, the EVE universe is for everyone, INCLUDING low sec and 0.0, not just for big egoed jerk offs who think people should pay them for entering "their" space, and the fact that they ganged you is perfectly fine, just the other day i was ganged in my maelstrom by 4 BoB command ships, but i didn't ***** about it, if you tried to toll me, i'd sramble you and blast you out of the sky and then scramble your pod till you payed up for me sparing it (BoB tactics for ya)
earning ISK is simple, destroy somthing and get a payoff, pirateing does this, mercing does it, freight does it, even getting a stealth ship and stealing ore from miners is earning it in a nastier but quite fun way.
take heed young one, and maybe you wont get destroyed by an alliance you ****ed off by "tolling"
Your condescending tone is laughably out of place. The occupation of pirates and alliance guards is to take ISK / loot from whoever enters their turf , it's a perfectly fine way of life. No , Eve is not for everyone , it's for anyone who can adapt.
You aren't qualified to tell people what is a legit way to earn ISK and what is not. Anything that increases wallet ballance is a valid profession.
Originally by: Ovno ConSyquence Jebus, from the responces in here you'd think you were the first person to ever try and ransom someone.....
QFT
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Jebe Noyon
SolaR KillerS
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Posted - 2007.04.27 11:55:00 -
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It's always good to ask a bit bigger ransom. I for instance ransomed a Drake at the station for 50kk ISK. You shouldn't underestimate the shock factor, that bear gets when scrambled. That dude was trying to shoot me back instead of docking. I asked him about the insurance and his answer was he was just lazy to get new mods so he just gave me his ISKies.
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Rillion Myers
Gallente Hell's Horsemen Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2007.04.27 14:39:00 -
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You are ticked that some one stood up to you? Let me guess, you had vastly more xp and tech than the guys you ransomed, and that is glorious?
In WWII German panzer tanks were much better than allied tanks. That is why the allies BLOBED them. The average engagement had 1 panzer vs. 5-13 allied tanks. Should the allies have fought more fairly?
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DarkElf
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.27 14:53:00 -
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i wouldn't really generalise all of eve players by that limited experience tbh. the chances are the ppl that do that are not serious pvp'ers. random npc'ers with crappy setups and skills need to gang up on ppl to kill them. their goal was probably just to kill you, not have a challenging fight, and for ppl without much pvp experience even a gank is an adrenaline rush.
So the answer is that nobody HAS to gang up on you as you say, but most ppl would rather be completely safe and guarantee that you won't win the engagement by ganking instead of risking their ship in a challenging fight. if you meet serious pvp'ers you will notice a difference.
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jimmyjam
Gallente Turbulent
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Posted - 2007.04.27 15:02:00 -
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Ive had a lot more more then 10 people chase me.If they are trying to kill you and you dont give them what they want they will go away.And the things you said about 1 v 1 and all of eve is spineless dont make such a general statement.Some people still 1v1 myslef included.
Metagaming is a broad term usually used to define any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, |
Agent Li
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Posted - 2007.04.27 15:21:00 -
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Apparently, the OP has never been in a real fight in real life.
Sorry, in real life, people rarely square off, and fight one on one according to Queensbury rules.
In real life, if you start a fight when your friends aren't around, and they have friends, they will monkeystomp you just for fun.
Sure, the police will show up - but only after you look like the inside of a rubbish bin.
EVE is very much like that. Fail to take the proper precautions, and you get monkeystomped.
You're lucky that you're ok with running away. Maybe you should find some friends to run with. ------------------
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Buck Starchaser
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Posted - 2007.04.27 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Stakhanov
Now , onto the flaming...
Originally by: Buck Starchaser I believe the correct term is "ransoming" not tolling... Furthermore you've made this thread, most likely, because people in game give you only negative feedback for the immature behaviors you present them beyond your noobish pirating adventures. I say noobish because you definately attack solo and unquallified oponents rather than going to actual 0.0 where you know the people will be more likely to be skilled and equipped for combat. That ship is fully capable, in the hands of a GOOD pilot, to take on several ships simultaniously and win rather than retreat and go whining on forums about how people have friends that want to play with them and you don't. Grow a spine and test yourself against the riggors of deep space.
Quiet , you. No point losing such a faction ship to some random 0.0 blob. It *might* escape light (less than 20 people) bubble camps at best...
Real PvP is in lowsec. I see ships fending off several others daily - mine , my corpmate's , my enemy's. The OP attacked targets that could be a real threat if properly fitted ; his point is that they chose the easy (and futile) way of blobbing instead of refitting to bait and counter.
You definitely don't know what you're talking about. The OP showed professionalism and courtesy by collecting ransoms instead of killing , consider he placed himself at risk since they did have friends that came to help - just way too late. This kind of interaction is much more significant than any lagged 0.0 slugfest.
Nah, the risk he put himself into was minimal. That's why attacking random people in low-sec LOWERS your security status. It's illegal there for a reason. People go there because they are not ready to handle the NPC's in 0.0 but they are looking for a bigger challenge with rats or better ore to mine. Most of the people in .4 or less don't realize that someone will try to kill them and they don't know how to fit their ships to counter it so there's allways that bully-boy that will try and capitalize on that. Shame on you. Furthermore gatecamps are easy to get around for anyone moderately skilled or those who have the guts to try. Especially in a fast ship like that. It looks like most of the cheezy griefers have left for low-sec right after the tripple WCS vagabond stopped working though and I think that is great. Keep up the good work CCP. Looks now most of the unclever pirates have gone to low-sec where their targets are much less likely to scram and web them. Furthermore "give me money or I'll blow up your ship" is never professional nor courtius. It's just the laziest way to get money since you get the cash you want without doing any of the work. It also seems you're afraid of being blobbed... well that is common with someone to scared to try 0.0. The truth be that MOST of the people in 0.0 are out on their own and the blobs are easy to spot before they come after you. Most people flying solo are doing so because their friends are AFK or not near them. Attacking one in a system full of his corpmates is safe more than not since he might be too panicked to scream for help and if he does only a few people will be paying attention and scrambling for ships so you get bonus targets in a quite mannageable stream Generally it's the hot-shots that come to the rescue that have the best loot BTW. As for your "you definately don't know what you're talking about" my stats this week so far are 20 kills 1 loss (that loss was to kill 2 recon cruisers and an interceptor+pod). My most commonly flown ships: Thorax or Dominix T1 kit only, and I'm fully willing to loose my ship as long as I can have some fun and a challenge.
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LastTraitorStanding
Amarr The Imperial Assassins Slammer's Republic
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Posted - 2007.04.27 15:59:00 -
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Umm... waahh? --------------------------------
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Kather
Turbulent
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Posted - 2007.04.27 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Buck Starchaser
stuff
ah, the old, 'you only fight in low sec cos you're scared of 0.0 argument'
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Aegri Metron
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Posted - 2007.04.27 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Buck Starchaser
Originally by: Stakhanov
Now , onto the flaming...
Originally by: Buck Starchaser I believe the correct term is "ransoming" not tolling... Furthermore you've made this thread, most likely, because people in game give you only negative feedback for the immature behaviors you present them beyond your noobish pirating adventures. I say noobish because you definately attack solo and unquallified oponents rather than going to actual 0.0 where you know the people will be more likely to be skilled and equipped for combat. That ship is fully capable, in the hands of a GOOD pilot, to take on several ships simultaniously and win rather than retreat and go whining on forums about how people have friends that want to play with them and you don't. Grow a spine and test yourself against the riggors of deep space.
Quiet , you. No point losing such a faction ship to some random 0.0 blob. It *might* escape light (less than 20 people) bubble camps at best...
Real PvP is in lowsec. I see ships fending off several others daily - mine , my corpmate's , my enemy's. The OP attacked targets that could be a real threat if properly fitted ; his point is that they chose the easy (and futile) way of blobbing instead of refitting to bait and counter.
You definitely don't know what you're talking about. The OP showed professionalism and courtesy by collecting ransoms instead of killing , consider he placed himself at risk since they did have friends that came to help - just way too late. This kind of interaction is much more significant than any lagged 0.0 slugfest.
Nah, the risk he put himself into was minimal. That's why attacking random people in low-sec LOWERS your security status. It's illegal there for a reason. People go there because they are not ready to handle the NPC's in 0.0 but they are looking for a bigger challenge with rats or better ore to mine. Most of the people in .4 or less don't realize that someone will try to kill them and they don't know how to fit their ships to counter it so there's allways that bully-boy that will try and capitalize on that. Shame on you. Furthermore gatecamps are easy to get around for anyone moderately skilled or those who have the guts to try. Especially in a fast ship like that. It looks like most of the cheezy griefers have left for low-sec right after the tripple WCS vagabond stopped working though and I think that is great. Keep up the good work CCP. Looks now most of the unclever pirates have gone to low-sec where their targets are much less likely to scram and web them. Furthermore "give me money or I'll blow up your ship" is never professional nor courtius. It's just the laziest way to get money since you get the cash you want without doing any of the work. It also seems you're afraid of being blobbed... well that is common with someone to scared to try 0.0. The truth be that MOST of the people in 0.0 are out on their own and the blobs are easy to spot before they come after you. Most people flying solo are doing so because their friends are AFK or not near them. Attacking one in a system full of his corpmates is safe more than not since he might be too panicked to scream for help and if he does only a few people will be paying attention and scrambling for ships so you get bonus targets in a quite mannageable stream Generally it's the hot-shots that come to the rescue that have the best loot BTW. As for your "you definately don't know what you're talking about" my stats this week so far are 20 kills 1 loss (that loss was to kill 2 recon cruisers and an interceptor+pod). My most commonly flown ships: Thorax or Dominix T1 kit only, and I'm fully willing to loose my ship as long as I can have some fun and a challenge.
That sounds like fun... You wouldnt mind telling about what region this is? So far my 0.0 experiences has been ****ty :)
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Sunabi
Caldari Xynomorph Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.27 16:15:00 -
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Yes, the idea of that gang was to catch you and then ransom you for the total amount you'd extorted out of everyone
And if I hadn't been AFK when you came through the gate I could've gotten my two webs on you
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Buck Starchaser
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Posted - 2007.04.27 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Aegri Metron
That sounds like fun... You wouldnt mind telling about what region this is? So far my 0.0 experiences has been ****ty :)
I'm posting with my main. Access your nearest locator agent to discover the land of milk and honey's
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Aegri Metron
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Posted - 2007.04.27 16:44:00 -
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Wot! Cheapster
I have no locator agents...
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