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Hendrink Collie
Contra Ratio DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:47:30 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Wait, now I'm curious, if people are leaving Eve because they can't pay for it, what exactly is the purpose of wanting to keep people playing that have no money to give to you?
It's kinda like a brick and mortar store I'd say, you get a lot more sales if you can get the person to come inside the store first. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
2066
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:48:04 -
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CCP Quant wrote:Nope, there will be a suitable replacement, stay tuned
How long do we have to stay tuned approximately? A day? A week? A month?
I need to know so that I can either hold on the new player content I'm about to release for youtube, or if it's worth waiting a few days, update it and then release it :p
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Retired [Ex-F] CEO - Eve-guides.fr
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Asuka Solo
Instant Annihilation
3022
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:48:15 -
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Question 1: Will any trial accounts (that still exist, regardless of status), be converted into alpha accounts? If so, will they retain any skills that have been trained in the trial state prior to introducing this change?
Question 2: If any trial accounts we have lingering around in the archives of history (assuming of course, all trial accounts will automatically be converted into alpha states), have characters that have been renamed due to not being subscribed and or taking namespaces that have been cleared, will there be a way to petition a name change or will we have to re-create the character?
Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
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Darkwing Fiftytwo
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:48:43 -
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What about limiting system access to high-sec or high/lo-sec?? Is that a good or bad idea? |
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:49:38 -
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Going to clean this up a bit, please stand by.
ISD Max Trix
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darkani
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:02:31 -
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i think basicaly it s a nice idea, it will keep you up agains concurency on video games market
but i m not affraid of the new player, i m afrraid of those catalyst and talwar account take could make any industries barely impossible to handle, for now i see a lot of abuse already i just cant imagine if game goes free.
many player hold themselves they dont want tp pay 2 account, so they pay attention to their account, sec status and standings. but if games goes free why wouldnt everyone have a real account and use free trash account? how about trial account cannot engage action into criminal action ? i would also.... increasse the access to the game for the free account limiting to t1.....i just place myself into a situation like that and.... i m not sure, i would grant acces to all t1 but no acces to faction/t2 so trial account could be logi, battleship and could really take a part into it
On an other side i would limitate those free account to 1 by ip per 3 month as exemple with possibilites to contact support for exceptionnal exemption, those could look at the log of the asker if the guys is good or not toward eve game mechanics: as exemple this guy only flyed a catalyst wich ganked 50 industrial in a week and i m even pretty sure this request could be answered by a script.
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Ginger Naari
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:03:56 -
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I'm Harmless wrote:HAHAHAHAA
The amount of desperation by CCP is comical.
here is how you get people to resub and play
"Dear vets, jump fatigue and SP trading were terrible mistakes, we are sorry, please resub your 15 accounts and we'll make it all go away.
Until then, thanks but no thanks.
ps.
"You can only post every 5 minutes because your account is less than 2 days old. You can post a new one in 88 seconds."
what the hell is this garbage?
Had the same thing trying to post as well. |
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:04:00 -
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EVE going F2P Oh boy CCP must be desperate.
There are sooo many ways how players can abuse this feature: scouting, ganking, industry, etc. Players will abuse it in every way possible. I mean, we already have crazy players with 200+ skill farming alts, what do you think these kind of players will do with unlimited free accounts?
I bet it wont even take 24h until someone has written a bot that automatically creates new characters in bulk and then mines, ganks, etc with them. When the characters get banned, the bot will just reconnect for new IP, modify the computers hardware ID and start the process again.
You better start getting used to the new prices: Tritanium 2 ISK, PLEX 5 billions, 1 LP 0.0001 ISK. And 67 new gank victim rant threads per minute. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
438
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:06:11 -
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I'm Harmless wrote:HAHAHAHAA
The amount of desperation by CCP is comical.
here is how you get people to resub and play
"Dear vets, jump fatigue and SP trading were terrible mistakes, we are sorry, please resub your 15 accounts and we'll make it all go away.
Until then, thanks but no thanks.
We can agree on SP trading, but jump fatigue was badly needed. It's a horrible band-aid that literally gives cancer, granted, but it's still needed for the overall health of the game.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Dierdra Vaal
interstellar stargate syndicate
353
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:06:39 -
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Interesting idea, and not necessarily a bad one. I do have two questions:
1) Are there plans to prevent players from multiboxing these alpha clones? Is it a concern that established players will get access to effectively an unlimited number of simultaneously active accounts? (Are multiboxed swarms of alpha clones - in highsec or otherwise - the future of eve?)
2) Obviously the goal is convert non paying players (alpha) into paying players (omega). What if the conversion rate is lower than CCP expects/wants? I worry that having these free accounts in the game will then encourage CCP to add more microtransactions into the game in an attempt to get at least some money out of otherwise non-paying players. Can CCP comment on their expectations for this feature and potential additions or contingency plans?
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:06:40 -
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Algarion Getz wrote:EVE going F2P Oh boy. CCP must be desperate. There are sooo many ways how players can abuse this feature: scouting, ganking, industry, etc. Players will abuse it in every way possible. I mean, we already have crazy players with 200+ skill farming alts, what do you think these kind of players will do with unlimited free accounts? I bet it wont even take 24h until someone has written a bot that automatically creates new characters in bulk and then mines, ganks, etc with them. When the characters get banned, the bot will just reconnect for new IP, modify the computers hardware ID and start the process again. You better start getting used to the new prices: Tritanium 2 ISK, PLEX 5 billions, 1 LP 0.0001 ISK. And 67 new gank victim rant threads per minute.
I mean, they can do it already with contemporary trial accounts, so I'm not sure what your point is.
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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
591
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:07:00 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Wait, now I'm curious, if people are leaving Eve because they can't pay for it, what exactly is the purpose of wanting to keep people playing that have no money to give to you?
From the dev blog:
"As you know, EVE is a very special game. Our single shard server means that every player truly affects every other, whether through economics, resource gathering, direct combat or bad posting. This in turn means that our universe is more interesting, more exciting and more dangerous with each additional citizen." |
VonDerTann
Massive Dynamic inc. Care Factor
0
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:07:03 -
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Elenahina wrote:VonDerTann wrote:I just concerned about one thing: how about mulitple charactors under same account, if you are paid player, your main charactor is omega, the other two will regard as omega too or as alpha Per the news item, all characters on an account share the clone status. So the account is either Alpha or Omega, not the characters
thank you, amd how about the skills? without multitraining, can sub charactor train to same skill as alpha can have? or still need a plex to enable them to train |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2739
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:07:23 -
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Ripard Teg wrote:3) Pity any poor idiot in high-sec. This is the biggest buff to high-sec ganking that I've ever seen. There will be literally no reason why every EVE player shouldn't have a basic ganking account, if not lots of them (see #2). We can already do that because of the last stupid feature the SP extractor. A suicide ganker has a very limited set of kills he needs. Once that is trained up you can simply extract and sell the excess SP to get the next PLEX. I reduced my subscriptions from 3 to 1 and have now 4 account, 3 of them get PLEXed this way.
So looks like you once again make a drama about nothing.
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Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:09:25 -
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Darkwing Fiftytwo wrote:What about limiting system access to high-sec or high/lo-sec?? Is that a good or bad idea? Narh, it should not be limited, since most of the "interesting" stuff is happening outside of highsec.
They should however limit multiboxing, so you can either only have one Alpha account active or an Omega + any Omega multiboxing alt. Basically, you shouldn't be able to multibox an Omega and Alpha or several Alpha accounts.
If they leave it as it currently is, the system is just too easily abused by older players.
As a FW player, I will just have a Griffin following me every time, essentially killing solo PvP, since you now need two ships to kill me. Or just create a swarm of Tristans and share the drones with my main.
There are many more ways to abuse this, but generally free multiboxing alts is a bad thing.
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Mark Hadden
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:09:44 -
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lolz
is it a move from Subscription model to worst p2w ever known in history of gaming or just a better trial? No, its not a bout golden ammo, its not about slower progress, its about an entire 2 class player base. The one who plays for free and the ones you dont stand a chance because he pays money. |
DeadDuck
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
194
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:09:59 -
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Great move CCP.
Hoppefully this will bring a lot of new blood to the game. A lot of people trying it, a lot quitting, and some being hooked... |
Meatbix
Screaming Hayabusa Neo-Bushido Movement
8
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:10:29 -
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Frigates, frigates everywhere! Yay!!! \o/ |
Irregessa
Obfuscation and Reflections
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:11:07 -
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Restricting skill extractors shouldn't be an issue, since you need 5.5m sp on a character to use one to begin with. As long as the Alpha clones can't reach that level of sp, skill extractors are moot. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3914
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:11:10 -
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Clone Dunking!
Like hyperdunking, but with alpha clones.
One ganker bump scrams the target. The second ganker logs in a large number of alpha clone accounts. The second then warps a few clones to the target and shoots. He then goes to a new group of clones and repeats.
Subscription cost: One account for the bumper.
I am not sure if the second ganker could log out, and log in alpha accounts fast enough to permit doing this if there was a "one alpha account at a time" limit, but maybe he could, with a fast computer and a good connection. If so, CCP would need to limit the alpha clones to being unable to set the safety to red.
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Thrice Hapus
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:11:37 -
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I have only been playing EVE for nine months, so my experience is limited. In that short time, I have found that New Eden is best enjoyed as part of a great corporation. Space is quite empty and lonely otherwise! Since this change will hopefully encourage new players to check this game out, and since more players will result in more chances at building relationships within the game, I think this will be a good change.
After reading the dev blog and all the comments so far, it does seem that limiting alphas to green in hi-sec and to only one account per computer would be helpful for preventing abuse.
I do not read the forums very often, which choice has been reaffirmed after reading through these posts today. There is a lot of unhelpful expression of anger and even some outright hatred in many comments. It is great that people feel so much about this shared world -- I care about it, too. But it seems odd to take time only to vent spleen without suggesting anything constructive. And, at the end of the day, staying here is a choice. If it's no longer for you, there's a great big world outside of EVE out there! |
Nina Reis
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:11:59 -
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First : i don't think it's a really bad idea this time. But you've to be really carefull to not break the game. Even if its means you have to put features one but one.
I See one issue :
- the SP trade market
Now :
- Sp are quite expense because you have to train a character (or to strip an old one) to 5m SP before it became profitable (plex => extractor => injector for sale)
Then
- It's free pour every single player to skill a character up to 5m and directly start selling its SP
Consequences
- The SP value (injector) will drop to near
Solution
- Increase the gap between alpha clone and the SP amount needed to extract SPs, for at least 2.5m SP (2 plex with poor remap and bad implant)
Issue
- Fight power balance in HS (and FW and LS and...)
Why ?
- **** ton of small ship you can multibox (example frigate or cruiser logi), or even multiboxing **** ton of thrasher arty
- A neutral scout in every ******* system for free
Cons+¬quence
- Unfair fight
- Lot of HS fighters will unsub most of their account
Solution
- DO NOT allow multiboxing alpha account
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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
591
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:13:27 -
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Darkwing Fiftytwo wrote:What about limiting system access to high-sec or high/lo-sec?? Is that a good or bad idea? Bad idea, IMO. I want Alpha characters to join me in nullsec to experience the area, to either fleet up with me or to shoot me.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14556
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:13:40 -
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You poor poor people don't understand what this means. You don't see the REAL CASUALTY of this terrible move by CCP.
What is going to happen to all the "I Quit" posts?
"I quit" from a game you pay 15 bucks a month for has really power to change the course of CCPs development direction (15 bucks is a lot of money in places like Zimbabwe and Borneo), but "I'm quitting this free to play game that I never paid for in the 1st place" just doesn't have the same implied threat power!
Won't someone think of the (brain damaged, manipulative) children here????
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DeODokktor
Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
74
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:14:03 -
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I would have limited Mass Production to Level 1 instead of level 3. 2 slots vs 4, Granted both are far under 11.
What will happen if someone installs 11 slots for a year, and then goes to the standard account, will all 11 go idle, will only the last 7 go idle, or will the game cycle through them and run only 3 at a time?
What about Implants? If you have something that requires Cybernetics V installed, what happens when you drop to the lower "clone"... Will they stop working, or will they just work "as well as" the ones at Cybernetics 3?
Limiting them to 5 mil or so SP is good but I would also be tempted to put in a few other restrictons like making them stay at green or yellow on the safety settings just top stop suicide alts farming. I know this is mentioned but why you wouldnt pick this as a first option is a bit confusing to me.
Once the "Alpha" is maxed on their SP, what will happen, it just sits there?
If I have a training queue going then what will happen, will it drop out fully or something else?.
Generally I say I like this idea, It's like a better version of a trial account as it doesnt expire. As it is now you can get a "Free" account that will last until around 3.7 mil SP, so this isnt a huge change.
As someone asked earlier, what about trails and referrals?.
New players will save money by not buying an account until they are at the end of their 3rd month. I cant help but think a price decrease (or first 6 months half price offer) would have been better and less trouble.
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Harlei Quinn
Valhallas Gates Investment Not Yet Critical
11
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:14:10 -
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With this update I want a full refund. across all my accounts. for unused gametime. Thanks. |
Zifrian
Distortion. Amplified.
1767
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:16:04 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Kahless Monstrosity wrote:What about FW LP farming? I see people creating tons of free characters to farm FW LP? True, I've done lvl 4 FW missions in Caracals with minimal tech2 fittings, won't be hard to use tech1.. Why is this a problem? If they limit logins, then they are just playing a legitimate part of the game. I don't see the problem.
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Varakh Snowscales
Overheat Everything and CHARGE Hell's Pirates
0
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:16:39 -
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Can we up the SP of a new player too. I dont see the point of make a new players do **** all for a few days while train basic skills. Putting someone into a tackle frigate on day 1 isn't fun.. You get fragged and bitter vets moan at you for losing point. t1 cruisers should be a players first ship.. Not a frigate.
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Zeddrick Anthar
Overheat Everything and CHARGE Hell's Pirates
15
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:18:37 -
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The 'full alpha' skill set seems like a pretty good place to start playing to me. Why not just do away with alpha training altogether and start all new characters as fully trained alphas based on their preferences?
New players would still need to earn the ISK to actually buy any ships and would still need to figure out how to fit them, etc so there would be plenty for them to learn. But with a full alpha clone the gap between, for example, a brand new player and a 1 year old one would be a lot smaller and new players would be able to take part in some of the more interesting parts of the game from day 1.
Also it would stop a black market in fully trained alphas from developing.
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7821
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:19:36 -
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I have one question.
What will be done to prevent free accounts being used to flood chat with gold spamming and used for RMT?
This is my greatest concern. My sub expires in a couple of hours, and it will remain that way pending the biomass of all toons on it come the November expansion if a satisfactory explanation of how this will be stopped is not provided, which will make this my last post ever without said answer.
When SWTOR went F2P, this was literally the first thing that happened. F2P accounts botting on starter worlds to hit lvl 10 so they could go to fleet and spam chat with their gold selling websites. They're doing it right now, I'm gearing a Shadow and every minute or two, a new message from someone with a name that's basically the equivalent of mashing the keyboard (ie jbgfr or some such) advertises their RMT website with an exchange rate. And it's not just one or two or three, it's a dozen. And it doesn't matter if you report them, because they just create a new Gmail account and presto, new free toon ready to spam away to replace the one they lost.
Tell me how you'll prevent this, please. Because if I log on in November and see even one RMT ad in chat in any system, I swear I'm done.
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