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Trin Javidan
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
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Posted - 2011.12.17 11:19:00 -
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like in here
Its annoying and ********, who still haves the biggest super blob wins. Who needs support if u cant counter drop them with supers? |
Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Care Factor
38
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Posted - 2011.12.17 11:21:00 -
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Your link is broken. "Have you had your morning coffee?" -> the Coffee Lovers Brewing Club is recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=363976#post363976 |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
110
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Posted - 2011.12.17 11:31:00 -
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"so they ain't track as a battleship"? Sorry, I don't even know what you're trying to say.
BSs are 100m, titans are tens of billions. Of course a super heavy fleet will melt a BS fleet that isn't at least 5x its size (which can't happen BC of lag).
The real issue is that lighter mobile fleets are useless in regards to the sov system, but hopefully that will change. |
Alara IonStorm
629
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Posted - 2011.12.17 11:49:00 -
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mechtech wrote:Of course a super heavy fleet will melt a BS fleet that isn't at least 5x its size (which can't happen BC of lag).
Devs have said repeatedly that they don't want them killing Battleships. They want them killing Capital Ships as a dedicated Anti-Capital Platform. That is why they took away ability to put remote Tracking and Remote Sensor Boosters on them as well as shifted DD's to Capitol Only Weapons and took away Non Fighter Drones for Super Carriers.
As for the OP I really have no idea, I have yet to have the pleasure of having my BS popped by a Titan.
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Verloc Nostromo
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.12.17 11:49:00 -
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He is meaning to link to a battle report of a PL super fleet that melted one of our sub cap fleets in LGK. Where the PL super fleet was out numbered but still killed a lot of ships in a short time for very little return damage. If you look at the KM's for the battle you will see that a very high percentage of the kills were not by the PL subcaps, but by the titans and SC's. But i could be mistaken.
This battle the OP refers to I think *you will need to copy/paste, the eve forum doesn't seem to like linking the report for some reason* http://www.a-killed.me/?a=kill_related2&kll_id=582605 |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
416
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Posted - 2011.12.17 12:24:00 -
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Well, i'm in a very good position at the moment to say to you that in order for a Titan to track as well as a BattleshipGäó you need to absolutely butcher the fitting. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Trin Javidan
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
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Posted - 2011.12.17 13:06:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Well, i'm in a very good position at the moment to say to you that in order for a Titan to track as well as a BattleshipGäó you need to absolutely butcher the fitting.
Maybe true, but it doesnt matter they are still invinceble subcap pwning mobiles. The side with the bigges super blob wins as u dont need subcaps and bringing small super fleet vs the big super fleet is suicidel. Non technetium moon holding alliances cant affort welping fleets like that after the more expensive sov change. |
Sandrestal
University of Caille Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.12.17 13:37:00 -
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Wait, wut? I thought last expansion nerfed titans so they could not hit anything under cap size. |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
52
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Posted - 2011.12.17 13:57:00 -
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Sandrestal wrote:Wait, wut? I thought last expansion nerfed titans so they could not hit anything under cap size.
Guess what.... they failed CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
104
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Posted - 2011.12.17 14:03:00 -
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Oh... my.....
Here we go again...
Waaaah... That titan killed my battleship.. Waaa... |
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bornaa
GRiD.
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Posted - 2011.12.17 14:06:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:Oh... my.....
Here we go again...
Waaaah... That titan killed my battleship.. Waaa...
About this... I would be ok that it can be lucky and hit BS. But no BC.
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URDEAD2ME
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
6
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Posted - 2011.12.17 14:11:00 -
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bornaa wrote:Tore Vest wrote:Oh... my.....
Here we go again...
Waaaah... That titan killed my battleship.. Waaa... About this... I would be ok that it can be lucky and hit BS. But no BC.
http://a-killed.me/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=582549 well erm thats not a bc or bs and they still hit it when it had transversal and was orbiting .
point is there tracking is op . |
Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
6
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Posted - 2011.12.17 14:12:00 -
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The problem is in the tracking mechanics. While explosion radius means everything in missiles ability to hit ships, turret resolution in the end means very little in tracking. As long as the target is under the tracking speed of your guns (which is really easy especially at 20km+ ranges) it doesnt matter how small the targets radius is compared to your resolution you will hit, even though they might be a little worse hits.
Especially with the titan having 10,000dps it doesnt matter how bad your hits are, even if you only "barely scratch" you will do 5,000dps. |
MrJohn Shaft
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.12.17 14:28:00 -
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You sound bitter that your 2 Large Shield Extender Drake with MWD (running or not) was hit by multiple Titans with nothing but tracking mods (aka no tank)
Sorry, Drakes are awesome but they can't just beat everything! There needs to be some balance! |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
104
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Posted - 2011.12.17 14:29:00 -
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Remove all supers from game. And.... Nerf drakes |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
52
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Posted - 2011.12.17 14:42:00 -
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MrJohn Shaft wrote:You sound bitter that your 2 Large Shield Extender Drake with MWD (running or not) was hit by multiple Titans with nothing but tracking mods (aka no tank)
Sorry, Drakes are awesome but they can't just beat everything! There needs to be some balance!
I dont see that titan fit, can u pls show me where it is? CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
MrJohn Shaft
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.12.17 14:47:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:MrJohn Shaft wrote:You sound bitter that your 2 Large Shield Extender Drake with MWD (running or not) was hit by multiple Titans with nothing but tracking mods (aka no tank)
Sorry, Drakes are awesome but they can't just beat everything! There needs to be some balance! I dont see that titan fit, can u pls show me where it is?
What do you mean you dont see that Titan fit? Where are you looking? |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2011.12.17 15:01:00 -
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EVE borked?
No, no way! EVE is perfect. Didn't you know?
Imagine that.
(Note to CCP: EVE now rates -1 out of 10 on all game review boards You've earned it. Merry Christmas.) |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
123
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Posted - 2011.12.17 15:02:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:Oh... my.....
Here we go again...
Waaaah... That titan killed my battleship.. Waaa...
not only bs but they killed bunch of naga's too and they are really small sig radius...
the problem is the tracking... just make the siege mod tracking nerf built into the guns and you should be fine...
tbh pl are probs using expensive implants mixed with tracking boosters mixed with faction/officer tracking enhancers/comps...
i mean a titan hitting a destroyer?!?!?1 lol |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
199
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Posted - 2011.12.17 15:38:00 -
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Pro-tip: Bring your own cap ships. Yes it does work, just because you out number the enemy 100 to 1 in smaller ships, if they have 1 ship equal to your 100 (lets not forget even if the number of people is equal on both sides, cap ships are a FORCE MULTIPLIER making you outnumbered as well) AND they put in the time to train for it, to aquire the isk to purchase it (including mats, POS fuel, time spent in the oven baking and general amount of effort involved to build the biggest badass ships in EVE) then yes they should be kicking you ass if you bring hundreds of cheaper ships just because you choose to stop at BS 4/5, large Turret 4, and prefer to fly smaller ships most of the time.
God I am sick and tired of the complaining/whining/btching on the boards of "Wha! Wha! He has a bigger ship and killed me BUT I feel entitled/deserve/COMBO-BREAKER destroy that titan just because I brought hundreds of my own friends in frigs/cruiser/BS and they can't hit me....oh wait!!!!!" Unless you plan some brilliant tactic around killing cap ships with hundreds of thousands of rifters before DT, then stop wimping out with the smaller ships and bring some big guns of your own. |
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
963
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Posted - 2011.12.17 16:13:00 -
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in b4 the crosspost lock The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Tear CoIIector
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.31 17:01:00 -
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URDEAD2ME wrote:bornaa wrote:Tore Vest wrote:Oh... my.....
Here we go again...
Waaaah... That titan killed my battleship.. Waaa... About this... I would be ok that it can be lucky and hit BS. But no BC. http://a-killed.me/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=582549well erm thats not a bc or bs and they still hit it when it had transversal and was orbiting . point is there tracking is op .
There is no way a titan would track your flycatcher unless you were dumb and sitting still. |
JackStraw56
The Caymans Knights of Tomorrow
43
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Posted - 2012.01.31 17:10:00 -
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Dibsi Dei wrote:As long as the target is under the tracking speed of your guns (which is really easy especially at 20km+ ranges) it doesnt matter how small the targets radius is compared to your resolution you will hit, even though they might be a little worse hits. No...that's not how tracking works. |
ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii
352
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Posted - 2012.01.31 17:12:00 -
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I believe that your corp should be the confederation of DUCT tape lovers?
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1830
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Posted - 2012.01.31 17:19:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:Pro-tip: Bring your own cap ships. Yes it does work, just because you out number the enemy 100 to 1 in smaller ships, if they have 1 ship equal to your 100 (lets not forget even if the number of people is equal on both sides, cap ships are a FORCE MULTIPLIER making you outnumbered as well) AND they put in the time to train for it, to aquire the isk to purchase it (including mats, POS fuel, time spent in the oven baking and general amount of effort involved to build the biggest badass ships in EVE) then yes they should be kicking you ass if you bring hundreds of cheaper ships just because you choose to stop at BS 4/5, large Turret 4, and prefer to fly smaller ships most of the time.
God I am sick and tired of the complaining/whining/btching on the boards of "Wha! Wha! He has a bigger ship and killed me BUT I feel entitled/deserve/COMBO-BREAKER destroy that titan just because I brought hundreds of my own friends in frigs/cruiser/BS and they can't hit me....oh wait!!!!!" Unless you plan some brilliant tactic around killing cap ships with hundreds of thousands of rifters before DT, then stop wimping out with the smaller ships and bring some big guns of your own.
Cost isn't a balancing factor.
"I botted for 3 months to buy my titan i am ENTITLED to victory" andski for csm7~ |
baltec1
521
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Posted - 2012.01.31 17:19:00 -
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Tear CoIIector wrote:
There is no way a titan would track your flycatcher unless you were dumb and sitting still.
They do given enough range...
HICs get torn apart by them in every fight. |
Avid Bumhumper
Furian Necromongers
20
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Posted - 2012.01.31 17:25:00 -
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Verloc Nostromo wrote:He is meaning to link to a battle report of a PL super fleet that melted one of our sub cap fleets in LGK. Where the PL super fleet was out numbered but still killed a lot of ships in a short time for very little return damage. If you look at the KM's for the battle you will see that a very high percentage of the kills were not by the PL subcaps, but by the titans and SC's. But i could be mistaken. This battle the OP refers to I think *you will need to copy/paste, the eve forum doesn't seem to like linking the report for some reason* http://www.a-killed.me/?a=kill_related2&kll_id=582605
So basiclly....WAH?
You got your cheap ass fleet whipped by a much more expensive fleet, how is that possible???
The logic in game these days just boggles my mind. "I brought a blob and lost, they had bigger ships, it's not fair" -A- claims to have nearly as many supers as PL, why didn't you use them? Your big boys getting cold feet?
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1831
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Posted - 2012.01.31 17:29:00 -
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nobody sane would suggest that 300 battleships should kill 50 titans, but dropping 50 unsupported titans on 300 battleships should be a risky maneuver that can potentially lead to a loss or two andski for csm7~ |
Tear CoIIector
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.31 17:32:00 -
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Anyone else getting tired of this constant moaning and b****ing about "waaaa titan killed me... waaa nerf titan.. waaaa i should be able to kill titan... waaa OP tracking... waaaa i dont care if they spent 2 years and 100bil buying the ship and have dedicated character. My drake should be able to kill titan waaaa... waaa... waaa... My alliance blobs with 800 maels but dosent field any caps and still expects to be able to own titans.. waaa...
Let me tell you something, its NOT the 'OP' tracking of titans. Its 50 titans shooting at you. You can make a blob of ANYTHING, if you bring enough of it you will win.
Anyone ever wonder why NCDOT and PL have some of the biggest cap fleets in game? BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY USE THEM. Now, lets assume that you have a titan (impossible i know). Now, lets say you were in an alliance that only fights with subcaps and never has the balls to field their caps. Would you not join an alliance that fields them instead?
Also, before you give me the arguement about "they have balls to field them only cause they got like 50 titans". No you are wrong. I know for a fact that when ncdot started off they only had a handfull of titans. Its the FC's that had the balls to field them and create a reputation for the alliance that made others with supers/titans join. Sometimes you welp a whole super fleet, but thats the risk you take. Also, having a program that builds free titans/supers for members might help instead of RMTing the tech isk.
So, everyone who moans about ncdot/pl having a monopoly with titans can blame your own alliance FCs/leaders. Maybe if other major alliances had the balls to field their own caps.. MAYBE... all your cap pilots wouldn't have left your alliance to join ncdot/pl. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1831
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Posted - 2012.01.31 17:37:00 -
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more like "they just blued every alliance they could that has a supercapital fleet of consequence" heh andski for csm7~ |
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