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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 12/02/2007 15:19:42
Originally by: Juwi Kotch Edited by: Juwi Kotch on 12/02/2007 15:13:40
Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 12/02/2007 14:58:19 Privateers is not just about ganking haulers, the original concept was something along the lines that the alliances took over 0.0 and claimed it for themselves, and yet made extensive use of empire, which no one group could do anything about. So Infinity Ziona formed a group which would wardec alliances and allow anyone with a grudge or just a need for pewpew to sign up and hit them where it hurts; which just happens to be in their 'industrial backbone' (as alliances like call it).
Now, such an open opportunity at easy targets in as friendly an environment as empire is obviously going to attract lowest-common-denominator players, but don't knock the concept.
As I said already, the concept is brilliant. It is a genious way to instrumentalize game mechanics, without violating game rules.
But in its effects, it is very disturbing. It actually leads to the situation, that the high-sec carebears cannot play that game any more in the way the came to like it. Some of them will leave EVE completely, because it is not fun for them anymore. Others will tell their friends, that EVE is all about griefing and getting killed, without any chance to fight it, and make them not to try it out.
When CCP does not anything against it, it endangers the attraction of EVE to the by far biggest customer potential in the world, the carebears. But on the other hand, maybe CCP is content with a subscription base of 100,000 to 150,000 accounts? If their business plans are not aimed for more, then this management of affairs is acceptable.
Juwi Kotch
Somebody once said that Eve is what you make of it. I think it might actually have been me . But that's beside the point. The point is, the concept of being unable to play the game the way you want is absurd in Eve. Privateers themselves are living proof that, with enough effort, you can play the game any way you want. Privateers wardecs have a consensual component to them, as they cannot wardec NPC corps, and it is impractical to wardec corps which are: Too small Too insignificant Present too few targets
Thus they are one of the easier elements of empire PvP to avoid, if you really want to.
Anyone telling anyone Eve 'is all about' anything is lying, I've been playing for nearly a year, and I've just recently decided to step up the rate at which I drop what I'm currently doing and try something new, because there is so much to see and do you have to move quickly if you want to see it all, rather than stagnate in any one area. ----------
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Juwi Kotch
Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn Somebody once said that Eve is what you make of it. I think it might actually have been me . But that's beside the point. The point is, the concept of being unable to play the game the way you want is absurd in Eve. Privateers themselves are living proof that, with enough effort, you can play the game any way you want. Privateers wardecs have a consensual component to them, as they cannot wardec NPC corps, and it is impractical to wardec corps which are: Too small Too insignificant Present too few targets
Thus they are one of the easier elements of empire PvP to avoid, if you really want to.
Anyone telling anyone Eve 'is all about' anything is lying, I've been playing for nearly a year, and I've just recently decided to step up the rate at which I drop what I'm currently doing and try something new, because there is so much to see and do you have to move quickly if you want to see it all, rather than stagnate in any one area.
Wrong and true. It is wrong to say "eve is all about whatever", but it is true that people are doing it.
You cannot play the way you want to do, when you're playstyle is peaceful and non-agressive, you limit your play to the part of the sandbox declared to be secure and peaceful, when suddenly the bullies rush into that part of the sandbox and destroy everything you have. Bullies can do what they want, when nobody stops them. Weaklings (miners, haulers, etc) can't.
Juwi Kotch
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Dolly Parton
Amarr 5punkorp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Harpezza But seriously, how difficult is it to glance at local every few minutes. That plus warp to 0 makes all but the most retarded players invincible if they dont want to fight.
i can't believe i am going to agree with you on this.
maybe its cause i am 0.0 cat in empire and have local open 23/7 but really its not hard to avoid you guys. stay out of 1.0 hubs where noobs in haulers are and you see no privateers. When I do see them I am normally warping to 0km to another gate while they are going the opposite way. Annoying yes cause by the time I turn around they are gone, unless i am in my hauler or frig then they will play. I truly hate your alliance and think there are a couple of ways that would give it more credibility but you all would rather exploit certain game mechanics to annoy the empire noob carebears. either way i ♥ how you always war declare us and maybe one day i'll find one of your members that fights things besides haulers. till then happy hunting and pew pew
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Juwi Kotch
Originally by: Crumplecorn Somebody once said that Eve is what you make of it. I think it might actually have been me . But that's beside the point. The point is, the concept of being unable to play the game the way you want is absurd in Eve. Privateers themselves are living proof that, with enough effort, you can play the game any way you want. Privateers wardecs have a consensual component to them, as they cannot wardec NPC corps, and it is impractical to wardec corps which are: Too small Too insignificant Present too few targets
Thus they are one of the easier elements of empire PvP to avoid, if you really want to.
Anyone telling anyone Eve 'is all about' anything is lying, I've been playing for nearly a year, and I've just recently decided to step up the rate at which I drop what I'm currently doing and try something new, because there is so much to see and do you have to move quickly if you want to see it all, rather than stagnate in any one area.
Wrong and true. It is wrong to say "eve is all about whatever", but it is true that people are doing it.
You cannot play the way you want to do, when you're playstyle is peaceful and non-agressive, you limit your play to the part of the sandbox declared to be secure and peaceful, when suddenly the bullies rush into that part of the sandbox and destroy everything you have. Bullies can do what they want, when nobody stops them. Weaklings (miners, haulers, etc) can't.
Juwi Kotch
Very little of Eve is truly meant to be secure and peaceful. Problem is people forget that. ----------
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Juwi Kotch
Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn Very little of Eve is truly meant to be secure and peaceful. Problem is people forget that.
That was about you saying everybody can do everything in EVE...
Juwi Kotch
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Loyal Servant
Caldari The Short Bus Squad
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:37:00 -
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Privateers never got me once.
As a matter of fact, I have killed many of them :) They have wardec'd half of Eve, and everywhere they go someone is hunting them.
All they have done is hurt themselves in the long run. Wardec one or two corps, not 40 guys...
You might live longer, and not suffer such heavy losses. (You have to me alone, and not killed me once.)
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Juwi Kotch
Originally by: Crumplecorn Very little of Eve is truly meant to be secure and peaceful. Problem is people forget that.
That was about you saying everybody can do everything in EVE...
Juwi Kotch
A little little corner of it is though, so if you really want secure and peaceful, you can have it.
But no, if you mean do whatever you want as in AFK fly haulers through trade hubs while in a player alliance, in that respect you can't do what you want I suppose. ----------
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Sorted
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: SleepingBuddah privateers are just legal criminals.
I only just realised the OP title.
Well yes. Privateers in history always were just legal pirates/ciminals. Thats why the name was chosen I suppose - beacuse we are just high sec pirates. We still have to deal with the angry "player navys". ISSN used to cause us some trouble as I remember. Guess that wont be happening much anymore though.... Altough there are plenty of combat teams sent to empire from many of the wars to "clear" out our camps.
In summary: with a letter of Marque.
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Valeria Crossroads
Caldari Terra Incognita Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:47:00 -
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There should be room for miners, traders, producers, freighter pilots etc in this game and also in the bigger corps/alliances not only in npc corps. An alliance and corps should be a cooperation of peaceful people and fighters. Corps should not be only a place for fighters.If i look at my own corp (our alliance is wardecced by privateers for the second time and its the 5th war in a relatively short row) is this: 1) the peaceful people first did play less. They were hardly on line after the first 3 weeks. We are a corp of around 40 people (50 accounts). On average only 5 were on line during these wars. 2) when one of the wars stopped, we came back to around 10 again. 3) Now that the second war with pa is busy, some have moved to npc corp because the like one trader said: i cannot do my trade anymore for more than 3 weeks, thats not what i am paying for. So he rightfully concluded that there is only room for traders in npc corps and he left. Some miners left too. Like one of them right fully said: I cannot do my job anymore only in npc corp. I am not paying monthly to sit in a station or be locked up in a lone system and be basically in a prison where if i am unlucky can be killed also if i do not watch out for a moment. Next to that i have been forced to remove 10 members last weekend because the have stopped playing eve since the wars started/were busy. And now i am sitting with only 1 other guy in my corps chat because the peaceful guys have no room to play anymore. The fear that people will leave eve because of the privateers concept is already in progress, My only hope is that ccp will do something before i am really alone...
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Sorted
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Valeria Crossroads There should be room for miners, traders, producers, freighter pilots etc in this game and also in the bigger corps/alliances not only in npc corps. An alliance and corps should be a cooperation of peaceful people and fighters. Corps should not be only a place for fighters.If i look at my own corp (our alliance is wardecced by privateers for the second time and its the 5th war in a relatively short row) is this: 1) the peaceful people first did play less. They were hardly on line after the first 3 weeks. We are a corp of around 40 people (50 accounts). On average only 5 were on line during these wars. 2) when one of the wars stopped, we came back to around 10 again. 3) Now that the second war with pa is busy, some have moved to npc corp because the like one trader said: i cannot do my trade anymore for more than 3 weeks, thats not what i am paying for. So he rightfully concluded that there is only room for traders in npc corps and he left. Some miners left too. Like one of them right fully said: I cannot do my job anymore only in npc corp. I am not paying monthly to sit in a station or be locked up in a lone system and be basically in a prison where if i am unlucky can be killed also if i do not watch out for a moment. Next to that i have been forced to remove 10 members last weekend because the have stopped playing eve since the wars started/were busy. And now i am sitting with only 1 other guy in my corps chat because the peaceful guys have no room to play anymore. The fear that people will leave eve because of the privateers concept is already in progress, My only hope is that ccp will do something before i am really alone...
They had other options, but chose to leave the corp or game. You could of hired guards, contracted the hauling out, dropped the corp from the alliance, changed fittings for the haulers (t2 haulers with stabs/nanos are a pain in the ass) - used frig scouts, set up gaurded mining ops.
They took the easy way out.
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fruit cakes
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: fruit cakes on 12/02/2007 15:48:17
Originally by: Le Skunk The privateers corporation and privateers allaince has NEVER had a prescence in 0.0 and has no plans to do so. Individual pilots are free to go fly wherever they want so you may see one of two in 0.0. My best hayler kill (400 mill profit) involved me following a WT a few jumps into 0.0 and soemtiems i go rat. We were not SPANKED out of 0.0 as we have never been there. Stop lying / get your facts right.
This is because they cant hack it in 0.0 so therefor they are attacking and killing all the haulers and miners in empire (weak targets which really shows there strength as my case has been proven many times by privateers replies to these topics), I think PA should grow a pair and get out to 0.0 where the real pvpers reside instead of picking on haulers and miners in high sec as thats all there skill level permits them to do.
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Sorted
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: Sorted on 12/02/2007 15:49:58
Originally by: fruit cakes
Originally by: Le Skunk The privateers corporation and privateers allaince has NEVER had a prescence in 0.0 and has no plans to do so. Individual pilots are free to go fly wherever they want so you may see one of two in 0.0. My best hayler kill (400 mill profit) involved me following a WT a few jumps into 0.0 and soemtiems i go rat. We were not SPANKED out of 0.0 as we have never been there. Stop lying / get your facts right.
This is because they cant hack it in 0.0 so therefor they are attacking and killing all the haulers and miners in empire (weak targets which really shows there strength as my case has been proven many times by privateers replies to these topics), I think PA should grow a pair and get out to 0.0 where the real pvpers reside instead of picking on haulers and miners in high sec as thats all there skill level permits them to do.
It has been said time and again. PA never has 0.0 presence, but many of its pilots are 0.0 experienced and dislike the fleet sniping combat it seems to be rife with. Which is why they joined PRIVS or PA. AND Check the KBs for the industrial/combat ship kill ratio before posting.
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Eskalin
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:55:00 -
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forum winging 4tl there are merc corps that you can pay to protect you look in to that if your not into the pvp thing your self
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Neon Genesis
Gallente Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Max Godsnottlingson Edited by: Max Godsnottlingson on 12/02/2007 11:06:52 Sadly this has been a problem with Eve right from day one of it going live. Groups of players determined to screw over High Sec as quickly as possible and often for no other reason then to spoil others games. Sadly, PA have worked out the 'legel' loop hole that lets them play their lazy self centred game.
Your average PA member is too retarded to understand the negative effect that they are having on the game, and even if they could, most don't give a damn, they just want their nice easy game where they don't have to work hard to get easy kills.
And remember, any 'chimp' can be taught to sit on a gate and stack modules and skills together to kill unarmoured haulers and miners, it takes real skill and intelligence to PvP well.
But remember guys. 'The Chimps' ain't too bright, so it's not too hard to get around them. Make your NPC Corp hauling/mining Alts, use Contracts and jump clones to get around them. Better still make a few PvP Alts, slip them into PA and kick them hard from inside, get them to the stage where they don't know who is friend or foe, they'll soon go running off to momma crying their eyes out
You are the type of forum troll that every forum wants to be rid of.
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Valeria Crossroads
Caldari Terra Incognita Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Valeria Crossroads on 12/02/2007 16:00:51 Edited by: Valeria Crossroads on 12/02/2007 15:59:43
Originally by: Sorted
They had other options, but chose to leave the corp or game. You could of hired guards, contracted the hauling out, dropped the corp from the alliance, changed fittings for the haulers (t2 haulers with stabs/nanos are a pain in the ass) - used frig scouts, set up gaurded mining ops.
They took the easy way out.
If you wanna move as a trader these days in empire you need at least a gang of 10 fighters to protect a hauler/freighter. Yes we have noticed privateers have adapted since the last war. They almost only operate in big groups. Now would you as a fighter running around after a hauler for days, week after week so that a trader can do its work? And how do you imagine that these people i talk about can fund those fighters? Maybe some tech2 bpo owners can do that. But not the people who only play for a few weeks. And i have seen enough nano/stabs haulers been killed by pa. Sooner or later you bump in another ship and get pushed out by a gate you warped in and you are dead including your precious cargo. And what i mentioned about the trader above. Whould you think you have a great time as a fighter is you have to wait next to a miner/miners for many hours? Just because there is a chance they can be ganked? In both case no, because fighters want auction, not sitting be bored for most of the time next to a miner. And really if you are right or not: people are stopping to play. CCP is losing customers. Its something they cannot afford to ignore.
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Max Godsnottlingson
Amarr Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Marshalll grow up guys. stop throwing the mud.
Im in privateers and i fight regularly.
If some guys are hunting miners, then more fool them.
Im in this for combat, and thats exactly what im getting every moment of my PA career. Have a little respect for those PA that are doing this for the right reasons please and dont tar me with the miner hunters brush ty.
There's no 'Right Reason' to being in PA. If you want comabat get into low sec or 0.0. No matter what anybody says in PA, all you are are a set of self centred schoolyard bullyboy mentality types who's only reply to this is. "If you don't like the game leave."
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Politocratis
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: Politocratis on 12/02/2007 16:05:30
Originally by: SleepingBuddah
Originally by: Politocratis
Sorry to say, the the PA is not much of a threat. I am currently in a Carebare stint in Jita manufacturing some things, and I dont get much troublr from these war targets.
Just the other day I outran 2 PA BSs and a frig with my Industrial. I pretty much do what I want, when I want.
The EVE is not only Jita. Daily I meet heavy camps near Amarr, Hek, Kaaputenen with my alt hauler. Those camps would be impassable for my main.
I understand that, and just for the record I have no problem with their wardec usage.
What I am saying... in a strategy designed to openly attack people in empire trading/manufacturing hubs, the PA is not much of a threat to anyone.
Whoever paid them should get a refund.
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Max Godsnottlingson
Amarr Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: Max Godsnottlingson on 12/02/2007 16:06:41
Originally by: Sorted
Originally by: Valeria Crossroads There should be room for miners, traders, producers, freighter pilots etc in this game and also in the bigger corps/alliances not only in npc corps. An alliance and corps should be a cooperation of peaceful people and fighters. Corps should not be only a place for fighters.If i look at my own corp (our alliance is wardecced by privateers for the second time and its the 5th war in a relatively short row) is this: 1) the peaceful people first did play less. They were hardly on line after the first 3 weeks. We are a corp of around 40 people (50 accounts). On average only 5 were on line during these wars. 2) when one of the wars stopped, we came back to around 10 again. 3) Now that the second war with pa is busy, some have moved to npc corp because the like one trader said: i cannot do my trade anymore for more than 3 weeks, thats not what i am paying for. So he rightfully concluded that there is only room for traders in npc corps and he left. Some miners left too. Like one of them right fully said: I cannot do my job anymore only in npc corp. I am not paying monthly to sit in a station or be locked up in a lone system and be basically in a prison where if i am unlucky can be killed also if i do not watch out for a moment. Next to that i have been forced to remove 10 members last weekend because the have stopped playing eve since the wars started/were busy. And now i am sitting with only 1 other guy in my corps chat because the peaceful guys have no room to play anymore. The fear that people will leave eve because of the privateers concept is already in progress, My only hope is that ccp will do something before i am really alone...
They had other options, but chose to leave the corp or game. You could of hired guards, contracted the hauling out, dropped the corp from the alliance, changed fittings for the haulers (t2 haulers with stabs/nanos are a pain in the ass) - used frig scouts, set up gaurded mining ops.
They took the easy way out.
Hark at kettle calling pan sooty arse!
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Eskalin
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:11:00 -
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since they cant use warp bubbles nor dictors in empire space how bout you quit using the AP and just warp to 0 problem solved. if you get ganked at an empire gate these days your special in that olimpic sort of way
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Zaltor Kabalen
Amarr O.R.C. Outrage Compliant Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: Zaltor Kabalen on 12/02/2007 16:13:10
Originally by: Eskalin forum winging 4tl there are merc corps that you can pay to protect you look in to that if your not into the pvp thing your self
Problem with merc corps comes if you're in a small, poor corp already.. Paying mercs can get pricey.. If you have the cash, it's great.. but otherwise.. Stinks.
It's also hard when your alliance is based in 0.0 and offer you no protection on empire endeavors. Most people would say "leave your alliance.." But a lot of us smaller guys can't afford that either.. Diversity is supposed to be a part of the game. I don't want someone telling me that I need to be a 0.0 only player.. or empire.. And I'm surely not leaving my corp and good friends, which is the reason a lot of us are where we are.. Friendship.
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Valeria Crossroads
Caldari Terra Incognita Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Eskalin since they cant use warp bubbles nor dictors in empire space how bout you quit using the AP and just warp to 0 problem solved. if you get ganked at an empire gate these days your special in that olimpic sort of way
And although this sounds logically, the many wrecks of haulers (including many tech 2 haulers) speak otherwise. I see those wrecks daily in enough numbers on all the highways/highway systems.
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Marshalll
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:21:00 -
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aRRSSEeee to it all!!!
Lets sort this out now.
Lets have the entire of eve versus PA. Outside Jita 4/4 at 7pm tonight.
Be there or STOP posting your wimpy gripes on here.
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Sorted
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Max Godsnottlingson
Hark at kettle calling pan sooty arse!
always thought it was pot and kettle..... maybe its an English thing eh.
anyways. I have to deal with combat pilots alot ingame, I have been shot by CIC a few times, check you KB for the odds, last one was 15+ to 1. Privs suits my pick up and pew style. I dont have to travel to refit, I dont have wait for an OP to get some PVP, or fly in a regular gang in remote areas searching for targets.
You obviously dont have an Alt in Privs, but I would encourage you to get on the other side of the fence and see how "easy" we have it.
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Sorted
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Valeria Crossroads
Originally by: Eskalin since they cant use warp bubbles nor dictors in empire space how bout you quit using the AP and just warp to 0 problem solved. if you get ganked at an empire gate these days your special in that olimpic sort of way
And although this sounds logically, the many wrecks of haulers (including many tech 2 haulers) speak otherwise. I see those wrecks daily in enough numbers on all the highways/highway systems.
They probably didnt ask (just 1 corpmate) shuttle pilot to scout for them. Or they got very unlucky and hit a camp which arrived 1 min after the scout and 30 secs b4 you. (altough the scout should check local and so should the hauler) AND the camp had enough quick locking Scram points to catch afformentiond nano/stab hauler before it warps off or MWD's back to the gate. I also presume that these hauler wrecks were on main trade routes.
There are still plenty of ways to move cargo in empire while at war. Set up courior contracts if you dont have a corpmate online to scout for example.
But thats all for the haulers to work out and adapt. (then we adapt and kill you some more, then its your turn again)
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Valeria Crossroads
Caldari Terra Incognita Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sorted
Originally by: Max Godsnottlingson
Hark at kettle calling pan sooty arse!
always thought it was pot and kettle..... maybe its an English thing eh.
anyways. I have to deal with combat pilots alot ingame, I have been shot by CIC a few times, check you KB for the odds, last one was 15+ to 1. Privs suits my pick up and pew style. I dont have to travel to refit, I dont have wait for an OP to get some PVP, or fly in a regular gang in remote areas searching for targets.
You obviously dont have an Alt in Privs, but I would encourage you to get on the other side of the fence and see how "easy" we have it.
What you fail to understand time and time again is that ccp has made it possible to be a trader, a miners or another peaceful player too. And that there should be room for them in corps and alliances to be able to play their role. If its only possible to do that in a npc corp or being escorted by a good number of fighters in empire than there is something seriously wrong.
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Valeria Crossroads
Caldari Terra Incognita Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sorted There are still plenty of ways to move cargo in empire while at war. Set up courior contracts if you dont have a corpmate online to scout for example.
But thats all for the haulers to work out and adapt. (then we adapt and kill you some more, then its your turn again)
If you worked hard to be a freighter pilot and your only options to use it is to have at least 10 people escorting it or be in a npc corp or be in a shadow corp. 1) having a 10 fighter escort whole day long never works. To many people need to log of for dinner or other rl things. 2) being in a npc corp means you cannot be a part of a normal corp/alliance which is basicly the same for a shadow corp. Why are so many freighters in npc corp or small corps these days? Because there is no room for them in the bigger/real corps/alliances which is really sad.
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Sorted
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Valeria Crossroads
Originally by: Sorted
Originally by: Max Godsnottlingson
Hark at kettle calling pan sooty arse!
always thought it was pot and kettle..... maybe its an English thing eh.
anyways. I have to deal with combat pilots alot ingame, I have been shot by CIC a few times, check you KB for the odds, last one was 15+ to 1. Privs suits my pick up and pew style. I dont have to travel to refit, I dont have wait for an OP to get some PVP, or fly in a regular gang in remote areas searching for targets.
You obviously dont have an Alt in Privs, but I would encourage you to get on the other side of the fence and see how "easy" we have it.
What you fail to understand time and time again is that ccp has made it possible to be a trader, a miners or another peaceful player too. And that there should be room for them in corps and alliances to be able to play their role. If its only possible to do that in a npc corp or being escorted by a good number of fighters in empire than there is something seriously wrong.
They are part of an allaince - and could be funding 0.0 wars with empire "safety" - taking ISK out of an allaince is a viable war tatic, either by limiting highsec movements or stealing their hauler loads.
If they were in a small corp they would be under our Radar and probably avoid a war dec.
They are not unable to move goods, just unable/willing to adapt. I have offerd many other options besides paying mercs or using escorts or dropping corp/alliance banners.
No where in Eve is safe, its a PVP orinated game, the miners ore is used for combat ships/mods and it drives the ecomeny. When a pilot is ready for the whole game they leave the NPC corp and participate in the game as a "whole", working alongside or against other corps, players and organisations. I dont think that there is anything wrong with this. I move my ill gotten gains in haulers while at war with 50+ alliances, why cant others cope with just 1? (and yes I know we are empire based, but we have people with combat ships looking for us at every turn too)
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Mark Weston
Caldari The Graduates Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:40:00 -
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I was a member of ISS until a couple of weeks ago, and I'm pretty sure we had the distinction of being the alliance Privateers wardecced the most, going right back to when it was just a Corp.
Our experience, again going right back to the beginning, was that our PvPers could regularly get fights against them as individuals and in gangs, and win regularly. This "you just gank haulers, and run or dock to avoid fair fights" smacktalk describes a Privateers I just don't recognise. Inattentive hauler piltos got ganked, PvPers got to have fun, and tbh I can't remember hearing of Privateers ever targetting miners.
My losses to Privateers consisted almost entirely of;
1. PvP fights that I chose to engage in and lost 2. Flying while lazy and using the autopilot 3. Letting frustration and impatience make my decisions for me.
When I was playing sensibly and keeping my finger off the auto-pilot button, I was always able to avoid Privateers while doing my carebear stuff. There are so many tools available to help you avoid or minimise the risks; but the fact is, you have to make the effort and change the way you play. You know, this is an MMO. If you didn't want to interact with other people, why are you here?
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Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:46:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Sorted on 12/02/2007 16:43:37 Valeria Crossroads I think we have two different views on the game and neither of us is going to convince the other to change their views.
I see the game as an intergrated entity. Miners, traders, pirates, gankers, privateers, mission runners and combat pilots. All have their "roles" in making the game work and be an interesting place. like the wars in 0.0 being funded from high sec trade and the privateers helping to spread the wealth.
I belive you see the game as all of the above but as seperate entities, interacting when its mutual.
No place in eve was designed to be 100% safe. If you join an alliance its not just us who can shoot you - its any one your alliance is at war with. We just specialise in doing it in High Sec.
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Baru Pel
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:51:00 -
[120]
So let me understand this part. Some Corps have joined an 0.0 alliance that does not defend them in empire, and now are getting killed by the hundreds in empire. What is the benefit of being in the alliance then? 0.0 access? then you wouldn't be in empire. Defense? Well, they don't seem too willing to protect you in empire. then what good is the alliance? to keep you from getting shot at by war targets? No, really I don't understand?
Then some complain that they are too poor to hire merc or defend themselves. So how do you pay your alliance dues? I still don't get it.
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