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SleepingBuddah
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:36:00 -
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Yes, this is another privateers whine post.
It seems that wardec mechanism is unbalanced. It looks like someone very rich declares that he bought all police in the city and everybody is free to join him to kill people.
So, actually there is no police. You have to quit your corp or use alts to trade/haul stuff. It is really annoying.
Wardec mechanism should not be used in this way. As for now, if you start playing you have 2 choices: stay in NPC corp or join player corp and have 0.0 in empire.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:39:00 -
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Third choice: Learn how to fight or evade your enemies.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Juwi Kotch
Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: Juwi Kotch on 12/02/2007 10:39:18
Originally by: Rodj Blake Third choice: Learn how to fight or evade your enemies.
Does not work. The Privateers are aiming for miners and haulers, not fighters. You cannot evade them, since they are everywhere.
The OP is absolutely correct. The Privateers abuse the wardec system to create their own 0.0 playground in Empire, meaning they can roam without big risk, and putting everyone else into risk. For me that is an outright genious exploit of game mechanics, for CCP it is completely legit.
Juwi Kotch
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Riho
Red Wrath Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:41:00 -
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or got to 0.0 and live in free of the burden :D
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SleepingBuddah
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Third choice: Learn how to fight or evade your enemies.
That is choice for living in 0.0 Wrong one for me.
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Harpezza
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 10:57:00 -
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You dont like it call the cops!...oh wait nvm they are on our side
But seriously, how difficult is it to glance at local every few minutes. That plus warp to 0 makes all but the most retarded players invincible if they dont want to fight. |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Juwi Kotch Edited by: Juwi Kotch on 12/02/2007 10:39:18
Originally by: Rodj Blake Third choice: Learn how to fight or evade your enemies.
Does not work. The Privateers are aiming for miners and haulers, not fighters. You cannot evade them, since they are everywhere.
The OP is absolutely correct. The Privateers abuse the wardec system to create their own 0.0 playground in Empire, meaning they can roam without big risk, and putting everyone else into risk. For me that is an outright genious exploit of game mechanics, for CCP it is completely legit.
Juwi Kotch
As someone who's war with Privateers is finishing today, I have to disagree with you.
When I want to fight them, they're easy to find. When I don't want to fight them, I go and do my stuff in some out of the way system.
I don't think that we've lost a single hauler to them.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:01:00 -
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They pay the price for all the wardecs, literally.
If your corp is big enough for someone like Privateers to 'dec, you should have OOC haulers anyway. Or good haulers. ----------
IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: SleepingBuddah
Originally by: Rodj Blake Third choice: Learn how to fight or evade your enemies.
That is choice for living in 0.0 Wrong one for me.
It works in Empire as well.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: SleepingBuddah
Originally by: Rodj Blake Third choice: Learn how to fight or evade your enemies.
That is choice for living in 0.0 Wrong one for me.
It works in Empire as well.
It mainly works in Empire, in 0.0 your hard pressed to find anyone, let alone anyone who'll actually take a shot at you. ----------
IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win |
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Max Godsnottlingson
Amarr Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: Max Godsnottlingson on 12/02/2007 11:06:52 Sadly this has been a problem with Eve right from day one of it going live. Groups of players determined to screw over High Sec as quickly as possible and often for no other reason then to spoil others games. Sadly, PA have worked out the 'legel' loop hole that lets them play their lazy self centred game.
Your average PA member is too retarded to understand the negative effect that they are having on the game, and even if they could, most don't give a damn, they just want their nice easy game where they don't have to work hard to get easy kills.
And remember, any 'chimp' can be taught to sit on a gate and stack modules and skills together to kill unarmoured haulers and miners, it takes real skill and intelligence to PvP well.
But remember guys. 'The Chimps' ain't too bright, so it's not too hard to get around them. Make your NPC Corp hauling/mining Alts, use Contracts and jump clones to get around them. Better still make a few PvP Alts, slip them into PA and kick them hard from inside, get them to the stage where they don't know who is friend or foe, they'll soon go running off to momma crying their eyes out
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Blue Stratos
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Juwi Kotch Edited by: Juwi Kotch on 12/02/2007 10:39:18
Originally by: Rodj Blake Third choice: Learn how to fight or evade your enemies.
Does not work. The Privateers are aiming for miners and haulers, not fighters. You cannot evade them, since they are everywhere.
The OP is absolutely correct. The Privateers abuse the wardec system to create their own 0.0 playground in Empire, meaning they can roam without big risk, and putting everyone else into risk. For me that is an outright genious exploit of game mechanics, for CCP it is completely legit.
Juwi Kotch
Let me point something out from CCP's point of view and this will not change
IF YOUR IN A NPC CORP, YOUR SAFE IN EMPIRE, IF YOUR IN A WAR DECCABLE CORP, DONT COMPLAIN
Seriously, all of you, dont join alliances if you dont want to get war decced, simple as that
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:11:00 -
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The Privateers are one of the best concepts I have seen in this game thus far, and massive respect to them for pulling it off on this scale. ----------
IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win |
Willo Vasquez
Gallente Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:17:00 -
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Whilst I can understand people complaining about Privateers, they aren't exploiting, they are simply using a standard game mechanic in a bigger way. If they want to keep 50+ wars on the go at a time, then that's their choice to spend the money.
If one corp dec's another, it's a war, if one alliance dec's another, it's a war, but if one alliance dec's 50 odd corps / alliances, it's an exploit? Don't think so. I'm not defending Privateers, just suggesting that people keep this in prospective.
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Max Godsnottlingson Edited by: Max Godsnottlingson on 12/02/2007 11:06:52 Sadly this has been a problem with Eve right from day one of it going live. Groups of players determined to screw over High Sec as quickly as possible and often for no other reason then to spoil others games. Sadly, PA have worked out the 'legel' loop hole that lets them play their lazy self centred game.
Your average PA member is too retarded to understand the negative effect that they are having on the game, and even if they could, most don't give a damn, they just want their nice easy game where they don't have to work hard to get easy kills.
And remember, any 'chimp' can be taught to sit on a gate and stack modules and skills together to kill unarmoured haulers and miners, it takes real skill and intelligence to PvP well.
But remember guys. 'The Chimps' ain't too bright, so it's not too hard to get around them. Make your NPC Corp hauling/mining Alts, use Contracts and jump clones to get around them. Better still make a few PvP Alts, slip them into PA and kick them hard from inside, get them to the stage where they don't know who is friend or foe, they'll soon go running off to momma crying their eyes out
True words.
What's even more ironic is that the Privateers left 0.0 after getting spanked hard. They couldn't adapt to 0.0 but every time you see one of these threads raised, they and their following are always telling folks they have to adapt, even though the Privateers themselves couldn't adapt.
They are creating an arena in high sec that is unwelcoming to almost everyone. There are probably a few accounts lost each week due to the agressive griefing that Privateers does.
Perhaps in the wake of BoBgate, the devs might actually start looking at some of these unbalanced game mechanics and start fixing them so that they can maintain game growth. I'm afraid the next few months at least is gonna be rough for CCP and EVE.
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SleepingBuddah
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn The Privateers are one of the best concepts I have seen in this game thus far, and massive respect to them for pulling it off on this scale.
At least this concept must be BALANCED! If they pay for attack I must have the choice to pay for defend myself. I would easely giveaway 100kk/week to make my character safe. The entire corp could pay much more!
And CCP would have another great moneysink. It would be fair.
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Akyra C
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:25:00 -
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Privateers never were 0.0 alliance/corp. Since the beginning it was - pew pew with alliances in empire space.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:25:00 -
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The Privateers should be commended for bringing PVP to the front doorstep of all those chicken**** lame ass carebear corps that hide in empire.
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Melindor
Bladerunners Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:27:00 -
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There is no such place as save space.
The war part is part of the game, period. There are ways to take action against them: - choose to be perfectly safe in an npc corp. - recruit fighters in your corp to cover security during your ops. - recruit a merc corp who will love to blast them to kingdom come for a fee. - ...
There are a lot of people out there who would like to take action against them, so either talk to eachother, join forces or save up and hire some folks to do the dirty work for you.
And come one, there can't be any thrill to this game if there isn't some risk involved. A game is fun when you feel adrenaline rushing through your veins cause you're about to loose a billion isk ship or run into a blob 3 times your gang size.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: El'Niaga
Originally by: Max Godsnottlingson Edited by: Max Godsnottlingson on 12/02/2007 11:06:52 Sadly this has been a problem with Eve right from day one of it going live. Groups of players determined to screw over High Sec as quickly as possible and often for no other reason then to spoil others games. Sadly, PA have worked out the 'legel' loop hole that lets them play their lazy self centred game.
Your average PA member is too retarded to understand the negative effect that they are having on the game, and even if they could, most don't give a damn, they just want their nice easy game where they don't have to work hard to get easy kills.
And remember, any 'chimp' can be taught to sit on a gate and stack modules and skills together to kill unarmoured haulers and miners, it takes real skill and intelligence to PvP well.
But remember guys. 'The Chimps' ain't too bright, so it's not too hard to get around them. Make your NPC Corp hauling/mining Alts, use Contracts and jump clones to get around them. Better still make a few PvP Alts, slip them into PA and kick them hard from inside, get them to the stage where they don't know who is friend or foe, they'll soon go running off to momma crying their eyes out
True words.
What's even more ironic is that the Privateers left 0.0 after getting spanked hard. They couldn't adapt to 0.0 but every time you see one of these threads raised, they and their following are always telling folks they have to adapt, even though the Privateers themselves couldn't adapt.
They are creating an arena in high sec that is unwelcoming to almost everyone. There are probably a few accounts lost each week due to the agressive griefing that Privateers does.
Perhaps in the wake of BoBgate, the devs might actually start looking at some of these unbalanced game mechanics and start fixing them so that they can maintain game growth. I'm afraid the next few months at least is gonna be rough for CCP and EVE.
Only accounts that are lost are people who were playing the wrong game anyway.
Good on Privateers for making good on the usually empty threat of wardecs on empire player corps, and culling the herd a bit. ----------
IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win |
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: SleepingBuddah
Originally by: Crumplecorn The Privateers are one of the best concepts I have seen in this game thus far, and massive respect to them for pulling it off on this scale.
At least this concept must be BALANCED! If they pay for attack I must have the choice to pay for defend myself. I would easely giveaway 100kk/week to make my character safe. The entire corp could pay much more!
And CCP would have another great moneysink. It would be fair.
Why not just pay privateers to not wardec you? Sounds just fine to me. I think that is what CCP should do: make it an official way to pay a war dec ransom: if your corp/alliance pays a matching amount for the cost of the war dec to the attacking corp/alliance, then they are not allowed to kill you in empire. Every week the cost/ransom payment increases by 25%.
Sounds great in my book.
If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer. |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: SleepingBuddah
Originally by: Crumplecorn The Privateers are one of the best concepts I have seen in this game thus far, and massive respect to them for pulling it off on this scale.
At least this concept must be BALANCED! If they pay for attack I must have the choice to pay for defend myself. I would easely giveaway 100kk/week to make my character safe. The entire corp could pay much more!
And CCP would have another great moneysink. It would be fair.
It is balanced. You're allowed fire back.
And, assuming your response is going to be that you can't/won't fight back, well that's not an imbalance in the game. ----------
IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win |
SleepingBuddah
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:30:00 -
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Edited by: SleepingBuddah on 12/02/2007 11:30:38
Originally by: Willo Vasquez
If one corp dec's another, it's a war, if one alliance dec's another, it's a war, but if one alliance dec's 50 odd corps / alliances, it's an exploit? Don't think so. I'm not defending Privateers, just suggesting that people keep this in prospective.
Look at the wardec mechainsm closely. It is just a bribe to CONCORD to make it stay out of action. But the bribe is given only one way. Defending ally/corp cannot buy CONCORD protection back. That is the main flaw, I think.
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Akyra C Privateers never were 0.0 alliance/corp. Since the beginning it was - pew pew with alliances in empire space.
It is true that with the name Privateers they never were in 0.0 but they were founded by a group who left 0.0 and formed a new corp because they couldn't make it in 0.0.
They abandoned their old corps and started a new one and eventually made that into an Alliance.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: SleepingBuddah
Originally by: Crumplecorn It is balanced. You're allowed fire back.
And, assuming your response is going to be that you can't/won't fight back, well that's not an imbalance in the game.
One person developes as a warrior The other as a miner/hauler/trader
The warrior is given the right to kill the miner/hauler. And you call it balanced? Yes, miner can train some fighting skills, but it will not balance the game. Warrior is fighter by soul, miner is not. Where is the balance?
The mechanic is balanced, it is the people who are not. And it is at the very core of Eve that it does not protect you from your own choices. ----------
IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win |
El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Only accounts that are lost are people who were playing the wrong game anyway.
Good on Privateers for making good on the usually empty threat of wardecs on empire player corps, and culling the herd a bit.
That's the kind of thinking that's going to kill EVE. As much as you may not like them, the game needs the carebears as much as the PKs.
Without them who would do the mining for you? Who would build your ships?
Now we don't fully know what is going to be the fallout of recent events, but historically in MMOs players have not been very forgiving of major scandals/failures of games. EVEs gonna need every subscription it can get I'm afraid in the coming year.
I'm hoping the devs take more steps to clear the air. But persuing a game goal only to run off other players is griefing and not healthy for the game or those involved.
The current system has several flaws:
1. It is just to darn cheap. 2. There is no nonmutual limit on alliances, though there is one on corporations. There needs to be a limit, 3 per corp in the alliance is reasonable. 3. Corps should not be able to leave an alliance for at least a week after they join, also corps should not be able to join a new or the same alliance until a week has passed from their last departure. 4. ( Someone mentioned this in this thread) WHile you can bribe concord to look the other way ( declare war), you cannot bribe them to do their job. ( Also why do the various faction navies allow you to shoot at whoever, you don't bribe them?)
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 12/02/2007 11:40:05
Originally by: SleepingBuddah
Originally by: Crumplecorn It is balanced. You're allowed fire back.
And, assuming your response is going to be that you can't/won't fight back, well that's not an imbalance in the game.
One person developes as a warrior The other as a miner/hauler/trader
The warrior is given the right to kill the miner/hauler. And you call it balanced? Yes, miner can train some fighting skills, but it will not balance the game. Warrior is fighter by soul, miner is not. Where is the balance?
miner/hauler/trader can hire another warrior to kill the agressor?
afaik privateers targes are mainly alliances/corps that (also) operate in 0.0 .. so it's not likely that some 5 man up-start mining corp will get a wardec by privateers. ___________________
-Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: SleepingBuddah
Originally by: Crumplecorn The Privateers are one of the best concepts I have seen in this game thus far, and massive respect to them for pulling it off on this scale.
At least this concept must be BALANCED! If they pay for attack I must have the choice to pay for defend myself. I would easely giveaway 100kk/week to make my character safe. The entire corp could pay much more!
And CCP would have another great moneysink. It would be fair.
Or you and your corpmates could use that money to hire mercenaries to defend your haulers.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Le Skunk
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: El'Niaga
Originally by: Akyra C Privateers never were 0.0 alliance/corp. Since the beginning it was - pew pew with alliances in empire space.
It is true that with the name Privateers they never were in 0.0 but they were founded by a group who left 0.0 and formed a new corp because they couldn't make it in 0.0.
They abandoned their old corps and started a new one and eventually made that into an Alliance.
Gah so many posts whilst i am writing a reply :)
This is again totaly misinformed. Privateers corportaion was initially the idea of Infinity Ziona who funded the wars persoanly and invited anyone to join. A various mishmash of people joined from all walks of life. Including me.
There was never a 0.0 presence, and if fact this is kinda contrary to our business model.
If you mean to say some of our pilots used to operate in 0.0 well im sure some of them did. I was in 0.0 for a while and found fleet battles and warp in warp out sniping and station camping INCREDIBLY boring. So i then moved to an empire corp and after a while joined the privateers and have never looked back.
We were not founded by a group who left 0.0. Everyone in those first days was a stranger to each other, banded together to take advantage of the pool of wardecs.
SKUNK
My speeeling is my own and dos not represant the Privateer Corporation or Privateer alliance who incidentally are recruting pilots and corporations - Evemail me for details |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: El'Niaga
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Only accounts that are lost are people who were playing the wrong game anyway.
Good on Privateers for making good on the usually empty threat of wardecs on empire player corps, and culling the herd a bit.
That's the kind of thinking that's going to kill EVE. As much as you may not like them, the game needs the carebears as much as the PKs.
Without them who would do the mining for you? Who would build your ships?
Carebearing does not require that you are in a completely unwardeced high sec corp. People carebear under wardecs in empire, and carebear far far more profitably in 0.0.
And I don't dislike carebears, I am at least 50% carebear. I don't like anti-PvP whiners. ----------
IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win |
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