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Depp Knight
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 16:57:00 -
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"We have not been able to confirm nor deny the veracity of these allegations."
Pretty much that just says that CCP couldnÆt find any evidence to provide if the party was guilty or innocent, in other words not guilty.
Yet the tread lights up with finger pointing and players yelling out 'bob are cheats' Yes we all want a clear statement but till we get it why not remain civil? Instead a lot of you must believe in a conspiracy of some sorts. You donÆt lose that much faith over night, this is something you have thought about often and if you have gone that deep in the spiral then its time to look to spend your gaming time elsewhere because your yelling and finger pointing is getting nowhere and to be honest it kinda makes you look very naive.
It reminds me of religion. Though I donÆt want this to backlash on me but itÆs proven that there are many sections in the bible that have been proven false. People believe in religion because they do, its a way of comfort just like how is very comfortable to accuse BoB as cheaters, you believe it cause you do despite what has been stated.
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Logan Feynman
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.02.07 16:57:00 -
[542]
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Originally by: Avon If I was leaving Eve I would give my stuff to BNC.
What would you do with your stuff?
You don't think CCP devs should be held to a higher standard of ethics with regard to their interaction with in-game alliances?
Interesting.
What is unethical about giving your corp your stuff?
Don't you just find it slightly odd that a corp member would give several billion ISK worth of T2 BPO's to a corp? I mean, most people would quote happily kill to get one T2 BPO, let alone ten (unsure of precise number, I cba to find it)
This is not an accusation, just an observation.
If he was leaving, what else could he do with them? Give it to one of his alts and then to a new character he was about to create? Hmmm? .
"Life is no way to treat an animal." ~Tombstone of Kilgore Trout |
Depp Knight
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:04:00 -
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Quote: Don't you just find it slightly odd that a corp member would give several billion ISK worth of T2 BPO's to a corp? I mean, most people would quote happily kill to get one T2 BPO, let alone ten (unsure of precise number, I cba to find it)
This is not an accusation, just an observation.
----- Hope I got the quote right, very sleepy. But just to remind you RKK is a commie corp and to top it all off, if you were to pass on wouldnÆt you give what your financial investments to your love ones?
Heck some of us will donate their body parts if we had passed on. Same principal, if you leaved a game and plan not to return wouldnÆt you pass on your earnings to your pals in game? If your answer is no, then I find that odd to me and maybe many others as well.
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Goran
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:05:00 -
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Goonswarm are the alliance who hacked the Eve client to show standings in local chat before it was part of the game right? Moral highground? Heh! |
Dr Smythe
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Drakma
Originally by: Dr Smythe Edited by: Dr Smythe on 07/02/2007 16:56:34 OMG you anti-BoB haters are all n00bs.
Seriously, I know we all put a lot of time and effort into this game but get real. You are taking this way too seriously.
I hear calls for peoples jobs, I hear calls for CCP to leave well enough the game alone, I hear calls for people to have characters deleted and their possessions along with them.
I have not been in BoB long enough to know any of the particular parties but it does not even matter. It's the principle of the matter that counts and obviously most of you guys have 0 principles.
How dare you accuse people of things you have no clue about, how dare you ask for someones job when you have no idea of what their background is and who they are supporting. How dare you ask for characters to be deleted and possessions taken back. What right have you? Do you think you have a right because you pay Ç15 per month or how ever many multiples there maybe? You have no right. I rent my house do I have a right to knock it down. Do I have a right to blow in the windows and doors and not replace them to my landlords standards. NO.
CCP is your landord while you play this game. It is not a democracy. Your views are valued but beyond that you are what makes CCP rich.
If you can not get these points in to your heads then you are way too involved in EVE and possibly need physciatric help.
Get real, get lives outside of EvE.
OMG get laid this weekend to relieve all of the stress that all of you seem to be suffering from.
That is the Doc's orders
Ahhh yes.... name-calling makes it all better...
name calling < false accusations with out substantial evidence
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Dragutinovic
Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:05:00 -
[546]
Originally by: Dr Smythe Edited by: Dr Smythe on 07/02/2007 16:56:34 OMG you anti-BoB haters are all n00bs.
Hows Montezuma ?
Oh wait thats right ....... _____________
Im back !
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FireFoxx80
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 07/02/2007 17:03:08
Originally by: Logan Feynman
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Originally by: Logan Feynman
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Originally by: Avon If I was leaving Eve I would give my stuff to BNC.
What would you do with your stuff?
You don't think CCP devs should be held to a higher standard of ethics with regard to their interaction with in-game alliances?
Interesting.
What is unethical about giving your corp your stuff?
Don't you just find it slightly odd that a corp member would give several billion ISK worth of T2 BPO's to a corp? I mean, most people would quote happily kill to get one T2 BPO, let alone ten (unsure of precise number, I cba to find it)
This is not an accusation, just an observation.
If he was leaving, what else could he do with them? Give it to one of his alts and then to a new character he was about to create? Hmmm?
I would.
And this would not be cheating?
How?
As a player, if my character was banned, then all my assets and ISK would be seized.
As a player, if I was killing off a character and starting afresh, I would most definitely give him billions of ISK.
If I was leaving Eve permanently then yes, I might give items to friends. Or probably just eBay them if I intended never yo return.
Edit: only we now know from CCP that 'discovered' employees just have to change their character name.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80
If I was leaving Eve permanently then yes, I might give items to friends. Or probably just eBay them if I intended never yo return.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Drakma
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:07:00 -
[549]
Originally by: Dr Smythe
Originally by: Drakma
Originally by: Dr Smythe Edited by: Dr Smythe on 07/02/2007 16:56:34 OMG you anti-BoB haters are all n00bs.
Seriously, I know we all put a lot of time and effort into this game but get real. You are taking this way too seriously.
I hear calls for peoples jobs, I hear calls for CCP to leave well enough the game alone, I hear calls for people to have characters deleted and their possessions along with them.
I have not been in BoB long enough to know any of the particular parties but it does not even matter. It's the principle of the matter that counts and obviously most of you guys have 0 principles.
How dare you accuse people of things you have no clue about, how dare you ask for someones job when you have no idea of what their background is and who they are supporting. How dare you ask for characters to be deleted and possessions taken back. What right have you? Do you think you have a right because you pay Ç15 per month or how ever many multiples there maybe? You have no right. I rent my house do I have a right to knock it down. Do I have a right to blow in the windows and doors and not replace them to my landlords standards. NO.
CCP is your landord while you play this game. It is not a democracy. Your views are valued but beyond that you are what makes CCP rich.
If you can not get these points in to your heads then you are way too involved in EVE and possibly need physciatric help.
Get real, get lives outside of EvE.
OMG get laid this weekend to relieve all of the stress that all of you seem to be suffering from.
That is the Doc's orders
Ahhh yes.... name-calling makes it all better...
name calling < false accusations with out substantial evidence
Ok, I see... the lesser of two evils defense.
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Goran Goonswarm are the alliance who hacked the Eve client to show standings in local chat before it was part of the game right? Moral highground? Heh!
t1 goonies no respect tbqh
YARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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FireFoxx80
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: FireFoxx80
If I was leaving Eve permanently then yes, I might give items to friends. Or probably just eBay them if I intended never yo return.
Let's be honest Avon. If you were never intending to return to a game; why not make some RL money out of it? After all the only risk would be the killing of an account and a game that you never want to play again.
What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass! |
Digioso
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:08:00 -
[552]
Originally by: Dr Smythe
How dare you accuse people of things you have no clue about
Please, enlighten us then. -------------------------------------- Mess with the best, die like the rest. |
Sally Va
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:08:00 -
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Hi, my name is Simon, i'm 32 years old and i'm a BoB hater.
It started a few years ago when I first came into contact with them. They promptly podded me for no apparent reason flying in their T2 ships and smacktalking poor old noobish me. Later on, I discovered they were manipulating the markets by hoarding T2 bpo's and selling overpriced T2 mods/ships to everyone else, and making them at cost or giving them away to their own members.
Jealousy quickly turned into hate.
I'm no longer jealous now. It feels like a great burden has fallen off my shoulders to finally realize the truth. I just feel sorry for all the time I've played this game and payed for it. Now EVERYBODY knows how CCP favors BoB and has been secretly helping them all along.
I wouldn't believe it in the past, when people said BoB were being helped by CCP DEVS. It seemed so incredibly far fetched it just couldn't be true. Tinfoil hattery and what not. How disappointing to find out it's all true afterall.
In a way, I am thankful though. It's finally opened my eyes and I can now say 'I QUIT and will never return'.
And yep, you can have my stuff, cause i feel sorry for you if you still don't realize you're being played like a tool by 'CROWD CONTROL PRODUCTIONS'
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Riddari
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:09:00 -
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It is a shame to see t20 being primary target.
There is no doubt in my mind that he got these BPOs through lottery or purchases, not through nefarious means as a lot of people seem to think.
His mistake was to acknowledge his DEV identity and in not trying to mask himself by using gmail address for example.
Sounds unfair to call for dismissal for that.
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Frostbyt
Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:10:00 -
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Sorry if this is a revisiting of something previously mentioned, but replies are coming in faster than I can read (and disappearing just as fast, whole posts, not just snips, what's up with that?)
Allow me to start this off by saying that I have always laughed at the tin foil theories, and have friends on all sides of the game, including BoB. That is until the 2nd to last Alliance PvP Tournament.
Lamond was being interviewed in a live segment. They asked him what kind of PvP he enjoyed most. He went into a detailed description of how he loves to gank mission runners. Immediately after that interview there was supposed to be a match, but for one reason or another, the match was delayed, so they went to a pre-record. That pre-record included an interview with Lamond. He was describing how much time and work he puts into being the LEAD MISSION DESIGNER.
That was enough for me to atleast be open to consider the theories. I immediately started asking my alliance if they all heard what I heard and most of them laughed at me and called me paranoid etc. Of course, I'm an American and more likely to be skeptical of "status quo" activity than my mostly UK alliance mates, as reflected in history :P.
There have clearly been wrong doings. There has been cheating. There are clearly Dev's posting in this thread on "anonymous" names (I'm sure you can point out a few of the most prolific and obvious). It's clear that this scandal reaches to the top of the company; and I might even be reading some passive aggressiveness in Kieron's post like "I wish there was more we could do but we've been told to shut up about it."
Quote: If there are more concerns that have not been addressed, please forward them to me. I will ensure they are thoroughly investigated. As for the recent investigation, I do not know anything more about it than what is in the above statement.
The above tells me NOTHING substantial is planned or will be done, ever, to change the way the game works or is handled. Devs will still have the uber chars, BOB and other alliances/players will still maintain their ill gotten gains, and the game will continue to be a cheaters and oldest players' paradise.
2 Accounts cancelled here - and I don't even pay my own money; but it is SOMEONE's money buying those GTC's that I fund my accounts with.
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Sinlare
Gallente Sinlare Auditorium
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani Edited by: The Mittani on 07/02/2007 16:58:38 ^^^ You should put a leash on your boys. This type of post will further reinforce the negative stereotypes of BoB that I assume Avon and Dian are here to try to spin away from. "How dare you say anything bad about us" when there is a scandal afoot has never been a wise PR move, just ask any politican, ever.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80
Let's be honest Avon. If you were never intending to return to a game; why not make some RL money out of it? After all the only risk would be the killing of an account and a game that you never want to play again.
No, I can honestly say I wouldn't.
I have SWG, EQ2, MxO, UO, and DDo accounts which I could probably shift for a hefty sum of money. Haven't yet, don't plan on doing so.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Logan Feynman
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sally Va Hi, my name is Simon, i'm 32 years old and i'm a BoB hater.
It started a few years ago when I first came into contact with them. They promptly podded me for no apparent reason flying in their T2 ships and smacktalking poor old noobish me. Later on, I discovered they were manipulating the markets by hoarding T2 bpo's and selling overpriced T2 mods/ships to everyone else, and making them at cost or giving them away to their own members.
Jealousy quickly turned into hate.
I'm no longer jealous now. It feels like a great burden has fallen off my shoulders to finally realize the truth. I just feel sorry for all the time I've played this game and payed for it. Now EVERYBODY knows how CCP favors BoB and has been secretly helping them all along.
I wouldn't believe it in the past, when people said BoB were being helped by CCP DEVS. It seemed so incredibly far fetched it just couldn't be true. Tinfoil hattery and what not. How disappointing to find out it's all true afterall.
In a way, I am thankful though. It's finally opened my eyes and I can now say 'I QUIT and will never return'.
And yep, you can have my stuff, cause i feel sorry for you if you still don't realize you're being played like a tool by 'CROWD CONTROL PRODUCTIONS'
Cheers!
This would be very funny... if it had /sarcasm at the start. .
"Life is no way to treat an animal." ~Tombstone of Kilgore Trout |
Jacob Majestic
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Fi T'Zeh To be completely frank with you, I don't find it odd at all. That might be because I've only ever existed in one corp, which works on a communist model. Our members regularly kill officer spawns and hand over the modules for sale for corp benefit. In the last week we have been running at 100% corp tax and in the history of Evolution I would estimate that up to 50% of our BPOs have come from our members winning them in the lottery and presenting them to the corp. That's how we work.
So to reiterate, no I don't find it odd. Not everyone is motivated by personal gain in this game.
1. That sort of asset distribution is the exception, not the rule.
2. Whether or not the assets became personally-owned after the transfer, the assets were still valuable. If the assets were improperly acquired, the alliance in question would have received substantial improper advantage.
3. It has been alleged that there were payments made to alts of the dev in question by the alliance in question for use of the BPOs that were turned over. If these allegations are true, the dev in question continued to profit from the relationship with the alliance in question even after the relationship was formally dissolved.
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Jane Spondogolo
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:12:00 -
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BOB guys. Chill man. NOBODY is suggesting that rank and file BOB members are corrupt. The community isnt going to go "in that little gate fight I just had, I got pwned by a bob and OH GOD CORRUPTION UP TO THE TOP". Infact arguably, this isnt about BOB at all.
Furthermore, I'd suggest that all things being equal, theres devs in ALL of the "big 5" (bob, D2, redswarm, LV, AAA) alliances or federations.
Thing is, I *personally* want them ALL out. Yes, it means the devs get a good view of the game. Problem is, MORALLY, the downfalls outweigh the benifits. Frankly I'd rather wait another extra two weeks for the lag to be fixed , hell its been there for 2-3 years anyway, rather than know this game has god 'toons' monstering about foobaring the natural flow of gameplay.
SURELY theres a way for devs to enjoy the game (As I suggested before, how about Concord 'special forces') , without favoring players, AND ALSO , being able to monitor stuff. Stick a GM in fleet battles. Keep a constant feedback sticky thread in the forum (transparancy and free speech is GOOD believe it or not!) , whatever. Its not the only solution.
This is a crisis of confidence. The first step to recovery is this thread itself, and lets give CCP three cheers for letting this thread exist. But the next step is LISTENING to us. And the step after that is ACTION. We know you guys adore this game as much as we do. Lets work together to keep this game great. You dont *HAVE* to do this alone!
And BOB, chill out. This lynch mob isnt after you, its just irate that your so damn defensive about it.
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Logan Feynman
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:13:00 -
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Edited by: Logan Feynman on 07/02/2007 17:10:08
Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Originally by: Fi T'Zeh To be completely frank with you, I don't find it odd at all. That might be because I've only ever existed in one corp, which works on a communist model. Our members regularly kill officer spawns and hand over the modules for sale for corp benefit. In the last week we have been running at 100% corp tax and in the history of Evolution I would estimate that up to 50% of our BPOs have come from our members winning them in the lottery and presenting them to the corp. That's how we work.
So to reiterate, no I don't find it odd. Not everyone is motivated by personal gain in this game.
1. That sort of asset distribution is the exception, not the rule.
2. Whether or not the assets became personally-owned after the transfer, the assets were still valuable. If the assets were improperly acquired, the alliance in question would have received substantial improper advantage.
3. It has been alleged that there were payments made to alts of the dev in question by the alliance in question for use of the BPOs that were turned over. If these allegations are true, the dev in question continued to profit from the relationship with the alliance in question even after the relationship was formally dissolved.
As to 1) RKK is a communist corp. As to 2) and 3) ... that's a lot of ifs. .
"Life is no way to treat an animal." ~Tombstone of Kilgore Trout |
Lyer
THE BLUE FLAG
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Smythe Edited by: Dr Smythe on 07/02/2007 16:56:34 OMG you anti-BoB haters are all n00bs.
Seriously, I know we all put a lot of time and effort into this game but get real. You are taking this way too seriously.
I hear calls for peoples jobs, I hear calls for CCP to leave well enough the game alone, I hear calls for people to have characters deleted and their possessions along with them.
I have not been in BoB long enough to know any of the particular parties but it does not even matter. It's the principle of the matter that counts and obviously most of you guys have 0 principles.
How dare you accuse people of things you have no clue about, how dare you ask for someones job when you have no idea of what their background is and who they are supporting. How dare you ask for characters to be deleted and possessions taken back. What right have you? Do you think you have a right because you pay Ç15 per month or how ever many multiples there maybe? You have no right. I rent my house do I have a right to knock it down. Do I have a right to blow in the windows and doors and not replace them to my landlords standards. NO.
CCP is your landord while you play this game. It is not a democracy. Your views are valued but beyond that you are what makes CCP rich.
If you can not get these points in to your heads then you are way too involved in EVE and possibly need physciatric help.
Get real, get lives outside of EvE.
OMG get laid this weekend to relieve all of the stress that all of you seem to be suffering from.
That is the Doc's orders
You can read the forums with your head that far up your new masters a**e, omg!! Wait this is part of the entrance exam isnt it, thats ok then.
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Iva Soreass
FireStar Inc Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:15:00 -
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You know when i first started this game i became aware of the anti bob brigade cause ppl i knew in game always talked **** about em and every one on the forums slagged em off, i won't deny i kinda leaned that way to for abit, untill i started reading into them myself, talked to a few of them and relised they were genuinely nice ppl who were just good at what they do. I soon relised its just a bad case of envy and have laughed tiredlessly at the anti bob brigade since, who try to pin and point everything at them.
BoB are guilty untill proven guilty! cause some one with NO credentials who hacks sh*t to stir up trouble said so! BoB must of got free T2 bpo's cause some idiot said so ! how about PROOF OR STFU? hows that?
So what if a few devs were in BoB, what better place to try n test the game they are contiunly trying to improve then in the probley the best alliance in game.
Like some one else said, cause of this retard who hacked up **** now a dev//devs who are PEOPLE TO, who played the game they made and loved and built char's up for years now have nothing cause of this retard. I hope he never gets to play eve again, **** him and his retarded crusade.
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Vasiliyan
PAX Interstellar Services Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:16:00 -
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And what of the T2 BPOs?
Because of the closed way the "lottery" is run, there is no way to retrospectively discover whether those devs that had them had them fairly or not. They should not be transferred to the corps those devs have been forced to leave, that just perpetuates the injustice.
(CCP should have run the lottery in public with some sort of public random number generator, so it could be seen to be fair. It's too late for this now)
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Frostbyt
Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:16:00 -
[565]
Quote: Posted - 2007.02.07 09:54:00 - [158] - Quote --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally by: Niaski Zalani --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Actually I host a paying customer. My work is quite separate from my in-game associations, but think what you will :D --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Good to know that even in real life you support criminals.
So basicially, you're saying that ccp is capable of separating characters and responsability but he isn't? Do you see the problem?
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XirtamVotf
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:20:00 -
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Kcel what are you on about Sir Molle posted his name and where he worked,where he lived and was going to get him fired from his real life job.
These were numerous postings by Sir molle, so it isnt what you say, evidently you didnt read all of them.
To CCP and fact based, this has been going on for over a year, accusations about devs in BOB. BOB totally denied that this was true, now later the IPs that BOB denied have removed those devs from the game that the player base KNEW were in BOB, but CCP didnt investigate at the onset of the allegations until Knug exposed it.
Everyone has stated proof or stfu stance, but how does the community prove its feelings of "if it walks like a duck , it is a duck".
So many instances can be directed towards the short comings , and I mean fact based instances, that it smacks of either ignorance, or they just dont care by CCP employees.
I truly love this game,it has been the most enjoyment I have ever had in a MMO. So I dont think the community as a whole is on a witch hunt, I know Im not. I just want to play the game with an even playing field, thats all.. anyone wants.
This is not the case .. the devs involved,and the players in BOB KNEW well before this came out that they were Devs, and CCP did nothing way back when.
Ask yourself a few questions before you accuse me of being a "digger" or a BOB hater.
How did Sir Molle obtain that critical information in the first place? Why did a Dev in BOB and Dianabolic have open messages on their forums looking for the IP?
You can call this a witch hunt all you want, but it is NOT a witch hunt.
Either Sir Molle hacked this info, or the dev gave it to him.
More Proof was in the messages between Diana and Ishos and Lord Stone RKK part 4 that is hard evidence listing all the Ips that the players knew that they had multiple devs in their allaince
The community cant be spoon fed, they must read for themselves in Knugs posting of the BOB forum and see what there, and transpiring. I dont think ANYTHING was altered or MADE up, for what end did Knug do this? Maybe because other players in this game have taken advantage of the game and he was sick of it?
NO witch hunt gentlemen
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Jacob Majestic
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:22:00 -
[567]
Originally by: Logan Feynman Edited by: Logan Feynman on 07/02/2007 17:10:08
Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Originally by: Fi T'Zeh To be completely frank with you, I don't find it odd at all. That might be because I've only ever existed in one corp, which works on a communist model. Our members regularly kill officer spawns and hand over the modules for sale for corp benefit. In the last week we have been running at 100% corp tax and in the history of Evolution I would estimate that up to 50% of our BPOs have come from our members winning them in the lottery and presenting them to the corp. That's how we work.
So to reiterate, no I don't find it odd. Not everyone is motivated by personal gain in this game.
1. That sort of asset distribution is the exception, not the rule.
2. Whether or not the assets became personally-owned after the transfer, the assets were still valuable. If the assets were improperly acquired, the alliance in question would have received substantial improper advantage.
3. It has been alleged that there were payments made to alts of the dev in question by the alliance in question for use of the BPOs that were turned over. If these allegations are true, the dev in question continued to profit from the relationship with the alliance in question even after the relationship was formally dissolved.
As to 1) RKK is a communist corp. As to 2) and 3) ... that's a lot of ifs.
1. RKK may be a communist corp, but it has been alleged that payments were made to an alt of the dev in question anyway.
As for 2 and 3, you're right, that is a lot of "if"s. However, if you work for the US Mint and the police finds $10,000 in marked bills in your house, the police should start making allegations and asking questions that involve "if", shouldn't they?
The fact of the matter is that a dev with the power to create and destroy in-game assets was forced to leave an in-game alliance and allegedly transferred in-game assets to corp members before he left, assets which he allegedly continued to profit from after his separation with the corp.
Explain to me why exactly I should give the dev in question the benefit of the doubt.
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Secret Santa
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:22:00 -
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First off, I think that Eve benefits greatly from the fact that the Devs play it "after work" so to speak. I have played many games where the people working on the game did not care about the finished product, just sales. I believe CCP/Eve is different than other publishers in that respect. IMO this situation is different than someone being petitioned for exploiting and more detail is needed. As it stands I am not satisfied with the side-stepping of the issues that has taken place in the OP.
I think that it is time that the T2 BPO Lottery be abolished. It is very apparent that it does not work, and after this incident there will be very few Eve players that put any faith in it.
Kieron, we need more details than you have provided. A lot of us understand that making any kind of statement about something like this is no easy task. To be honest though, you have not really told us anything concrete. Your subscribers need to know specifics about what was or was not given to players by Devs, the actions taken against those GM/Devs (if required) and what is going to be done to fix the issue in the future.
I truly hope we get more than this. Knowing that the players have the full attention of CCP is what separates Eve and CCP from failures like SWG etc.
Will we get more information? Or will this thread simply continue until it becomes another Eve-O flame-fest?
IBTL?
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Starfinder
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:22:00 -
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I for one am very disappointed with the response from CCP to the alleged dev misconduct. There is a complete lack of information and concern for the customers concerns. CCP seems to be more concerned that devs were outed, than with any charges of dev misconduct. After reading their response, I have no idea if they actually found misconduct, what specifically was done and what is being done in the future to prevent this type of potential abuse. TBH, it looks like they spent more time crafting their carefully worded statement for PR, than actually doing any serious investigation. I guess it is their game and they can do what they want to, but it is my money and I don't have to send it to them each month. I can't imagine why anyone who is not addicted would continue to play this game unless CCP provides a lot more details of the investigation and the countermeasures being put in place.
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Andrus Delai
Mayven Omni Gestalt
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: FGxHalsey Please address the blueprint issue.
Also may I suggest that CCP employees should be forbidden from becoming part of the leadership of any major corp or alliance in the game. I think that goes too far into removing their objectivity and tempts them too much to abuse their position.
I agree. These are the two issues that I am the most disturbed about. The BPO issue needs to be explained. How did the Dev get all of those BPOs so fast? And if they were obtained through questionable means, what will be done to rectify the situation?
And I'll repeat this for emphasis. No CCP employee should be allowed to become part of the leadership of a major corp or alliance. It would tempt abuse by some, but there is an even larger problem. CCP employess are likely to have information about the game to which the rest of the players have no access. In addition, they may also be privy to changes that are scheduled for the game long before they even make it to the patch notes. How can decisions not be affected by this knowledge?
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