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ArmyOfMe
Hull Breach. Outnumbered.
510
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Posted - 2015.11.02 14:28:30 -
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Jared Khanar wrote:Reading a bit through the capital change devblog - found something I-¦m waiting for since this SP trading announcement ... arrived. Sadly I have overlooked it until now https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/reworking-capital-ships-and-thus-it-begins/ Quote: All existing capital sized modules will be getting a full set of Meta, Tech 2, and Faction variants. Yes, this includes Tech 2 guns (and the skills for them). We're also introducing a bunch of new modules
Player: We want to use the new, reworked capitals ccp: not with your current skills, bro player: what are we gonna do now? wait? fu ccp: guess what ... we have an idea... *locking tractor beam @ customers wallet* Like ccp seagull roughly said: the sp trading feature is fundamentally needed for the things to come Without this, right after release the new content may be inaccessible, dead content (completly / partly) until players grow into it (depending on the numbers of new skills this may take a while). Nope, ready to go for the new mods already
And its not like players cant start training for the t2 mods already if they botherd to. no need to buy sp to do that.
QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken
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Jared Khanar
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Posted - 2015.11.02 14:35:19 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:Nope, ready to go for the new mods already And its not like players cant start training for the t2 mods already if they botherd to. no need to buy sp to do that.
Well ok, if the skills are already ingame and can be skilled i-¦m a bit misguided then and need to rethink a bit. The devblog stating:
Quote: All existing capital sized modules will be getting a full set of Meta, Tech 2, and Faction variants. Yes, this includes Tech 2 guns (and the skills for them). We're also introducing a bunch of new modules
lead me to assumption that new skills will be introduced into the game...
Economic Services
trading spacepixels
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ArmyOfMe
Hull Breach. Outnumbered.
510
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Posted - 2015.11.02 15:08:58 -
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Jared Khanar wrote:
EDIT: as i-¦m not ingame atm i have taken a closer look at evemon. Sadly i havent found the new skills for t2 cap guns. only Capital Energy Turret / Capital Hybrid Turret / Capital Projectile Turret. May you be so kind to link me to this already existing skills, so i can take a closer look at them to inform myself a bit more about this? I-¦m not a cap pilot myself.
Well, im just guessing here, but i figure the skill reqs for t2 capital guns will be the same as for any other size t2 gun, as in lvl 5 capital turret, and maxed out gunnery support skills for the capitals. Pretty much the same as i expect t2 xl remote reps to require lvl 5 capital remote reps trained.
QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken
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Jared Khanar
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Posted - 2015.11.02 15:12:42 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote: Well, im just guessing here, but i figure the skill reqs for t2 capital guns will be the same as for any other size t2 gun, as in lvl 5 capital turret, and maxed out gunnery support skills for the capitals. Pretty much the same as i expect t2 xl remote reps to require lvl 5 capital remote reps trained.
Devblog says there will be new Meta, t2, faction modules AND skills for them. Doesn-¦t this mean that these new modules and skills are not ingame already?
Economic Services
trading spacepixels
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ArmyOfMe
Hull Breach. Outnumbered.
510
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Posted - 2015.11.02 15:24:41 -
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Jared Khanar wrote:ArmyOfMe wrote: Well, im just guessing here, but i figure the skill reqs for t2 capital guns will be the same as for any other size t2 gun, as in lvl 5 capital turret, and maxed out gunnery support skills for the capitals. Pretty much the same as i expect t2 xl remote reps to require lvl 5 capital remote reps trained.
Devblog says there will be new Meta, t2, faction modules AND skills for the t2 ones. Doesn-¦t this mean that these new modules and skills are not ingame already? I-¦m searching through the related discussion threads a bit - just give me a moment Well, when it comes to new skills im guessing they are talking about x-large gun spec skills, which are indeed not ingame yet, and wont be until the weapons are released. Faction and meta modules dont usually require any new skills, and i sincerly doubt they will require it for the capital versions either.
QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken
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Jared Khanar
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Posted - 2015.11.02 16:35:28 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote: Well, when it comes to new skills im guessing they are talking about x-large gun spec skills, which are indeed not ingame yet, and wont be until the weapons are released. Faction and meta modules dont usually require any new skills, and i sincerly doubt they will require it for the capital versions either.
Ok, no reliable information released, yet. people posting about skills in the cap change thread are writing about the skills unneccessary thanks to
- no more drones on caps - no more effective logi / triage on caps expect the new aux caps - new skills lvl 5 for new guns?
but also
- fighters / bombers will be rearranged into light / med / heavy squads - new skills like light / med / heavy drones? the current two fighter / fighterbomber skills make sense anymore? (no info available) - new aux caps use exitent racial ship skills? (no info available)
Yes, thx... I guess it-¦s better to be silent on this until more information is released. Maybe a ccp dev or someone who definetly knows about the details likes to respond on the question of possible new skills regarding the cap and citadel changes here?
Economic Services
trading spacepixels
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Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
586
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Posted - 2015.11.02 17:16:59 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:... Well, when it comes to new skills im guessing they are talking about x-large gun spec skills, which are indeed not ingame yet, and wont be until the weapons are released. ... I gather that will be no problem whatsoever. On release day the x-large gun spec skills will be released. The TII guns themselves however will first have to be invented and then build, which will probably take a few days in total. By the time the first manufactured XL TII guns hit the market, everyone that has the pre-reqs has had the chance to train the skills at least to lvl 1.
Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format.
Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1323
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Posted - 2015.11.02 17:29:03 -
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I have removed some troll replies and those quoting them.
Quote:5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
ISD Decoy
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
500
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Posted - 2015.11.02 19:56:10 -
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ISD Decoy wrote:I have removed some troll replies and those quoting them. Quote:5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
I don't know... Looks like the last 100 pages are still full of trolls. Hell, this dev blog feels like a troll post. I had to double check it's not April first. :) |
General Lootit
RDS Academy Everyb0dy Knows
152
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Posted - 2015.11.02 20:18:46 -
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Niko Lorenzio wrote:ISD Decoy wrote:I have removed some troll replies and those quoting them. Quote:5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. I don't know... Looks like the last 100 pages are still full of trolls. Hell, this dev blog feels like a troll post. I had to double check it's not April first. :) They were my posts
Pinky Bear
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Suede
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2015.11.02 20:21:18 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:[img]http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/68656/1/skilltrade1_550.jpg[/img] The Character Bazaar has been around for a while, allowing enterprising players to buy and sell characters from others. Lately, we've been exploring some new ideas around improving it, but ultimately realized that our effort was better spent investigating a similar idea: skill trading. This is a pretty big thing, so make sure you read the entire dev blog, and let us know what you think of the ideas inside. Please also read this reminder on our forum rules ~ ISD Decoy
is this a way to remove the Attributes, which came up by the CSM and CCP
http://crossingzebras.com/a-farewell-to-attributes/
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/Meetings/summit/CSM9-WS-D1.pdf
the CSM9 Winter Summit Minutes, (read the Minutes here), in the session with Team Size Matters on Day 1, the matter of character attributes was discussed:
Removal of attributes was also mentioned, but the idea is still in quite an early stage. ItGÇÖs something [CCP GamesGÇÖ devs] want to do as itGÇÖs on the level as learning skills, so that people donGÇÖt have to get locked into training skills in a non-optimal order for use, in order to train at the optimal speed. There is still some discussion around what would possibly be done with learning implants (keep them, flat bonus, something else). There are also questions as to what the rate would be with the changes. Ali [Aras] brought up some feedback that some veteran players like the space it gives you to optimize your character, but overall supports removing attributes. There was also the point of learning implants [as a] disincentive [to] PVP, especially in null and WH. |
ArmyOfMe
Hull Breach. Outnumbered.
510
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Posted - 2015.11.02 21:01:24 -
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ISD Decoy wrote:I have removed some troll replies and those quoting them. Quote:5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. I hate to say it, but the biggest troll in this thread is by far CCP that posts a dev-blog like this, then doesnt reply to a single one of the concerned replys in here. (starting to think you might have given them a forumban due to making your workload 10x worse )
QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken
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Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
501
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Posted - 2015.11.02 21:23:21 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:ISD Decoy wrote:I have removed some troll replies and those quoting them. Quote:5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. I hate to say it, but the biggest troll in this thread is by far CCP that posts a dev-blog like this, then doesnt reply to a single one of the concerned replys in here. (starting to think you might have given them a forumban due to making your workload 10x worse )
Judging by the rumors from eve Vegas, this is coming to eve. Seagull also promised another dev blog with an update. This is no way to hold dialogue with the players. They keep asking for constructive feedback but when we give it to them its left hanging to dry and rot. Then they wonder why nobody gives constructive feedback anymore and is just passed off all the time.
We've been giving constructive feedback for the last four years. For the last four years we have been ignored, changes go through anyway and then the community goes batshit crazy. |
Thrash Trash
Apex Syndicates
1
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Posted - 2015.11.02 22:12:39 -
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I'm still very new to the game but even I am iffy on this. Pay to win takes away all the sense of accomplishment you get from patiently waiting that 30 day skill to finish. I'm said before, it might be cool if the more you used something in a given skill tree, the higher multiplier you got on that skill. ( ie. the more time you spend in a caldari battleship while training caldari battleship, the faster it trains. it stands to reason that you would get better at something the more you did it from a strictly role playing viewpoint. Maybe cap the total reduction it overall skill training time to 25-30% so youre still waiting a good 3 weeks on a 30 days skill.) I think that would be a better way to help new players and vets alike on top of implant bonuses. that way people who can not afford a set of +5 snake implants can still speed up their skill training while learning how to use their hulls efectivly. Thoughts?? This is my first post so go easy lol! |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1703
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Posted - 2015.11.02 22:25:41 -
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Niko Lorenzio wrote:Judging by the rumors from eve Vegas, this is coming to eve. Seagull also promised another dev blog with an update. This is no way to hold dialogue with the players. They keep asking for constructive feedback but when we give it to them its left hanging to dry and rot. Then they wonder why nobody gives constructive feedback anymore and is just passed off all the time.
We've been giving constructive feedback for the last four years. For the last four years we have been ignored, changes go through anyway and then the community goes batshit crazy. I want to use the forum you're using with the 4 years of constructive posts. The one I've been using has had this same level of response to just about anything someone didn't like.
And most of this thread hasn't been dialogue-worthy IMHO. I wouldn't want to engage in conversation with the blatantly accusatory tone here and don't envy those that try. |
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
502
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Posted - 2015.11.02 22:48:07 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Niko Lorenzio wrote:Judging by the rumors from eve Vegas, this is coming to eve. Seagull also promised another dev blog with an update. This is no way to hold dialogue with the players. They keep asking for constructive feedback but when we give it to them its left hanging to dry and rot. Then they wonder why nobody gives constructive feedback anymore and is just passed off all the time.
We've been giving constructive feedback for the last four years. For the last four years we have been ignored, changes go through anyway and then the community goes batshit crazy. I want to use the forum you're using with the 4 years of constructive posts. The one I've been using has had this same level of response to just about anything someone didn't like. And most of this thread hasn't been dialogue-worthy IMHO. I wouldn't want to engage in conversation with the blatantly accusatory tone here and don't envy those that try.
I can't speak for the past twelve years as personally I hate using the forums but I have been actively watching them and participated since incarna. I'll just list several major occasions that come to mind where we gave constructive feedback BEFORE the changes happened, and they ignored us.
New inventory UI Latest probing mechanics Loot spew Bounty mechanics Aggression safety mechanics Aegis/Fozzie Sov New industry system (although they did address many of the issues and only left some to hang and dry)
That's just a few I can think of right now. If I really thought hard I could list dozens. If you read the thread you'll see plenty of valid points and constructive feedback even if it's soaked in some bitter tears. And personally I think that bitterness had accumulated over the years as a result of CCP attitude.
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A Ingus
Purveyors of Uber Research Valuables and Ships
67
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Posted - 2015.11.03 03:43:10 -
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Guys guys, all you have to do is compose one line calling someone a troll. This will get that someone post deleted. But your post calling that someone a troll will remain in the thread.
Therefore, OP is a troll. |
Magnus Roden
Center for the Advancement of Human Endeavour
22
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Posted - 2015.11.03 11:53:16 -
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This is a really bad idea because it starts to gnaw at a very basic concept within EVE: Choices have consequences.
The choices one makes in regards to character name, attribute remaps and skill training are perpetuated when/if that character gets sold but with this idea you just gobble up the pure SP, from any character and any skills, and distribute it as you please. So while one could say that "it's the same thing" it really isn't, it really really really isn't. Any attempt to try and construe that it somehow is must be a result of a lack of understanding of the rather important differences. That or an unwillingness, of course.
It's a first step towards Pay2Win, while this system itself is already borderline Pay2Win it really is a Pandora's box: once you've opened it you've sold your soul as it will pave the way for more/actual Pay2Win. First of all because the mechanics are now in place you might as well use it for other new and related things resulting in more Pay2Win down the line. More importantly: it's a lure, people get used to the idea and thus will be more susceptible to stronger forms of Pay2Win once they're used to this, it'll also bring in more/new players who agree to the whole Pay2Win concept which will in time create a bigger demand as well.
It will not help new players because the conversation cost is rather fierce nor will it help normal players for that same reason. It'll only help wealthy individuals and entities who have the (in game) buying power to help and bolster their ranks and alts.This is not in the interest of the game, at all.
Excellence is the gradual result of always striving to do better.
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Suede
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2015.11.03 11:53:46 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:ISD Decoy wrote:I have removed some troll replies and those quoting them. Quote:5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. I hate to say it, but the biggest troll in this thread is by far CCP that posts a dev-blog like this, then doesnt reply to a single one of the concerned replys in here. (starting to think you might have given them a forumban due to making your workload 10x worse )
ArmyOfMe if you read this
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/05/world-of-darkness-the-inside-story-mmo-ccp-white-wolf
sometimes it make you wonder.
Without the time or resources to properly do so, many things were left half-delivered, to be iterated upon later GÇô which never happened. CCP has an extensive track record of promising to return to features and never doing so
this could be other hate to say Monoclegate cashshop with buying SP
you think from last time they would at least not gone down the same road as the damage was done from the Microtransactions and 'monocle-gate' last time |
Stalking Mantis
No.Mercy Triumvirate.
887
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Posted - 2015.11.03 12:21:48 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:ISD Decoy wrote:I have removed some troll replies and those quoting them. Quote:5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. I hate to say it, but the biggest troll in this thread is by far CCP that posts a dev-blog like this,
coming out with a concept that is against everything at the core of EVE concepts because they are strapped for cash.
CCP embracing all these writers and historians that glorify what EVE was and should be but at the same time making fozzie sov basically killing it.
I really think CCP is confused as hell as t what they want to do, they already watched their player base drop from 70K-90K average on the servers two years ago to 15k-20k average on the servers now.
Here is a hint.
STOP alienating your customer base then waking up in an empty bed and scrambling to reach out to newer players that neither have the time nor love invested into the game as the older players do.
The only way, someone will be loyal to this game, is if they are emotionally attached to their characters, and the stories they are living with them. That is not something you can just inject to the new player base. And no amount of tutorials or opportunity maps will give this to the new players.
The buy SP is so short sighted imo that as soon as a new player realizes that more SP=/=a sure win in pvp him and his monthly subscription will evaporate faster than your one month old player losing officer fit caldari navy ravens off the jita undock. And I am sure CCP knows how long those visa warriors stick around and play eve.
P.S.
All the people that say this is a great concept..... /me whispers......they haven't paid a dime to CCP in years. And fully embrace a new way for them not to.
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Stalking Mantis
No.Mercy Triumvirate.
888
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Posted - 2015.11.03 12:29:46 -
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"The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time. "
CCP Hellmar 2011-10-05 Source
Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare
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Suede
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2015.11.03 12:52:21 -
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Stalking Mantis wrote:"The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time. "CCP Hellmar 2011-10-05 Source
Microtransactions and 'monocle-gate'
The development difficulties were only part of the Incarna problem. According to sources, CCP management had decided to introduce microtransactions, unbeknownst to most of the rank and file, charging real money for cosmetic items with which to customise character avatars. This is a familiar feature in online games, but usually a new outfit for a player character will cost $15-20. CCP decided to charge much more. The most notorious example was a monocle costing $70. The price tag infuriated fans kick-starting a major pricing controversy that would go on to become known as Monocle-gate.
The CEO had members of the fiction writing team put the apology together - he was either so out of touch, so arrogant, that he couldnGÇÖt find the words himself
Eventually CEO Hilmar Veigar P+¬tursson issued an apology to the players. But even this short appeasement wasnGÇÖt what it seemed; according to Blood, Petursson didnGÇÖt actually write it.
GÇ£He had members of our storyline team GÇô a group responsible for writing in-game content and fiction GÇô put it together,GÇ¥ he says. GÇ£He was either so out of touch, so arrogant, or perhaps both, that he couldnGÇÖt find the words to say himself. They bailed him out big time.GÇ¥
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Levi Belvar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
186
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Posted - 2015.11.03 13:45:10 -
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As far as i'm concerned over all this now, where is anything prestigious when the entire game is to be monetized. I have noticed that they have removed the 5 to 15 mill skill point bracket which offered 450k return, which gives the now 5 to 50 million skill point bracket for a minimal loss the chance to reskill to what ever they want as long as they're willing to pay. So where does the "We want to make sure training decisions are still very important and that rapid respeccing of skills is not an efficient choice at any point" come into play apart from if you are one of the unlucky ones who have been loyal to the game, Your reward is to get 50k .... Thats more like a 2 fingered salute than anything to do with prestige.
Helmar's let his pet Seagull fly high, Rise into the clouds and take one giant turd on anyone that's been in this game longer than a few years !!!!
Good luck in your future freemium plus endeavours.
GÇ£Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.GÇ¥
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Venus Aka
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
0
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Posted - 2015.11.03 14:29:01 -
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I like the idea and hope this gets into the game soon. and the new characters whom I've met ingame and invited to Eve online also hope that it gets implemented
Good job CCP.
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Jared Khanar
71
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Posted - 2015.11.03 14:32:50 -
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Levi Belvar wrote:As far as i'm concerned over all this now, where is anything prestigious when the entire game is to be monetized. I have noticed that they have removed the 5 to 15 mill skill point bracket which offered 450k return, which gives the now 5 to 50 million skill point bracket for a minimal loss the chance to reskill to what ever they want as long as they're willing to pay. So where does the "We want to make sure training decisions are still very important and that rapid respeccing of skills is not an efficient choice at any point" come into play apart from if you are one of the unlucky ones who have been loyal to the game, Your reward is to get 50k .... Thats more like a 2 fingered salute than anything to do with prestige.
Helmar's let his pet Seagull fly high, Rise into the clouds and take one giant turd on anyone that's been in this game longer than a few years !!!!
Good luck in your future premium / freemium plus endeavours.
CCP Fozzie, Seagull, whoever...
Even if it-¦s easy to blame one person for everything (I do so myself too often)... don-¦t. If someone works for a company he / she "sits between the chairs" in some way. There-¦s always someone above you, giving orders.
It's odd, but it seems a lot of online gaming companies have goals for their "live" as a legal entity, that are conflicting with the expectations of the consumers of their products. Or at least the way they are trying to reach these goals offer a great potential for trouble.
Whether they realize at some point that this can be handled differently?
Anyway... for the employee: someone has to pay your bills.
Doubt this is the creative work and decision from a single, isolated person. Certainly this is ccp ceo + management approved and instructed.
Economic Services
trading spacepixels
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Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2015.11.03 16:57:43 -
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Stalking Mantis wrote:"The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time. "CCP Hellmar 2011-10-05 Source
Quoting a four year old post in an attempt to say CCP is going back on their word. They're not. MMO''s are not games that are designed to be a fixed state but rather a a malleable one. They're designed to grow, expand, and change. If you have over 80mil skill points which takes significant time then it's not worthwhile to use this option. You'd be better off headed to the bazaar to find a character that meets your skill point requirements. If you have less then 5mil you get the lost benefit. They're not screwing over vets. If they were trying to do that they'd make it a flat everyone gets 500k skill points regardless of the amount of skill points you currently have. The diminishing returns keeps things balanced and numbers can always he adjusted to keep things in line. |
Amanda Orion
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
51
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Posted - 2015.11.03 17:20:15 -
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Leonardo Adami wrote: Quoting a four year old post in an attempt to say CCP is going back on their word. They're not. MMO''s are not games that are designed to be a fixed state but rather a a malleable one. They're designed to grow, expand, and change. If you have over 80mil skill points which takes significant time then it's not worthwhile to use this option. You'd be better off headed to the bazaar to find a character that meets your skill point requirements. If you have less then 5mil you get the lost benefit. They're not screwing over vets. If they were trying to do that they'd make it a flat everyone gets 500k skill points regardless of the amount of skill points you currently have. The diminishing returns keeps things balanced and numbers can always he adjusted to keep things in line.
They are. The diminishing returns just mean it costs more - but you can invest money to bypass time. Some people are willing to spend SERIOUS RL cash to get what they want in EVE.
Relying on diminishing returns for balance is naive at best...
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Levi Belvar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
187
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Posted - 2015.11.03 17:41:13 -
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Leonardo Adami wrote:Stalking Mantis wrote:"The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time. "CCP Hellmar 2011-10-05 Source Quoting a four year old post in an attempt to say CCP is going back on their word. They're not. MMO''s are not games that are designed to be a fixed state but rather a a malleable one. They're designed to grow, expand, and change. If you have over 80mil skill points which takes significant time then it's not worthwhile to use this option. You'd be better off headed to the bazaar to find a character that meets your skill point requirements. If you have less then 5mil you get the lost benefit. They're not screwing over vets. If they were trying to do that they'd make it a flat everyone gets 500k skill points regardless of the amount of skill points you currently have. The diminishing returns keeps things balanced and numbers can always he adjusted to keep things in line. The environment and content may change but not the principles the game was built on, and you keep mentioning vets, a 4 year old character can have more than 80 mill skill points That is not a vet at all. So yes its nothing todo with prestige what so ever its just anyone who's invested any sort of time into this game is going to get screwed over.
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Posted - 2015.11.03 18:19:31 -
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Leonardo Adami wrote:Stalking Mantis wrote:"The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time. "CCP Hellmar 2011-10-05 Source statement
Doing so would be going against a core mechanic of EVE online just to get extra cash so yah.
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Posted - 2015.11.03 18:25:24 -
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Leonardo Adami wrote:Stalking Mantis wrote:"The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time. "CCP Hellmar 2011-10-05 Source Quoting a four year old post in an attempt to say CCP is going back on their word. They're not. MMO''s are not games that are designed to be a fixed state but rather a a malleable one. They're designed to grow, expand, and change. If you have over 80mil skill points which takes significant time then it's not worthwhile to use this option. You'd be better off headed to the bazaar to find a character that meets your skill point requirements. If you have less then 5mil you get the lost benefit. They're not screwing over vets. If they were trying to do that they'd make it a flat everyone gets 500k skill points regardless of the amount of skill points you currently have. The diminishing returns keeps things balanced and numbers can always he adjusted to keep things in line. They are. We are speaking about fundamentals here, not some minor changes who are liked or not liked by someone. Changing fundamentals can easily lead your customers to ask themselves if it is worth to invest time and money in something which might be something else in a year or five. How will that affect current player base we will see, but judging from responses here and ingame there will be a lot of unhappy customers...
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