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Nidal Fervor
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:29:28 -
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If I want to use the Hecate, I am forced to use MWD or else I won't be taking advantage of the propulsion mode? MWD speed and cap usage only effects MWD's, not afterburners.
But you at least get 66% inertia boost from propulsion mode still, you might say? If you look at the inertia of the Hecate you will see that it is twice as high as Svipul and more than twice as high as Confessor; this makes the bonus worthless in comparison.
I realise that the purely MWD bonus is probably there to stop people using 10mn afterburner set ups but what about those of us who want to use 1mn afterburners or gisti 1mn afterburners? There's no simply no option for it, because propulsion mode is next to worthless to use with afterburners in a Hecate; you're better to forgo gallente and use a better designed tactical destroyer which doesn't reward only MWD usage.
For that reason if I want to play with 1mn afterburners I am forced to use an entirely different ship that can take advantage of the bonus, the svipul for instance. Which means I don't get to play my favorite race's tactical destroyer, all because of badly designed bonuses, which are only designed that way to prevent oversized afterburner play, while also ruining normal sized 1mn afterburner play at the same time.
I realise it's probably too late to change this now, but couldn't you have found a better way to do propulsion mode for the Hecate so at least 1mn afterburners are viable and not just MWD's for the sake of penalising the oversized afterburner style. |
Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
692
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:33:35 -
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Yeah they should have made it so specifically you are happy. **** the rest! **** balance! **** caring about anything but my own wants!
It's really like doing community work and when you don't see me post I had a day off. We have thirty five degree here! Asphalt's melting everywhere, sticking on MY SHOES! Can't even smoke, the cig dries out after a minute. What clothes do I wear? :)
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Nidal Fervor
State War Academy Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:36:04 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Yeah they should have made it so specifically you are happy. **** the rest! **** balance! **** caring about anything but my own wants!
That's the point, there isn't balance. Hecate is only given the option of MWD, or a gimped afterburner. The bonus should also apply to 1mn afterburners. |
Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
692
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:37:19 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Yeah they should have made it so specifically you are happy. **** the rest! **** balance! **** caring about anything but my own wants! That's the point, there isn't balance. Hecate is only given the option of MWD, or a gimped afterburner. The bonus should also apply to 1mn afterburners. Why?
Sorry, I know you gave reasons but they all were just you yelling I WANT IT TO FIT MY WANTS!
So... why?
It's really like doing community work and when you don't see me post I had a day off. We have thirty five degree here! Asphalt's melting everywhere, sticking on MY SHOES! Can't even smoke, the cig dries out after a minute. What clothes do I wear? :)
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Ivant Sumboodi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:39:11 -
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He doesn't want the bloom I'm guessing. |
Jack Hayson
Atztech Inc. Ixtab.
203
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:39:36 -
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Even worse... you are forced to use hybrids on it or you won't be taking advantage of the damage bonus! So if you want to use e.g. lasers you need to use a totally different ship. That's totally unfair and badly designed because I want to use lasers!!11 |
Hengle Teron
Explosions Delivered with Love
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:41:03 -
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How about, even after the fact hybrid weapons pack a stronger punch than projectiles, Hecate is still given the dps of 10 turrets, while Svipul gets only a dps of 9. |
Nidal Fervor
State War Academy Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:43:20 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Yeah they should have made it so specifically you are happy. **** the rest! **** balance! **** caring about anything but my own wants! That's the point, there isn't balance. Hecate is only given the option of MWD, or a gimped afterburner. The bonus should also apply to 1mn afterburners. Why?
Because it's stupid to force people to use MWD or not get any bonus.
The svipul, jackdaw and confessor all get bonuses that allow them to make full use or almost full use out of the bonus for MWD or afterburner with their propulsion modes. How is it balanced that with one of them you don't get to choose which propulsion module to use? It's a blind oversight and I don't understand how it made it through. |
Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
755
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:44:57 -
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You can turn this around and ask yourself why not every "Minmatar" pilot or one of the other factions isnt here complaining about "their" tactical destroyer not having a MWD bonus.
Although I see your point (but don't agree with it because AB's are a very different animal in my book), I'd rather see alot more difference between between all the factions. Its all starting to feel a bit bland. Why train Gallente if Caldari has the same options in ships and you already have those skills trained?
But thats a slightly different discussion... |
Nidal Fervor
State War Academy Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:45:13 -
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Jack Hayson wrote:Even worse... you are forced to use hybrids on it or you won't be taking advantage of the damage bonus! So if you want to use e.g. lasers you need to use a totally different ship. That's totally unfair and badly designed because I want to use lasers!!11
Awesome joke, really smart; you're clearly well educated.
Sarcasm aside, that's how it is with all tactical destroyers, there's no imbalance.
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Nidal Fervor
State War Academy Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:47:16 -
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Yarda Black wrote:You can turn this around and ask yourself why not every "Minmatar" pilot or one of the other factions isnt here complaining about "their" tactical destroyer not having a MWD bonus.
Although I see your point (but don't agree with it because AB's are a very different animal in my book), I'd rather see alot more difference between between all the factions. Its all starting to feel a bit bland. Why train Gallente if Caldari has the same options in ships and you already have those skills trained?
But thats a slightly different discussion...
Firstly, the minmatar vessel does have a MWD bonus, to its defense mode. Secondly, it effectively also has an MWD bonus to its propulsion mode because it gets a 66% velocity and 33% inertia bonus; the velocity bonus is applicable if you fit MWD or afterburner. If you still don't understand, the other vessels don't need a MWD bonus because they get a direct speed bonus, which is the same, only it works with any propulsion module. This is what the hecate should have had, or a direct 1mn afterburner/1mn mwd bonus, if they really want to stop oversized afterburners on it. |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1456
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:47:20 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Yeah they should have made it so specifically you are happy. **** the rest! **** balance! **** caring about anything but my own wants! That's the point, there isn't balance. Hecate is only given the option of MWD, or a gimped afterburner. The bonus should also apply to 1mn afterburners. Why? Because it's stupid to force people to use MWD or not get any bonus. The Svipul, Jackdaw and Confessor all get bonuses that allow them to make full use or close to full use out of the bonus for MWD or afterburner with their propulsion modes. How is it balanced that with one of them you don't get to choose which propulsion module to use? It's a blind oversight and I don't understand how it made it through.
"Hecate should also be given bonuses to projectiles and missiles, the other have it so why not the Gallente one, this is just stupid".
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
693
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:48:51 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Yeah they should have made it so specifically you are happy. **** the rest! **** balance! **** caring about anything but my own wants! That's the point, there isn't balance. Hecate is only given the option of MWD, or a gimped afterburner. The bonus should also apply to 1mn afterburners. Why? Because it's stupid to force people to use MWD or not get any bonus. The Svipul, Jackdaw and Confessor all get bonuses that allow them to make full use or close to full use out of the bonus for MWD or afterburner with their propulsion modes. How is it balanced that with one of them you don't get to choose which propulsion module to use? It's a blind oversight and I don't understand how it made it through. i hate my phone...
The reasons why you don't like this change are, like you already told, are: You don't like it how it is, because you can't do what you want.
It's really like doing community work and when you don't see me post I had a day off. We have thirty five degree here! Asphalt's melting everywhere, sticking on MY SHOES! Can't even smoke, the cig dries out after a minute. What clothes do I wear? :)
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Arla Sarain
537
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:50:55 -
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All the AFs are forced into MWDs as well?
And the Claw? I mean AB fits for all of these do exist and are very potent. Hecate is capable of dual prop, no?
Gimped or not gimped, the option is there. Infact it's a far more practical option, than say the double damage bonus to rockets on a goddamn Buzzard, or an optimal bonus to projectiles on a Cheetah that has 15MW base PG.
I fly my Cheetahs with artillery. Cos. |
Hengle Teron
Explosions Delivered with Love
54674
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:51:14 -
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And how is it fair than Svipul doesn't get hull resist bonuses ? I want mine hull tanked, dammit. |
Nidal Fervor
State War Academy Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:52:36 -
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Hengle Teron wrote:And how is it fair than Svipul doesn't get hull resist bonuses ? I want mine hull tanked, dammit.
Svipul gets armor and shield resists instead, a balanced trade off. |
Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
755
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:56:21 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:Firstly, the minmatar vessel does have a MWD bonus, to its defense mode.
WTF. I'm supposed to know that.
So much for my reputation as an elitist [bad word] ....
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Hengle Teron
Explosions Delivered with Love
54676
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:56:28 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:Hengle Teron wrote:And how is it fair than Svipul doesn't get hull resist bonuses ? I want mine hull tanked, dammit. Svipul gets armor and shield resists instead, a balanced trade off. No, it's not balanced, I want my Sviplul hull tanked, and I can't, cause it gets no bonus! |
Nidal Fervor
State War Academy Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:57:11 -
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Hengle Teron wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:Hengle Teron wrote:And how is it fair than Svipul doesn't get hull resist bonuses ? I want mine hull tanked, dammit. Svipul gets armor and shield resists instead, a balanced trade off. No, it's not balanced, I want my Sviplul hull tanked, and I can't, cause it gets no bonus!
Good for you little man. Now run along, I think your mother is calling you. |
Miomeifeng Alduin
Lithonauts Inc.
100
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:57:16 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:If I want to use the Hecate, I am forced to use MWD or else I won't be taking advantage of the propulsion mode? MWD speed and cap usage only effects MWD's, not afterburners.
But you at least get 66% inertia boost from propulsion mode still, you might say? If you look at the inertia of the Hecate you will see that it is twice as high as Svipul and more than twice as high as Confessor; this makes the bonus worthless in comparison.
I realise that the purely MWD bonus is probably there to stop people using 10mn afterburner set ups but what about those of us who want to use 1mn afterburners or gisti 1mn afterburners? There's no simply no option for it, because propulsion mode is next to worthless to use with afterburners in a Hecate; you're better to forgo gallente and use a better designed tactical destroyer which doesn't reward only MWD usage.
For that reason if I want to play with 1mn afterburners I am forced to use an entirely different ship that can take advantage of the bonus, the svipul for instance. Which means I don't get to play my favorite race's tactical destroyer, all because of badly designed bonuses, which are only designed that way to prevent oversized afterburner play, while also ruining normal sized 1mn afterburner play at the same time.
I realise it's probably too late to change this now, but couldn't you have found a better way to do propulsion mode for the Hecate so at least 1mn afterburners are viable and not just MWD's for the sake of penalising the oversized afterburner style.
So, if i want to use a Loki, i have to use projectile weapons? the bonusses should also be for hybrids and lazors!!! it's not fun that i have to use projectiles but can't choose lasers!
Different ships, different bonusses. Use them as intended or dont whine about them ;) |
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Hengle Teron
Explosions Delivered with Love
54676
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Posted - 2015.07.07 15:00:50 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:Hengle Teron wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:Hengle Teron wrote:And how is it fair than Svipul doesn't get hull resist bonuses ? I want mine hull tanked, dammit. Svipul gets armor and shield resists instead, a balanced trade off. No, it's not balanced, I want my Sviplul hull tanked, and I can't, cause it gets no bonus! Good for you little man. Now run along, I think your mother is calling you. Haha.
So, that's what you think about people with your attitude. |
Nidal Fervor
State War Academy Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2015.07.07 15:01:23 -
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Miomeifeng Alduin wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:If I want to use the Hecate, I am forced to use MWD or else I won't be taking advantage of the propulsion mode? MWD speed and cap usage only effects MWD's, not afterburners.
But you at least get 66% inertia boost from propulsion mode still, you might say? If you look at the inertia of the Hecate you will see that it is twice as high as Svipul and more than twice as high as Confessor; this makes the bonus worthless in comparison.
I realise that the purely MWD bonus is probably there to stop people using 10mn afterburner set ups but what about those of us who want to use 1mn afterburners or gisti 1mn afterburners? There's no simply no option for it, because propulsion mode is next to worthless to use with afterburners in a Hecate; you're better to forgo gallente and use a better designed tactical destroyer which doesn't reward only MWD usage.
For that reason if I want to play with 1mn afterburners I am forced to use an entirely different ship that can take advantage of the bonus, the svipul for instance. Which means I don't get to play my favorite race's tactical destroyer, all because of badly designed bonuses, which are only designed that way to prevent oversized afterburner play, while also ruining normal sized 1mn afterburner play at the same time.
I realise it's probably too late to change this now, but couldn't you have found a better way to do propulsion mode for the Hecate so at least 1mn afterburners are viable and not just MWD's for the sake of penalising the oversized afterburner style. So, if i want to use a Loki, i have to use projectile weapons? the bonusses should also be for hybrids and lazors!!! it's not fun that i have to use projectiles but can't choose lasers! Different ships, different bonusses. Use them as intended or dont whine about them ;)
I keep hearing this irrational argument.
All tactical destroyers except for the gallente version get the option of using afterburner or MWD, because there propulsion mode bonuses are flexible. The gallente version has a very inflexible bonus, allowing benefit only to MWD's and making use of afterburners pointless. That is not balanced.
That's the final time I respond to this stupidity with a logical argument. Good day.
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
696
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Posted - 2015.07.07 15:09:20 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:Hengle Teron wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:Hengle Teron wrote:And how is it fair than Svipul doesn't get hull resist bonuses ? I want mine hull tanked, dammit. Svipul gets armor and shield resists instead, a balanced trade off. No, it's not balanced, I want my Sviplul hull tanked, and I can't, cause it gets no bonus! Good for you little man. Now run along, I think your mother is calling you. The irony!
It's really like doing community work and when you don't see me post I had a day off. We have thirty five degree here! Asphalt's melting everywhere, sticking on MY SHOES! Can't even smoke, the cig dries out after a minute. What clothes do I wear? :)
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Masaaq
PYRO MANIACS A Band Apart.
12
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Posted - 2015.07.07 15:14:08 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:Miomeifeng Alduin wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:If I want to use the Hecate, I am forced to use MWD or else I won't be taking advantage of the propulsion mode? MWD speed and cap usage only effects MWD's, not afterburners.
But you at least get 66% inertia boost from propulsion mode still, you might say? If you look at the inertia of the Hecate you will see that it is twice as high as Svipul and more than twice as high as Confessor; this makes the bonus worthless in comparison.
I realise that the purely MWD bonus is probably there to stop people using 10mn afterburner set ups but what about those of us who want to use 1mn afterburners or gisti 1mn afterburners? There's no simply no option for it, because propulsion mode is next to worthless to use with afterburners in a Hecate; you're better to forgo gallente and use a better designed tactical destroyer which doesn't reward only MWD usage.
For that reason if I want to play with 1mn afterburners I am forced to use an entirely different ship that can take advantage of the bonus, the svipul for instance. Which means I don't get to play my favorite race's tactical destroyer, all because of badly designed bonuses, which are only designed that way to prevent oversized afterburner play, while also ruining normal sized 1mn afterburner play at the same time.
I realise it's probably too late to change this now, but couldn't you have found a better way to do propulsion mode for the Hecate so at least 1mn afterburners are viable and not just MWD's for the sake of penalising the oversized afterburner style. So, if i want to use a Loki, i have to use projectile weapons? the bonusses should also be for hybrids and lazors!!! it's not fun that i have to use projectiles but can't choose lasers! Different ships, different bonusses. Use them as intended or dont whine about them ;) I keep hearing this irrational argument. All tactical destroyers except for the gallente version get the option of using afterburner or MWD, because their propulsion mode bonuses are flexible. The gallente version has a very inflexible bonus, allowing benefit only to MWD's and making use of afterburners pointless. That is not balanced. That's the final time I respond to this stupidity with a logical argument. Good day.
Why did you even bother to start this thread?
The Hecate is the only tactical destroyer to receive three bonuses while in propulsion mode. It also has a bonus to armour resists, hull resists and a reduction to armour rep duration, meaning that you can run a tier two rep like an ancillary rep (in terms of rep per sec). These are huge advantages over the others, and far better than the Svipul's shield and armour bonuses.
It is good that you have decided to stop responding logically though, as that clearly was not working for you.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
24131
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Posted - 2015.07.07 15:15:44 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:That's the final time I respond to this stupidity with a logical argument. Good day. For it to be the last time, there has to have been previous instances of it
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Masaaq
PYRO MANIACS A Band Apart.
12
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Posted - 2015.07.07 15:17:07 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:That's the final time I respond to this stupidity with a logical argument. Good day. For it to be the last time, there has to have been previous instances of it
Spot on, sir. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3808
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Posted - 2015.07.07 17:30:07 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:Because it's stupid to force people to use MWD or not get any bonus. They still get bonuses. Quite a lot of them.
Oh god.
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Mizhir
Matari Exodus The Camel Empire
74488
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Posted - 2015.07.07 19:27:08 -
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Jeez, When do people learn to provide feedback when they actually ask for feedback rather than on the god damn patch day?
One Man Crew - Collective Solo PVP - Video is out!
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13564
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Posted - 2015.07.07 19:50:41 -
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It's almost like different ships are different.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Vol Arm'OOO
Bagel and Lox
648
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Posted - 2015.07.07 19:58:53 -
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The bottom line is roles by definition are anti-sandbox. Roles imo should be removed from most ships in EVE (perhaps the bonuses can be placed in rigs) - after all why shouldn't I be able to slap hard points onto an orca or turn a tempest into a giant mining barge? The limitation for ship customization should be hull and mod size. What about the all holy ship balance? Well its a sand box - or at least it is supposed to be a sand box -- in a real sand box balance is dictated by the players, not the devs. Right now CCP is trying to nerf drone boats and buff missiles - which is just an example of the endless neff/buff cycle that ccp engages in. CCP never achieves balance and only creates new flavors of the month. It would be better for ccp to break the cycle and let the players create the balance.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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