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Nidal Fervor
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.09 09:16:53 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:Gimme Sake wrote:Just don't understand what this thread is all about. Why would you want AB on a blaster fit? You do realise this is a small ship right? 1500ms should be possible with max implanted claymore links and deadspace afterburner but it's not even close because there's no bonus to basic velocity or afterburner bonus (like all other t3 destroyers get from propulsion mode). You want an iwin button. The mwd is bad enough, because it allows you to get into range... no you want also an easy method to oill anything bigger than your ship. How often do I have to call you child, until you stop behaving like one?
MWD is bad enough because it allows you to get into range? If you couldn't get into range, this ship would be useless with blasters. Obviously that's how you'd prefer it. You've given yourself away, you just don't want this ship to be decent. |
Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
764
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Posted - 2015.07.09 09:18:11 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:First her toy wasn't what she wished for. Then she turned her back on it and declared the others as better. And now she defends her new toy, by talking bad about the old one.
A child. Not even funny anymore... Really, got a quote? Exactly. Sadly, the other T3 dessies are better at this, therefore, i'll stick with the other better designed ones. The other T3 destroyers, despite having slightly less DPS, are far more versatile and have much greater survivability. Even if the Hecate was given an afterburner bonus this would still be the case, just the hecate would be more viable.I'm only stating facts and figures; sorry to spoil your parade. You prove me right and are too immature to realize it.
Finally! Temperature dropped considerably and it's raining! I run outside cheering life itself, only wearing a tanktop and panties... and as the falling rain caresses my skin, I hear thunder announce the coming storm. Romantic times ahead...
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
764
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Posted - 2015.07.09 09:22:46 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:Gimme Sake wrote:Just don't understand what this thread is all about. Why would you want AB on a blaster fit? You do realise this is a small ship right? 1500ms should be possible with max implanted claymore links and deadspace afterburner but it's not even close because there's no bonus to basic velocity or afterburner bonus (like all other t3 destroyers get from propulsion mode). You want an iwin button. The mwd is bad enough, because it allows you to get into range... no you want also an easy method to oill anything bigger than your ship. How often do I have to call you child, until you stop behaving like one? MWD is bad enough because it allows you to get into range? If you couldn't get into range, this ship would be useless with blasters. Obviously that's how you'd prefer it. You've given yourself away, you just don't want this ship to be decent. LOL YES OF COURSE
How old are you, child?
Finally! Temperature dropped considerably and it's raining! I run outside cheering life itself, only wearing a tanktop and panties... and as the falling rain caresses my skin, I hear thunder announce the coming storm. Romantic times ahead...
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Lan Wang
V I R I I
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Posted - 2015.07.09 09:33:09 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Yeah they should have made it so specifically you are happy. **** the rest! **** balance! **** caring about anything but my own wants!
you're one of my favourites
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Nidal Fervor
State War Academy Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2015.07.09 09:39:46 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:Gimme Sake wrote:Just don't understand what this thread is all about. Why would you want AB on a blaster fit? You do realise this is a small ship right? 1500ms should be possible with max implanted claymore links and deadspace afterburner but it's not even close because there's no bonus to basic velocity or afterburner bonus (like all other t3 destroyers get from propulsion mode). You want an iwin button. The mwd is bad enough, because it allows you to get into range... no you want also an easy method to oill anything bigger than your ship. How often do I have to call you child, until you stop behaving like one? MWD is bad enough because it allows you to get into range? If you couldn't get into range, this ship would be useless with blasters. Obviously that's how you'd prefer it. You've given yourself away, you just don't want this ship to be decent. LOL YES OF COURSE How old are you, child?
Dude makes the same insult over and over; thinks he is funny.
Sad man. |
Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
766
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Posted - 2015.07.09 09:56:06 -
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I am not joking at all, but I am making fun of your childishness. You are just too immature to realize the whole situation. I suggest you talk to an adult who will explain you that this whole thread sounds like you're below 25 and used to whining to get what you want!
That is no joke, sadly.
Finally! Temperature dropped considerably and it's raining! I run outside cheering life itself, only wearing a tanktop and panties... and as the falling rain caresses my skin, I hear thunder announce the coming storm. Romantic times ahead...
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
766
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Posted - 2015.07.09 09:57:01 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Yeah they should have made it so specifically you are happy. **** the rest! **** balance! **** caring about anything but my own wants! you're one of my favourites Me? Why thank you! Want to make out later tonight?
Finally! Temperature dropped considerably and it's raining! I run outside cheering life itself, only wearing a tanktop and panties... and as the falling rain caresses my skin, I hear thunder announce the coming storm. Romantic times ahead...
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Nidal Fervor
State War Academy Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2015.07.09 10:29:25 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:I am not joking at all, but I am making fun of your childishness. You are just too immature to realize the whole situation. I suggest you talk to an adult who will explain you that this whole thread sounds like you're below 25 and used to whining to get what you want!
That is no joke, sadly.
I'm not the one writing in caps lock using smiley faces everywhere, and asking people if they want to make out. Cya kiddo. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I
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Posted - 2015.07.09 10:31:35 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Yeah they should have made it so specifically you are happy. **** the rest! **** balance! **** caring about anything but my own wants! you're one of my favourites Me? Why thank you! Want to make out later tonight?
i thought you'd never ask
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Lan Wang
V I R I I
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Posted - 2015.07.09 10:32:42 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:I am not joking at all, but I am making fun of your childishness. You are just too immature to realize the whole situation. I suggest you talk to an adult who will explain you that this whole thread sounds like you're below 25 and used to whining to get what you want!
That is no joke, sadly. I'm not the one writing in caps lock using smiley faces everywhere, and asking people if they want to make out. Cya kiddo.
aww thats sweet, someone's jealous me thinks
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Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
193
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Posted - 2015.07.09 10:44:02 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:Gimme Sake wrote:Just don't understand what this thread is all about. Why would you want AB on a blaster fit? You do realise this is supposed to be a fast small ship right? 1500ms should be possible with max implanted claymore links and deadspace afterburner but it's not even close because there's no bonus to basic velocity or afterburner bonus (like all other t3 destroyers get from propulsion mode). It's the only T3 destroyer that forces you to use a MWD or be gimped, which in the case of the hecate, means really gimped.
It is a brawling boat designed with blaster+mwd+scram combo in mind not a long point kite ship like the other t3ds. If you want one of those, nothing stops you from jumping inside a svipul or confessor.
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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Nidal Fervor
State War Academy Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2015.07.09 11:13:48 -
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Gimme Sake wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:Gimme Sake wrote:Just don't understand what this thread is all about. Why would you want AB on a blaster fit? You do realise this is supposed to be a fast small ship right? 1500ms should be possible with max implanted claymore links and deadspace afterburner but it's not even close because there's no bonus to basic velocity or afterburner bonus (like all other t3 destroyers get from propulsion mode). It's the only T3 destroyer that forces you to use a MWD or be gimped, which in the case of the hecate, means really gimped. It is a brawling boat designed with blaster+mwd+scram combo in mind not a long point kite ship like the other t3ds. If you want one of those, nothing stops you from jumping inside a svipul or confessor.
One step ahead of you
I don't want a long point kite ship btw. I just want to be able to use afterburners on a hecate without being gimped by my choice. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1188
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Posted - 2015.07.09 11:29:30 -
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Hecate is gallente and doesn't have a drone bay even... Even the Algos has 35mbit and is T1, so the hecate should have 50mbit atleast :3 |
Lan Wang
V I R I I
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Posted - 2015.07.09 11:36:45 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Hecate is gallente and doesn't have a drone bay even... Even the Algos has 35mbit and is T1, so the hecate should have 50mbit atleast :3
having drones flying around aimlessly is not tactical
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1189
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Posted - 2015.07.09 11:41:32 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:Hecate is gallente and doesn't have a drone bay even... Even the Algos has 35mbit and is T1, so the hecate should have 50mbit atleast :3 having drones flying around aimlessly is not tactical
Hecate only got some 845dps tops in a budget fit, it NEEDS the drones to get to 1k without resorting to polarized guns, even though it's gallente. Maybe Hecate with polarized guns should not lose resists to make it more balanced. |
Nidal Fervor
State War Academy Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2015.07.09 11:51:10 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:Hecate is gallente and doesn't have a drone bay even... Even the Algos has 35mbit and is T1, so the hecate should have 50mbit atleast :3 having drones flying around aimlessly is not tactical Hecate only got some 845dps tops in a budget fit, it NEEDS the drones to get to 1k without resorting to polarized guns, even though it's gallente. Maybe Hecate with polarized guns should not lose resists to make it more balanced.
Go away troll. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
6617
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Posted - 2015.07.09 13:12:50 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:...I am forced...
Let me stop you right there.
No one is forcing you to do anything.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
6617
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Posted - 2015.07.09 13:17:07 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:Gimme Sake wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:Gimme Sake wrote:Just don't understand what this thread is all about. Why would you want AB on a blaster fit? You do realise this is supposed to be a fast small ship right? 1500ms should be possible with max implanted claymore links and deadspace afterburner but it's not even close because there's no bonus to basic velocity or afterburner bonus (like all other t3 destroyers get from propulsion mode). It's the only T3 destroyer that forces you to use a MWD or be gimped, which in the case of the hecate, means really gimped. It is a brawling boat designed with blaster+mwd+scram combo in mind not a long point kite ship like the other t3ds. If you want one of those, nothing stops you from jumping inside a svipul or confessor. One step ahead of you I don't want a long point kite ship btw. I just wanted to be able to use afterburners on a hecate without being gimped because I didn't take MWD. Even if an afterburner bonus was given, the hecate would still be the worst performing T3 destroyer, as it currently is; check kb stats, worst by far.
Sorry, but that doesn't mean anything. The Hecate's been around for about three minutes. People are still figuring out what it's capable of, theorycrafting and the like, trying things that no one is thinking of. Meanwhile, a lot of people already have a feel for the other three. Give it time. KB stats say nothing. For one thing, you have no real idea what the people using it, killing or dying with it one way or the other, are actually capable of. Maybe they're just all terrible with destroyers. Killboards say nothing about what the ship is capable of, and very little about what a player is capable of. Killboards are little more than a pissing contest, and putting any stock in them is going to gimp your own capabilities. Be creative, be your own player, do something the others haven't considered yet.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
6617
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Posted - 2015.07.09 13:22:03 -
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Having just gone over the Hecate bonuses in-game, I can say this much conclusively:
Anyone that knows what they're doing in an Enyo is going to have a splendid time with this ship. Anyone that doesn't have the stomach for brawling need not apply.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Specia1 K
State War Academy Caldari State
91
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Posted - 2015.07.09 13:29:48 -
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OP is noodles. |
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1191
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Posted - 2015.07.09 13:51:41 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:Go away troll.
Implying the OP was not... |
Nidal Fervor
State War Academy Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2015.07.09 14:12:05 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:...I am forced... Let me stop you right there. No one is forcing you to do anything.
Anyone can take a sentence out of context by quoting only a small part of it. Well done you, you're a big boy now. |
Syrilian
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
115
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Posted - 2015.07.09 14:15:03 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:...I am forced... Let me stop you right there. No one is forcing you to do anything. Anyone can take a sentence out of context by quoting only a small part of it. Well done you, you're a big boy now. Let's put it back into context: I am forced to use MWD or else I won't be taking advantage of the propulsion mode
Nope, still makes sense. No one is forcing you to use an MWD. You aren't force to take advantage of anything. You can either use it or not.
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
777
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Posted - 2015.07.09 14:20:47 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:...I am forced... Let me stop you right there. No one is forcing you to do anything. Anyone can take a sentence out of context by quoting only a small part of it. Well done you, you're a big boy now. Let's put it back into context: I am forced to use MWD or else I won't be taking advantage of the propulsion mode Context is irrelevant for this snippet, because it stands on it's own quite fine. You used "being forced" wrongly and I guess you never REALLY have been forced to do anything considering your childish, immature, self entitled behaviour.
Finally! Temperature dropped considerably and it's raining! I run outside cheering life itself, only wearing a tanktop and panties... and as the falling rain caresses my skin, I hear thunder announce the coming storm. Romantic times ahead...
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Portmanteau
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2015.07.09 14:31:55 -
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Gimme Sake wrote:Just don't understand what this thread is all about. Why would you want AB on a blaster fit?
*notsureifserious*
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
24184
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Posted - 2015.07.09 15:10:17 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote:...I am forced... Let me stop you right there. No one is forcing you to do anything. Anyone can take a sentence out of context by quoting only a small part of it. Well done you, you're a big boy now. Let's put it back into context: I am forced to use MWD or else I won't be taking advantage of the propulsion mode By that measure I'm forced to use an active armour tank on my Myrmidon or else I'm not taking advantage of the armour repair bonus... oh wait no I'm not; shield tanking a Myrm works quite nicely.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
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Nidal Fervor
State War Academy Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2015.07.09 15:27:48 -
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Sure sure. We'll see who is right in the end; you all go on trolling. Give it a few weeks and see how the hecate is doing then.
Killboard stats have hecate as the worst of the T3 destroyers by a mile. I knew it would be before it was even released; that ship has numerous issues that hold it back from being a great ship.
Until then, not using that ship is a great option; one I shall be using. |
Vol Arm'OOO
Bagel and Lox
658
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Posted - 2015.07.09 15:31:33 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Vol Arm'OOO wrote:The bottom line is roles by definition are anti-sandbox. ...really? Of anything else you might have said, you're going for this absurdity? Ship roles are this game's substitute for character classes, genius. They are a necessity to the sandbox, and are what primarily allows for diversity between ship types, as opposed to "Generic Minmatar Medium ship, Generic Amarr Medium ship", etc.
No they are not a necessity. They are a crutch for folk with no imagination. The question is - in a sandbox, who should decide what role a ship fills? The devs or the players? Do you really think in a sandbox where there were no roles that there would be uniformity? No, there would still be logi, dps, hauler, etc. . . It would just be up to the players to make the roles from generic hulls. of course the problem is that some folk just want content spoon fed to them.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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Vol Arm'OOO
Bagel and Lox
658
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Posted - 2015.07.09 15:36:42 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Vol Arm'OOO wrote:The bottom line is roles by definition are anti-sandbox. So shovels and pails should do the exact same thing?
With enough time and money I could definitely turn a shovel into a pail and back, just as if I had the time money and inclination I could turn an aircraft carrier into a cruise ship. Ofc there maybe inefficiencies but so what? An orca may not be the best battle ship platform because its big and slow due to its size, but because its so big, with enough isk you should certainly be able to send it into a dry dock to fit hard points to mount any number of guns or missile turrets.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I
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Posted - 2015.07.09 15:37:45 -
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Vol Arm'OOO wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Vol Arm'OOO wrote:The bottom line is roles by definition are anti-sandbox. ...really? Of anything else you might have said, you're going for this absurdity? Ship roles are this game's substitute for character classes, genius. They are a necessity to the sandbox, and are what primarily allows for diversity between ship types, as opposed to "Generic Minmatar Medium ship, Generic Amarr Medium ship", etc. No they are not a necessity. They are a crutch for folk with no imagination. The question is - in a sandbox, who should decide what role a ship fills? The devs or the players? Do you really think in a sandbox where there were no roles that there would be uniformity? No, there would still be logi, dps, hauler, etc. . . It would just be up to the players to make the roles from generic hulls. of course the problem is that some folk just want content spoon fed to them.
being supplied a ship that can do a specialist job is not being spoonfed
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