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Lifewire
Caldari TunDraGon
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Posted - 2006.09.12 12:44:00 -
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Zarquon released this satement about the end of Teddybear corperation. I never talked in public about the internal problems these days but now have to add my view of the incident.
Read Zarquons statement here:
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As the CEO of Teddybears was inactive for months often, i usually took total command in our piracy operations and leaded merged teams of TDG, Bonecollector and Teddybear pilots into very successfull pirate operations. But i more and more saw myself wasting hours and hours in organising hunts because members of Teddybears and TDG needed much too long to get their ships combat-ready or equipment moved. Especially on low sec. operations the movement of equipment was a mess. After a while i decided that i don¦t want this internal mess anymore and started to propose a full merge into one corp to simplify operations and movement of corp equipment. The Teddybears were very diffucult on this mather and with each more day of lousy organisation that passed i more and more came to the opinion that i am not willing to waste more time and that i will leave them behind.
Unfriendly guy i am, i told them that their corp organisation is bad and that i am not willing to work with them anymore under these circumstands. After long discusson we all together accepted a merge into Teddybears because the Teddybears did want to keep their corpname at all costs. To solve the problem and unite the team i even decided to give up the TDG label! This was my last try to get this team straight!
After succesfull merging into Teddybears, Zarquon B. came back from a long inactivity period. He didn¦t know anything about our internal troubles and came to read my unfriendly comments about the Teddybear status in our seperated forums. What he didnt know is that everything said there was also said on TS straight into the faces of Teddybear members and is said till today: Teddybears were a chaotic group! Good fighters each of them, but totally unable to organise a gang bigger than 3 ships! Individualists over and over! What he also did never see is that a corp without active CEO looses its organisation and this really happened to Teddybears! So his own inactivty caused a lot of mismanagement and as CEO of TDG i tryed to help the Teddybears organisaton that was in a bad shape.
To make it short: after Zarquon went mad about what he read on our forums (basically that Teddybears are bad at organising and have no good gang commander) he left ROAAR. I felt that it is now time to make true what i told the chaotic parts of our group before and took reliable members with me back into TDG were we still are and now and run logistics the way i wanted to run them.
For me it¦s a fact that Zarquon acted like his daredevil nature told him to do: not talk - act! But a good leader and strategist needs more than this and so an era of extremly succesfful piracy in Syndcate and empire ended because he was unable to talk and i was sick of organising a gang of chaotic people. I felt like 1000 tons falling from my shoulders when i finally decided to leave it all behind.
All in all the Teddybear and TDG pilots of these days were the best pilots avaibale in the galaxy. But in an era of growing blobs and hard days for pirates their lack of organisation skills were inaceptable for me. A small gang of individualists is probably the best combat unit avaiable but as soon a certain gangsize occours, this style looses efficency. Operations in empire get very easy using a corpfreither and i was not willing to move 3 corphangars and 20 individual hangars just because some of the people arent able to teamplay. It is vital to a pirate corp to be extemly efficient - and that¦s why TDG is still here and all other pirate corps, including the Teddybears, have vanished.
I feel no anger about what happened - everything is like it should be.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.12 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 12/09/2006 13:03:14
Nice write-up and respect to all you guys. However...
Originally by: Lifewire It is vital to a pirate corp to be extemly efficient - and that¦s why TDG is still here and all other pirate corps, including the Teddybears, have vanished.
Veto? Or are you just speaking of the 'old' pirate corps? -
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Wild Rho
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2006.09.12 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 12/09/2006 13:03:14
Nice write-up and respect to all you guys. However...
Originally by: Lifewire It is vital to a pirate corp to be extemly efficient - and that¦s why TDG is still here and all other pirate corps, including the Teddybears, have vanished.
Veto? Or are you just speaking of the 'old' pirate corps?
And snigg.
WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
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Lifewire
Caldari TunDraGon
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Posted - 2006.09.12 13:46:00 -
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Quote: Veto? Or are you just speaking of the 'old' pirate corps?
The old pirate corps like SI, m0o, Zombies, Jokers and so on. Those who started when EVE started or shortly after.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.09.12 13:55:00 -
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BE was started 7 months after launch and is still going strong.
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Lifewire
Caldari TunDraGon
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Posted - 2006.09.12 14:20:00 -
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Quote: BE was started 7 months after launch and is still going strong.
Good work...if you need a hug, np.
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Hudsonn
Minmatar FireTech Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.12 15:35:00 -
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I see Hunt gone up a few sec stats. Surly he'll get sacked?? ___________________________ -Hud-FireTech- |
darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.09.12 16:23:00 -
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shame to see u folks fighting.
d solo.
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Lifewire
Caldari TunDraGon
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Posted - 2006.09.12 16:53:00 -
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It¦s not a fight and i will not allow that it will get a mud battle. I never talked to Zarq after he lfet and that¦s why he does not know some facts. However - TNT was the best combat unit ever in EVE and even some internal problems will not change that this explosive mixture caused a good explosion!
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.09.12 17:27:00 -
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Quote: All in all the Teddybear and TDG pilots of these days were the best pilots avaibale in the galaxy. But in an era of growing blobs and hard days for pirates their lack of organisation skills were inaceptable for me. A small gang of individualists is probably the best combat unit avaiable but as soon a certain gangsize occours, this style looses efficency. Operations in empire get very easy using a corpfreither and i was not willing to move 3 corphangars and 20 individual hangars just because some of the people arent able to teamplay. It is vital to a pirate corp to be extemly efficient - and that¦s why TDG is still here and all other pirate corps, including the Teddybears, have vanished.
*coughs*
I didn't want to speak on this matter but I feel I must. To claim that no other still exist is pure ignorance. If you can't even reconize your enemies victories then how can you claim such a statement? It's one thing to know you're good and another to respect that your enemy is also on that level. As it has been said, BURN EDEN for example is far from over. When you can pull in the amount of loot and currency they pull in from there even more well organized gang and tactics then you might be able to splurt such lies from that amature mouth of yours.
Untill then, let it be known. Ignorance shows real leadership.
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.09.12 17:30:00 -
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Transmission intercepted and cleaned of the madmen interruptions. For questions, get in touch with our staff in Yulai or send us a transmission to [email protected]
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Nafri
Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.12 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Quote: All in all the Teddybear and TDG pilots of these days were the best pilots avaibale in the galaxy. But in an era of growing blobs and hard days for pirates their lack of organisation skills were inaceptable for me. A small gang of individualists is probably the best combat unit avaiable but as soon a certain gangsize occours, this style looses efficency. Operations in empire get very easy using a corpfreither and i was not willing to move 3 corphangars and 20 individual hangars just because some of the people arent able to teamplay. It is vital to a pirate corp to be extemly efficient - and that¦s why TDG is still here and all other pirate corps, including the Teddybears, have vanished.
*coughs*
I didn't want to speak on this matter but I feel I must. To claim that no other still exist is pure ignorance. If you can't even reconize your enemies victories then how can you claim such a statement? It's one thing to know you're good and another to respect that your enemy is also on that level. As it has been said, BURN EDEN for example is far from over. When you can pull in the amount of loot and currency they pull in from there even more well organized gang and tactics then you might be able to splurt such lies from that amature mouth of yours.
Untill then, let it be known. Ignorance shows real leadership.
Burn Eden? No match for old days of Tundragon, Bonecollectors and Teddybears. Their mouthes are bigger than their skills, which is never good.
From Dusk till Dawn
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Lifewire
Caldari TunDraGon
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Posted - 2006.09.12 18:33:00 -
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Quote: I didn't want to speak on this matter but I feel I must. To claim that no other still exist is pure ignorance. If you can't even reconize your enemies victories then how can you claim such a statement? It's one thing to know you're good and another to respect that your enemy is also on that level. As it has been said, BURN EDEN for example is far from over. When you can pull in the amount of loot and currency they pull in from there even more well organized gang and tactics then you might be able to splurt such lies from that amature mouth of yours.
Untill then, let it be known. Ignorance shows real leadership.
Ok, there still exists Burn Eden that started 7 months after game started and you guys are great. If i was ignorant i am sorry. I don¦t want a "who has loger epeen-topic" here, i just want to add my comments to Zarquons article wich is in my eyes done because he missed some stuff while he was inactive. Since we are both very stubborn people, we never talked about it yet.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.09.12 18:41:00 -
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I just wanted a hug, honest
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.12 18:41:00 -
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First off. Me and Lifewire have spoken in convo after this post was made. There are no hate between us, and noone of us want to get into a dirt throwing competition.
Im glad that Lifewire have posted this and expressed his views on things. That mean that he have understood what i wrote in the link he added where i state that this writing is from my perspective, my views and my reasond for reacting as i did. I also stated that if people would like to hear the other side of the storry they should talk to the involved parties. And in that way get the whole perspective of the matter.
Anyone who read both this post from Lifewire, wich is a response to the Teddybear storry iv wrote Linkage amd my storry should now have both our views and in that way are able to see the whole picture.
I also would like to add that i vrote the teddybear history over a long time. The first part long before TDG and Teddy merged, the middle part after the merge was an fact, and the last part a month or so after the split and Teddybear disbanded. If i had internet access at that time i would have been able to publishe it closer up to the split. But iv just got back the internet accesss and for that reason are publishing the story at this late point. Not to start an argument with Lifewire or TDG, but to be able to express why i did as i did, and reacted like i did.
Thank you and good speed.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.09.12 19:08:00 -
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*sighs*
Ignorance indeed, no need to make excuses on why it is you fail to consider such pilots when making this horrid statement on saying "We are the last". You're far from it, the galaxy is very vast and you have yet to discover a way to be everywhere at once.
*Offtopic* Don't post here in the RP-Corp/Alliance forums and not expect a response. Nothing to do with e-peen, everything to do with your statement/RP.
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karrak
Exotic Dancers Club
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Posted - 2006.09.12 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: karrak on 12/09/2006 19:24:26 Why dig this up now?? I really dont see the point.
I seriously dont agree with anny of you two, your both abit egosentrical imo, both of you have said things wich never should have been said. I still yarr both of you tough We had great times at our peak, lets just leave it at that without airing our dirty laundry inn public.
Cheers Nervar
o and Life get into the secret channel so we can have a chat sometime :)
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.09.12 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri *sighs*
Ignorance indeed, no need to make excuses on why it is you fail to consider such pilots when making this horrid statement on saying "We are the last". You're far from it, the galaxy is very vast and you have yet to discover a way to be everywhere at once.
*Offtopic* Don't post here in the RP-Corp/Alliance forums and not expect a response. Nothing to do with e-peen, everything to do with your statement/RP.
be gone! *throws holy water after Famine*
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Lifewire
Caldari TunDraGon
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Posted - 2006.09.12 19:43:00 -
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Quote: be gone! *throws holy water after Famine*
good 1
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.09.12 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lifewire
Quote: be gone! *throws holy water after Famine*
good 1
So true, being only one is truly evil.
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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.09.13 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Quote: All in all the Teddybear and TDG pilots of these days were the best pilots avaibale in the galaxy. But in an era of growing blobs and hard days for pirates their lack of organisation skills were inaceptable for me. A small gang of individualists is probably the best combat unit avaiable but as soon a certain gangsize occours, this style looses efficency. Operations in empire get very easy using a corpfreither and i was not willing to move 3 corphangars and 20 individual hangars just because some of the people arent able to teamplay. It is vital to a pirate corp to be extemly efficient - and that¦s why TDG is still here and all other pirate corps, including the Teddybears, have vanished.
*coughs*
I didn't want to speak on this matter but I feel I must. To claim that no other still exist is pure ignorance. If you can't even reconize your enemies victories then how can you claim such a statement? It's one thing to know you're good and another to respect that your enemy is also on that level. As it has been said, BURN EDEN for example is far from over. When you can pull in the amount of loot and currency they pull in from there even more well organized gang and tactics then you might be able to splurt such lies from that amature mouth of yours.
Untill then, let it be known. Ignorance shows real leadership.
Burn Eden? No match for old days of Tundragon, Bonecollectors and Teddybears. Their mouthes are bigger than their skills, which is never good.
Old days? What do you know about us? Besides the fact that you and yours as well as the rest of eve just like to die at our hands...
We have always been better than anyone else and always will be, no patch, no blob, no smack is going to change that. The sooner you realize that there is only 1 true pirate pvp corp in eve that matters the better.
Far as smack goes, like I always said before we never start it but we always finish it.
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Lifewire
Caldari TunDraGon
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Posted - 2006.09.13 11:08:00 -
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How agonizing - epeen-contest.
So i add: for me, my ex-gangmates have been the best pilots in the galaxy and i wanted to let them know - in public. This does not mean that they are the best guys in this galaxy...it¦s just "for me".
So bag your epeens please and gtfo of this topic before Chode hauls in 3 freighters full of holy water and drownes you.
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Darknesss
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.09.13 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN
Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Quote: All in all the Teddybear and TDG pilots of these days were the best pilots avaibale in the galaxy. But in an era of growing blobs and hard days for pirates their lack of organisation skills were inaceptable for me. A small gang of individualists is probably the best combat unit avaiable but as soon a certain gangsize occours, this style looses efficency. Operations in empire get very easy using a corpfreither and i was not willing to move 3 corphangars and 20 individual hangars just because some of the people arent able to teamplay. It is vital to a pirate corp to be extemly efficient - and that¦s why TDG is still here and all other pirate corps, including the Teddybears, have vanished.
*coughs*
I didn't want to speak on this matter but I feel I must. To claim that no other still exist is pure ignorance. If you can't even reconize your enemies victories then how can you claim such a statement? It's one thing to know you're good and another to respect that your enemy is also on that level. As it has been said, BURN EDEN for example is far from over. When you can pull in the amount of loot and currency they pull in from there even more well organized gang and tactics then you might be able to splurt such lies from that amature mouth of yours.
Untill then, let it be known. Ignorance shows real leadership.
Burn Eden? No match for old days of Tundragon, Bonecollectors and Teddybears. Their mouthes are bigger than their skills, which is never good.
Old days? What do you know about us? Besides the fact that you and yours as well as the rest of eve just like to die at our hands...
We have always been better than anyone else and always will be, no patch, no blob, no smack is going to change that. The sooner you realize that there is only 1 true pirate pvp corp in eve that matters the better.
Far as smack goes, like I always said before we never start it but we always finish it.
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Nervar
Exotic Dancers Club
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Posted - 2006.09.14 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Lifewire
So bag your epeens please and gtfo of this topic before Chode hauls in 3 freighters full of holy water and drownes you.
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Assassin 2
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.09.14 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN
Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Quote: All in all the Teddybear and TDG pilots of these days were the best pilots avaibale in the galaxy. But in an era of growing blobs and hard days for pirates their lack of organisation skills were inaceptable for me. A small gang of individualists is probably the best combat unit avaiable but as soon a certain gangsize occours, this style looses efficency. Operations in empire get very easy using a corpfreither and i was not willing to move 3 corphangars and 20 individual hangars just because some of the people arent able to teamplay. It is vital to a pirate corp to be extemly efficient - and that¦s why TDG is still here and all other pirate corps, including the Teddybears, have vanished.
*coughs*
I didn't want to speak on this matter but I feel I must. To claim that no other still exist is pure ignorance. If you can't even reconize your enemies victories then how can you claim such a statement? It's one thing to know you're good and another to respect that your enemy is also on that level. As it has been said, BURN EDEN for example is far from over. When you can pull in the amount of loot and currency they pull in from there even more well organized gang and tactics then you might be able to splurt such lies from that amature mouth of yours.
Untill then, let it be known. Ignorance shows real leadership.
Burn Eden? No match for old days of Tundragon, Bonecollectors and Teddybears. Their mouthes are bigger than their skills, which is never good.
Old days? What do you know about us? Besides the fact that you and yours as well as the rest of eve just like to die at our hands...
We have always been better than anyone else and always will be, no patch, no blob, no smack is going to change that. The sooner you realize that there is only 1 true pirate pvp corp in eve that matters the better.
Far as smack goes, like I always said before we never start it but we always finish it.
NOOB. your no better then my grandmother at playing football.
Just sit back let this topic takes its course and go play with your stabs. Because thats sadly the only way you will ever defeat an enemy
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Lifewire
Caldari TunDraGon
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Posted - 2006.09.14 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: Lifewire on 14/09/2006 11:19:01 After a long convo with Zarquon he will remove his article. I think this is very noble and i recommend a forum-admin to now also delete this topic.
Our dirty laundry is not that dirty and it is useless to discuss it in public, especially if the topic gets only used as stage for trolls.
FORUM-ADMIN, PLZ DEL TOPIC, THANK YOU
Cya all in space
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Earthan
Gallente GREY COUNCIL R i s e
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Posted - 2006.09.14 21:19:00 -
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Burn eden was never even half as good as TDG and Teddybears.Not in fighting style , not in bravery, not in dignity not in anything.Tough ofc they are effective int ehir own style in ganking poeple with snipers and wcs.
Burn Eden for me are really low pirates where is i awlsys had and have great resepct for TDG and Teddybears - Grey Council military officer,Rise Wing Commander. Grey Council webpage
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crice
Caldari CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.14 23:09:00 -
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I love Lifewire.
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Lifewire
Caldari TunDraGon
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Posted - 2006.09.14 23:30:00 -
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If BE snipes with stabs they are.......good pirates. My true opinion since playing the brave pirate and get ganked by a 20-men-blob just says you are a brave pirate, but not a good one.
However - this has nothing to do with the topic and i still hope a forum-admin deletes the topic since Zarq will remove the ROAAR-story and the topic is now useless.
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.09.15 02:59:00 -
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Transmission intercepted and cleaned of the madmen interruptions. For questions, get in touch with our staff in Yulai or send us a transmission to [email protected]
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