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Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2014.12.04 03:11:40 -
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"The Nestor being called the GÇÿworst ship in the gameGÇÖ has become somewhat of a running joke at CCP. The Nestor, as I pointed out in my keynote presentation is actually getting more usage than the Bhaalgorn and has developed its own niche." -- CCP Rise
Great - can we fix the Bhaalgorn now?
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2014.12.04 12:20:45 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:"The Nestor being called the GÇÿworst ship in the gameGÇÖ has become somewhat of a running joke at CCP. The Nestor, as I pointed out in my keynote presentation is actually getting more usage than the Bhaalgorn and has developed its own niche." -- CCP Rise
Great - can we fix the Bhaalgorn now?
I missed that comment first time round from CCP Rise..... Whilst they are doing some great work, on this they are really in Denial, I know every mother loves her children, but really!
It must hurt so much to have people laugh at them, and try to mend their little broken hearts, when you instead could allow them to have the operation to make them better.
Hint- adding extra limbs is not helping.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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Schluffi Schluffelsen
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.12.04 12:29:11 -
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I don't agree with you, the Nestor has it perks - but not as a solo ship.
I'd personally love to see a remote cap bonus on (amount/range), then I'd be happy :) . And if CCP reintroduces combat relic sites, the nestor will cool to have :) |
Schluffi Schluffelsen
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2014.12.04 12:34:21 -
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whoopsy, pls delete |
Kaerakh
Surprisingly Deep Hole Try Rerolling
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Posted - 2014.12.04 16:38:30 -
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Tchulen wrote: Nope, from pretty much anyone's perspective.
Tchulen wrote: Other than the fact that there are people using them in WHs.
Such argue, very point, wow, amaze, very effect.
Tchulen wrote:No, you posted the same thing twice in the same thread. That's what I'm questioning.
That's a straight up lie.
Tchulen wrote:Unlike this char. I also live in WHs with other characters. Just looking up the char that someone posts on doesn't really give you crap about what that person (person, not character) actually does or understands about EVE.
Seeing as how we've established that you're a liar. I don't have much faith in your claim.
Tchulen wrote:Nope. It's a perfectly decent question which you've failed to answer. Perhaps if you tried to use the ship as it's intended rather than try to bend it to a purpose it isn't you might have more luck with it but then I guess one can say that about pretty much anything in EVE.
Good luck getting it changed. I agree that it's not perfect but I would say the issue here is 50:50; 50% the ship needs some love and 50% you need to learn to think.
Fly stupid ;)
Fine, I'll answer it your question. The problem is that we have a useless asset clogging up gameplay that has no effective place. Every ship I listed but the Domi can access the same locations as the Nestor, ergo it's overshadowed by smaller cheaper ships.
You also seem to think I have some emotional attachment to this ship. I don't. I've never bought one on TQ or flown one on TQ because the numbers are simply inferior to any other dedicated platform at a higher price tag. It's borderline brain dead to buy one of these rather than use a more effective and cheaper platform as I outlined earlier.
Also, it's immaterial if I'm a selfish ******* or not. That does not undercut or invalidate my argument or its points. Meanwhile most of your points and arguments are completely irrelevant to the discussion and make no forward progress to the discussion. You don't make any observations based on observable numbers or facts, meanwhile every point I made can be reinforced by a quick stroll over the numbers, EFT, and some referencing of the market.
Lastly, this board isn't for one upping your competition and winning the argument. This board is for the exchange of ideas in an open format so that CCP can either utilize, draw inspiration, or monitor feedback. Bickering over hurt feelings is a distraction. The fact that I had to remind you of this tells me that you're not here to contribute anything and are therefore a crap poster.
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Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2014.12.05 14:42:44 -
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Kaerakh wrote: >>me - Other than the fact that there are people using them in WHs.
Such argue, very point, wow, amaze, very effect.
What the fuq? Have you just strung a random bunch of words together because you have nothing useful to respond due to me being right? Cos... you know... I'm right on this one.
Kaerakh wrote:>>me - No, you posted the same thing twice in the same thread. That's what I'm questioning. That's a straight up lie. I've just looked back through the thread and you're correct, you posted that in a different thread. I thought I'd read it before and didn't check so no, I'm not lying, I'm mistaken. There is a massive difference.
Kaerakh wrote:>>me - Unlike this char. I also live in WHs with other characters. Just looking up the char that someone posts on doesn't really give you crap about what that person (person, not character) actually does or understands about EVE.
Seeing as how we've established that you're a liar. I don't have much faith in your claim. Well, seeing how you've established nothing, whether you have or don't have faith in what I've said is irrelavent.
Kaerakh wrote:>>me - Nope. It's a perfectly decent question which you've failed to answer. Perhaps if you tried to use the ship as it's intended rather than try to bend it to a purpose it isn't you might have more luck with it but then I guess one can say that about pretty much anything in EVE.)
Fine, I'll answer it your question. The problem is that we have a useless asset clogging up gameplay that has no effective place. Every ship I listed but the Domi can access the same locations as the Nestor, ergo it's overshadowed by smaller cheaper ships. So you say but there are quite clearly people using it. People have posted in threads on the forums that they use it and it's still selling for around a billion isk. People are using it. Just because you're not doesn't mean no one has worked out a good use for it. It just means you haven't.
Kaerakh wrote:Lastly, this board isn't for one upping your competition and winning the argument. This board is for the exchange of ideas in an open format so that CCP can either utilize, draw inspiration, or monitor feedback. Bickering over hurt feelings is a distraction. The fact that I had to remind you of this tells me that you're not here to contribute anything and are therefore a crap poster. I'm posting counter points. Just because someone disagrees with you it doesn't mean they're not allowed to voice their concerns and thoughts on the subject. Just because someone disagrees with you it doesn't make them a shiptoaster, either. The fact that you think it does says a lot about you. You're the one who needs to be reminded of it, to be honest. I suggest you stop with the bickering but I suspect you won't be able to stop yourself from posting another "bickering" post. |
Kaerakh
Surprisingly Deep Hole Try Rerolling
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Posted - 2014.12.05 16:06:17 -
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Tchulen wrote: What the fuq? Have you just strung a random bunch of words together because you have nothing useful to respond due to me being right? Cos... you know... I'm right on this one.
Because it's meaningless. Hearsay is meaningless. Those statements are hearsay.
Also: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/doge
So in essence I didn't think it was worth responding to.
Tchulen wrote:I've just looked back through the thread and you're correct, you posted that in a different thread. I thought I'd read it before and didn't check so no, I'm not lying, I'm mistaken. There is a massive difference.
Quality control after trying to slander me, sweet. I'm inspired with complete confidence.
Tchulen wrote:Well, seeing how you've established nothing, whether you have or don't have faith in what I've said is irrelavent.
You've probably never heard of burden of proof.
Tchulen wrote:So you say but there are quite clearly people using it. People have posted in threads on the forums that they use it and it's still selling for around a billion isk. People are using it. Just because you're not doesn't mean no one has worked out a good use for it. It just means you haven't.
Forum posters are the minority, sure people will use it, but it's so rare and far flung because it has no proper usage that it alone excels at. Edit: Which I have illustrated at length.
Tchulen wrote:I'm posting counter points. Just because someone disagrees with you it doesn't mean they're not allowed to voice their concerns and thoughts on the subject. Just because someone disagrees with you it doesn't make them a shiptoaster, either. The fact that you think it does says a lot about you. You're the one who needs to be reminded of it, to be honest. I suggest you stop with the bickering but I suspect you won't be able to stop yourself from posting another "bickering" post.
This is exactly what I was talking about. More of the same. Instead of trying to get into my head you should be focusing on the issue and producing something of quantifiable worth. Right now you're just saying, "They do because I say so." Which is a terrible and ineffectual argument.
Anyways, I'm done. I've told you how to convince me several times now and even spelled it out, but you're rabidly focused on the one-up-manship. You can go flame bait someone else.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.12.05 16:30:01 -
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Since CCP don't want to give it covert cloak, how about just just the ability to jump to a covert Cyno. It can follow a black ops gang around but can't warp cloaked. You would have to make it enter directly when the shooting begins to not have it get spotted but at least it could follow and rep if needed at that point. |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2014.12.08 08:30:26 -
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Kaerakh wrote:This is exactly what I was talking about. More of the same. Instead of trying to get into my head you should be focusing on the issue and producing something of quantifiable worth. Right now you're just saying, "They do because I say so." Which is a terrible and ineffectual argument. No, I'm saying "They do because lots of people say so". I don't think anything is correct just because *I* think it is. It depends on whether others do as well, which they do. You clearly can't see past your opinion though.
Kaerakh wrote:Anyways, I'm done. I've told you how to convince me several times now and even spelled it out, but you're rabidly focused on the one-up-manship. You can go flame bait someone else. What makes you think I want to convince you? My only interest is in letting CCP know that your opinion isn't the only one and that they should carefully consider the current use cases before they go changing things just because someone like you gets all opinionated and vocal on the forumes.
I've already expressed my opinion that the ship should perhaps be considered again but just that. I don't think your points of "other ships do each individual thing that this ship does better" to be true or relevant. They don't all do everything that the Nestor does and I've already explained that for some of the roles they don't necessarily do it better. You just stick your fingers in your ears and refuse to listen to reason whilst firmly stating that your opinion is the only truth in a rather over-zealot sort of way which kind of invalidates it. |
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
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Posted - 2014.12.08 09:35:26 -
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It has it's uses in short spurt scenarios, as it reps more than any other ship can. That's why you see them flashing yellow on undocks.
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Fin Diritez
Universal Defense Initiative
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Posted - 2014.12.18 01:51:43 -
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Hope we will see something in the next update... |
Aran Hotchkiss
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.12.18 02:34:24 -
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Tchulen wrote:MOTHER OF ALL SHITSTORMS
Good god it's like I dropped two cats in an ice-bath then shoved both of then into an empty sack.
Stop, please. The oral diarrhea is starting to obscure everyone's sensors.
From my limited experience, the Nestor's price is being artificially raised by SOE probes and launchers - we use Dominixes over Nestor's in our wh ops because for a quarter to a fifth of the hull cost, the Dominix is able to do everything at a sufficient level already. |
Kaleesa
Paradox Collective Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2014.12.18 02:58:00 -
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Perhaps something that really says it all is that I keep forgetting the Nestor even exists... It's super pointless in its current configuration. Also, all you guys that want to see it turned into a black ops logi.... No... Just no. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2014.12.18 06:08:30 -
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Warde Guildencrantz wrote:As Zmikund said, it's useful in wormholes.
I'm more concerned about the Barghest. The point range bonuses are useful, but the general speediness and lack of tank aren't that useful. BSes need huge tank, pretty simple.
You can make an armour Barghest with an (80km?) point.
CSM Ten movement for change.
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Momiji Sakora
Omni Galactic
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Posted - 2014.12.18 10:50:35 -
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Vulfen wrote:Try reading the entire thread. Also my idea/recommendation is CCP should fix the ship, and not keep rebalancing it every 3 months because something else they have done broke it / made it pathetic.
Nestor works like a dream for Incursion running - 2x the power of a Guardian whilst still putting out the DPS of a Napoc/Apoc. |
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