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Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.07.25 22:12:00 -
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CCP Fozzie it was good to hear you on the EVE Downunder radio show last night answering questions on the show and in the ingame chat channel, giving Aussie eve players some love.
Yes i was nagging you about WH issues so here is just one more...
Can we get you to look at giving us AU players some real love and changing after DT sigs to keep the pre DT sig ID? Having them change ID's just because of DT leads to extra tedious chores on top of what we already do in WH space to function. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.07.25 22:59:00 -
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HerrBert wrote:Do you understand the madness you are requesting?
No more Sig Unification? Perma-Signatures !
Not sure if you are brilliant or ... stupid... really not sure. Will get back to you on that one.
Ohh Herbert i love you.
I really don't see the issue, when a sig is spawned it is assigned an ID, downtime changes that ID when the sig itself does not change. So just leave that sig ID alone.
I think in your Herbert level madness do you think i want sigs to stay around permanently... yes you are that level of crazy, my mistake. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.07.25 23:23:00 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:Same sig different location? That'd be horrid... Would sigs only change after they despawned then?
Sigs would disappear when they despawn, i don't understand your confusion.
All i am asking for is to not have to rescan the same sig after DT just because the ID has changed, i am not asking for permanent sigs or any crazy ****. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.07.25 23:25:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Yeap, +1
It's pretty demoralizing logging in after dinner to do scans, looking at the clock and realizing it's kinda pointless because you're gonna have to do it allllll over again in an hour or so. I don't mind scanning but I don't love it that much.
I agree, often if it is close to DT a lot of people just won't scan close to DT knowing they may as well leave a whole section of a chain unscanned until after DT when the sig ID will remain until the next DT. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.07.29 09:35:00 -
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DT is coming.... |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.07.29 12:37:00 -
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Ab'del Abu wrote:I like how it is. We don't write down signatures anymore while scanning our chain because that information turned out to be largely irrelevant to us, we only do so for our home hole now. After DT we simply watch out for signatures that don't match the prevalent pattern, that's actually quite handy. Changing the mechanics would def. mess with our way of doing things ...
I figure the current mechanics might suck for alliances, but alliance bookmarks should take care of that soonTM.
Your response makes no sense at all, what will Alliance BM's have to do with any of this?
The fact that you state you don't record signatures in your chain and your laziness as your reason to avoid change makes little sense as to why it shouldn't change, you should be aware CCP never listens to the reason "this is the way it has always been you can't change it on us" as a valid argument. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.07.30 05:31:00 -
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Ab'del Abu wrote:Winthorp wrote:Ab'del Abu wrote: I figure the current mechanics might suck for alliances, but alliance bookmarks should take care of that soonTM.
Your response makes no sense at all, what will Alliance BM's have to do with any of this? If - for whatever reason - bookmarks cannot be shared directly, signature IDs can be used to convey information about wormholes etc. As it stands this doesn't work when there is a downtime inbetween. Yes it's a minor issue ... Winthorp wrote:Ab'del Abu wrote:I like how it is. We don't write down signatures anymore while scanning our chain because that information turned out to be largely irrelevant to us, we only do so for our home hole now. After DT we simply watch out for signatures that don't match the prevalent pattern, that's actually quite handy. Changing the mechanics would def. mess with our way of doing things ...
The fact that you state you don't record signatures in your chain and your laziness as your reason to avoid change makes little sense as to why it shouldn't change, you should be aware CCP never listens to the reason "this is the way it has always been you can't change it on us" as a valid argument. Everyone is going on about how they absolutely need to rescan all the things, but noone says why it's so vital. Noone has given a single ~good~ reason that justifies CCP putting their resources into making this change. Imho the benefits of the current system def. outweighs the disadvantages. E.g., if this should actually change, everyone will need to use tools like tripwire or eveeye for parsing scan results in order to be able to notice new signatures. Or do you expect anyone to just manually write down those 200+ signatures in a larger chain? I hope CCP forces neither on us As someone else already pointed out, such a change would probably mean more work for a majority of wormholers - including pilots from AU and EU timezones too.
I find it hard to believe that there are people still in WH space that don't use mapping tools, and if they don't they are special kind of crazy person that i just can't spend my time explaining the benefits to.
Usually the people that want to see this idea stay the same are US TZ people that like that they can instantly see a new signature pop up to find the active WH chain they should be scouting, i was assuming this was you untill i realized you are that special kind of person that has never used a mapping tool to understands its merits when it comes to mass sig reading and recording.
As an AU player CCP investing in this VERY SMALL CHANGE would make it more likely that newer players that are from AU or early EU are more likely to stay in WH space instead of getting an arduous chore after every DT to do before they can play the game again, i am bitter and whiney yes but your reasons for CCP not doing this go only towards it will make it less likely for you to see a new WH... How lazy is that?
Maybe you should ask every large WH corp/alliance how hard it is to get AU players new and old and then retain them to WH space where they have to scan before DT before they can play the game and then in their prime time the game goes offline for 15-30mins and then when they log back in they have to at the bare minimum rescan the home Wh... Ask them why they just end up going back to null. (Only the committed and crazy WH Aussies stay in the end) |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.07.31 11:06:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Goodbye Winthorp
Are you going somewhere?
But seriously your poetry brings a tear to my third eye.
EDIT: Also it's now DT and i am off to "converse" with the wife and then come back after DT for my scanning chores. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.01 13:11:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:We've looked into this a few times, and it's not trivial to change. Involves a pretty fundamental part of the process that the server uses to create dynamic locations in space.
I know this is just about the most frustrating possible answer, but all I can say for now is that yes we'd ideally like these IDs to persist over downtime but I don't know when we might get it done.
Well thanks for replying though. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.01 13:31:00 -
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Andrew Jester wrote: #rekt
Get a scan slave
Not #rekt at all, i at no time though CCP would jump in and fix this just because i asked... LOL
I'm just happy they read it and see people still hate the **** failed mechanic and now we know they don't like it either. OP SUCCESS.
Also if your going to go to null Jester, could you have not had some class in your choice of group... |
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Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.01 14:31:00 -
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Andrew Jester wrote: It's not null, it's ~*lowsec*~
Even worse. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.15 13:57:00 -
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Confirmed getting fixed https://twitter.com/CCP_Masterplan/status/500243332048883713
Cheers CCP Fozzie and CCP Masterplan, thanks for listening. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.15 13:59:00 -
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HerrBert wrote:CALLED IT!
So... Hows that working out for you now.... |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.16 09:31:00 -
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Bert you must have a really big bowl of green to get through today.
Also see you in Alliance chat very soon... |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.16 09:57:00 -
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HerrBert wrote:Winthorp wrote:Bert you must have a really big bowl of green to get through today.
Also see you in Alliance chat very soon... DUUUUUUDEEEEEE !!!!!! YO COMING!!!! AWESOME .. LETS WRECK FACE AGAIN!!!! WUHHHUUUU Edit: on 2nd thought, i just did the basic winthorp pre check. Hide your kids Hide your wife
The question is if i awox you will i get the boot or a medal? |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.30 23:50:00 -
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HerrBert wrote:We keep getting the same IDs again after Downtime, but the results are different. E.g.: Before Downtime the ID RAM-123 was a Wormhole Connection, but after Downtime the ID RAM-123 is a Gassite. -redderp
I sit back and rest my case.
Overall this is still a great change for WH space and I am glad CCP took my request for this change seriously.
I am sure any little bugs with it can be overcome. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.31 07:30:00 -
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Alundil wrote:In other exciting news. More empty chains today. I'd hazard a guess and say that there were at least as many empty chains today as there were yesterday.
Yeah it was like this before Hyperion....
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