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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
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Posted - 2014.07.05 18:39:00 -
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First, I will never understand why people would want people to leave their subscription game. Yet we hear the "maybe EvE isn't for you" or "go play WoW all the time". Do you understand how subscription games are funded?
That is reason number one new players are important to EvE, they pay cash. There are exceptions, but for the most part new players pay for subs. They also pay for plex as wealth accumulation in this game can be very slow at the start. There are veterans who put their money where their mouth is, but for new players it is almost a given.
Reason number two is they buy off the market. They do not come into being in a guild that produces all that their members need. Instead they grind this and that and go to the market to buy the next step in their ascension. There is a reason why items that a bitter vet wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole sell on the market.
But more importantly, imo, new players bring new ideas. In a game that bills itself as a sandbox with extremely limited content provided by the developers new ideas are the only thing that keep this game fresh. Another Hulkageddon or permit scam or insidious corporate takeover or blue donut will not keep people interested for very long. The next big thing will not come from someone with 15000 posts defending things the way they are. It will most likely come from someone just joining the game that says "what if?"
tl:dr give the kid a chance. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
873
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Posted - 2014.07.05 18:40:00 -
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Go back to wow crybaby. DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS | Coreli Corporation, Serpentis Loyalists DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS | Small gang PVP & drug production DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS | Ship Replacement program DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS | Multiple roaming fleets per day |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
893
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Posted - 2014.07.05 19:03:00 -
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Eve is like S&M.
Some people find pleasure in it and others find it just painful. |
Yazzinra
Scorpion Ventures Rim Worlds Protectorate
43
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Posted - 2014.07.05 19:13:00 -
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Rowells wrote:Eve is like S&M.
Some people find pleasure in it and others find it just painful.
well now i'm confused. I thought it was pleasurable because its painful |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5391
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Posted - 2014.07.05 19:41:00 -
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CCP actively tries to recruit the dregs of internet that no other game would allow past character creation with their come to EVE and grief like it's what you were born to do attitude.
While there is nothing wrong with that per se, it's not all there is and shouldn't be focused on to the exclusion of everything else. There is so much more potential to this game than just paying $15 a month to be able to get away with being a total **** to everyone else. Sadly, it seems that most new players are total dicks.
It might be time for CCP to try attracting a more creative type of person into the game. Reach out to potential players that are interested in cooperative empire building and not just destruction. People who want to work together for more reason than to build trust for a corp theft. People that want to actually create stuff and sell it to you for an honest profit rather than as a set up for a scam.
Again, there is nothing wrong with destruction, corp theft, scams etc. They just shouldn't be the only thing that comes to mind when they think about EVE.
I'm not talking about changing game mechanics. I'm talking about CCP learning to attract a broader type of player profile and not just asshats. The OP is right. New players are critical to this game. But lets get more than one type in here. If all you attract is morons, then no matter what content you add, the game will still stagnate. And it has been. Contrary to how people like to pretend that the modest increase in characters is more than just alt accts.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22857
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Posted - 2014.07.05 19:48:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:First, I will never understand why people would want people to leave their subscription game. Yet we hear the "maybe EvE isn't for you" or "go play WoW all the time". Do you understand how subscription games are funded? GǪand just because the game subscription-funded doesn't mean that those answers are incorrect or inappropriate (beyond maybe some lack of diplomacy).
Those two particular comments are levelled against people who come into EVE expecting it to be something else, and when they figure out that they haven't done their research, they demand it be changed to match their expectations rather than adjust those expectations to match reality.
Yes, new players are important because they bring in subscriptions and ideas, but that doesn't translate into them being something that must be retained at all costs. Some simply aren't interested customers, and it'll take them a sub cycle or three to figure this out. Trying to replace the existing customer base by catering to the ever-changing, inconsistent, and very short-term whims of players who don't actually want to play the game to begin with is a sure-fire way to kill the game in one development cycle.
tl;dr GÇô the kid gets a chance if s/he gives the game a chance rather than instantly demand it become like any of the myriad other games s/he'd rather want to play. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Chewytowel Haklar
Minmatar Brotherhood
18
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Posted - 2014.07.05 19:59:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:First, I will never understand why people would want people to leave their subscription game. Yet we hear the "maybe EvE isn't for you" or "go play WoW all the time". Do you understand how subscription games are funded?
That is reason number one new players are important to EvE, they pay cash. There are exceptions, but for the most part new players pay for subs. They also pay for plex as wealth accumulation in this game can be very slow at the start. There are veterans who put their money where their mouth is, but for new players it is almost a given.
Reason number two is they buy off the market. They do not come into being in a guild that produces all that their members need. Instead they grind this and that and go to the market to buy the next step in their ascension. There is a reason why items that a bitter vet wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole sell on the market.
But more importantly, imo, new players bring new ideas. In a game that bills itself as a sandbox with extremely limited content provided by the developers new ideas are the only thing that keep this game fresh. Another Hulkageddon or permit scam or insidious corporate takeover or blue donut will not keep people interested for very long. The next big thing will not come from someone with 15000 posts defending things the way they are. It will most likely come from someone just joining the game that says "what if?"
tl:dr give the kid a chance.
What if I can just join a queue and have a 1 vs 1 engagement with a prefit ship of my choosing that I can lose over and over again. Perhaps I can learn faster in such a battle arena without having to lose my ships in the process, but those provided by the queue. :D |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7598
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Posted - 2014.07.05 20:05:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:First, I will never understand why people would want people to leave their subscription game.
I can guess that you never played Ultima Online, then. There were quite a few people who I would have been happy to see them just leave, rather than make the kind of effect on the game that they did.
Quote: Yet we hear the "maybe EvE isn't for you" or "go play WoW all the time". Do you understand how subscription games are funded?
Not by the people who cry about everything. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3531
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Posted - 2014.07.05 20:22:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:First, I will never understand why people would want people to leave their subscription game. Yet we hear the "maybe EvE isn't for you" or "go play WoW all the time". Do you understand how subscription games are funded? i understand what a niche market is
like why don't they make tampons more appealing to the male demographic |
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
135
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Posted - 2014.07.05 21:53:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Nexus Day wrote:First, I will never understand why people would want people to leave their subscription game. Yet we hear the "maybe EvE isn't for you" or "go play WoW all the time". Do you understand how subscription games are funded? i understand what a niche market is like why don't they make tampons more appealing to the male demographic
I know right, I'm sure there is something the male demographic could find to do with tampons.
Quote:First, I will never understand why people would want people to leave their subscription game. Yet we hear the "maybe EvE isn't for you" or "go play WoW all the time". Do you understand how subscription games are funded?
I agree its important to keep new players, however we don't want to keep them if it costs us the game we enjoy.
New players who join the game and think they are getting another wow clone, and get upset when they find out they are wrong don't belong here. |
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Nose' Feliciano
58
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Posted - 2014.07.05 22:02:00 -
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What EVE is like:
when I was a kid, i got it in my head to build a tower out of a single deck playing cards.
Just to see if i could do it.
It took me weeks of tries and retries. A straight up tower is not the same as a house of cards, so stability was always an issue.
It becameran obsession. One day, without fanfare I did it....and I won my own personal "EVE." Ladies, you know what they say about guys with big noses right? Heh-heh!! That's right, it means they are either Jewish or Italian.
:P |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7058
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Posted - 2014.07.05 22:09:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:First, I will never understand why people would want people to leave their subscription game. Yet we hear the "maybe EvE isn't for you" or "go play WoW all the time". Do you understand how subscription games are funded?
Yes we do know. We also know that there are a lot of games out there and people should play those games rather than seek to change this one to suit them.
Why should people who LIKE EVE be forgotten for people who don't like it. You don't see us in WoW going "damn, this game needs spaceships and killmails".
EVE is a rather exclusive niche game. We like that and want that to continue. What we don't wat are legions of people (like you) who can't appreciate EVE for what it is and keep trying to preassure CCP to change it.
Quote: That is reason number one new players are important to EvE, they pay cash. There are exceptions, but for the most part new players pay for subs. They also pay for plex as wealth accumulation in this game can be very slow at the start. There are veterans who put their money where their mouth is, but for new players it is almost a given.
Reason number two is they buy off the market. They do not come into being in a guild that produces all that their members need. Instead they grind this and that and go to the market to buy the next step in their ascension. There is a reason why items that a bitter vet wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole sell on the market.
Why is it that every 'EVE needs moar new players" type poster is also the samekind of poster that doesn't know basic things about how EVE works.
Who cares is 'new players" pay 'cash'. Old players buy plex which bring more moeny to ccp than 'cash' does. And what 'guild' (this is word is how you know someone doesn't belong here btw) builds stuff for players other than carriers and other capital ships? 'Alliances' expect players to be self sufficient.
Quote: But more importantly, imo, new players bring new ideas. In a game that bills itself as a sandbox with extremely limited content provided by the developers new ideas are the only thing that keep this game fresh. Another Hulkageddon or permit scam or insidious corporate takeover or blue donut will not keep people interested for very long. The next big thing will not come from someone with 15000 posts defending things the way they are. It will most likely come from someone just joining the game that says "what if?"
tl:dr give the kid a chance.
Nonsense, new players don't know enough about the game to know what a good idea is, like you for example lol. Thank you for that 'just think of the children' nonsesn at the end though.
EVE needs new people, the RIGHT new people. Sandbox minded, brave new people who don't suck, not bored WoW/CoD instant gratification XBox live exiles.
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3534
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Posted - 2014.07.05 22:20:00 -
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Adira Nictor wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:like why don't they make tampons more appealing to the male demographic I know right, I'm sure there is something the male demographic could find to do with tampons. i just remembered something |
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
135
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Posted - 2014.07.05 22:52:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Adira Nictor wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:like why don't they make tampons more appealing to the male demographic I know right, I'm sure there is something the male demographic could find to do with tampons. i just remembered something
Honestly I thought it would be more like this |
Marsha Mallow
1226
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Posted - 2014.07.05 22:55:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:Yet we hear the "maybe EvE isn't for you" or "go play WoW all the time". People who demand gameplay changes that would turn this into another WoW clone might not be aware EvE really isn't for them. Not sure why "GBTWow" is seen as such a massive insult when it's pretty good advice, and will probably save a lot of teeth-gnashing and head-desking.
There's no point trying to argue new players are worth more revenue to CCP. The playerbase here doesn't particularly care and has minimal impact on CCP revenue streams anyway. If they wanted to make a generic themepark MMO purely to rake in the money on kickstarter or whatever, before folding after 18 months, they'd have done that in the first place.
Go back to WoW please. Or I'll resub my account and run up and down on your forums demanding a hardcore mode with perma death and the ability to scam, loot and make raiders cry on comms in a EULA compliant manner. Then make up loads of spurious, ill-informed claims as to how it will increase revenue. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Ashlar Maidstone
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
100
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Posted - 2014.07.05 23:17:00 -
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It was mentioned at Fanfest this year something about the New Player Experience that should help the new players, course we know how that goes when a noob gets podded first time in space. However when we as a community try to get new players we are so critical and so defensive about other people coming from WoW and other communities it's like we treat them like they have a plaque or something.
Sure, the new players come expecting everything handed to them on a silver platter but that's not how it works, they expect everything right out the undock to be there for them without realizing there's work involved to get to the next "level" so to speak. This is why they are so critical of the sandbox, and how we go about doing things and then grow into the path we chose to follow.
Nobody never told me it was gonna be this way and to find out over time just how Eve works, I gotten along quite nicely in a lot of ways on my own even. Any corp I ever been in has been helpful including my present corp., they have extended to me helpful ideas and suggestions and I made changes to those and with good results even.
But alas, when a newbie comes in and they give Eve a try for a time and see how it all fits and works together, they don't realize as I said just how much harder it is to advance further into this community. I got enough battle scars to prove it with. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4035
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Posted - 2014.07.05 23:24:00 -
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New player retention can be achieved by improving middle and endgame contents. Because new players sure won't stay around if the prospect of their future in EVE is just a boring grind with nothing exciting or rewarding to do.
Every. Feature. Matters. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Nariya Kentaya
Phoenix funds
1420
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Posted - 2014.07.05 23:43:00 -
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What CCP NEEDS to do is dig up all the old pre-NGE and pre-CU SWg players and let them know EVE wants them.
Seriously, the semi-sandbox game that SWG originally was was awesome until SOE decided WoW made too much money, and that making a NEW game was too much work, so they decided to turn a game that was already successful into a risen dead frankenstein of a themepark. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
913
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Posted - 2014.07.06 00:06:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:What CCP NEEDS to do is dig up all the old pre-NGE and pre-CU SWg players and let them know EVE wants them.
Seriously, the semi-sandbox game that SWG originally was was awesome until SOE decided WoW made too much money, and that making a NEW game was too much work, so they decided to turn a game that was already successful into a risen dead frankenstein of a themepark.
In a sense Wizards did the same thing with 4th Edition D&D ( though TT D&D always had a PvE spin to it, but at least in 3.5 the monsters were equal to human characters and controlled by a human).
The OP however has a point. Most of the non-alt highsec "carebears" will never move to null and become renters or takeup ganking. The idea that if they "just tried PvP they would love it" is particularly stupid. Some might most will not. So harass them enough they will just leave.
Aside from a loss in subs, there is a critical mass for players in a game and once it gets below a certain level people will stop logging in. At the moment EVE drops below 20,000 online in non peak times at which point most of low, non SOV null, and parts of high are already empty. Lose another 10,000 players and PvP opportunities off-peak will get very sparse on the ground. |
Nariya Kentaya
Phoenix funds
1421
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Posted - 2014.07.06 00:40:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote:What CCP NEEDS to do is dig up all the old pre-NGE and pre-CU SWg players and let them know EVE wants them.
Seriously, the semi-sandbox game that SWG originally was was awesome until SOE decided WoW made too much money, and that making a NEW game was too much work, so they decided to turn a game that was already successful into a risen dead frankenstein of a themepark. In a sense Wizards did the same thing with 4th Edition D&D ( though TT D&D always had a PvE spin to it, but at least in 3.5 the monsters were equal to human characters and controlled by a human). The OP however has a point. Most of the non-alt highsec "carebears" will never move to null and become renters or takeup ganking. The idea that if they "just tried PvP they would love it" is particularly stupid. Some might most will not. So harass them enough they will just leave. Aside from a loss in subs, there is a critical mass for players in a game and once it gets below a certain level people will stop logging in. At the moment EVE drops below 20,000 online in non peak times at which point most of low, non SOV null, and parts of high are already empty. Lose another 10,000 players and PvP opportunities off-peak will get very sparse on the ground. And a majority of those "non-alt highsec carebears" contribute little to the game itself, outside of flushing mroe ISK into the economy we dont need. Its not so much they need to "get into pvp" as much as they need to "join the community".
The amount of "solo" players EVE has is the problem, people who willingly choose to never associate with other players, either individually or as a group, are the antithesis to what EVE is supposed to be about. |
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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
1982
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Posted - 2014.07.06 00:56:00 -
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Adira Nictor wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Adira Nictor wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:like why don't they make tampons more appealing to the male demographic I know right, I'm sure there is something the male demographic could find to do with tampons. i just remembered something Honestly I thought it would be more like this
Nah, this is what immediately comes to mind.
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. |
Lady Zarrina
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
137
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Posted - 2014.07.06 00:58:00 -
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This is going to go well....
You are not playing EVE correctly unless you have a superiority complex as large as Titan. This game cultivates trolls and asshats crazy.
But beneath all the fuss, I think they are worried the best sandbox game will get simplified or changed to something more like WOW level by players who may not truly understand or love the game. damn it is hard to delete my signature |
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
580
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Posted - 2014.07.06 01:16:00 -
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There are no new players to EVE. Anyone who was every going to try EVE Online has done so.
You could ask why most never stayed but the answers won't be put in a neat little package. They will range and there will be lots of them but really it's all about information bloat. You see it even in the people who stay. All fits, all content, all scenarios in EVE are an attempt to reduce the useless information being thrown at you in bucket loads.
"It may prove valuable if turned in at proper authorities" The description on every dog tag in EVE Online. One of millions of examples where information is provided that has no actionable value. It creates a question and there is seldom an answer.
People who haven't wasted years filtering the useless information in EVE burn out in a matter of weeks and do what common sense people do. Go find a video game that makes sense at a basic level. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22868
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Posted - 2014.07.06 01:26:00 -
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Skydell wrote:People who haven't wasted years filtering the useless information in EVE burn out in a matter of weeks and do what common sense people do. Go find a video game that makes sense at a basic level. And EVE doesn't make senseGǪ how, exactly? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
580
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Posted - 2014.07.06 01:29:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Skydell wrote:People who haven't wasted years filtering the useless information in EVE burn out in a matter of weeks and do what common sense people do. Go find a video game that makes sense at a basic level. And EVE doesn't make senseGǪ how, exactly?
I'll provide a proper EVE Reply.
It depends.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22868
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Posted - 2014.07.06 01:31:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Tippia wrote: And EVE doesn't make senseGǪ how, exactly? I'll provide a proper EVE Reply. It depends. How about you actually answer the question instead: how does EVE not make sense? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
580
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Posted - 2014.07.06 01:43:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Skydell wrote:Tippia wrote: And EVE doesn't make senseGǪ how, exactly? I'll provide a proper EVE Reply. It depends. How about you actually answer the question instead: how does EVE not make sense?
You derailed this when you misquoted me. I owe you nothing. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22868
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Posted - 2014.07.06 01:46:00 -
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Skydell wrote:You derailed this when you misquoted me. I owe you nothing. Good thing that I neither derailed anything nor misquoted you. Now, can you answer the actual question or should we just dismiss your statement as a nonsensical brainfart? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
580
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Posted - 2014.07.06 01:49:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Skydell wrote:You derailed this when you misquoted me. I owe you nothing. Good thing that I neither derailed anything nor misquoted you. Now, can you answer the actual question or should we just dismiss your statement as a nonsensical brainfart?
I'd rather watch you play this forum game you seem to think you are so good at. It reflects my point quite well.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4776414#post4776414
That's where I joined in. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22868
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Posted - 2014.07.06 01:54:00 -
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Skydell wrote:That's where I joined in. GǪand after that, I quoted a claim you made and asked you to clarify it. Since you are incapable of doing so and instantly had to dive straight into evasion mode, we can safely conclude that your statement was just some irrelevant bleating without even a shred of coherent or cogent thought behind it.
Thanks for clearing that up. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
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