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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2014.07.06 06:17:00 -
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Arkady Romanov wrote:Skydell wrote:Tippia wrote:HehGǪ when I made that quip about his needing corrective eyewear, I didn't quite expect to be so spot on. And you still refuse to quote me in full. So you are still a troll shitstirring and fuckholling people in circles. Assuming you were right (and you're not), why do you care?
And you really don't know because you are too lazy to go back and check so jump on the bandwagon and take a snotshot at me too?
Oh wait you are a Goon.
NM
coward by default. |
Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
3763
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Posted - 2014.07.06 06:18:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Arkady Romanov wrote:Skydell wrote:Tippia wrote:HehGǪ when I made that quip about his needing corrective eyewear, I didn't quite expect to be so spot on. And you still refuse to quote me in full. So you are still a troll shitstirring and fuckholling people in circles. Assuming you were right (and you're not), why do you care? And you really don't know because you are too lazy to go back and check so jump on the bandwagon and take a snotshot at me too? Oh wait you are a Goon. NM coward by default.
Irrelevant and rubbish. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22884
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Posted - 2014.07.06 06:19:00 -
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Skydell wrote:And you really don't know because you are too lazy to go back and check so jump on the bandwagon and take a snotshot at me too?
Oh wait you are a Goon.
NM
coward by default. So you agree with him fully, then, since you can't think of any kind of argument to the contrary and have to go straight for the fallacies in order to (utterly fail to) appear like you have a legitimate opposing position. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
243
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Posted - 2014.07.06 06:25:00 -
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Skydell wrote: And you really don't know because you are too lazy to go back and check so jump on the bandwagon and take a snotshot at me too?
Oh wait you are a Goon.
NM
coward by default.
No I read it, I just don't understand it. I can't figure out why you get defensive and deflective when you had your argument pulled apart rather than provide context and data. What you chose to do started this shitfight. What you should have done would have lead to constructive dialogue.
Much like I don't understand why the fact that I'm a goon is somehow relevant to the conversation, or how you draw the conclusion about me being a coward, since we've never interacted on any level which would make that information available to you. |
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2014.07.06 06:32:00 -
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Arkady Romanov wrote:Skydell wrote: And you really don't know because you are too lazy to go back and check so jump on the bandwagon and take a snotshot at me too?
Oh wait you are a Goon.
NM
coward by default.
No I read it, I just don't understand it. I can't figure out why you get defensive and deflective when you had your argument pulled apart rather than provide context and data to shore it up. What you chose to do started this shitfight. What you should have done would have lead to constructive dialogue. Much like I don't understand why the fact that I'm a goon is somehow relevant to the conversation, or how you draw the conclusion about me being a coward, since we've never interacted on any level which would make that information available to you.
Where do come up with this imaginary stuff?
Tippia is like that Dog in every neighborhood that never stops barking no matter what you do. Yell at it, throw a rock at it, it just barks more and you guys are like every other stupid mutt on the street that barks because Tippia is barking. Dunno what you are barking at but the other dog is barking, you better bark too.
Sit boo-boo, sit. Good dog. |
Daimon Kaiera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
510
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Posted - 2014.07.06 06:36:00 -
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Are you enjoying the slapfight in this thread as much as I am? It's been a while since I've seen so many tears without Dinsdale being in the thread. .... . .-.. .--. / .. / .... .- ...- . / ..-. .- .-.. .-.. . -. / .- -. -.. / .. / -.-. .- -. -. --- - / --. . - / ..- .--. / ... - --- .--. - .... .. ... / ... .. --. -. .- - ..- .-. . / .. -.. . .- / .. ... / -. --- - / ... - --- .-.. . -. / ... - --- .--. |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
244
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Posted - 2014.07.06 06:38:00 -
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Skydell wrote: Where do come up with this imaginary stuff?
Tippia is like that Dog in every neighborhood that never stops barking no matter what you do. Yell at it, throw a rock at it, it just barks more and you guys are like every other stupid mutt on the street that barks because Tippia is barking. Dunno what you are barking at but the other dog is barking, you better bark too.
Sit boo-boo, sit. Good dog.
I find that if I present an argument, provide data, and answer queries constructively to help people understand my point of view, I rarely find myself at loggerheads with people who are interested in engaging in rational debate, even if they do not agree with my opinion or conclusions.
Tippia included. |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
244
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Posted - 2014.07.06 06:39:00 -
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Daimon Kaiera wrote:Are you enjoying the slapfight in this thread as much as I am? It's been a while since I've seen so many tears without Dinsdale being in the thread.
I liked your old avatar picture better. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22884
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Posted - 2014.07.06 06:41:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Where do come up with this imaginary stuff? What part of it is imaginary?
Quote:Tippia is like that Dog in every neighborhood that never stops barking no matter what you do. Yell at it, throw a rock at it, it just barks more Funnily enough, none of those are good methods to make a dog stop barking. Your choice of approach says quite a lot about why you're having such immense difficulties extricating yourself from the mess you've created for yourself.
It's very easy to make me stop asking questions: just answer them rather than go off on an evasive and abusive tangent that proves you have no answers and are getting increasingly desperate to cover this fact up.
Daimon Kaiera wrote:Are you enjoying the slapfight in this thread as much as I am? It's been a while since I've seen so many tears without Dinsdale being in the thread. That's an unfair comparison. Dindin may be bonkers and constantly close to tears, but at least he has some kind of twisted and other-wordly logic behind what he says. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
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Posted - 2014.07.06 06:43:00 -
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Need that heart smiley so I can use it in my replies to Tippia.
Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate | GÖí Full-time super model WH Blog | #420roloswag | Bio |
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Riyria Twinpeaks
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
2011
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Posted - 2014.07.06 06:49:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:First, I will never understand why people would want people to leave their subscription game. Yet we hear the "maybe EvE isn't for you" or "go play WoW all the time". Do you understand how subscription games are funded?
That is reason number one new players are important to EvE, they pay cash. There are exceptions, but for the most part new players pay for subs. They also pay for plex as wealth accumulation in this game can be very slow at the start. There are veterans who put their money where their mouth is, but for new players it is almost a given.
Reason number two is they buy off the market. They do not come into being in a guild that produces all that their members need. Instead they grind this and that and go to the market to buy the next step in their ascension. There is a reason why items that a bitter vet wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole sell on the market.
But more importantly, imo, new players bring new ideas. In a game that bills itself as a sandbox with extremely limited content provided by the developers new ideas are the only thing that keep this game fresh. Another Hulkageddon or permit scam or insidious corporate takeover or blue donut will not keep people interested for very long. The next big thing will not come from someone with 15000 posts defending things the way they are. It will most likely come from someone just joining the game that says "what if?"
tl:dr give the kid a chance.
As I joined EvE few months ago, I've seen nothing but a helpful and friendly attitude from older players towards myself.
From what I understand, it boils down to this:
- New players in general are a good thing
- New players who don't like the game and want to have it changed away from what the other players like, are not good.
As, apparently, there aren't many games around which allow for the sort of experience as playing EvE does, those who enjoy EvE understandably react sensitive to attempts to change their beloved game. And, as is often the case, the discontent people are more vocal on average, so the newbies who enjoy playing the game are probably underrepresented here. Add to that trolling and attitude like you have on all game forums, and you'll arrive at where the EvE forums is.
It's nothing special, and while I wish people would treat each other with more respect, it's in my opinion not really that bad, either. |
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2014.07.06 06:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Skydell wrote:Where do come up with this imaginary stuff? What part of it is imaginary? Quote:Tippia is like that Dog in every neighborhood that never stops barking no matter what you do. Yell at it, throw a rock at it, it just barks more Funnily enough, none of those are good methods to make a dog stop barking. Your choice of approach says quite a lot about why you're having such immense difficulties extricating yourself from the mess you've created for yourself. It's very easy to make me stop asking questions: just answer them rather than go off on an evasive and abusive tangent that proves you have no answers and are getting increasingly desperate to cover this fact up. Daimon Kaiera wrote:Are you enjoying the slapfight in this thread as much as I am? It's been a while since I've seen so many tears without Dinsdale being in the thread. That's an unfair comparison. Dindin may be bonkers and constantly close to tears, but at least he has some kind of twisted and other-wordly logic behind what he says.
And you are still a troll who won't ask your question with my original post intact. I doubt you ever will because you have an audience now and that was what you wanted. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5400
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Posted - 2014.07.06 06:51:00 -
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Daimon Kaiera wrote:Are you enjoying the slapfight in this thread as much as I am? It's been a while since I've seen so many tears without Dinsdale being in the thread. Yeah, Tipps has been baiting people big time for a couple of days now. Most forum regulars know not to bother with him, but every once in a while someone stumbles and takes the bait. Then we get something like this off the rails screech fest to keep the rest of us amused.
It'll all be ISDed by tomorrow though as happens with most Tippia 'discussions'. So enjoy it while it's still here.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22885
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Posted - 2014.07.06 07:00:00 -
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Skydell wrote:And you are still a troll who won't ask your question with my original post intact. The original quote was intact from the very start. You can use that excuse as much as you like, but since it relies on a state of affairs that differs from reality, it will be a worthless excuse every time.
Even with the quote attached, you were incapable and unwilling to answer the question so the notion you're trying to put forward that its presence would make any difference was shot down long before you even attempted it.
Quote:I doubt you ever will because you have an audience now and that was what you wanted. No, that's just you making even more baseless assumptions. What I wanted was an answer to my very simple question. You were incapable of providing one, and instead chose a route of abuse and trolling. So now there are two things I want: an answer and an apology.
Mr Epeen wrote:Yeah, Tipps has been baiting people big time for a couple of days now. Not really, no. Largely because I don't bait people. I simply asked Skydell a simple question about something he said, at which point he blew up in a very surprising fit of rage.
Quote:It'll all be ISDed by tomorrow though as happens with most Tippia 'discussions'. Very few of my discussions get ISDed. Quite the opposite, in fact: it's when someone refuses to discuss and instead decides to troll it up that the ISD get involved. People preferring to drag a thread off topic and pull out all the stops as far as abuse and ranting goes, rather than actually argue their point is what does in the threads you're thinking about. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
244
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Posted - 2014.07.06 07:03:00 -
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Skydell wrote:And you are still a troll who won't ask your question with my original post intact. I doubt you ever will because you have an audience now and that was what you wanted.
Alright, fine. I'll humor you:
Skydell wrote:There are no new players to EVE. Anyone who was every going to try EVE Online has done so.
You could ask why most never stayed but the answers won't be put in a neat little package. They will range and there will be lots of them but really it's all about information bloat. You see it even in the people who stay. All fits, all content, all scenarios in EVE are an attempt to reduce the useless information being thrown at you in bucket loads.
"It may prove valuable if turned in at proper authorities" The description on every dog tag in EVE Online. One of millions of examples where information is provided that has no actionable value. It creates a question and there is seldom an answer.
People who haven't wasted years filtering the useless information in EVE burn out in a matter of weeks and do what common sense people do. Go find a video game that makes sense at a basic level.
Tippia wrote: Eve doesn't make sense... how exactly? |
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
580
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Posted - 2014.07.06 07:09:00 -
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Riyria Twinpeaks wrote:As I joined EvE few months ago, I've seen nothing but a helpful and friendly attitude from older players towards myself. From what I understand, it boils down to this:
- New players in general are a good thing
- New players who don't like the game and want to have it changed away from what the other players like, are not good.
As, apparently, there aren't many games around which allow for the sort of experience as playing EvE does, those who enjoy EvE understandably react sensitive to attempts to change their beloved game. And, as is often the case, the discontent people are more vocal on average, so the newbies who enjoy playing the game are probably underrepresented here. Add to that trolling and attitude like you have on all game forums, and you'll arrive at where the EvE forums is. It's nothing special, and while I wish people would treat each other with more respect, it's in my opinion not really that bad, either.
I was looking at it more from a mechanical side. The game is old and has seen a huge amount of revamp and nerfing. As such there are a lot of aspects that have no rhyme or reason to them.
Also, while Vets will say they are all new player friendly, the truth is, EVE is a paranoid game and while Vets will say they embrace new players, they all see them as alts and assume meta play at work. And of course, most of the time the lack of trust is well founded. They are alts, there are no new people coming to EVE. Just more Green Man Gamer specials bought up by people with more accounts than they can even remember. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22887
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Posted - 2014.07.06 07:11:00 -
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Skydell wrote:I was looking at it more from a mechanical side. The game is old and has seen a huge amount of revamp and nerfing. As such there are a lot of aspects that have no rhyme or reason to them. Such asGǪ? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5400
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Posted - 2014.07.06 07:12:00 -
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Tippia wrote:because I don't bait people. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Whew! Thanks for that. I think I just peed myself a little.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Riyria Twinpeaks
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
2011
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Posted - 2014.07.06 07:14:00 -
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That back and forth about quoting whole posts or not.. gah, it's driving me crazy. so.. here is a complete quote:
Skydell wrote:There are no new players to EVE. Anyone who was every going to try EVE Online has done so.
You could ask why most never stayed but the answers won't be put in a neat little package. They will range and there will be lots of them but really it's all about information bloat. You see it even in the people who stay. All fits, all content, all scenarios in EVE are an attempt to reduce the useless information being thrown at you in bucket loads.
"It may prove valuable if turned in at proper authorities" The description on every dog tag in EVE Online. One of millions of examples where information is provided that has no actionable value. It creates a question and there is seldom an answer.
People who haven't wasted years filtering the useless information in EVE burn out in a matter of weeks and do what common sense people do. Go find a video game that makes sense at a basic level.
First of all: I disagree. I like the wealth of information. And sure, I'm relying on websites other players set up, and third party tools, to manage that information better. But that's always been a good thing in an MMO, imo. The community figuring out things and helping each other with the results.
About those dog tags: It meant to me that there are people or NPCs out there who will buy those dog tags, either because they are the "proper authorities" or they know them, or the text is just there for the sake of some back story. At the time I wasn't interested in the "why" so I just sold them. If I later discovered I could use them for something myself, I'll just have to buy them from the market, right? Doesn't seem complicated to me.
And now for the question I am interested in as well: Why doesn't EVE make sense at a basic level?
I mean .. I undock in my ship, I shoot at NPCs or players or asteroids or I transport goods from A to B or run away from pirates while doing that, or I explore a bit, either doing exploration or literally just flying around and looking around. The difference to most games, as I see it, is that I have to find some sort of goal or project to pursue for myself, to not get bored. For some people that's good, for some not. I am actually one who has a hard time with it, but I am fascinated by the possibilities, so I'll try. For now my alliance is providing most of the content, but I don't plan of stopping there, but to find some personal projects as well.
So really, I don't see how EVE doesn't make sense, so I want to ask this question, too. |
Riyria Twinpeaks
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
2012
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Posted - 2014.07.06 07:21:00 -
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Skydell wrote:[...]
Also, while Vets will say they are all new player friendly, the truth is, EVE is a paranoid game and while Vets will say they embrace new players, they all see them as alts and assume meta play at work. And of course, most of the time the lack of trust is well founded. They are alts, there are no new people coming to EVE. Just more Green Man Gamer specials bought up by people with more accounts than they can even remember.
Well, as I joined my current alliance, they did check me out and interview me. I still don't have any rights to access corp hangars or stuff, but I don't really expect to at this point. I play very casually and mostly "consuming" instead of creating content, and as such didn't provide any reason for myself to get "promoted".
But if I need skillbooks from our stock, or ships lent for some alliance operations etc. I get them.
I am invited to join all ops as long as I am able to fly a ship which is even remotely useful, which is almost always and if only in a tackle frigate.
I met patient FCs explaining how to move with a fleet, and.. less patient FCs who still, while clearly frustrated sometimes, did their best to teach us newer players and explain what went wrong if something went wrong, and never without respect.
So seriously, I don't know what more I could expect. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22888
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Posted - 2014.07.06 07:24:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Whew! Thanks for that. I think I just peed myself a little. I think there's medication you can get for that these days.
And no, I don't bait people. People just get upset when their baseless claims are being questioned. I would rather prefer it if they could actually provide some basis for them instead GÇö calmly if possible GÇö but for some odd reason, very few people seem able to do that (most commonly because they made the whole claim up). This is not something I have any control over.
The notion that basic source criticism is something that could in any way be confused with GÇ£baitingGÇ¥ by some is deeply disturbing. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Varathius
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
79
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Posted - 2014.07.06 07:45:00 -
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In most games you don't need a brain to be able to play it, since Eve requires half a brain, most people are obviously going to be overwhelmed. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5401
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Posted - 2014.07.06 07:52:00 -
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Tippia wrote: And no, I don't bait people. People just get upset when their baseless claims are being questioned. I would rather prefer it if they could actually provide some basis for them instead GÇö calmly if possible GÇö but for some odd reason, very few people seem able to do that (most commonly because they made the whole claim up). This is not something I have any control over.
I swear to God that in a blind test 8 out of 10 people wouldn't be able to tell what you just wrote compared to one of Lady Spank's classic protestations that shes just misunderstood and not a troll. Tinfoil time? Maybe yes. Maybe no.
You know, I kind of miss her.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
580
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Posted - 2014.07.06 07:59:00 -
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Riyria Twinpeaks wrote:That back and forth about quoting whole posts or not.. gah, it's driving me crazy. so.. here is a complete quote: Skydell wrote:There are no new players to EVE. Anyone who was every going to try EVE Online has done so.
You could ask why most never stayed but the answers won't be put in a neat little package. They will range and there will be lots of them but really it's all about information bloat. You see it even in the people who stay. All fits, all content, all scenarios in EVE are an attempt to reduce the useless information being thrown at you in bucket loads.
"It may prove valuable if turned in at proper authorities" The description on every dog tag in EVE Online. One of millions of examples where information is provided that has no actionable value. It creates a question and there is seldom an answer.
People who haven't wasted years filtering the useless information in EVE burn out in a matter of weeks and do what common sense people do. Go find a video game that makes sense at a basic level. First of all: I disagree. I like the wealth of information. And sure, I'm relying on websites other players set up, and third party tools, to manage that information better. But that's always been a good thing in an MMO, imo. The community figuring out things and helping each other with the results. About those dog tags: It meant to me that there are people or NPCs out there who will buy those dog tags, either because they are the "proper authorities" or they know them, or the text is just there for the sake of some back story. At the time I wasn't interested in the "why" so I just sold them. If I later discovered I could use them for something myself, I'll just have to buy them from the market, right? Doesn't seem complicated to me. And now for the question I am interested in as well: Why doesn't EVE make sense at a basic level? I mean .. I undock in my ship, I shoot at NPCs or players or asteroids or I transport goods from A to B or run away from pirates while doing that, or I explore a bit, either doing exploration or literally just flying around and looking around. The difference to most games, as I see it, is that I have to find some sort of goal or project to pursue for myself, to not get bored. For some people that's good, for some not. I am actually one who has a hard time with it, but I am fascinated by the possibilities, so I'll try. For now my alliance is providing most of the content, but I don't plan of stopping there, but to find some personal projects as well. So really, I don't see how EVE doesn't make sense, so I want to ask this question, too.
It ate my post. Yep, it was a lengthy one |
Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
3763
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Posted - 2014.07.06 08:00:00 -
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Skydell wrote:They are alts, there are no new people coming to EVE. Just more Green Man Gamer specials bought up by people with more accounts than they can even remember.
You must have tinfoil as part of your diet or something. I'm still waiting for this citation that proves that there are no new people trying EVE. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
580
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Posted - 2014.07.06 08:07:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Skydell wrote:They are alts, there are no new people coming to EVE. Just more Green Man Gamer specials bought up by people with more accounts than they can even remember. You must have tinfoil as part of your diet or something. I'm still waiting for this citation that proves that there are no new people trying EVE.
Lead a horse to water, blah, blah, blah.
I have an account with a main who is dedicated to Center for Advanced Studies (CAS) and it can average 20 new pilots a month. Most are alts and are honest about it. The rest are people who tried EVE and left, then came back. No new people have entered that corporation, the entry level corporation in years. No people came from an Advert that had never tried EVE Online and just came on to the Advert and decided to give EVE a shot.
You can choose to believe me or not but experience is experience. I don't need to convince you. I have no duty to convince you. This entitlement you feel you have to dictate on a forum is amusing though. |
KayleInara
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.07.06 08:11:00 -
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Skydell wrote: Also, while Vets will say they are all new player friendly, the truth is, EVE is a paranoid game and while Vets will say they embrace new players, they all see them as alts and assume meta play at work. And of course, most of the time the lack of trust is well founded. They are alts, there are no new people coming to EVE. Just more Green Man Gamer specials bought up by people with more accounts than they can even remember.
I feel bad now, because I have no idea whose alt I am.
Also, I need to hurry and tell everyone in Theta to stop giving all those fake newbies free ships, isk, and advice. |
Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
3765
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Posted - 2014.07.06 08:12:00 -
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Skydell wrote:
Lead a horse to water, blah, blah, blah.
Stop throwing tantrums and start answering the damn questions.
Quote:I have an account with a main who is dedicated to Center for Advanced Studies (CAS)....
Yes, because that's the ONLY new player corp in the game and you're OBVIOUSLY meeting everyone that joins it, because everyone that joins OBVIOUSLY chats in the corp chat there and you just know everything. You's such a hero.
Sarcasm aside, your limited perception of the game and your limited population sample is proof of nothing. It's also just an anecdote that you could be making up. CITATION STILL NEEDED.
Quote:You can choose to believe me or not but experience is experience. I don't need to convince you. I have no duty to convince you. This entitlement you feel you have to dictate on a forum is amusing though.
Dictate what? What am I dictating? You're dictating to us that there are no new players to EVE, and basing your arguments on that premise alone. We could, if we wanted to, just proclaim your assertions as rubbish with no substantiation, but we're generously asking you to back them up instead. In other words, show us what we're not seeing. You obviously have a stake in being right or you wouldn't get so upset every time you're demonstrably wrong and called out on it.
Hey, in my experience, the Earth is flat. When I look out at sea, it CLEARLY has an edge to it.
See why personal experience is no substitute for data? Bring us data, otherwise you're just talking trash and throwing tantrums every time it gets pointed out.
Seriously, your whole argument to support the premise that no new people are coming to EVE amounts to, "it's true because I know it is!" If you don't feel any need to prove your assertions right then you should stop getting cranky when we tell you they're wrong. If you're so sure of yourself you have a very insecure way of showing it. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.06 08:18:00 -
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Skydell wrote:I don't need to convince you. I have no duty to convince you. Yes you do. Otherwise you are wrong by default. All you're saying here is that you have no proof for this claim either. Your anecdotal evidence proves nothing.
If you refuse to back up your claim, don't make the claim. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2014.07.06 08:20:00 -
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Once the teeth are in, they don't come out. Why would anyone want to join a game with blood thirsty pack animals who act the way this forum does?
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