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Noragli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.16 15:50:00 -
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I want to point out the kills made by the character loyalanon and his buddies, specifically many of the kills made in Aufay (0.5) on 14th june. You can find them on eve-kill.net
I am not linking direct to the killboard, but his group (mostly his corporation "The Conference Elite" and a few others, suicide ganked freighters, many of them empty or carrying nothing of value. They also targetted other ships of value where they could cause a large isk loss to the player, even if they were certain to get nothing out of it for themselves.
It used to be just the freighters carrying too high value cargo that were targetted, but now, even empty ships are targetted.
I personally don't care if changes are made to fix this or not. It doesn't affect me directly, I do not use frieghters or other high value ships. This is just an observation I made, a line was crossed when they started targetting empty ships just for the sake of it. Is it time for change? |
Karen Avioras
Unsung Heroes Spaceship Samurai
873
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Posted - 2014.06.16 15:51:00 -
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If they have fun ganking, let them. |
Paranoid Loyd
674
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Posted - 2014.06.16 15:52:00 -
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"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
2491
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Posted - 2014.06.16 15:53:00 -
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Noragli wrote: It used to be just the freighters carrying too high value cargo that were targetted, but now, even empty ships are targetted.
I personally don't care if changes are made to fix this or not. It doesn't affect me directly, I do not use frieghters or other high value ships. This is just an observation I made, a line was crossed when they started targetting empty ships just for the sake of it. Is it time for change?
Now its freighters who have not purchased permits and are in violation of The New Halaima Code of Conduct. There is a profit motive: the sale of permits. Sounds like some darn fine emergent game play to me. "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3340
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Posted - 2014.06.16 15:55:00 -
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"someone ganked some ships" doesn't logically lead to "ganking needs nerfing" |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1656
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Posted - 2014.06.16 15:56:00 -
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Sounds like somebody was in Aufray last night.. and didn't have fun party sexy time. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Noragli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:01:00 -
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Many of those ganked and pod killed were in empty freighters, or shuttles, or pretty much any ship is targetted just for the sake of getting a kill and hoping to kill a pod full of implants.
I wonder how many cancel their subscription. |
Pepper Solette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
397
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:02:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Sounds like somebody was in Aufray last night.. and didn't have fun party sexy time.
Any time is sexy time if you try hard enough......................and have enough lubricant. -áMiko Sunji:-á "There is no better way to find out if you can swim, than swimming for your life."
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1656
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:03:00 -
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Noragli wrote:Many of those ganked and pod killed were in empty freighters, or shuttles, or pretty much any ship is targetted just for the sake of getting a kill and hoping to kill a pod full of implants. Tell that to the goon in the Rhea. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3340
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:04:00 -
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Noragli wrote:Many of those ganked and pod killed were in empty freighters, or shuttles, or pretty much any ship is targetted just for the sake of getting a kill and hoping to kill a pod full of implants. so? |
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Christina Project
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:07:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Sounds like somebody was in Aufray last night.. and didn't have fun party sexy time. How would you know where it happened?
Most suicide gankers are just chestbeating carebears hiding inside the station until they undock in a group, strike and vanish again.
Make CCP nerf the cowards and the game will change.
Until then you have to live with these cowards. |
Serene Repose
1377
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:08:00 -
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A game within a game. Worship me. I am the Freighter Goddess. Anyone claiming sovereignty over the souls of astro-truckers is a charlatan and a knave. (Some commoner called James seems to have grown too big for his broom closet.)
Send me everything all at once TWICE and I'll ensure you're never again bothered as you keep it between the ditches, slammin' those gears down the highway of life.
Just to show yah how much I love yah:
Girl On The Billboard
Six Days On The Road
Drivin' My Life Away
Lookin' At The World Through A Windshield
What's the big surprise? Oh...right. Catch you on the flip flop. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:09:00 -
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if people want to whine and the result is a nerf to ganker's playstyle.... you think they won't take that personally and torch every freighter they see?
really?
actions have consequences. |
Christina Project
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:12:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:if people want to whine and the result is a nerf to ganker's playstyle.... you think they won't take that personally and torch every freighter they see?
really?
actions have consequences. What playstyle?
Most don't play but hide in station all day.
Even afk miners play more than they do, because they're at least in space all day. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1657
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:14:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Sounds like somebody was in Aufray last night.. and didn't have fun party sexy time. How would you know where it happened? OP has edited her post to confirm what I suspected. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Noragli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:15:00 -
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When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players.
It's obvious to anyone who looks at it with a clear mind. If players are not enjoying the game, they quit.
You have this certain group of players who spend all their days in empire space just destroying other players because it's the only thing that gives them pleasure in the game any more. This "style" of playing the game no doubt costs EVE many subscriptions.
It shouldn't be possible to board a ship in a system where your security status is below the acceptable limit for that system. -10? You can't board a ship in high security space, or you can but concord will be on you instantly, same as when you enter space in a ship after committing a concord sanctionable offense. Simple and obvious fix to a serious problem.
Then just keep an eye on the price of the security status repair npc drops, if it's still too cheap to get back to 0.0 security status then reduce drop rate.
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3340
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:17:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Sounds like somebody was in Aufray last night.. and didn't have fun party sexy time. How would you know where it happened? Most suicide gankers are just chestbeating carebears hiding inside the station until they undock in a group, strike and vanish again. that's due to -10 sec and the 15-minute criminal timer. duh. |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
920
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:18:00 -
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Noragli wrote:When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players. Blowing up a player's spaceship in a game about blowing up spaceships isn't griefing.
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3340
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:20:00 -
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Noragli wrote:When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players. like the carebears who refuse to protect themselves continually demanding that other players' playstyles are nerfed?
Quote:Simple and obvious fix to a serious problem. what problem? you haven't established the existence of any 'problem'. |
Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
188
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:20:00 -
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I did some checking to see to if I could find something that would stick out. I found 2 interesting facts:
- Ganking is now done by people from CODE itself rather than the crybaby groupies. - Only a very low number of jumpfreighters use reinforced bulkheads instead of cargoexpanders, inertia stablizers or even worse: empty lows.
All these freighters are ganked by a combination of Talosses and catalysts.
I believe CODE is testing and perfecting tactics to gank (jump)freighters after the new release. |
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Noragli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:21:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Noragli wrote:When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players. Blowing up a player's spaceship in a game about blowing up spaceships isn't griefing.
EVE isn't only about blowing up player spaceships. If CCP ever forgets that, subs will plummit. |
LSPI19
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:21:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:if people want to whine and the result is a nerf to ganker's playstyle.... you think they won't take that personally and torch every freighter they see?
really?
actions have consequences.
'emergent' gameplay is why CCP has lost subs over the last year.
You are right. Actions do have consequences. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1657
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:23:00 -
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Noragli, honestly there were no lack of warnings in Dodixie Local about the cluster on Dodix-Aufray path. Despite these warnings, there was no lack of freighter pilots rushing into that gate.
The Rhea kill (congrats Ovaert!).. why a jump freighter is using gates (a known, heavily camped gate, even) is beyond me.
I'm trying to understand if you have a leg to stand on. Please help me. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
2025
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:26:00 -
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Noragli wrote:Rhes wrote:Noragli wrote:When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players. Blowing up a player's spaceship in a game about blowing up spaceships isn't griefing. EVE isn't only about blowing up player spaceships. If CCP ever forgets that, subs will plummit. It's about making them too. "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |
Noragli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:26:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Noragli wrote:When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players. like the carebears who refuse to protect themselves continually demanding that other players' playstyles are nerfed? Quote:Simple and obvious fix to a serious problem. what problem? you haven't established the existence of any 'problem'.
The problem is that -10 characters or other low sec status characters can operate ships and attack people in high security space.
When a character who has aggressed concord undocks or boards a ship, his ship is barred from warping. If concord can do that, then there is no reason the same can't be applied to an outlaw who undocks or boards a ship in high security space. He should be barred from warping or activating weapons.
Ganking will still be possible, but it won't be so ridiculously easy as it is now. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3870
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:27:00 -
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Flying along a trade route without backup is always a risk. Had my heart pumping when I flew my alt through Aufay with 750mil in the hold. Good thing the tank of the new DSTs isn't easily estimated, makes a gank attempt riskier, thus less likely. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Christina Project
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:27:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Christina Project wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Sounds like somebody was in Aufray last night.. and didn't have fun party sexy time. How would you know where it happened? Most suicide gankers are just chestbeating carebears hiding inside the station until they undock in a group, strike and vanish again. that's due to -10 sec and the 15-minute criminal timer. duh. Nope.
-10 does not prevent anybody from bouncing around visibly on grids.
Which would change the public perception people have by a huge margin! Forcing gankers to be in space and actually having to do some work, would make people actually fight them and go after them.
I can tell. This works. But when people hide in station all day and are only around for half a minute, then there's nothing that can be done to fight them.
The fact that these people hide in station all day, means that that's the only or best choice they think they have, because everything else would be too hard or too dangerous.
Just look at it ... these people have less gameplay than afk miners.
The GCC does not work as excuse to hide the pod in station either, but at least it makes sense, because there's not much else to do anyway.
Except maybe bouncing around the grid for 15min to show off how blinky you are.
Get your facts straight. GCC is one thing, but being -10 is a completely different one and does not prevent anybody from being outside in a ganking ship ... ever.
It's just too hard for these chestbeating carebears to actually play the game.
I can't stress this enough: AFK Miners have more gamplay than them, because these are at least in space all day. |
Christina Project
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:29:00 -
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Noragli wrote:The problem is that -10 characters or other low sec status characters can operate ships and attack people in high security space. Nope.
The problem is that these people hide in station so much that people rightfully have the feeling that they can't do anything about it ... because they can't.
These cowards hide, have neutral alts finding targets, undock, strike, dock up again.
The whole ganking process doesn't take even a minute.
The issue is NOT that they can do what they do, the issue is that they do it in the poorest possible way, negatively affecting the whole profession.
What CCP needs to remove is that people can play this way, because they shouldn't. Being outlaw in highsec should be dangerous.
Well ... it is ... but not for the easy-mode carebear gankers. |
BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
315
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:30:00 -
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Noragli wrote:Many of those ganked and pod killed were in empty freighters, or shuttles, or pretty much any ship is targetted just for the sake of getting a kill and hoping to kill a pod full of implants.
I wonder how many cancel their subscription.
Maybe if they were sitting at their keyboards instead of auto piloting, they would have said freighters and pods.
Mine smart. Mine safe. Purchase your mining permit today...... www.minerbumping.com |
Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
33
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:31:00 -
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Noragli wrote:Rhes wrote:Noragli wrote:When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players. Blowing up a player's spaceship in a game about blowing up spaceships isn't griefing. EVE isn't only about blowing up player spaceships. If CCP ever forgets that, subs will plummit.
yeah now eve is about that and blowing up outpost. so its not only spaceships any longer, its going to include outpost and star gates.. eve is about a time and money sink.
having assets is against the law! |
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